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2008-11-30 02:46:05 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: mikaloyd: Occam's Chainsaw: Who responds to being cornered by capitulating?

Most armies and individuals do.

Yeah, like at Thermopylae, or Masada. Like the guys with plastique vests, or kamikaze pilots, or any number of people throughout history who have fought on beyond any point of reason when their backs were to the wall. Hell, just corner a badger and you'll see how nature encourages rolling over and taking it.


This tendency you speak of for foes redouble their efforts and win the day rather than capitulating when badly cornered must be why pincer movements and pushing an opposing army toward the sea are shunned by knowlegable military strategists.
 
2008-11-30 02:46:40 AM  
The most unsettling thing about this article is that fact an American news outlet used the word rapprochement.

I think we all can all agree on that.
 
2008-11-30 02:47:01 AM  
Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Lunchlady:

Why in a few weeks? I am as liberal as they come and I don't blame the idiot.

perhaps you are saner than some of your brethren :). I'm just saying time will tell who gets blamed and the west/Bush is a typical target. I'm happy to be proven too pessimistic.

I am not saner :) Bush gets blamed for a lot of things. Hell, he is responsible for a lot of things. Fark is amazingly devoid of stories about his destruction of the Earth with his last minute executive orders. He should be ripped up and down for them. Mumbai? Eh, not so much.


More calls of blame of the West, not mainstream though, just Islamic nutcases. Not sure if they are here or elsewhere

"Cohen claims the attacks are the result of American policies."
Link (new window)
 
2008-11-30 02:47:59 AM  
eraser8: CanisNoir: It was a defense mechanism and had nothing to do with the frothing retardation that occurred near the end of the election.

The election is over. What's your excuse now?


While his most recent posts haven't been spectacular evidence of logic, I took him off after replying to Istywynch and before you started your screed. Once you're on ignore I tend to forget about you.

It's how Occam was taken off; someone quoted him and I remembered I had him on ignore so I took him off.

Could it be whining is relative here on the internet where there's no tone of voice to judge by? I don't recall ever whining about anything - being sarcastic sure - troll like upon occasion, durring the election almost certainly; a whiner or someone who avoids uncomfortable questions and situations - not in the least, as most Iraq and God threads will show you.
 
2008-11-30 02:47:59 AM  
www.users.on.net

Ah, Pakistan... America's Partner In Peace.

Like Saudi Arabia.
 
2008-11-30 02:50:22 AM  
Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Lunchlady:

Why in a few weeks? I am as liberal as they come and I don't blame the idiot.

perhaps you are saner than some of your brethren :). I'm just saying time will tell who gets blamed and the west/Bush is a typical target. I'm happy to be proven too pessimistic.

I am not saner :) Bush gets blamed for a lot of things. Hell, he is responsible for a lot of things. Fark is amazingly devoid of stories about his destruction of the Earth with his last minute executive orders. He should be ripped up and down for them. Mumbai? Eh, not so much.

More calls of blame of the West, not mainstream though, just Islamic nutcases. Not sure if they are here or elsewhere

"Cohen claims the attacks are the result of American policies."
Link (new window)


And still no sane people blaming Bush. If Obama were president we would be inundated by the Rush and Savage yelling about how this was his fault.
 
2008-11-30 02:51:48 AM  
eraser8: CanisNoir: /has him on Ignore

I LOVE it! Just reinforces my belief that CanisNoir is an inveterate whiner and coward.


/has no one on ignore :-)
//having pie and coffee watching the sparks fly
 
2008-11-30 02:52:34 AM  
things I do to my cats...: eraser8: CanisNoir: /has him on Ignore

I LOVE it! Just reinforces my belief that CanisNoir is an inveterate whiner and coward.

/has no one on ignore :-)
//having pie and coffee watching the sparks fly


Oh, come on. I DO have one on ignore. Who can avoid putting NYZooMan on ignore?
 
2008-11-30 02:54:49 AM  
Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Lunchlady:

Why in a few weeks? I am as liberal as they come and I don't blame the idiot.

perhaps you are saner than some of your brethren :). I'm just saying time will tell who gets blamed and the west/Bush is a typical target. I'm happy to be proven too pessimistic.

I am not saner :) Bush gets blamed for a lot of things. Hell, he is responsible for a lot of things. Fark is amazingly devoid of stories about his destruction of the Earth with his last minute executive orders. He should be ripped up and down for them. Mumbai? Eh, not so much.

More calls of blame of the West, not mainstream though, just Islamic nutcases. Not sure if they are here or elsewhere

"Cohen claims the attacks are the result of American policies."
Link (new window)


I hope it comes out that the terrorists managed to kill a Muslim or two in their attacks. It's entirely possible given the region and means so much more if this was a face to face hostage situation.

It's also alarming that people are already assuming that this was carried out by Muslim extremists when we don't know for sure who it was, it's "thought" to be a terrorist org located in Pakistan. It looks likely sure, but I think even the most apologetic among us are getting pretty tired of justifying this stuff.
 
2008-11-30 02:55:25 AM  
eraser8: Also, someone here should make me a sammich.

That would be you. Shiats in the fridge. Get busy.
 
2008-11-30 02:55:58 AM  
Lunchlady: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Lunchlady:

Why in a few weeks? I am as liberal as they come and I don't blame the idiot.

perhaps you are saner than some of your brethren :). I'm just saying time will tell who gets blamed and the west/Bush is a typical target. I'm happy to be proven too pessimistic.

I am not saner :) Bush gets blamed for a lot of things. Hell, he is responsible for a lot of things. Fark is amazingly devoid of stories about his destruction of the Earth with his last minute executive orders. He should be ripped up and down for them. Mumbai? Eh, not so much.

More calls of blame of the West, not mainstream though, just Islamic nutcases. Not sure if they are here or elsewhere

"Cohen claims the attacks are the result of American policies."
Link (new window)

I hope it comes out that the terrorists managed to kill a Muslim or two in their attacks. It's entirely possible given the region and means so much more if this was a face to face hostage situation.

It's also alarming that people are already assuming that this was carried out by Muslim extremists when we don't know for sure who it was, it's "thought" to be a terrorist org located in Pakistan. It looks likely sure, but I think even the most apologetic among us are getting pretty tired of justifying this stuff.


I hope Muslims died is not a normal thing to say.
 
2008-11-30 02:56:38 AM  
fanbladesaresharp: eraser8: Also, someone here should make me a sammich.

That would be you. Shiats in the fridge. Get busy.


eraser is a chic?
 
2008-11-30 02:58:28 AM  
Sabyen91: TheChemist: Doublek111: SuperCatBarf: Doublek111: SuperCatBarf:

"All phone calls made by them were tapped. They were being instructed from outside regarding their movement inside the hotel - whether to go upstairs or come down or make a move left or right," he said. "

That is really weird. If they had a tap going, why wasn't this nipped in the bud? The newspaper used quotes around "proof"- I s why.

Reading that made me scratch my head as well.


1 Incredible levels of confusion during the attack
2 Policemen too afraid, etc to act on what they say, nevermind heard on the radio:
"There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back." (source: mumbai mirror)
3 my point about it being moot is that the authorities are now claiming it, whether or not fully true.
4 complete ill-preparedness on part of India, which doesn't have sufficient police or security forces.
 
2008-11-30 03:00:42 AM  
Doublek111: Sabyen91: TheChemist: Doublek111: SuperCatBarf: Doublek111: SuperCatBarf:

"All phone calls made by them were tapped. They were being instructed from outside regarding their movement inside the hotel - whether to go upstairs or come down or make a move left or right," he said. "

That is really weird. If they had a tap going, why wasn't this nipped in the bud? The newspaper used quotes around "proof"- I s why.

Reading that made me scratch my head as well.

1 Incredible levels of confusion during the attack
2 Policemen too afraid, etc to act on what they say, nevermind heard on the radio:
"There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back." (source: mumbai mirror)
3 my point about it being moot is that the authorities are now claiming it, whether or not fully true.
4 complete ill-preparedness on part of India, which doesn't have sufficient police or security forces.


I was talking about what they had said. The Pakistani stuff. I am not a fan of Pakistan but that stuff sounded awfully full of shiat.
 
2008-11-30 03:00:45 AM  
Sabyen91: Lunchlady: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Lunchlady:

Why in a few weeks? I am as liberal as they come and I don't blame the idiot.

perhaps you are saner than some of your brethren :). I'm just saying time will tell who gets blamed and the west/Bush is a typical target. I'm happy to be proven too pessimistic.

I am not saner :) Bush gets blamed for a lot of things. Hell, he is responsible for a lot of things. Fark is amazingly devoid of stories about his destruction of the Earth with his last minute executive orders. He should be ripped up and down for them. Mumbai? Eh, not so much.

More calls of blame of the West, not mainstream though, just Islamic nutcases. Not sure if they are here or elsewhere

"Cohen claims the attacks are the result of American policies."
Link (new window)

I hope it comes out that the terrorists managed to kill a Muslim or two in their attacks. It's entirely possible given the region and means so much more if this was a face to face hostage situation.

It's also alarming that people are already assuming that this was carried out by Muslim extremists when we don't know for sure who it was, it's "thought" to be a terrorist org located in Pakistan. It looks likely sure, but I think even the most apologetic among us are getting pretty tired of justifying this stuff.

I hope Muslims died is not a normal thing to say.


Come on, you know what I meant. That wasn't some xenophobic, "Nuke it to glass!" bullshiat, it was in regards to making people in this country and elsewhere who would justify this type of thing that these people are not "Muslim" terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists no matter what their religion, that was my only point.
 
2008-11-30 03:01:04 AM  
CanisNoir: Could it be whining is relative here on the internet where there's no tone of voice to judge by? I don't recall ever whining about anything

Whining is relative everywhere. Nobody thinks that they personally whine. If you have never whined you would probably be the first human with a means to communicate to accomplish this feat. Im not saying you are a liar or anything, Im just saying that there is a better chance that you are mistaken than there is that you have achieved the perfect record of never whining.
 
2008-11-30 03:01:35 AM  
Lunchlady: Sabyen91: Lunchlady: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Doublek111: Sabyen91: Lunchlady:

Why in a few weeks? I am as liberal as they come and I don't blame the idiot.

perhaps you are saner than some of your brethren :). I'm just saying time will tell who gets blamed and the west/Bush is a typical target. I'm happy to be proven too pessimistic.

I am not saner :) Bush gets blamed for a lot of things. Hell, he is responsible for a lot of things. Fark is amazingly devoid of stories about his destruction of the Earth with his last minute executive orders. He should be ripped up and down for them. Mumbai? Eh, not so much.

More calls of blame of the West, not mainstream though, just Islamic nutcases. Not sure if they are here or elsewhere

"Cohen claims the attacks are the result of American policies."
Link (new window)

I hope it comes out that the terrorists managed to kill a Muslim or two in their attacks. It's entirely possible given the region and means so much more if this was a face to face hostage situation.

It's also alarming that people are already assuming that this was carried out by Muslim extremists when we don't know for sure who it was, it's "thought" to be a terrorist org located in Pakistan. It looks likely sure, but I think even the most apologetic among us are getting pretty tired of justifying this stuff.

I hope Muslims died is not a normal thing to say.

Come on, you know what I meant. That wasn't some xenophobic, "Nuke it to glass!" bullshiat, it was in regards to making people in this country and elsewhere who would justify this type of thing that these people are not "Muslim" terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists no matter what their religion, that was my only point.


I know. I was just being mischievous. I apologize.
 
2008-11-30 03:02:33 AM  
CanisNoir: and before you started your screed.

I don't think screed is the word you want to use. I rarely write the kinds of long-winded posts that would qualify.

I suspect you're using the term screed to mean a statement that is irrationally agitated or unfounded. And that's another good defense mechanism: characterize any argument, question or opinion that challenges your ingrained point of view as somehow being unhinged. That way, you don't have to actually examine and defend what you believe; you don't have to answer that most difficult question of WHY. It saves you from actually having to think.

In other words, you didn't like the fact that I forthrightly and unapologetically challenged your opinions. You were unable to offer a rational defense for what you claimed to believe. So you ignored me to preserve your prejudices. Again, this is not rocket science.

I don't recall ever whining about anything

Really? Seriously?

When you complain that people don't give certain hare-brained ideas any more deference than the garden variety hare-brained idea, that's whining. It's especially indicative of whining when you fail to provide any good argument for WHY your hare-brained ideas should be preferred over others. Your posts from last night had that in spades.
 
2008-11-30 03:03:42 AM  
more:

The failure of security on the ground was tragically evident in the three days it took for Indian security forces to reclaim authority over their own streets. With nary a word of authority or assurance from the Indian government in the critical first day of the attacks, terrorists were able to project to the world searing images of an international city under siege -- in some ways, the terrorists' most potent weapon. India is woefully underprotected from even the most rudimentary attack.

Indians have only 126 policemen for every 100,000 nationals (about half the United Nations average), the thousands of miles of Indian coastline on the Indian Ocean are guarded by mere hundreds of security forces (local authorities have pleaded for an infusion of many thousands), and the Indian navy has no large-scale presence in patrolling the country's coastlines. Indeed, initial reports suggest that the terrorists entered India by sea, at one point using inflatable rubber rafts to casually float through the historic Gateway of India, undetected and undeterred by any security forces. India must enhance its military and police presence throughout the country, but especially along its borders.
The war on terror is first and foremost a war of intelligence-gathering. With a plot as methodical as the one executed in Mumbai, Indian intelligence should have intercepted terrorists' communications and operations. No such thing happened, in part perhaps because India, famously bureaucratic, has no legal or intelligence framework with which to deal with the terror network.

There is no national agency to address the terror threat; competing smaller jurisdictions do the best they can with local information. There is no central database via which Indian authorities may share information with each other and allied nations. And there is no national law that gives police and prosecutors the basic tools to use innovative techniques (including national wiretap authority and investigative detention) to root out terrorist plots. (powerline)
 
2008-11-30 03:03:52 AM  
Sabyen91: eraser is a chic?

If I am, I'm an epic lesbian. With a penis.
 
2008-11-30 03:05:07 AM  
eraser8: CanisNoir: and before you started your screed.

I don't think screed is the word you want to use. I rarely write the kinds of long-winded posts that would qualify.

I suspect you're using the term screed to mean a statement that is irrationally agitated or unfounded. And that's another good defense mechanism: characterize any argument, question or opinion that challenges your ingrained point of view as somehow being unhinged. That way, you don't have to actually examine and defend what you believe; you don't have to answer that most difficult question of WHY. It saves you from actually having to think.

In other words, you didn't like the fact that I forthrightly and unapologetically challenged your opinions. You were unable to offer a rational defense for what you claimed to believe. So you ignored me to preserve your prejudices. Again, this is not rocket science.

I don't recall ever whining about anything

Really? Seriously?

When you complain that people don't give certain hare-brained ideas any more deference than the garden variety hare-brained idea, that's whining. It's especially indicative of whining when you fail to provide any good argument for WHY your hare-brained ideas should be preferred over others. Your posts from last night had that in spades.


Stop your screeding!
 
2008-11-30 03:05:21 AM  
let's see if i can chime in here... and all sort of rough draftish-like (please someone else add some filler where needed - these may not all be complete thoughts):

fact: some bad shiat happened im Mumbai. some very WELL TRAINED and LONG RANGE PLANNED bad shiat. all obvious and immediate evidence seems to point to some Paki involvement. they capture one guy out of X, who almost certainly was planning on dying in the fight, who starts singing it was via Pakistan or had Paki connections.

fact: India and Pakistan have been pissed at each other to varying degrees sice there was an India and Pakistan (and for thousands of years before ethnically) and have been making progress towards playing nice lately. (insert more stuff here re: Kashmir, etc, etc, etc).

fact: Al-Quida and Co. et alia have been strutting around in the outskirts of Pakistan going for picnics in Afghanistan. Recently elected Obama has been saying he's gonna play new-sheriff-in-town with recently newly elected Paki officials as we as laser focusing on that generally unstable Pakistan. etc etc etc.

fact: the recent attacks in India DO NOT LOOK like Al-Quida's standard mode of operation i.e. not "suicide bombers" per se and with the taking of hostages etc etc etc.

anyone else smell Al-Quida?
 
2008-11-30 03:05:56 AM  
eraser8: Sabyen91: eraser is a chic?

If I am, I'm an epic lesbian. With a penis.


Hmm, that is kind of a turn off. Do you still wear lipstick? :)
 
2008-11-30 03:07:13 AM  
TheChemist: FTA: "RR Patil, the deputy chief minister of Mumbai's state government, said there was "proof" that the terrorists were on the phone to someone in Pakistan during the attack.

CNN IBN Live streaming video: Patil has submitted his resignation and it has been accepted.
 
2008-11-30 03:07:15 AM  
things I do to my cats...: let's see if i can chime in here... and all sort of rough draftish-like (please someone else add some filler where needed - these may not all be complete thoughts):

fact: some bad shiat happened im Mumbai. some very WELL TRAINED and LONG RANGE PLANNED bad shiat. all obvious and immediate evidence seems to point to some Paki involvement. they capture one guy out of X, who almost certainly was planning on dying in the fight, who starts singing it was via Pakistan or had Paki connections.

fact: India and Pakistan have been pissed at each other to varying degrees sice there was an India and Pakistan (and for thousands of years before ethnically) and have been making progress towards playing nice lately. (insert more stuff here re: Kashmir, etc, etc, etc).

fact: Al-Quida and Co. et alia have been strutting around in the outskirts of Pakistan going for picnics in Afghanistan. Recently elected Obama has been saying he's gonna play new-sheriff-in-town with recently newly elected Paki officials as we as laser focusing on that generally unstable Pakistan. etc etc etc.

fact: the recent attacks in India DO NOT LOOK like Al-Quida's standard mode of operation i.e. not "suicide bombers" per se and with the taking of hostages etc etc etc.

anyone else smell Al-Quida?


Those "facts" are pretty early. I would wait a couple of weeks to post this as fact.
 
2008-11-30 03:07:48 AM  
Sabyen91: things I do to my cats:
/has no one on ignore :-)
//having pie and coffee watching the sparks fly

Oh, come on. I DO have one on ignore. Who can avoid putting NYZooMan on ignore?


seriously. no one. just use the manual ignore feature. ;)

/would have him/her there is used it all all, but no :-)
 
2008-11-30 03:08:06 AM  
Eleanor Abernathy: TheChemist: FTA: "RR Patil, the deputy chief minister of Mumbai's state government, said there was "proof" that the terrorists were on the phone to someone in Pakistan during the attack.

CNN IBN Live streaming video: Patil has submitted his resignation and it has been accepted.


THAT is interesting.
 
2008-11-30 03:08:53 AM  
eraser8: Sabyen91: eraser is a chic?

If I am, I'm an epic lesbian. With a penis.


lesbian with a penis?

is this you?
www.thestudiotour.com



/lame craig ferguson reference but I couldn't resist.
 
2008-11-30 03:08:59 AM  
things I do to my cats...: Sabyen91: things I do to my cats:
/has no one on ignore :-)
//having pie and coffee watching the sparks fly

Oh, come on. I DO have one on ignore. Who can avoid putting NYZooMan on ignore?

seriously. no one. just use the manual ignore feature. ;)

/would have him/her there is used it all all, but no :-)


You have my admiration.
 
2008-11-30 03:09:24 AM  
Sabyen91: Stop your screeding!

You know, that post might actually be considered a screed. D'oh!

Hmm, that is kind of a turn off. Do you still wear lipstick?

No. But I do shave my face daily. Honestly, I'd were lipstick if it would get me more girls.
 
2008-11-30 03:10:47 AM  
eraser8: Honestly, I'd were lipstick if it would get me more girls.

CORRECTION: I'd wear lipstick.

Good Jebus, that was a stupid mistake.
 
2008-11-30 03:10:54 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: Cubist Robot Party: After seeing how painfully incompetent the Indian security forces are at handling a few dozen (well equipped and planned, admittedly), I have to ask...

Does this say, loud and clear, to Pakistan, that they could easily invade without so much as brushing aside the Indian army?

The US has been supplying Pakistan with some pretty heavy machinery to "fight terrorism" over the past few years.

Not so much. Regular army -vs- targets with no civilian investiture, it'd be a fair fight. Random armed insurgents amidst an international civilian populace being used as a shield? Not so much. nuclear_asshat had it nailed, they need to work on their counter-terror efficacy.

YixilTesiphon: nuclear_asshat: As for Pakistan? If they don't get control of the tribal areas, they risk a coup. I think we need an open letter to Pakistan. It should clearly state that we support them 100%, but if they let radicals get control of nuclear weapons, our subs will turn Pakistan into a country that will next be visited by archaeologists when the radiation levels get to normal.

Or Pakistan could just admit that that clusterfark isn't part of Pakistan, and grant the nutbar tribes independence.

Ever notice that the hotbeds of strife this last decade or two seem to be primarily places where colonial powers arbitrarily drew some lines and said, "This is all part of country X,"?


India and Pakistan were originally one country after the British relinquished control. They couldn't get along, so they divided into a (mostly) Muslim country (Pakistan) and mostly Hindu country (India). The muslims have been farking it up ever since (with the occasional help from from Hindu extremists).
 
2008-11-30 03:11:26 AM  
nuclear_asshat: Undiluted: Remember the whole Test-The-President rhetoric? Thank God we don't have another Republican president to look tough, then puss out on terrorism when it's actually time to catch Bin Laden, or in this case, tell us Iran is priority #1 when all signs point to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Read "Ghost Wars" and you can see how Clinton was completely duped bu Benazir Bhutto. The ISI was aiding the Taliban in massive ways and the CIA and several other agencies (including India) and Clinton was completely fooled. I think he thought a woman couldn't get the best of him.

Before long, the ISI was completely out of her control and the Taliban was completely out of the ISI's control. Like the Saudi's, Pakistan spent far too much time raising a snake in the yard and hoping it would feed on others.

While I see the appeal of giving the Pashtuns their own land, they'd just push into Pakistan or Afghanistan anyways. Theirs is not an ideology that likes to stay in one place and be a good neighbor.


Clinton was duped over and over again. In addition to what you stated above, he let Obama..I mean Osama go when the Yemenis offered him up on a platter. I could go on about Clitton but what's the focking point on The Daily Fark.

/Clitton's 3rd term: Coming soon to a USA near you!
//January 2009
///Clitton!!!
 
2008-11-30 03:11:43 AM  
fanbladesaresharp: eraser8: Also, someone here should make me a sammich.

That would be you. Shiats in the fridge. Get busy.


you can have a slice of the pumpkin pie and cup of coffee i just whipped up.

(amazing what a little nagging hankering for a particular taste can do; i was sick all this week so participated in no TG or other eating rituals. friend kept saying "pie" on the phone a little while ago, and it got the better of me. marched into the kitchen, found a simple recipe, whipped up a small pie. pretty good too. ;) )
 
2008-11-30 03:12:02 AM  
Sabyen91: Eleanor Abernathy: TheChemist: FTA: "RR Patil, the deputy chief minister of Mumbai's state government, said there was "proof" that the terrorists were on the phone to someone in Pakistan during the attack.

CNN IBN Live streaming video: Patil has submitted his resignation and it has been accepted.

THAT is interesting.


Question is how important is he? It is a total mess over there politically.

/deputy chief minister of my office cubicle.
 
2008-11-30 03:13:03 AM  
things I do to my cats...: let's see if i can chime in here... and all sort of rough draftish-like (please someone else add some filler where needed - these may not all be complete thoughts):

fact: some bad shiat happened im Mumbai. some very WELL TRAINED and LONG RANGE PLANNED bad shiat. all obvious and immediate evidence seems to point to some Paki involvement. they capture one guy out of X, who almost certainly was planning on dying in the fight, who starts singing it was via Pakistan or had Paki connections.

fact: India and Pakistan have been pissed at each other to varying degrees sice there was an India and Pakistan (and for thousands of years before ethnically) and have been making progress towards playing nice lately. (insert more stuff here re: Kashmir, etc, etc, etc).

fact: Al-Quida and Co. et alia have been strutting around in the outskirts of Pakistan going for picnics in Afghanistan. Recently elected Obama has been saying he's gonna play new-sheriff-in-town with recently newly elected Paki officials as we as laser focusing on that generally unstable Pakistan. etc etc etc.

fact: the recent attacks in India DO NOT LOOK like Al-Quida's standard mode of operation i.e. not "suicide bombers" per se and with the taking of hostages etc etc etc.

anyone else smell Al-Quida?


No. Too old fashioned. When they were fighting the Soviets, there were Afghan militant groups that did not believe in suicide bombings- but suicide attacks. They would go in no expecting to come out alive- but believed yanking a ripcord and blowing themselves up counted as taboo suicide. This was never how Al-Qaeda operated, and I see no reason for them to change tactics. Strategy yes, but their tactics have been very successful so far. They're not going to play with them.

My guess is it's yet another Kashmiri group. There's really no way to tell though because of all the goddamn rumor-mongering flying around.
 
2008-11-30 03:13:30 AM  
WombatControl: The UN resolution ending the war said that Iraq had to do certain things or the cease-fire would end.

No, it didn't.

Iraq never complied, so we started the no-fly zones, etc.

The No-fly Zones were not authorized by any UN resolution, and were deemed illegal by the Secretary General.

UN Resolution 1441 was VERY carefully worded so that if Iraq was in "material breach" then the cease-fire would technically end.

No, 1441 is carefully worded to exclude any automatic authorization of force. Otherwise it would never have been unanimously accepted by all 15 members of the Council.

According to article 18, if Iraq didn't comply with res. 1441, it would go back to the Security Council. Use of force would require another resolution.This was made clear by several representatives at the Security Council meeting, including the American and British ambassadors.
Not to mention that Hussein was in the process of complying - the weapons inspectors were promptly let back in, and the required documentation was handed over less than a month after the resolution.

Iraq was, even to Hans Blix, in material breach. But Tony Blair wanted a second resolution explicitly saying so before taking military action.

Resolution 1441 required it. At least if you wanted your war to be UN authorized.
 
2008-11-30 03:17:19 AM  
eraser8: Sabyen91: Stop your screeding!

You know, that post might actually be considered a screed. D'oh!

Hmm, that is kind of a turn off. Do you still wear lipstick?

No. But I do shave my face daily. Honestly, I'd were lipstick if it would get me more girls.


I think you would have to play the guiter very emo-ly as well.
 
2008-11-30 03:17:57 AM  
Sabyen91: eraser8: Sabyen91: Stop your screeding!

You know, that post might actually be considered a screed. D'oh!

Hmm, that is kind of a turn off. Do you still wear lipstick?

No. But I do shave my face daily. Honestly, I'd were lipstick if it would get me more girls.

I think you would have to play the guiter very emo-ly as well.


The guitar, too.
 
2008-11-30 03:19:09 AM  
OgreMagi: Occam's Chainsaw: Cubist Robot Party: After seeing how painfully incompetent the Indian security forces are at handling a few dozen (well equipped and planned, admittedly), I have to ask...

Does this say, loud and clear, to Pakistan, that they could easily invade without so much as brushing aside the Indian army?

The US has been supplying Pakistan with some pretty heavy machinery to "fight terrorism" over the past few years.

Not so much. Regular army -vs- targets with no civilian investiture, it'd be a fair fight. Random armed insurgents amidst an international civilian populace being used as a shield? Not so much. nuclear_asshat had it nailed, they need to work on their counter-terror efficacy.

YixilTesiphon: nuclear_asshat: As for Pakistan? If they don't get control of the tribal areas, they risk a coup. I think we need an open letter to Pakistan. It should clearly state that we support them 100%, but if they let radicals get control of nuclear weapons, our subs will turn Pakistan into a country that will next be visited by archaeologists when the radiation levels get to normal.

Or Pakistan could just admit that that clusterfark isn't part of Pakistan, and grant the nutbar tribes independence.

Ever notice that the hotbeds of strife this last decade or two seem to be primarily places where colonial powers arbitrarily drew some lines and said, "This is all part of country X,"?

India and Pakistan were originally one country after the British relinquished control. They couldn't get along, so they divided into a (mostly) Muslim country (Pakistan) and mostly Hindu country (India). The muslims have been farking it up ever since (with the occasional help from from Hindu extremists).


Do you see the problem with this sentence?
 
2008-11-30 03:19:43 AM  
AND from CNN IBN:

"Only Patil resignation not enough"
"CM Deshmukh may be asked to quit"
"Pressure on NSA MK Narayanan to quit"
"India mulls suspending ceasefire with Pak"
"India mulls suspending peace process"
"India troop build-up ordered on Pak border"

Whoa. Interesting times.
 
2008-11-30 03:20:55 AM  
Doublek111: Sabyen91: Eleanor Abernathy: TheChemist: FTA: "RR Patil, the deputy chief minister of Mumbai's state government, said there was "proof" that the terrorists were on the phone to someone in Pakistan during the attack.

CNN IBN Live streaming video: Patil has submitted his resignation and it has been accepted.

THAT is interesting.

Question is how important is he? It is a total mess over there politically.

/deputy chief minister of my office cubicle.


I am wondering if his comments had something to do with his resignation. I have no clue what happened so far. I wouldn't doubt it was Muslim extremists at all but I am waiting for the aftermath.
 
2008-11-30 03:22:19 AM  
Eleanor Abernathy: AND from CNN IBN:

"Only Patil resignation not enough"
"CM Deshmukh may be asked to quit"
"Pressure on NSA MK Narayanan to quit"
"India mulls suspending ceasefire with Pak"
"India mulls suspending peace process"
"India troop build-up ordered on Pak border"

Whoa. Interesting times.


Holy crap. Things are getting ugly?
 
2008-11-30 03:23:29 AM  
Considering the BJP is milking the Mumbai attacks for all they are worth, India will be in a good lather for the upcoming elections.
 
2008-11-30 03:23:51 AM  
Doublek111: Question is how important is he? It is a total mess over there politically.

Hell, I don't know. I don't know who those other guys are, either. I'm just passing on info from the streamer at the bottom of the screen. Heads are rolling already, that was quick.

They did mention that Patil had been asked to step down previously, so I guess he wasn't real popular.
 
2008-11-30 03:24:48 AM  
Sabyen91: The guitar, too.

After my "were"/"wear" mistake, I wasn't about to point this one out.
 
2008-11-30 03:25:11 AM  
Royal Vodak: nuclear_asshat: Undiluted: Remember the whole Test-The-President rhetoric? Thank God we don't have another Republican president to look tough, then puss out on terrorism when it's actually time to catch Bin Laden, or in this case, tell us Iran is priority #1 when all signs point to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Read "Ghost Wars" and you can see how Clinton was completely duped bu Benazir Bhutto. The ISI was aiding the Taliban in massive ways and the CIA and several other agencies (including India) and Clinton was completely fooled. I think he thought a woman couldn't get the best of him.

Before long, the ISI was completely out of her control and the Taliban was completely out of the ISI's control. Like the Saudi's, Pakistan spent far too much time raising a snake in the yard and hoping it would feed on others.

While I see the appeal of giving the Pashtuns their own land, they'd just push into Pakistan or Afghanistan anyways. Theirs is not an ideology that likes to stay in one place and be a good neighbor.

Clinton was duped over and over again. In addition to what you stated above, he let Obama..I mean Osama go when the Yemenis offered him up on a platter. I could go on about Clitton but what's the focking point on The Daily Fark.

/Clitton's 3rd term: Coming soon to a USA near you!
//January 2009
///Clitton!!!



Whoo-hoo!:

i478.photobucket.com
 
2008-11-30 03:25:58 AM  
Sabyen91: I hope Muslims died is not a normal thing to say.

probably not so much, no.

eraser8: Sabyen91: eraser is a chic?

If I am, I'm an epic lesbian. With a penis.


*holds cup of warm joe high, takes bite of pie*
Salut to eraser's lesbian penis!
 
2008-11-30 03:27:31 AM  
mreuther: Considering the BJP is milking the Mumbai attacks for all they are worth, India will be in a good lather for the upcoming elections.

From the news reports, there does seem to be an aspect of cleaning house in anticipation of the elections.
 
2008-11-30 03:28:16 AM  
Sabyen91: Those "facts" are pretty early. I would wait a couple of weeks to post this as fact.

wait... what facts are early? i said the guy starts singing Pakistan. i didn't say whether they were right or wrong.

also, even if it really IS Pakistan or someone associated with them, isn't clear the Al-Quida benfits here no matter what?
 
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