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(Reuters)   Bush on his legacy: "I'd like to be a president [known] as somebody who liberated 50 million people and helped achieve peace"   (blogs.reuters.com) divider line 558
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2008-11-28 06:44:28 PM
Just as ridiculous as:

"Lincoln freed the slaves."
 
2008-11-28 06:44:38 PM
Tigger: But you're still wrong about the unemployment rates aren't you?


I take it you are responding to my post even though I didn't make an assertion about unemployment. To clarify for you, and you alone probably, unemployment isn't the best measure of overall economic policies. It is subject to a variety of measurement issues and just plain garbage (i.e. see the GM work rooms where people are paid employees but not allowed to work; see also "Europe").

btw, on your own profile, you list "global capitalism before protectionism." Protectionism is/was a way of life in Europe and is a big reason their economies have significantly lagged ours. I point this out so that you realize that even within your own logical construct you can see that you are completely full of it. Or empty of it, I can't decide which.
 
2008-11-28 06:45:54 PM
Silovik: The Ham Of Truth: Silovik: DrForrester: Silovik: Nixon was a great president

If you're going to throw all your credibility out the window, try to do it later in the post, so sane people don't stop reading it.

My point, your making it.

Again, no context or actually debate. If Iraq becomes a flourishing democracy, then that will be the historical narrative America will follow. Then someone will list points and evidence that Bush actually was a poor president, despite Iraq. And most people, ignorant of history, will post Fail pictures because it is easier to follow a narrative then actually read a book or think critically for yourself.


Not everyone is worth having an "actually debate." Besides, what's more to say after "your making it?" The fail pics were really just to highlight what went zooming over your head in the previously quoted post (did I make it past the filter?) about how your loony positions belie your utter lack of credibility.

Debating with you would be hopeless, but not for the reason you think.
 
2008-11-28 06:46:05 PM
In 20 years, which is about how long it takes to really assess a President's legacy, GWB will be remembered as at best a marginal president, perhaps average.

Most likely, he will be seen for what he was: A mouthpiece and puppet president for the genuinely evil power brokers and handlers who really ran his administration for eight years.
 
2008-11-28 06:48:08 PM
CanisNoir: Not sure why people started ripping on the O-Man, he's not part of this. I will agree with the Farker who stated that American's have no sense of History. It isn't impossible for Bush's wishes to come true given a few decades. [...]
Yes, if you think Bush is a douche for Waterboarding, you're no better than the Fundie that protests outside of an abortion clinic. The big difference is the Moral Outrage the Fundie is directing at, actually involves a death and not just severe discomfort.


The difference is that death by abortion (at least at our current use of abortion) is committed by the individual. Death happens and people kill others. That always occur. Death or torture by the state is what cannot be tolerated. We may hate and abhor any occurrence where a person takes a life of another human being (or animal, for those PETA folks), but it has always happened and always will happen. That's part of nature. But we must always guard against the government killing people. The government is not part of nature. The government is a creation of man and the one thing that it must include in that creation is the inability for the said government to kill.

Individuals choosing to kill a baby (or an adult): could be bad, could be eh. We know it happens, would like to see it not happen too often.

State choosing to kill a baby or an adult: cannot allow this to happen.
 
2008-11-28 06:49:03 PM
That's it.

Never mind this. We can all go home, now.

The fact that America has been divided into two bitter camps is proof that it has been conquered from within and the people who paid for the wedge have left with the gold in the getaway car.

You're fighting over a mummy on a dunghill. Just go watch Teevee and don't ask questions. You'll just ignore the answers and it wont matter, in the long run. There is no more long run.

Just the same malarkey farmers sticking one of two coloured flags into the hands of anybody who'll cheer to have one and wave it above the ruins and the rotting dead.

Put the dog on the pony. Rinse. Repeat.

Piss on this joke.
 
2008-11-28 06:49:14 PM
tinyarena: lefande: Die Polizei:To even comment on Obama's legacy at this point is lunacy.


No, I think we can hang the 6,000 point drop in the Dow since he got nominated fairly on Barry Osama.

And HE'S JUST GETTIN STARTED!

And it just had the biggest 5 day gain since the 1930's so...



The gain started because he appointed a Treasury Secretary that was 'same as the old boss.' The market had the worst sell-off after any presidential election in history. The market doesn't like tax-spend policies. Circumstances are forcing BO to the center, to some degree. How big a degree, we will find out over time.
 
2008-11-28 06:51:53 PM
Doublek111: For the record, Europe and been around for how many thousands of years? and the US for just 230+? And yet the US has, by far, the largest economy. Not of just any one European country. The US economy is bigger than all 27 countries in Europe combined.


Link (new window)

Link (new window)



/people who get taken down by wikipedia should ban themselves from Fark.


Uhh, if you're talking in total GDP (which it seems you are, since you're talking about adding all of them together), YOU just got owned by Wikipedia:

From the two articles you linked:

The economy of the European Union combines the economies of 27 member states and is generating an estimated nominal GDP of €12 581 billion ($18 493.009 in 2008) according to the IMF.

The economy of the United States is the largest national economy in the world.[10] Its gross domestic product (GDP) was estimated as $13.8 trillion in 2007.


$18,493 billion is larger than $13.8 trillion.

If you're talking about GDP per capita, well, Eastern Europe is pulling down Western Europe, which has several nations with a higher per capita GDP.

Europe's also a faster growing economy, according again to your wikipedia references.
 
2008-11-28 06:53:39 PM
Doublek111
The gain started because he appointed a Treasury Secretary that was 'same as the old boss.' The market had the worst sell-off after any presidential election in history. The market doesn't like tax-spend policies. Circumstances are forcing BO to the center, to some degree. How big a degree, we will find out over time.

The sell-off just might have been influenced by the biggest economic implosion in history. Oh, and the LIBOR sure didn't help - and still isn't. But I agree with you, President Obama will be more of a centerist than many had thought.
 
2008-11-28 06:54:04 PM
Gyrfalcon: In 20 years, which is about how long it takes to really assess a President's legacy, GWB will be remembered as at best a marginal president, perhaps average.

Most likely, he will be seen for what he was: A mouthpiece and puppet president for the genuinely evil power brokers and handlers who really ran his administration for eight years.


Now THAT sounds like a Conservative opinion that might have some actual reason or insight. The kind of thing that could actually challenge those with a differing viewpoint to reassess the merits of their opinion.

SHUN HIM! BAN HIM!

In case you're new here, let me tell you that we're more interested in trolls and/or those who might actually be clinically insane. Please take your respectful and possibly well-reasoned discussion elsewhere.
 
2008-11-28 06:55:08 PM
Bush's long term legacy will be a lot better than how people view him right now. Although this will depend on where our country goes in the next decade or two.

Think about some of the presidents who are typically seen as our better presidents. FDR, 4 terms as president, got us through a recession and a war. However, interned thousands of foreigners as part of protecting the nation from spies. JFK, country genuinely liked him and did some good things. Bad? Almost started a nuclear war.

Whether or not presidents have been great is always debatable but even the presidents who are usually seen as the better ones have done some bad things as well.
 
2008-11-28 06:55:31 PM
bunner: The fact that America has been divided into two bitter camps is proof that it has been conquered from within and the people who paid for the wedge have left with the gold in the getaway car.

That's an awfully large pronouncement to base on a Fark thread.
 
2008-11-28 06:57:37 PM
Bill the unknowing: Canis Noir: It isn't impossible for Bush's wishes to come true given a few decades.

Why you're absolutely right. Bush may come to be known as "Bush, the Wise". After the holocaust has managed to somehow infect all of mankind that had more than a brain stem, the remaining "Tale Tellers" may grunt amazing tales of Bush, the Wise, who managed to save them with his "NCLB" act. Underfunded to the point of irrelevance, this single act saved their ancestors from "edikashun"....ensuring that idiocy would the saving grace of the remaining troglodytes.

On the other hand, unfortunately, some of us won't be around to utter the words, "By golly, W was right all along."

Highly unlikely but possible.


The "Unknowing" eh? Yup, seems like you chose an appropriate Fark Name
 
2008-11-28 06:58:06 PM
Questions for the Liberals: Did Bush free tens of millions of people or not? Do you think it likely that Obama will free more people from tyranny than Bush has?

Where on the job description does it say that one of the duties is to free people from tyranny?
 
2008-11-28 06:59:06 PM
HowlingFrog: bunner: The fact that America has been divided into two bitter camps is proof that it has been conquered from within and the people who paid for the wedge have left with the gold in the getaway car.

That's an awfully large pronouncement to base on a Fark thread.


None of the statements I make in these threads is based upon the content of the posts as a reference for anything other than something I agree with or do not. I base them on my own observations upon the state of things, at large, within the topic addressed.

And yeah, I am that pessimistic.
 
2008-11-28 07:01:02 PM
Doublek111

1) your first writing contained an assertion about Europe's unemployment rate, it was only later on that you changed the subject
to total economic size.

2) the relative duration of the nation states involved is entirely irrelevant. the US didn't have to start from economic scratch

3) your assertion that "protectionism is/was a way of life in Europe" is so broad as to be useless. It's also wrong - if it were correct London would not have been the global financial capital for the last eight years

4) your claims about the relative sizes of the economies are not correct. The wikipedia articles you cite clearly demonstrate that the economy of Europe as a whole is larger than that of the US. like I said not relevant, but you're still wrong.
 
2008-11-28 07:05:28 PM
The Ham Of Truth: Silovik: The Ham Of Truth: Silovik: DrForrester: Silovik: Nixon was a great president

If you're going to throw all your credibility out the window, try to do it later in the post, so sane people don't stop reading it.

My point, your making it.

Again, no context or actually debate. If Iraq becomes a flourishing democracy, then that will be the historical narrative America will follow. Then someone will list points and evidence that Bush actually was a poor president, despite Iraq. And most people, ignorant of history, will post Fail pictures because it is easier to follow a narrative then actually read a book or think critically for yourself.

Not everyone is worth having an "actually debate." Besides, what's more to say after "your making it?" The fail pics were really just to highlight what went zooming over your head in the previously quoted post (did I make it past the filter?) about how your loony positions belie your utter lack of credibility.

Debating with you would be hopeless, but not for the reason you think.


Really, I think it might be hopeless because I would give someone the option to present their side instead of saying, "I don't agree with you therefore you have no credibility." Also, I guess your argument would be the White House dirty tricks squad disgraced him so much, that the other parts of his presidency would do little to change your mind, and I can see that as valid. I just disagree...
 
2008-11-28 07:06:25 PM
Doublek111: For the record, Europe and been around for how many thousands of years?

Europe has been around for 6,000 years, since God created it. Same thing is true of America.
 
2008-11-28 07:08:04 PM
Tigger: Doublek111

1) your first writing contained an assertion about Europe's unemployment rate, it was only later on that you changed the subject
to total economic size.

2) the relative duration of the nation states involved is entirely irrelevant. the US didn't have to start from economic scratch

3) your assertion that "protectionism is/was a way of life in Europe" is so broad as to be useless. It's also wrong - if it were correct London would not have been the global financial capital for the last eight years

4) your claims about the relative sizes of the economies are not correct. The wikipedia articles you cite clearly demonstrate that the economy of Europe as a whole is larger than that of the US. like I said not relevant, but you're still wrong.


He's just trolling. I put him on ignore.
 
2008-11-28 07:09:22 PM
ilambiquated: Europe has been around for 6,000 years, since God created it. Same thing is true of America.

I don't think it was called Europe then, though. It got that name after the Flood.
 
2008-11-28 07:10:51 PM
Bauer:

i find it hard to believe that you bush lovers here haven't hurt or killed yourselves running with scissors by the age of five.

you are the lucky ones, evidently.


Hey, ever since they started making those little round end safety scissors for kids, our percentages of mediocre and worse children have shot way up.

/We need more Jarts
//What about old school Chemistry sets with sulfer, sodium, and maybe some potassium cyanide thats labeled "tastes like cherries".
 
2008-11-28 07:10:53 PM
Crazy Bacon Legs: Some people are so blinded by hate, they can't see the good Bush has accomplished.

America has changed, and for the better. You'll see that in a few years.

I would personally rank Bush as one of the three best U.S. Presidents in history.


You can't see what doesn't exist.
 
2008-11-28 07:15:18 PM
www.users.on.net

History remembers all to well.


www.users.on.net

But don't worry, history has shown middle eastern peoples don't hold grudges. Your grandchildren have nothing to fear.


www.users.on.net



I mean, what's 91,000 dead between friends? Their families will just GET OVER IT. Just like Americans do.
 
2008-11-28 07:15:28 PM
To quote the great Mike Ditka, "Who you crappin'?"


I had to work today, so I want to thank President Numbnuts for giving me a laugh that is sorely needed.
 
2008-11-28 07:18:00 PM
You'd think the election of Obama would soothe all these chapped rectums, butt apparently there is too much sand in your manginas.
 
2008-11-28 07:21:20 PM
Tigger: It's like a Mandelbrot set of wrong.

yet again you produce another addition to my all time favorite utterances on Fark.
 
2008-11-28 07:22:09 PM
I read;

Erebus1954 Quote 2008-11-28 04:57:36 PM
The war is about over. Democracy won at a human cost of less than we lose each year to highway fatalities.

By any measure this is a huge success.

...to my husband and he said, "YAY, WE SCORED MORE POINTS!"
That's how they think, isn't it?

/eeeeeewww!
 
2008-11-28 07:25:16 PM
Mandelbrot set of wrong

The study of fractal idiocy is a field I have been personally involved in for some time. Certain people have the ability to be wrong at any conceivable scale of resolution.
 
2008-11-28 07:26:58 PM
I'd like, "The first President to prove the existence of Spontaneous Combustion while in office."

/If the supernatural were real, he'd be kidnapped by ghost-alien werewolves by now.
 
2008-11-28 07:27:30 PM
another idiot who thinks the world revolves around him. typical. hey george, i got your legacy right here. [grabs his nuts]

later george, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
2008-11-28 07:28:01 PM
Darkridr: //What about old school Chemistry sets with sulfer, sodium, and maybe some potassium cyanide thats labeled "tastes like cherries".

nah.. that's cheating.

Just label them CHEMICALS.
 
2008-11-28 07:31:35 PM
Linux_Yes: another idiot who thinks the world revolves around him. typical. hey george, i got your legacy right here. [grabs his nuts]

later george, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Linux_Yes: another idiot who thinks the world revolves around him. typical. hey george, i got your legacy right here. [grabs his nuts]

later george, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.


The saddest thing is that he cares more about his leagcy than about the country.
 
2008-11-28 07:33:34 PM
offtopic - At least we didn't get Terminator 2:
dubqnp.dk
 
2008-11-28 07:33:38 PM
Silovik: Who knows, Americans in general have no sense of history. Nixon was a great president, but everone just remembers Watergate. Wilson was a racist and a fool, but the times made him a great president, might be the same for W. Bush. Hell, JFK rigged elections and put America in Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, and took all the credit for the Cuban Missile Crisis, which was really the efforts of RFK and the State Department/CIA, and everyone loves him.

You are completely wrong!!!!

I loved him as a president. He and Kissinger got us into China without much more then a whisper.


Did he do things that caused him to be a "Not so good president"? yes, and I still think he would have done more for us given time to do so. Sometime the press is just wrong in their timing.
 
2008-11-28 07:35:02 PM
ilambiquated: The saddest thing is that he cares more about his leagcy than about the country.

The saddest thing is that he didn't give a shiat about either in 2001.
 
2008-11-28 07:37:49 PM
Tigger: Certain people have the ability to be wrong at any conceivable scale of resolution.

So very very true.
 
2008-11-28 07:41:14 PM
dubdub: offtopic - At least we didn't get Terminator 2:

I think you may have just summed up an entire candidacy with an animated .gif.

That's got to be a first.
 
2008-11-28 07:43:44 PM
HowlingFrog: bunner: The fact that America has been divided into two bitter camps is proof that it has been conquered from within and the people who paid for the wedge have left with the gold in the getaway car.

That's an awfully large pronouncement to base on a Fark thread.


The guy who basically believes anything crazy that someone says the government says/did is telling someone on FARK that they may be slightly off-base. This statement should be fossilized so future generations can see a prime example of irony.
 
2008-11-28 07:44:50 PM
far_cue: You'd think the election of Obama would soothe all these chapped rectums, butt apparently there is too much sand in your manginas.

It has to the extent that people are just upset that he's a jerk. But there are still very real consequences that Americans are dealing with, some of which no mortal (nor the Genie from Aladdin) can undo.
 
2008-11-28 07:46:55 PM
Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for 8 years, lets see how the new prez fairs on that.
 
2008-11-28 07:47:32 PM
bunner: Darkridr: //What about old school Chemistry sets with sulfer, sodium, and maybe some potassium cyanide thats labeled "tastes like cherries".

nah.. that's cheating.

Just label them CHEMICALS.


How about "Do Not Mix and Swallow. Really Won't Make You Run Like the Flash" but then put a little lightning bolt mark below that.
 
2008-11-28 07:47:41 PM
Since the Iraqi war has been supported by both Democrats and Republicans in most sincere way possible, through continued funding over the years, it's only fair that both sides share in the victory.

The war is won, I just hope that Obama doesn't fark it up in the last few months during troop withdrawal.
 
2008-11-28 07:49:14 PM
Tech N9ne: Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for 8 years, lets see how the new prez fairs on that.

Do you credit all the previous POTUS that kept us "safe"?
 
2008-11-28 07:49:49 PM
Tech N9ne: Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for 8 years, lets see how the new prez fairs on that.

From what?

We kicked ass on an entire world war in 3.4 years and we've been hiding under our beds for 7 over two blown up buildings.

That does not make me feel safe.
 
2008-11-28 07:50:18 PM
Erebus1954: Since the Iraqi war has been supported by both Democrats and Republicans in most sincere way possible, through continued funding over the years, it's only fair that both sides share in the victory.

The war is won, I just hope that Obama doesn't fark it up in the last few months during troop withdrawal.



We need to leave, but as soon as we leave, it all goes to shiat. You do realize that, right?
 
2008-11-28 07:51:22 PM
Bush would like to be a known as somebody who freed millions

Yah, really
 
2008-11-28 07:52:29 PM
George, the only way you'll be remembered is by people knowing that you weren't beat enough as a child. You will also be remembered as a person that would have been a bum in the streets begging for malt liquor money except you were born into affluence. Ruining every company you worked for wasn't enough so you had to fark the whole damn country. A$$hole.
 
2008-11-28 07:54:55 PM
Darkridr: How about "Do Not Mix and Swallow. Really Won't Make You Run Like the Flash" but then put a little lightning bolt mark below that.

Or just put in a booklet that says "WARNING".

Nobody reads those.
 
2008-11-28 07:55:14 PM
bloobeary: ...one of the
Adequate, forgettable,
Occasionally regrettable
Caretaker presidents of the U-S-A


That's quite a stretch.
 
2008-11-28 07:57:02 PM
PascalsGhost: Erebus1954: Since the Iraqi war has been supported by both Democrats and Republicans in most sincere way possible, through continued funding over the years, it's only fair that both sides share in the victory.

The war is won, I just hope that Obama doesn't fark it up in the last few months during troop withdrawal.


We need to leave, but as soon as we leave, it all goes to shiat. You do realize that, right?


I honestly don't know. I think it will depend on how badly Iraqis want freedom. They've had a taste. I like it, I'm thinking maybe they do, too.
 
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