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(The Sun)   Nanny State prison officials buy Muslim prisoners $7,000 worth of take-out curry meals so they could celebrate a holiday without having to eat crap like Marmite and beans   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 67
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2008-11-24 01:36:19 PM  
I'm pretty sure US prisons do nicer meals on Thanksgiving and Xmas, don't they? I feel like I have read articles on that... people don't seem to mind too much that people get a turkey dinner or whatever...

You have to remember not everyone in jail is a serial killer or rapists. Lots of people end up in prison for some really stupid shiat.
 
2008-11-24 01:46:28 PM  
serpent_sky: I'm pretty sure US prisons do nicer meals on Thanksgiving and Xmas, don't they?

My brother spent a Thanksgiving in jail (boy did I look like the good kid that year!) and they fed him a turkey dinner.

Charged him $19 for it though upon release.
 
2008-11-24 01:47:24 PM  
serpent_sky: I'm pretty sure US prisons do nicer meals on Thanksgiving and Xmas, don't they? I feel like I have read articles on that... people don't seem to mind too much that people get a turkey dinner or whatever...

Yes, but they're Muslims. Don't you see? The Nanny State is doing something considerate toward Muslims. Because they're a Nanny State. Get it? The Nanny State being nice to Muslims. Muslims, you see?
 
2008-11-24 01:54:57 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Yes, but they're Muslims. Don't you see? The Nanny State is doing something considerate toward Muslims. Because they're a Nanny State. Get it? The Nanny State being nice to Muslims. Muslims, you see?

turkey dinners from the prison kitchen would be fine. specially made turkey dinners ordered from a restaurant and delivered at a higher cost to the prison would not be.
 
2008-11-24 02:05:55 PM  
Hence the term curry favor.
 
2008-11-24 02:06:23 PM  
albo: turkey dinners from the prison kitchen would be fine. specially made turkey dinners ordered from a restaurant and delivered at a higher cost to the prison would not be.

maybe the prison kitchen didn't know how to make curry. There could be a million reasons why they chose to do it that way... maybe it was more cost-effective than making it, even. *shrug*

And you know, I don't know that I would have a problem with giving prisoners one nice meal a year or something, on a holiday. Like I said, not everyone in there is Hannibal Lecter. Some people are in for stupid things [like being caught with drugs]or just made a dumb mistake and are serving their time.

There are FAR more appalling things I've seen than people getting some take away curry. For example, I read the story of some gangbanger who killed multiple people who, upon his release, had two graduate degrees and a bachelors. All free. He's clearly rehabilitated and does good work in his community now... but I can't get a graduate degree because I can't afford it and don't want to put myself in debt. I find free education to THAT extent a bit offensive. [I'm fine with the bachelors, even... but TWO Masters? Free?]
 
2008-11-24 02:12:55 PM  
serpent_sky: maybe the prison kitchen didn't know how to make curry

curries are very easy. i just made a pork katsu curry this weekend.

and this is the UK we're talking about--curry is part of their culture. it's like a US prison cook not knowing how to make a meatloaf.
 
2008-11-24 02:13:18 PM  
serpent_sky: For example, I read the story of some gangbanger who killed multiple people who, upon his release, had two graduate degrees and a bachelors. All free. He's clearly rehabilitated and does good work in his community now... but I can't get a graduate degree because I can't afford it and don't want to put myself in debt.

Dude, your resume still looks better than his. He's not getting jobs that you'd otherwise be given.
 
2008-11-24 02:20:55 PM  
As long as the budget can take it, and as long as they do something nice for the rest of the jail on Thanksgiving or Christmas, I'm ok.

/Upon review: "More than 150 prisoners and 50 staff tucked into the beef madras and lamb rogan josh meals worth £18 each from the Roti Food Bar in Peterborough, Cambs. They were to celebrate Eid - the end of the Ramadan month of fasting."

$28.66 per meal, eh it's a little pricey, but whatever if it's once a year. But 50 staff too? What, did they just throw a big party?

Plus maybe they tied it to behavior or work standards and actually got some benefit out if it.
 
2008-11-24 02:21:48 PM  
I wouldn't ask you all to do anything silly like read the article (especially since it's the Sun), but

A non-Muslim ex-inmate at Whitemoor jail said: "They tried to do the curries in-house but the prison chefs couldn't meet the budget of £1.80 per prisoner - and the Muslim inmates complained that it tasted rubbish.

Give them some curry. It might prevent a riot in the future.
 
2008-11-24 02:29:39 PM  
You know what this is just one more example of?
 
2008-11-24 02:49:57 PM  
jbuist: serpent_sky: For example, I read the story of some gangbanger who killed multiple people who, upon his release, had two graduate degrees and a bachelors. All free. He's clearly rehabilitated and does good work in his community now... but I can't get a graduate degree because I can't afford it and don't want to put myself in debt.

Dude, your resume still looks better than his. He's not getting jobs that you'd otherwise be given.


Hard to say... he was a guest speaker here, and probably made more for the appearance than i did that day. He's also the CEO of his own company. He does lectures about how people can be rehabilitated in prison.

Honestly, he probably does more good for the world than I do, it just seems crazy to me that someone can get multiple degrees [that are cost-prohibitive to so many people who aren't criminals] for free.

On that guy, I'm torn though, because I do like the idea of people advocating actual rehabilitation. I just don't understand why a lot of smart people I know who could go further with MA degrees, or even MBAs, can't get them without going into massive debt and yet they're free for prisoners. This guy, in particular, was a multiple-murderer from his gang days. We're talking multi-thousand dollar degrees.

/eh I'm just bitter because I STILL have loans out on my BA.
 
2008-11-24 03:04:31 PM  
serpent_sky: /eh I'm just bitter because I STILL have loans out on my BA.

Well, grab a knife and start stabbing hobos!
 
2008-11-24 03:15:20 PM  
serpent_sky: Honestly, he probably does more good for the world than I do, it just seems crazy to me that someone can get multiple degrees [that are cost-prohibitive to so many people who aren't criminals] for free.

On that guy, I'm torn though, because I do like the idea of people advocating actual rehabilitation. I just don't understand why a lot of smart people I know who could go further with MA degrees, or even MBAs, can't get them without going into massive debt and yet they're free for prisoners. This guy, in particular, was a multiple-murderer from his gang days. We're talking multi-thousand dollar degrees.


Wow, what a wonderfully tough thing to ponder over. It's essentially the Prodigal Son parable.

/Basically, we just need to fund higher education better. Despite the farkstream belief that college is only for: (1) rich-spoiled kids skipping and failing classes to get overpaid jobs through an old-boys network that they are meeting while there; (2) engineers, who suffer 23.5 hour class days to slave away doing all real work in the universe on benevolent behalf of us all.
 
2008-11-24 03:36:04 PM  
albo: and this is the UK we're talking about--curry is part of their culture.

British curry is great in frankenfurters.
 
2008-11-24 03:47:34 PM  
SherKhan: Hence the term curry favor.

Now that's just awesome.

DslainteC: British curry is great in frankenfurters.

So is that.

I love you guys.

/Nanny State Nanny State Nanny State!
 
JJR
2008-11-24 03:59:06 PM  
Mecca, face it.
 
2008-11-24 04:00:13 PM  
albo: turkey dinners from the prison kitchen would be fine. specially made turkey dinners ordered from a restaurant and delivered at a higher cost to the prison would not be.

Ah arbitrary standards of justice as proclaimed by morons on short consideration of circumstancial evidence. Just like the jury system!
 
2008-11-24 04:00:48 PM  
You know who else liked curry?

/gots nothing
//Really. Nothing.
 
2008-11-24 04:01:54 PM  
Pocket Ninja: serpent_sky: I'm pretty sure US prisons do nicer meals on Thanksgiving and Xmas, don't they? I feel like I have read articles on that... people don't seem to mind too much that people get a turkey dinner or whatever...

Yes, but they're Muslims. Don't you see? The Nanny State is doing something considerate toward Muslims. Because they're a Nanny State. Get it? The Nanny State being nice to Muslims. Muslims, you see?


This this this this this.
 
2008-11-24 04:02:14 PM  
Bomb Head Mohammed: Ah arbitrary standards of justice as proclaimed by morons on short consideration of circumstancial evidence. Just like the jury system!

food is a "standard of justice?"
*quizzical dog face*
 
2008-11-24 04:02:47 PM  
They run out of caviar?

Wtf is wrong with pork curry?
 
2008-11-24 04:02:48 PM  
As long as the Christian prisoners get £18 Christmas dinners and the FSM prisoners get £18 spaghetti dinners on talk like a pirate day, I see no problem with this.
 
2008-11-24 04:03:09 PM  
albo: Pocket Ninja: Yes, but they're Muslims. Don't you see? The Nanny State is doing something considerate toward Muslims. Because they're a Nanny State. Get it? The Nanny State being nice to Muslims. Muslims, you see?

turkey dinners from the prison kitchen would be fine. specially made turkey dinners ordered from a restaurant and delivered at a higher cost to the prison would not be.


Prisons are for punishment. Bread and water should be the only fare. Fark these PMITA resorts with all of the anaslex, weightlifting and socializing.

i5.photobucket.com
 
2008-11-24 04:07:34 PM  
Curry bacon rawks!!!!!11!
 
2008-11-24 04:07:51 PM  
degreeless: Who needs turkey anyway?

/now fortified with 50% more IED's!


mmm...

Pork is the main course for our family thanksgiving

/raised on a hog farm
 
2008-11-24 04:08:03 PM  

At least the prisons already prepared for the day after Thanksgiving curry:



JAIL bosses are rebuilding toilets so Muslim inmates don't have to use them while facing Mecca.

Thousands of pounds of taxpayers money are being spent to ensure lags are not offended.

The Islamic religion prohibits Muslims from facing or turning their backs on the Kiblah - the direction of prayer - when they visit the lav.

Muslim lags claimed they have had to sit sideways on prison WCs.

But after pressure from faith leaders the Home Office has agreed to turn the existing toilets 90 degrees at HMP Brixton in London.

The Home Office refused to reveal the cost of the new facilities - part of an "on-going refurbishment".

One Muslim former inmate said: "The least the Prison Service can do is make sure people can practise their religion correctly in prison."

But a Brixton jail officer said: "If they didn't get locked up for committing crime they would not have this problem. Yet we have to sort out their loos. If we weren't paying for it as taxpayers I'd laugh my socks off."

Around a quarter of prisoners at the Category B jail are Muslims.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006180300,00.html
 
2008-11-24 04:08:56 PM  
serpent_sky: jbuist: serpent_sky: For example, I read the story of some gangbanger who killed multiple people who, upon his release, had two graduate degrees and a bachelors. All free. He's clearly rehabilitated and does good work in his community now... but I can't get a graduate degree because I can't afford it and don't want to put myself in debt.

Dude, your resume still looks better than his. He's not getting jobs that you'd otherwise be given.

Hard to say... he was a guest speaker here, and probably made more for the appearance than i did that day. He's also the CEO of his own company. He does lectures about how people can be rehabilitated in prison.

Honestly, he probably does more good for the world than I do, it just seems crazy to me that someone can get multiple degrees [that are cost-prohibitive to so many people who aren't criminals] for free.

On that guy, I'm torn though, because I do like the idea of people advocating actual rehabilitation. I just don't understand why a lot of smart people I know who could go further with MA degrees, or even MBAs, can't get them without going into massive debt and yet they're free for prisoners. This guy, in particular, was a multiple-murderer from his gang days. We're talking multi-thousand dollar degrees.

/eh I'm just bitter because I STILL have loans out on my BA.


I do believe he payed for it in prison time.
Why don't you just go to prison, if you really want a "free" degree or three?
 
2008-11-24 04:11:39 PM  
liberalish: As long as the budget can take it, and as long as they do something nice for the rest of the jail on Thanksgiving or Christmas, I'm ok.

/Upon review: "More than 150 prisoners and 50 staff tucked into the beef madras and lamb rogan josh meals worth £18 each from the Roti Food Bar in Peterborough, Cambs. They were to celebrate Eid - the end of the Ramadan month of fasting."

$28.66 per meal, eh it's a little pricey, but whatever if it's once a year. But 50 staff too? What, did they just throw a big party?

Plus maybe they tied it to behavior or work standards and actually got some benefit out if it.



Indian food coming out to £18/person? In Britain? That's ridiculous. That's the equivalent of $30 Tex-Mex in Texas.

Even though I'm sure it's delicious.
 
2008-11-24 04:17:44 PM  
serpent_sky: jbuist:
Honestly, he probably does more good for the world than I do, it just seems crazy to me that someone can get multiple degrees [that are cost-prohibitive to so many people who aren't criminals] for free.

On that guy, I'm torn though, because I do like the idea of people advocating actual rehabilitation. I just don't understand why a lot of smart people I know who could go further with MA degrees, or even MBAs, can't get them without going into massive debt and yet they're free for prisoners. This guy, in particular, was a multiple-murderer from his gang days. We're talking multi-thousand dollar degrees.

/eh I'm just bitter because I STILL have loans out on my BA.


Dude, just go rob a liquor store and stop complaining.
 
2008-11-24 04:18:48 PM  
liberalish: But 50 staff too? What, did they just throw a big party?

Plus maybe they tied it to behavior or work standards and actually got some benefit out if it.


The staff deserved a little feast since eating at work in the UK has been banned during Ramadan.



DOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

The guidance, which was sent round many organisations, was produced by Glasgow consultancy Meem, which advises on Muslim issues and counts the Scottish Parliament among its clients.

Na'eem Raza, a senior consultant with the firm, said he was thrilled that the health boards had formally adopted the guidance.

He added: "The idea is to get faith in the workplace out in the open.

"After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community.

"It would never stir up resentment. Faith is an important issue. Why not have guidance on all of the issues that affect us, including different faiths?"

http://www2.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/16309

 
2008-11-24 04:20:06 PM  
albo: serpent_sky: maybe the prison kitchen didn't know how to make curry

curries are very easy. i just made a pork katsu curry this weekend.

and this is the UK we're talking about--curry is part of their culture. it's like a US prison cook not knowing how to make a meatloaf.


It's not so much a matter of a US prison cook knowing how to make a meatloaf, as it is a matter of a US prison cook knowing that the crap they get to serve is actually meat.
 
2008-11-24 04:21:34 PM  
Besides violate the law, what did these prisoners ever do to harm society?
 
2008-11-24 04:22:13 PM  
albo: serpent_sky: maybe the prison kitchen didn't know how to make curry

curries are very easy. i just made a pork katsu curry this weekend.

and this is the UK we're talking about--curry is part of their culture. it's like a US prison cook not knowing how to make a meatloaf.


i crave katsu curry like a crack addict. my wife learned to make it, and make it well.

/drools
 
2008-11-24 04:23:41 PM  
schadenfreudian: Prisons are for punishment. Bread and water should be the only fare. Fark these PMITA resorts with all of the anaslex, weightlifting and socializing.

I am sure you would be the first one in line to become a guard at a prison like that.
 
2008-11-24 04:25:37 PM  
If one of these guys leads an honest life due to the fact they were treated like human beings rather than animals, it's worth it. Most of you complaining about this humanitarian act should take your vengeful attitudes somewhere else so that you can stew in your own bile instead of forcing your medieval attitudes on people who want this to be a better world. There are bigger things to get worked up about.
 
2008-11-24 04:27:03 PM  
Since everyone knows prisoners aren't human...
and of course Muslim's aren't human...

Wow - double whammy!
 
2008-11-24 04:27:34 PM  
serpent_sky: For example, I read the story of some gangbanger who killed multiple people who, upon his release, had two graduate degrees and a bachelors. All free. He's clearly rehabilitated and does good work in his community now... but I can't get a graduate degree because I can't afford it and don't want to put myself in debt. I find free education to THAT extent a bit offensive. [I'm fine with the bachelors, even... but TWO Masters? Free?]

Either the article was wrong or you misremember, because first, there's no way in hell the correctional system will pay for a GRADUATE degree. Undergrad yes (and even then, it's usually community or at most state), but not graduate. And second, there aren't too many graduate programs that will allow a prisoner to enter, let alone some gangbanger lucky enough to get TWO graduates degree.
 
2008-11-24 04:28:13 PM  
albo: turkey dinners from the prison kitchen would be fine. specially made turkey dinners ordered from a restaurant and delivered at a higher cost to the prison would not be.


So, you are opposed to privatization, then?
 
2008-11-24 04:28:33 PM  
Fark this.

Prison should be bread and water all year round.

Whether you are Muslim, Christian, Hindu whatever.

Why should our taxpayers money be spent on such frivolous meals when most of the honest taxpayers in this country are struggling to make ends meet.

Prison should be a punishment, not a holiday camp
 
2008-11-24 04:30:47 PM  
subby hasn't checked the exchange rate lately.

$5,300. Pound's taking a beating.
 
2008-11-24 04:31:19 PM  
barnacleboy: Prison should be bread and water all year round.

Whether you are Muslim, Christian, Hindu whatever.

Why should our taxpayers money be spent on such frivolous meals when most of the honest taxpayers in this country are struggling to make ends meet.


Because you can either pay for higher meal costs and actually treat prisoners as human, or you can pay to constantly have to guards replaced because they were stabbed to death. Oh and the riots. And the fact that you have a lot of pissed off prisoners that will eventually be let out.

I disagree with a lot of the cushy features of some prisons but to claim it should be strict harsh conditions is the same as saying you don't know a damn thing about prison.
 
2008-11-24 04:32:05 PM  
serpent_sky: On that guy, I'm torn though, because I do like the idea of people advocating actual rehabilitation. I just don't understand why a lot of smart people I know who could go further with MA degrees, or even MBAs, can't get them without going into massive debt and yet they're free for prisoners. This guy, in particular, was a multiple-murderer from his gang days. We're talking multi-thousand dollar degrees.


Do you think a lot of people are getting MBAs in prison?

I think the actual levels of education achieved by prisoners range from literacy and GED all the way up to woodworking and "learnin' computers."
 
2008-11-24 04:32:23 PM  
Best curry I've had since I was in Wolverhampton.
 
2008-11-24 04:32:36 PM  
Taxpayers should not be made to subsidize inmates' religious observance. Pray in jail all you want but when it raises the cost of incarceration tough shiat. Perhaps you should focus less on the part of your imaginary world that says you're special to God and more on the part of your imaginary world that commands you to avoid committing immoral acts that, coincidentally, often land people in prison. The prison in question is "top security" and unlikely to be home to innocent pot smokers.

Oh, and fark your "cultural understanding". If you commit a grave offense against a member of the society to which I belong I already know all I need to know about you and your mentality and don't care to research you any further. You and your phony god and backward customs can go get farked.
 
2008-11-24 04:33:56 PM  
Mmmmmm, Marmite.
 
2008-11-24 04:37:15 PM  
barnacleboy: Fark this.

Prison should be bread and water all year round.

Whether you are Muslim, Christian, Hindu whatever.

Why should our taxpayers money be spent on such frivolous meals when most of the honest taxpayers in this country are struggling to make ends meet.

Prison should be a punishment, not a holiday camp




I've actually worked in the prison system, as an attorney defending a state department of corrections. I've been in facilities ranging from minimum security to supermax. I've spent a day doing a boot camp program.

I can tell you with certainty that prison is not a holiday camp. Even if you added daily bacon cheeseburgers and flat-screen TVs, it is in no way fun.

The main lesson I learned is that when you are in prison, they can pretty much do anything to you. I thank god I worked for a relatively progressive state. Some of the cases out of places like Texas were genuinely frightening. And those were the rare the cases where inmate/victims were fortunate enough to save evidence. And by evidence I mean bodily fluids.
 
2008-11-24 04:40:33 PM  
Where's that subby?
Ease off on the Marmite. If you can get past the pee shiver when you first smell it then it rawks!
 
2008-11-24 04:41:27 PM  
olddeegee: If one of these guys leads an honest life due to the fact they were treated like human beings rather than animals, it's worth it. Most of you complaining about this humanitarian act should take your vengeful attitudes somewhere else so that you can stew in your own bile instead of forcing your medieval attitudes on people who want this to be a better world. There are bigger things to get worked up about.

But.. but... Muslims. Getting things. From the government.
 
2008-11-24 04:42:33 PM  
Curry? Really now, CURRY???

I understand that all brown people look alike to Brits, but do they honestly think that Indian food is some sort of traditional Muslim fare too? I mean sure, they probably enjoyed the food, but doesn't that seem like the equivalent of serving Sushi to Chinese prisoners for Chinese New Years? I mean it is all asian food, right?
 
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