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(SanDiegoUnionTribune)   Judge rules Christians can worship in a church that was zoned to be a bar even though the structure had a permit for beer, wine and live entertainment but not religious services   (signonsandiego.com) divider line 69
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2008-11-20 08:14:00 PM  
I'm feeling strangely religious.

Barkeep, I'll have another round of sacramental wine.
 
2008-11-20 08:41:43 PM  
My town had an LCBO (liquor store) that closed when they moved to a newer, bigger location. The old location was turned into a church.

Either they're obsessed with the resurrection or there must be some leftover Canadian whiskey in there because all you hear from them is "Rise Again!" Or perhaps that's, "Rye's again."
 
2008-11-20 09:42:13 PM  
Wine and Live entertainment; two outa three. And Ben Franklin claimed beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
 
2008-11-20 09:46:50 PM  
NewportBarGuy: I'm feeling strangely religious.

Barkeep, I'll have another round of sacramental wine.


And don't churches leave their doors open 24/7?
 
Bek
2008-11-20 10:19:13 PM  
abb3w: Wine and Live entertainment; two outa three. And Ben Franklin claimed beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

Add in nachos during opening prayers and I'll convert.
 
2008-11-20 10:47:29 PM  
Bek: Add in nachos during opening prayers and I'll convert.

Do they need anything besides cheese? And does it have to be real cheese, or will Spray Cheez suffice?
 
Bek
2008-11-20 10:50:09 PM  
abb3w: Bek: Add in nachos during opening prayers and I'll convert.

Do they need anything besides cheese? And does it have to be real cheese, or will Spray Cheez suffice?


If God truly exists, they'd be loaded properly.
 
2008-11-20 11:43:42 PM  
Awesome! That means we can go get drunk in churches now, right?
 
2008-11-21 12:12:41 AM  
And-1: That means we can go get drunk in churches now, right?

Now? NOW?? Do you mean to imply that we WERE'NT supposed to be doing this before??

Oh...

/have to go write some apology letters
//next you'll be telling me we shouldn't use the cross as a bottle opener... :-/
 
2008-11-21 01:49:04 AM  
mamoru: Now? NOW?? Do you mean to imply that we WERE'NT supposed to be doing this before??

Communion doesn't count. Or so my uncles always told me :)
 
2008-11-21 03:25:41 AM  
Farking activist judges.
 
2008-11-21 03:29:37 AM  
So how are the requirements different for the church permit and the liquor permit? Are the fire code limits on occupancy different or something?

I'm pretty sure the building was shut down more because of the "seven major building code violations" than the fact that they had the wrong permit, they just brought up the latter because it came up when they were processing the condemnation paperwork or whatever.

6 months is not exactly a long time for major repairs.
 
2008-11-21 03:30:39 AM  
yeah, but try to open a bar in a location zoned for a church and see what happens.
 
2008-11-21 03:31:45 AM  
This is sacramental wine! It's only used to bless things! ... Wait a minute. There's things here! There's trees, there's rocks, there's squirrels; lets bless them all until we get verschnickered!
 
2008-11-21 03:33:58 AM  
dnrtfa, but despite being non-religious myself, I hope I'm not the only one slightly perturbed by the idea that you would need a permit to worship.
 
2008-11-21 03:35:27 AM  
In a hybird bar church would you still not have to pay taxes
 
2008-11-21 03:36:42 AM  
Stinky McButt:
NewportBarGuy: I'm feeling strangely religious.

Barkeep, I'll have another round of sacramental wine.

And don't churches leave their doors open 24/7?


No, that's 7/11.
 
2008-11-21 03:47:12 AM  
Cause shouting retarded religious beliefs will always drown out the calm voice of reason.
 
2008-11-21 03:47:33 AM  
VTSquire: I hope I'm not the only one slightly perturbed by the idea that you would need a permit to worship.

No, that would be unacceptable, we are in the land of the free. And it's not like they are manipulating you due to:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges
IRS Penalties
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines
Trailer sales tax
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Nah, not at all. farking liberals.
 
2008-11-21 03:48:55 AM  
Approves
i398.photobucket.com

First miracle don'tchaknow.
 
2008-11-21 03:51:15 AM  
Amsterdamaged: Approves


First miracle don'tchaknow.


Holy smokes! Praise God! About sometime a fellow farker was embracing Jesus!
 
2008-11-21 03:57:26 AM  
The First Baptist Bar and Grill


Well, the church burned down and no one knew
what Pentecost Baptist was gonna do
the Sunday brimstone got so dadgum hot
it burned up a church bus in the parkin' lot

In a panic the reverend Dr. White
called up an ex-member that hadn't lived right
he owned Joe's beer joint right across the fence
it's the same Joe's he'd preached against...

He said, "I don't really want to be a hypocrite,
but I got a Sunday school class about to have fits.
We're all excited about revival week,
and moved by the spirit, so to speak.

With all the souls we saved and money we spent,
we thought God told us to sell that tent...
I got a famous evangelist supposed to come
and done run out of chairs, will you loan us some?"

Joe says, "Well you can just use the whole dang place...
A-9 on the jukebox is "Amazing Grace"
I ain't supposed to open because of them 'blue laws'
but I'll open tonight if it's alright with y'all."

Preacher said, "Well, I reckon it'd be OK,
the good Lord works in mysterious ways.
I was gonna talk about Joshua, Judges and Ruth
and I reckon I could do it from the DJ booth."

At the First Baptist Bar and Grill
it's the only church in the bible belt
that smells like a whiskey still...
when the sinners finish one more round,
we'll have dinner on the ground,
then go inside and pray we don't get killed.

The evangelist came with a well-dressed choir,
they showed up around happy hour,
looked around the joint and didn't take it real well...
said, "The White ministry has gone to hell"

Ms. Mills that taught youth Sunday school
and two deacons in the back room shootin' pool
were sharin' the Lord with a Jim Beam rep
who was teachin' Ms. Mills some line dance steps...

Reverend White was readin' from the book of Luke
to a tall, drunk trucker about to puke
he had John 3:16 memorized
tryin' to dry him out to get him baptized...

The evangelist yelled about the lights and the beer
said, "White, you can't save any souls in here...
this place ain't nothin' but a den of sin...
ain't the kind of place Baptists ought to be in!"

Preacher said, "Well we don't really need y'all here
You didn't do a very good job last year,
you only saved one sinner, that's Todd McGuire,
the little SOB that set my church on fire!"

"Joe's beer joint has done been revived,
only been here an hour, and I done saved five.
Sure, it's got mirrors and a big dance floor,
but I finally found the flock God called me for."

They're at the First Baptist Bar and Grill
it's the only church in the bible belt that smells like a whiskey still not a stained glass window anywhere in site,
just a blood-stained floor and neon lights,
and the communion wine in here is always chilled.

We're here every Sunday; we're livin' large;
We're the only church with a cover charge.
And if you don't like our doctrine and think we ain't devout,
we'll have our bouncer throw your butt out ...
of the First Baptist Bar and Grill
 
2008-11-21 04:03:43 AM  
If they added a couple of stipper poles, membership would probably double!

/Maybe I should get ordained and start my own church.....
 
2008-11-21 04:04:35 AM  
You've got to believe in something.
I believe I'll have another beer.
 
2008-11-21 04:07:31 AM  
My grandpa calls the bottle opener a church key.

He drinks alot.

Then he gets mad.

Then he hits me.

He's funny.
 
2008-11-21 04:09:30 AM  
Can't religous services be classified as "live entertainment"?
 
2008-11-21 04:09:54 AM  
you need a permit for religious services? why is it different from any other gathering?
 
2008-11-21 04:11:50 AM  
YoggiSothoth Holy smokes! Praise God! About sometime a fellow farker was embracing Jesus!

You're a god-damned buzz kill.
 
2008-11-21 04:22:47 AM  
YoggiSothoth: Amsterdamaged: Approves
First miracle don'tchaknow.

Holy smokes! Praise God! About sometime a fellow farker was embracing Jesus!


i398.photobucket.com

I was talking about the Guinness draught cans. It's a miracle that you can have a draught at home nowadays isn't it?
My stars what will they think of next.
 
2008-11-21 04:49:00 AM  
"...a great disturbance in East County, as if millions of democrats cried out in anger and were suddenly silenced"
 
2008-11-21 05:29:59 AM  
I can understand the need for an occupancy permit.
As for the beer, if God don't want us to have alcohol, he wouldn't have turned water to wine.
 
2008-11-21 06:04:20 AM  
Religion is the intoxicant of the masses, after all.
 
2008-11-21 06:25:16 AM  
www.nobeliefs.com

Top seller
 
2008-11-21 06:26:29 AM  
I don't see what the problem is/was. Church services are live entertainment, right?
 
2008-11-21 06:28:17 AM  
Javacrucian: The First Baptist Bar and Grill

Blah blah blah...what is this Youtube thing you speak of


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myMq4dA2uS4
 
2008-11-21 06:30:04 AM  
Everything I need to know about Christianity I learned on 9/11.
 
2008-11-21 06:41:52 AM  
em what?
 
2008-11-21 07:06:09 AM  
nhkenn: yeah, but try to open a bar in a location zoned for a church and see what happens.

I'll tell you what happens.

Church Brew Works, that's what happens.
 
2008-11-21 07:06:55 AM  
Well okay... police can beat & force communion on a Driver apprehended for outstanding traffic violations?

Link (new window)

www.click2houston.com
 
2008-11-21 07:11:23 AM  
Jesus was a mean drunk.
 
2008-11-21 07:23:01 AM  
San Diego has a similar rule for shul in a school.
 
2008-11-21 07:24:10 AM  
or Zoroastrians in a Barbeque.
 
2008-11-21 07:51:11 AM  
Do they have communion?
 
2008-11-21 07:59:30 AM  
VTSquire: dnrtfa, but despite being non-religious myself, I hope I'm not the only one slightly perturbed by the idea that you would need a permit to worship.

Not what the article says.

It comes down to this, if you are going to have a church that has major use: you need it to be up to code so you don't kill everyone in it, and you need it to be zoned properly. From what it looks like, the church didn't want to apply for rezoning because it would cost them money to fix the things that were wrong with the church and for the rezoning itself. But the rezoning only fair, it's the best way to keep things that could create a lot of noise from things that don't like that (eg. No commerical dog kennels in a residental neighborhood).

so to sum up, no it doesn't say you need to apply for permit to worship.
 
2008-11-21 08:02:05 AM  
pedobearapproved: But the rezoning rezoning's only fair, it's the best way to keep things that could create a lot of noise from things that don't like that (eg. No commerical dog kennels in a residental neighborhood).


FTFM

I must be smoking crack tonight
 
2008-11-21 08:16:36 AM  
Don't pray in my bar,
And I won't drink in your church.
 
MSD
2008-11-21 08:19:30 AM  
"I'm pretty ecstatic," said Stan Peterson, a Guatay carpet cleaner who serves as pastor for the congregation of about 80. "(The county) had no right to keep us out for almost six months."
It's reasonable to let them use the space, but to whine like this and sue because they didn't let you have ~80 people regularly meet in a building with eight major safety code violation is ridiculous. God doesn't seem do a whole lot to save people from burning or collapsing buildings these days.
 
2008-11-21 08:27:54 AM  
"You need to follow the same rules as everyone else"

"But, but..... We're a church. What do you have against God?"

"Technically, you want to be a non-profit bar. You applied for a liquor license"

"We're just a simple church, we can't afford to file the proper forms"

"You have 7 major safety violations. People could die."

"God will protect them, stop persecuting us!"



Sound about right?
 
2008-11-21 08:33:24 AM  
DslainteC: My town had an LCBO (liquor store) that closed when they moved to a newer, bigger location. The old location was turned into a church.

Either they're obsessed with the resurrection or there must be some leftover Canadian whiskey in there because all you hear from them is "Rise Again!" Or perhaps that's, "Rye's again."


I can top this.
There is a Adult Novelty store outside Harrisburg, Illinois that used to be a fundamentalist Church. Be fore the it was a bar. It is one of my wife and my favorite because of that. It makes the sinning even worse.
 
2008-11-21 08:38:51 AM  
Javacrucian: The First Baptist Bar and Grill


Well, the church burned down and no one knew
what Pentecost Baptist was gonna do
the Sunday brimstone got so dadgum hot
it burned up a church bus in the parkin' lot

. . .



Thank You Javacrucian, I can see my work here has already been done.

/All the funnier when you realize it's closer to the ministry of Jesus (as shown in the Bible) then what 99% or so of the TV ministers and mega-churches do
//Hookers and Tax-collectors FTW!
 
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