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(CNN)   UAW to Congress: Get a deal done. Taxpayers to UAW: Eat a dick   ( money.cnn.com) divider line
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2008-11-20 01:40:49 PM  
Economy to taxpayers: Have a nice depression, then.

You free-market shills need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.
 
2008-11-20 01:40:55 PM  
Good.
 
2008-11-20 01:43:05 PM  

tchamber: Economy to taxpayers: Have a nice depression, then.

You free-market shills need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.


Maybe a depression is just what this country needs?

We're soft. We can't compete in a global market. We think everything is owed to us. Maybe we need a kick in the balls to wake 75% of this country up.
 
2008-11-20 01:46:58 PM  
Good.
 
2008-11-20 01:47:07 PM  
BIG 3 to congress: We're f*cking retooling for the future of the electric drive train, gm-volt, ect., chill the f*ck out. Yeah, so we're 5 years to late, but we're trying and shiat.
 
2008-11-20 01:48:58 PM  
You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?
 
2008-11-20 01:52:58 PM  
tchamber: what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?

Um yeah. Goodbye plug in hybrid. Hello Depression. If congress doesn't bail these guys out I'll be pissed. I'm on the waiting list for the volt.
 
2008-11-20 01:52:59 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


Yes. We do.
 
2008-11-20 01:57:55 PM  
What are you guys worried about if they go down? There will be plenty of jobs building new roads and bridges.
 
2008-11-20 01:57:57 PM  
Ask not what the country can do for the UAW. Ask what the UAW can do for the country!
 
2008-11-20 01:58:29 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


I'll bet my doctorate in economics that I do understand the consequences better than you do. Do YOU understand the consequences of propping this failed industry up for another decade?

The Big 3 should try Chapter 11 to see if they can reorganize to be competitive. However, as long as they harbor the Detroit mentality, I rather doubt that they will. If this turns out to be the case, they need to be liquidated in Chapter 7, and the parts that are worth something should be sold off.

Silicon Valley should be the center of the U.S. auto industry.
 
2008-11-20 01:58:58 PM  
Also, looks like they've reached a bipartisan deal anyway (new window). They're not as dumb as they look.

Press conference at 2:30pm
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2008-11-20 01:59:38 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


You really have no idea that every single member of the UAW is grossly overpaid, do you? If they're that concerned, they need to start more time making serious wage concessions, and less time telling us what we need to do.
 
2008-11-20 02:00:33 PM  
submitter: UAW to congress: Get a deal done. Taxpayers to UAW: Eat a dick Suck a lemon. You've built hundreds of thousands.

fify.
 
2008-11-20 02:00:53 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


Yes. It will be something different than the obviously wrong thing that has been going on and on and on for the past forever. If something doesn't work, you try something different. And if that doesn't work, you try again.

If you have any sports knowledge, than you can equate this to the Yankees. Throwing money around hasn't helped them at all, and so far, they don't seem to want to try something different. Tampa, on the other hand, tried something different. It took some time, and right now, it seems to be working pretty well.
 
2008-11-20 02:02:36 PM  

jbc: You really have no idea that every single member of the UAW is grossly overpaid, do you?


Broadbrush much?
 
2008-11-20 02:03:33 PM  

bronyaur1: I'll bet my doctorate in economics that I do understand the consequences better than you do.


Well, EXCUSE me.
 
2008-11-20 02:04:50 PM  
THEY ARE TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT and revolutionizing the electric drive train. GM is the only company that had the balls on the front line actually trying to make a production electric vehicle.

Yes the Tesla is nice from Silicon Valley. They've made 6. Congrats.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2008-11-20 02:05:02 PM  

tchamber: Broadbrush much?


Have an example of just one who isn't?
 
2008-11-20 02:09:40 PM  
i'd be more supportive of the UAW in this if they didn't just announce that they are going to refuse to make any concessions in any deal that does get made.

so basically, work with us or go fark yourselves.
 
2008-11-20 02:10:05 PM  
Insurance_EE_guy: THEY ARE TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT and revolutionizing the electric drive train. GM is the only company that had the balls on the front line actually trying to make a production electric vehicle.

Just as long as everyone realizes that plug-in electric results in more pollution elsewhere, it's fine with me.
 
2008-11-20 02:11:36 PM  

Insurance_EE_guy: Yes the Tesla is nice from Silicon Valley. They've made 6. Congrats.


GM has made zero.
 
2008-11-20 02:16:24 PM  
pandabear: plug-in electric results in more pollution elsewhere

In the next 10-20 years the grid will be powered with more and more wind and solar. And we won't be transferring our wealth to Nermal's new nation.

The next 20 years of the auto industry will look absolutely nothing like the past 20.
 
2008-11-20 02:17:37 PM  

jbc: You really have no idea that every single member of the UAW is grossly overpaid, do you? If they're that concerned, they need to start more time making serious wage concessions, and less time telling us what we need to do.


And they fly all over the country begging for money in their private jets...
 
2008-11-20 02:20:04 PM  
This is just fascinating to watch.

Is this how Nero felt?
 
2008-11-20 02:20:54 PM  

tchamber: Economy to taxpayers: Have a nice depression, then.

You free-market shills need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.


Show me how letting the Big 3 rot on the vine causes a national depression.
 
2008-11-20 02:20:58 PM  
I say let them crash (UAW and big 3 both)
 
2008-11-20 02:21:04 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


Yes, we do. You have no understanding of what the UAW has done and wants to continue to do to the industry, do you?
 
2008-11-20 02:21:37 PM  
Sure, banks and financial services companies can be bailed out, along with the auto manufacturers...but what about John Q. Public?
 
2008-11-20 02:21:47 PM  

Oldiron_79: I say let them crash (UAW and big 3 both)


They knew what they were getting into.
 
2008-11-20 02:21:49 PM  
I'm usually pretty pro-union but the amount of entitlement the UAW feels is farking mind boggling. I don't think it's just a case of the UAW wanting too much vs. GM/Ford/Chrysler mismanagement, I think it's just a case of dumbass on both sides. Giving any of them a multi-billion dollar loan will keep them going, yeah, but the dumbass will still be there and we'll have to bail them out again.
 
2008-11-20 02:22:09 PM  
There are Toyota, Honda, BMW, and Mercedes plants in the USA, and they aren't asking for anything. Difference - non-union.
 
2008-11-20 02:22:16 PM  

MrKraclenutz: tchamber: Economy to taxpayers: Have a nice depression, then.

You free-market shills need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.

Maybe a depression is just what this country needs?

We're soft. We can't compete in a global market. We think everything is owed to us. Maybe we need a kick in the balls to wake 75% of this country up.farking this

 
2008-11-20 02:22:23 PM  

Insurance_EE_guy: pandabear: plug-in electric results in more pollution elsewhere

In the next 10-20 years the grid will be powered with more and more wind and solar. And we won't be transferring our wealth to Nermal's new nation.

The next 20 years of the auto industry will look absolutely nothing like the past 20.


This I disagree with. We might see the beginnings of true change in 10 years but it will still be very recognizable in 20.
 
2008-11-20 02:22:30 PM  
The Senate just said they want an accountability plan before they give them any money

Link (pops)
 
2008-11-20 02:22:32 PM  
Execs of these companies need to start taking massive cuts. UAW needs to stop pretending like the nickel and dime work they do is worth $20. Then, maybe these companies will start being able to sell a lot of cars at a cheaper rate and still make a profit.
 
2008-11-20 02:22:48 PM  

bronyaur1: I'll bet my doctorate in economics that I do understand the consequences better than you do. Do YOU understand the consequences of propping this failed industry up for another decade?



Education and informed discourse have no place on Fark. Shame on you for trying to bring them here.
 
2008-11-20 02:22:58 PM  

GaryPDX: What are you guys worried about if they go down? There will be plenty of jobs building new roads and bridges.


Cool, I can drive my Accord over them. It's not engineered by rhesus monkeys like the last 3 American POS lemons I got stuck with.

Funny how you guys who whine about "socialism" are %100 behind SOCIALISTIC POLICIES.
 
2008-11-20 02:23:04 PM  

tchamber: Economy to taxpayers: Have a nice depression, then.

You free-market shills need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.


Bailing out a bloated union laden business is not the answer though.

I heard a good plan though, if the unions are so serious about helping lets see how sincere they are, let them take some of their huge pension funds to invest in their business. That will make them part owners and you will see how farking serious they are to save their jobs.

My bet is they would say fark no, now give us free money.
 
2008-11-20 02:23:04 PM  

Insurance_EE_guy: THEY ARE TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT and revolutionizing the electric drive train. GM is the only company that had the balls on the front line actually trying to make a production electric vehicle.

Yes the Tesla is nice from Silicon Valley. They've made 6. Congrats.


How many working Chevy Volts are there right now?
 
2008-11-20 02:23:08 PM  
Fark the UAW and the CAW. If they didn't make such shiatty cars they wouldn't be in trouble. If they're not willing to make any sacrifices themselves, don't expect the tax payers to pick up the tab.

Let the big 3 collapse, then pick up the pieces.
 
2008-11-20 02:23:25 PM  
Congress has alreay approved 25B for the auto indistry to retool.
The Bush administration wants to relax the rules to allow them to use this money to operate instead of giving them an additional 25B for operating expenses. I don't see this as the Bush administration 'letting the auto industry fail'. They are getting the money they need in the short term and will probably get more to retool in the near future.
 
2008-11-20 02:23:32 PM  

bronyaur1: The Big 3 should try Chapter 11 to see if they can reorganize to be competitive.


This.

/UAW isn't going to like Chapter 11
 
2008-11-20 02:23:41 PM  

tchamber: Economy to taxpayers: Have a nice depression, then.

You free-market shills need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.


Common sense to douchebag: If some companies, especially the overweighted and mismanaged auto industry are going to fail, we're not going to throw any more money at it. fark the auto makers, they're part of the problem. Good farking riddance. An economic slowdown will cut off the useless chaff from our economy.

Throwing cash at the problem won't fix it; it will only encourage the wastes of space to keep right on operating their failed businesses. They'll run them right into the ground, but I'm not gonna help them stay alive six months longer.
 
2008-11-20 02:23:54 PM  
That whole private jet incident yesterday made me realize that this is an issue that both sides of the aisle can agree upon. Hearing a democrat ream them was wonderful.
 
2008-11-20 02:24:02 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


My guess: We lose one, the others buy up the IP and rights to their old stuff pretty cheap, factories and equipment too. Or Toyota buy's their assets. Something like that.

It's not like the market for vehicles has collapsed entirely. There's just too many players and too much wasteful spending for them to make a profit at it right now.
 
2008-11-20 02:24:08 PM  
I do tech work for the VP (and crew) of the East Coast HQ.

Bunch of corrupt slimbags. I have never seem scum like these.

Racist (they fired all the black people in their office and hired white people to take their place) lying (goes without saying I've caught them several times on that) porn addicts (I repeatedly have to clean off the president's PC of scum he's picked up, while surfing for porn during work. And he's not apoligetic either)

Hate them all, let's fail and fade away.

Corrupt bastards
 
2008-11-20 02:24:10 PM  

tchamber: You guys really have absolutely no understanding of what will happen if the US auto industry is allowed to collapse, do you?


Something similar to allowing the wagon industry to collapse? Or the oil lantern industry? How about the buggy whip industry?

The unions bled the industry white, the industry ignored emerging technology. So the unions want the industry to get a bailout so that there members can be paid more and more for doing less and less. The industry wants to get bailed out so that they can make some token change in their marketing strategy and lurch on to the next catastrophe.

Both sides are firmly entrenched in the early 20th century.
 
2008-11-20 02:24:14 PM  
"If there's no action, we could see the collapse of one or more domestic auto companies of my bonuses by the end of year."
 
2008-11-20 02:24:18 PM  

Insurance_EE_guy: THEY ARE TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT and revolutionizing the electric drive train. GM is the only company that had the balls on the front line actually trying to make a production electric vehicle.

Yes the Tesla is nice from Silicon Valley. They've made 6. Congrats.


well, technically, the NUUMI plant in Fremont is sort of in silicon valley. it's where the corollas and tacomas come from.
 
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