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(Zogby)   Only two percent of Obama voters correctly answered all questions in a post election test. Eighty six percent of them knew about Sarah Palin's $150,000 wardrobe   (zogby.com) divider line 270
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2008-11-18 04:39:08 PM
Gangway Fathead: Yeah, listen - Obama didn't say anything about bankrupting the farking coal industry. What he said was clear and tough, but nothing about bankrupting a farking industry.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."


And who do you suppose will charge them the huge sum that will bankrupt them?
 
2008-11-18 04:39:35 PM
To be fair, who the hell would CARE about a "post-election test?"

Muthaf*cka WON!!!~!
 
2008-11-18 04:41:27 PM
Gangway Fathead: 88% did not correctly associate Obama with his statement that his energy policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry.


Yeah, listen - Obama didn't say anything about bankrupting the farking coal industry. What he said was clear and tough, but nothing about bankrupting a farking industry.

the pro-pollution crowd must eat lead paint chips or something.


Yeah, it's actually a requirement to be a member, that and dumping extra flouride in the drinking water.

/Not a member
//Have a friend . . .
 
2008-11-18 04:41:41 PM
GoldSpider: And who do you suppose will charge them the huge sum that will bankrupt them?

So, that's not talking about the industry and instead talking about someone building a new coal-powered plant, right?

And, if you had grabbed the entire quote, it'd be even clear. And, if you looked at the policies that he was talking about, you'd see that old plants would be grandfathered in and he's speaking directly about building new plants outside of the guidelines he hopes to set up.

But you knew that already.
 
2008-11-18 04:42:05 PM
TheDumbBlonde: Let me look up the data from veteran's affairs.

Knock yourself out.

I don't know how many died in Kosovo off the top of may head.

Translation: I have no effing clue, but will imply it's a big, ugly number.

Go look it up. We'll wait for your discovery, which you aren't going to find bolsters your pathetic case.
 
2008-11-18 04:42:15 PM
Shostie: Guy Innagorillasuit: You lost, get over it.

Let them whine. The left has been whining for the last 8 years. Now they get their time to bask in the sun and the right gets to whine for the next 4-8 years.


Yes. And it is amazing how similar they sound. Guess that's what holds us together--both sides of the isle whine at the same pitch.
 
2008-11-18 04:42:50 PM
TheDumbBlonde:

Who deployed soldiers to Somalia?

George HW Bush.

And by your logic we can blame Clinton for 9/11/01? You're certainly not implying that?

I hope you weren't comparing the 18 US soldier killed in battle to the 3000+ civilians killed at work.


If you don't know the difference between a military conflict and a terrorist attack, you might be a Republican.
 
2008-11-18 04:43:21 PM
I thought this was interesting...

...then I saw the list of questions.
 
2008-11-18 04:43:29 PM
vernonFL: 3. Which candidate said they could see Russia from their house?

Palin


Stop accepting "facts" from snarky pictures on Fark.
 
2008-11-18 04:45:03 PM
This survey is pointless. Fact: RON PAUL supporters are the stupidest.
 
2008-11-18 04:45:07 PM
DoctorCal: I don't know how many died in Kosovo off the top of may head.

I do.

Two. And that was in an accident before it started- in a truck, or a helicopter, I believe.
 
2008-11-18 04:45:31 PM
bulldg4life: And, if you looked at the policies that he was talking about, you'd see that old plants would be grandfathered in and he's speaking directly about building new plants outside of the guidelines he hopes to set up.

In other words, "Read my lips, no new coal plants". Do these "clean" coal plants he talks so much about even exist? If he wants "clean" energy, why no push for nuclear energy?
 
2008-11-18 04:45:48 PM
 
2008-11-18 04:47:06 PM
Lundah: But, I do think it's funny that you take that position in regards to people responding to politics threads given your consistent indifference to either candidate.

Who said I was indifferent? I said I didn't like McCain (v. 08, anyway. McCain v. 00 was great), and I really didn't like Obama, and I voted accordingly. Oh, you said I was indifferent.
 
2008-11-18 04:48:05 PM
There are idiots on both sides.
Left: in the article.
Right: thought Obama is Muslim, Arab.
 
2008-11-18 04:49:19 PM
sad
www.terencechang.com
 
2008-11-18 04:50:13 PM
what_now: I do.

Two. And that was in an accident before it started- in a truck, or a helicopter, I believe.


You're pretty close.
 
2008-11-18 04:51:08 PM
DoctorCal: what_now: I do.

Two. And that was in an accident before it started- in a truck, or a helicopter, I believe.

You're pretty close.


What was the actual number?
 
2008-11-18 04:51:11 PM
img512.imageshack.us

I'll just leave this here.
 
2008-11-18 04:51:11 PM
Mercutio74: I thought this was interesting...

...then I saw the list of questions.


Yeah, especially the first one: "Which party currently controls Congress" is a real toughie.
 
2008-11-18 04:51:25 PM
GoldSpider: Gangway Fathead: Yeah, listen - Obama didn't say anything about bankrupting the farking coal industry. What he said was clear and tough, but nothing about bankrupting a farking industry.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

And who do you suppose will charge them the huge sum that will bankrupt them?


GoldSpider: Gangway Fathead: Yeah, listen - Obama didn't say anything about bankrupting the farking coal industry. What he said was clear and tough, but nothing about bankrupting a farking industry.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

And who do you suppose will charge them the huge sum that will bankrupt them?


Even running with just your out-of-context quotation there: how would this preclude the possibility of clean-coal technologies? In other words, how does a greenhouse gas tax bankrupt coal if you can substantially mitigate the amount of greenhouse gasses being produced by coal burning?
 
2008-11-18 04:52:04 PM
Ghost Rider: Yeah, especially the first one: "Which party currently controls Congress" is a real toughie.

I can tell you which party has the majority. As far as who's in control, that's a bit fuzzy.
 
2008-11-18 04:52:49 PM
DoctorCal: what_now: I do.

Two. And that was in an accident before it started- in a truck, or a helicopter, I believe.

You're pretty close.


Bah, hell. You're quite right. I was thinking there was also a passenger on the AH-64, in addition to the pilots.
 
2008-11-18 04:53:26 PM
Lundah: As far as who's in control, that's a bit fuzzy.

$$$ Lobbyists.
 
2008-11-18 04:54:41 PM
Here's how this call should have gone, 100% of the time:

Zogby: Before this past election, which political party controlled both houses of congress?
Respondent: Democrats?
Z: Which candidate could not say-
R: I'm gonna stop you right there, Sparky. It's apparent to me that you, a "respected" polling organization, do not own calendars, have never read the US Constitution, and would have serious trouble locating your anus (even provided a map). In the US of A, we hold quadrennial elections for the Presidency/VP and certain seats in the Federal Legislature (among other electoral concerns). This "election process" involves a lengthy campaign, but culminates on the first Tuesday of November in those years (you may recall the hubbub surrounding 4 November of this year). Once the election has been run and certified, the people have chosen their president (and veep, and Congresscritters, etc) - let no other American rend it asunder. *click*
Z: Which candidate said they could see Russia from their house?
 
2008-11-18 04:54:46 PM
DoctorCal: I was thinking there was also a passenger on the AH-64, in addition to the pilots.

So...a helicopter? I deduced that from my sterling knowledge of all things military...
 
2008-11-18 04:54:59 PM
BuckTurgidson: exick: For the record, these are the questions asked:


9. Which candidate claimed to have campaigned in 57 states?

None of them. Barack Obama, once, said "57" when he clearly meant "47", and later corrected himself.

10. Which candidate said their policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?

None of them.

11. Which candidate said that the government should redistribute the wealth?

None of them.

12. Which candidate started their political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground?

None of them.


Hate to break it to you but 10 - 12 was Obama, and those ones you answered none of them too were still Obama. Wording of the questions might have been a little cruel, but it doesn't change the answer. Sorry, thanks for playing,
 
2008-11-18 04:55:20 PM
you KNOW it's a push-poll when they have a BS explanation why it isn't right in the middle of it. i don't care what john zogby thinks of his own poll, if he only asked and reported questions of obama voters, it's inherently a slanted poll. how did mccain supporters answer--more or less informed? how well do mccain supporters know THEIR own candidate as compared to how well they know THEIR opposition's dirt?

the says proves people are uninformed, and slants it to say that only obama voters are uninformed, leaving mccain voters happily unmentioned.
 
2008-11-18 04:56:14 PM
TheDumbBlonde: what_now: TheDumbBlonde: This administration is just Clinton Re-Dux.

Damn, I hated those 8 years of peace and prosperity. That SUCKED!

Yeh, all those terrorists bombings, higher taxes and scandals were awesome.


As opposed to the worst terrorist attacks, the abysmal economy, and the worst scandals of the recent president?
 
2008-11-18 04:56:15 PM
what_now: So...a helicopter? I deduced that from my sterling knowledge of all things military...

Yep.

You can see why one wouldn't want to return to that terrible time. ;-)
 
2008-11-18 04:56:20 PM
The inmates are now running the asylum. The dumbing down of America is pretty complete.
 
2008-11-18 04:57:32 PM
what_now: If you don't know the difference between a military conflict and a terrorist attack, you might be a Republican.

But both parties do tend to blur the distinction, so I'm not sure what your point is...
 
2008-11-18 04:57:44 PM
GoldSpider: bulldg4life: And, if you looked at the policies that he was talking about, you'd see that old plants would be grandfathered in and he's speaking directly about building new plants outside of the guidelines he hopes to set up.

In other words, "Read my lips, no new coal plants". Do these "clean" coal plants he talks so much about even exist? If he wants "clean" energy, why no push for nuclear energy?


The question says "Which candidate said their policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?"

Now, you may or may not be right that clean coal technology is technically infeasible. You may or may not be right that a greenhouse gas tax will bankrupt the coal industry. That's entirely beside the point.

The question wasn't "which candidate's policy's does GoldSpider think will lead to the coal industry being bankrupt" the question was "which candidate said that their policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry."

Now--did Obama say that his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry? No. He didn't. The poll is, therefore, both stupid and dishonest, and has completely stripped away what tattered remnants of credibility Zogby had left.
 
2008-11-18 04:57:57 PM
Obiwontaun: BuckTurgidson: exick: For the record, these are the questions asked:


9. Which candidate claimed to have campaigned in 57 states?

None of them. Barack Obama, once, said "57" when he clearly meant "47", and later corrected himself.

10. Which candidate said their policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?

None of them.

11. Which candidate said that the government should redistribute the wealth?

None of them.

12. Which candidate started their political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground?

None of them.

Hate to break it to you but 10 - 12 was Obama, and those ones you answered none of them too were still Obama. Wording of the questions might have been a little cruel, but it doesn't change the answer. Sorry, thanks for playing,


Uh, no. Obama said that he would bankrupt someone trying to build a coal plant that made no attempt to make use of clean coal technology.
 
2008-11-18 04:58:00 PM
bulldg4life: TheDumbBlonde: Calling someone braindead is clever. Very clever. You've not answered my questioning the "peace" during the Clinton administration. It was hardly peaceful. It was hardly prosperous all those people that staked everything to startup their own tech companies. It wasn't sunshine and lollipops.

I'm sorry, but what metric are you using to state that the Bush Administration was more successful and better for this country than the Clinton Administration? Are you just pulling this out of thin air because it fits your partisan comments?

There's no reasonable assessment that would say that is true. None, whatsoever.

And, you never asked me a question about the peace during the Clinton era. In fact, I already said (minus a typo) that "obviously, the 90s weren't a glorious time of great peace and prosperity for everybody".

But, to try and disparage some future Obama Administration as "just another Clinton Administration" is ridiculous at its base considering (by any reasonable metric) the Clinton Administration was, in many ways, better than the Bush Administration.

I mean, you're essentially saying "Man, if Jason Garrett becomes the Cowboys coach...it'd just be Jimmy Johnson all over again" because you believe Wade Phillips did a better job than Jimmy Johnson.

It's just a damn stupid statement.


Same could have been said about Mccain being a Bush third term
 
2008-11-18 04:59:24 PM
Ghost Rider: Yeah, especially the first one: "Which party currently controls Congress" is a real toughie.

And open to interpretation.
 
2008-11-18 04:59:55 PM
Snot Monster from Outer Space: In other words, how does a greenhouse gas tax bankrupt coal if you can substantially mitigate the amount of greenhouse gasses being produced by coal burning?

And I asked the other guy if the technology to build such a plant exists today, and at a reasonable cost.
 
2008-11-18 05:02:33 PM
GoldSpider: Snot Monster from Outer Space: In other words, how does a greenhouse gas tax bankrupt coal if you can substantially mitigate the amount of greenhouse gasses being produced by coal burning?

And I asked the other guy if the technology to build such a plant exists today, and at a reasonable cost.


And I pointed out to you that it was utterly irrelevant to the question at hand. Then I had a nice cool drink. And I farted.

Further updates as events warrant.
 
2008-11-18 05:02:35 PM
ramathorn83: Got all of 'em right.

/Did not vote for Obama


So it looks like you got one wrong then. Oh, and the misinformed populace is nothing new, most Americans throughout history have been misinformed as to the specifics of candidates' views and opinions, with their ideas inconsistent over time. This applies to most Americans regardless of party affiliation and in every era of American history.
 
2008-11-18 05:04:19 PM
So aping lame Jay Leno skits is all the conservatives have left. Good show.
 
2008-11-18 05:06:21 PM
Obiwontaun: Hate to break it to you but 10 - 12 was Obama, and those ones you answered none of them too were still Obama. Wording of the questions might have been a little cruel, but it doesn't change the answer. Sorry, thanks for playing,

hate to break it to you but you are wrong.
 
2008-11-18 05:07:21 PM
Obiwontaun: Same could have been said about Mccain being a Bush third term

Well, there's a slight bit of difference. The comment about Obama being another Clinton Administration is silly because the Clinton years weren't that bad. There were problems, as there would be in any administration, but he had a high approval rating. And, during the Clinton years, the United States didn't do too bad.

The idiocy with the statement that was made is because it is made as a denouncement of a future Obama administration as bad or somehow worse than what we've seen over the past 8 years.

That's just plain silly.
 
2008-11-18 05:11:47 PM
bulldg4life: The comment about Obama being another Clinton Administration is silly because the Clinton years weren't that bad.

Maybe they didn't seem as extreme as the Bush years, but yeah, they were bad.

Clinton had a golden opportunity, much like Obama, to do business differently, and then came the waffle parade, starting with the fizzling of the ban on gays in the military, heading over into Somalia, NAFTA, bombing a Sudan aspirin factory, giving incredible tax breaks to the rich, fluffing the coffers of big business, half-assed social programs (which DIDN'T even touch on healthcare), the War on Drugs, bombing Bosnia...

Clinton might not have been the arrogant ass Bush was, but he definitely set precedents for abuses of the military and also set the stage to spy on American citizenry with the ECHELON program.

Clinton damaged this country.
 
2008-11-18 05:14:06 PM
exick: For the record, these are the questions asked:

1. Before this past election, which political party controlled both houses of congress?
2. Which candidate could not say how many houses they own?
3. Which candidate said they could see Russia from their house?
4. Which candidate had to quit a previous political campaign because they were found to have plagiarized a speech?
5. Which candidate won their first election by getting all of their opponents kicked off the ballot?
6. Which candidate wore clothes that their political party reportedly spent $150,000 on?
7. Which candidate currently has a pregnant teenage daughter?
8. Which candidate said that Obama would be tested in his first six months as president by a generated international crisis?
9. Which candidate claimed to have campaigned in 57 states?
10. Which candidate said their policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket?
11. Which candidate said that the government should redistribute the wealth?
12. Which candidate started their political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground?


Wow those questions are ripe with bias. All of them are negative, but they are slanted heavily against Barack and Joe.

Also, who the fark cares about the answers to them? Almost all of them are either slander/talking points or directly from campaign commercials. I knew the answers to all but 1, but honestly that's just because I read Fark where people rant for hours about such inane bullshiat.

Really, I would consider it a badge of honor not to know the answers to any of those questions because it would infer that you don't troll the internet and don't watch Fox News.
 
2008-11-18 05:16:07 PM
whidbey: bombing a Sudan aspirin factory

Hannity, is that you?
 
2008-11-18 05:16:38 PM
11. Which candidate said that the government should redistribute the wealth?

Obama never said this. At least not "redistribute," anyway.

/that's for the freepers lurking here
 
2008-11-18 05:18:17 PM
timmy_the_tooth: Obiwontaun: Hate to break it to you but 10 - 12 was Obama, and those ones you answered none of them too were still Obama. Wording of the questions might have been a little cruel, but it doesn't change the answer. Sorry, thanks for playing,

Hate to break it to you - but you're wrong.
 
2008-11-18 05:18:30 PM
Atillathepun: whidbey: bombing a Sudan aspirin factory

Hannity, is that you?


*shrugs*

So you're just going to give Clinton a free pass on that one, are you?

Nevermind how many innocents died either in the blast or because the medicine supply got cut off, nevermind that he had zero-to-no authorization to use force, nevermind any of it.

Clinton Doctrine! FTW.
 
2008-11-18 05:18:49 PM
Zogby was right once this year already. They met their quota.
 
2008-11-18 05:20:17 PM
whidbey: Nevermind how many innocents died either in the blast or because the medicine supply got cut off, nevermind that he had zero-to-no authorization to use force, nevermind any of it.

Clinton Doctrine! FTW.


I wont give him a pass by any means on it. That was wrong.
So is invading the wrong country though.
 
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