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(news observer)   The biggest drain on American productivity may be Microsoft's computer Solitaire game.   (newsobserver.com ) divider line
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Ant
2003-01-10 11:35:44 AM  
But if we rid ourselves of M$ bloatware and used a more secure and stable OS like linux, RedHat, OS X, or BeOS we would be much better off.

People at my company can barely use Windows. I shudder to think what they'd do if they had to use Linux
 
2003-01-10 11:38:22 AM  
Necro-99: I agree.
 
2003-01-10 11:39:10 AM  
Each month I have to reinstruct folks how to do things like delete files or make e-mail attachments on regular simple WIN platforms.

I'd hate to imagine them awk'ing and grep'ing and vi'ing all over the place.
 
2003-01-10 11:42:23 AM  
Rogue7
I'm not saying everyone should quit, just those who have a problem with the situation.

I have no doubt most of the execs are useless and do not earn their extra pay but if you live somewhere where the salaries are $13/hr. for your job but you can't afford to live the way you want, like in a $200K house, you need to either:
1. Get a better job - whatever that takes - training, some initiative, etc.
2. Move to where things are cheaper. There are always areas where the salaries are identical but housing, etc. is cheaper.

Not to defend overpaid executives but it makes more sense from a stockholder point of view to pay 100 people $75,000 when they are worth $40K than to pay 1000 people $10,000 more per year. $3,500,000 vs. $10,000,000 if you don't want to do the math.
 
2003-01-10 11:46:02 AM  
Our company policy bans the use of Outlook Express and Internet Explorer. it's an easy way to prevent the automatic spreading of viruses.
 
2003-01-10 11:48:43 AM  
People at my company can barely use Windows.

Extremely scary, especially when you figure that Windows XP looks like it was made for farking pre-schoolers.
 
Bf+
2003-01-10 11:51:26 AM  
Umm, what about the new yourk times crossword puzzle?
(Its been around longer)
 
2003-01-10 11:52:46 AM  
This game definitely beats the Windows version by far...

http://www.omarsclub.com/solitaire/
(DEFINITELY NSFW!)

Ah, p0rn solitaire, what a class way to waste time!
They've also got p0rn Tetris too! sheesh!
 
2003-01-10 11:52:51 AM  
The ranks of the poor are swelling, and the cost of caring for them burdens the middle class. The coffers mega-corporations are swelling, giving them the power and influence to be ruthless in the name of yet more profit.

My friend works in the Engineering Dept. at a local power company, where they recently instituted a micro-mangaging punch-clock system that forces him to account for EVERY MINUTE of activity, down to what specific drawing he was working on. Things like that are the obvious precursors to layoffs.

Meanwhile the costs for things like homes, college educations, retirement, etc are spirling beyond the average family's ability to afford, even with two incomes. I honestly don't know WHAT I'd do if I got axed... and yet, here I am on FARK. Classic denial, I guess.
 
Ant
2003-01-10 11:53:23 AM  
People at my company can barely use Windows.

Extremely scary, especially when you figure that Windows XP looks like it was made for farking pre-schoolers.


Most of them have been with the company since the beginning of time (pre-PC era) and haven't really had any training at all. They use our Open VMS system like it was second nature though. Go figure...
 
2003-01-10 11:55:09 AM  
Rats, here's the HTML enabled...

click below for p0rn solitaire...
http://www.omarsclub.com/solitaire/index.htm
(as I said before, this is NSFW!)

P0rn Tetris!...
http://www.omarsclub.com/game_of_a_horny_woman/
(also NSFW!)
 
2003-01-10 11:55:47 AM  
ISeeYourDisease: It would be great if there were such things as 1. Free education for all and 2. places where you could go where living wages are equal to living expenses. Unfortunately, neither is the case.
1. There is no such thing as free education. College and vocational schools cost $$$. Where are you going to get the $ before going? Not buy groceries? Not pay your bills for that month? Yes, you can get student loans like FICA but even if you were to go to a community college, by the time you graduated (if you could graduate from a community college, most are transfer schools) you would be at least $40,000 in debt. So either way it takes extra money that many people simply do not have. If the average retail worker gets paid a minimum wage salary and wants to go to college and live, how are they to "take some initiative"?
2. Moving to where "things are cheaper" doesn't solve the problem. If you move to say North Dakota where home prices are lower, conversely there are less jobs (especiallly office jobs) and employers will pay you LESS because things in North Dakota ARE cheaper. It's a Catch-22 scenario.

My point is that the gap between rich and poor keeps expanding and the middle class is being slowly destroyed. And the resulting tension between rich and poor generates into lower economic productivity, higher crime rates, loss of consumer confidence, more public aid burdens, etc.
 
2003-01-10 11:58:20 AM  
Wasn't Tetris a Russian attempt to destroy the west's economy? I had it on my last cellphone and it stole about an hour a day from me...
 
2003-01-10 11:59:42 AM  
MCSE - Minesweeper Champion, Solitaire Expert. That's me!
 
2003-01-10 12:09:48 PM  
I've just had my sixth movement. My colon is empty & yet there are no new links on Fark. I'm so bored I may actually do some work. Jeeeeeez.
 
2003-01-10 12:13:16 PM  
Favorite MS Solitaire story:

My friends Chris and Melanie decided to elope, they dragged me along as Best Man. We went to a big ugly State building in Virginia, went to the Justice of the Peace's office. We found him playing solitaire. He grumpily got up, married them, then went back to playing solitaire.
 
2003-01-10 12:18:32 PM  
Chastain86,
You made me spit diet Dr Pepper in my keyboard. My IT dept isn't going to want to replace it again.

Rogue7, you have it backwards. The gap between Rich and poor in the US has never been smaller than it is today. Furthermore, never in the history of the world has there been a place where socio-economic status was more under the control of the individual. You can grow up to be the president or a senator some day, or you could choose an honorable profession! Sky's the limit!
 
2003-01-10 12:21:16 PM  
Rogue7:
1. I admit I'm not up on the latest costs for colleges but I just graduated from college a few years ago and I paid for everything with a summer job that paid $14/hour and a job during my full-time school year that paid $8-$10 at 20 hours/week. I graduated with almost zero debt and no school loans. This was a university, a community college would have been much cheaper.
2. No, I said move somewhere where salaries are the same (or close to it) but the cost of living is cheaper. I can't speak for right now in 2003 but the last couple times I was looking to move, such places did exist.

$75k/year is not rich.
 
2003-01-10 12:27:39 PM  
My friend works in the Engineering Dept. at a local power company, where they recently instituted a micro-mangaging punch-clock system that forces him to account for EVERY MINUTE of activity, down to what specific drawing he was working on.

A company I worked at did this once. I told them I needed a line item for the time I spent accounting for my time.

Meanwhile the costs for things like homes, college educations, retirement, etc are spirling beyond the average family's ability to afford, even with two incomes.

I don't agree with this. I think the media's portrayal of the "American Dream" of a big house, 2 SUVs, 2 kids, etc. is beyond the normal American's means. Don't believe the hype, you don't need a 3000 sq. ft. house and 2 new cars the day you get married. "Starter home" is your friend and '86 Hondas rock.
 
2003-01-10 12:34:24 PM  
ISeeYourDisease--i agree
 
2003-01-10 12:34:42 PM  
MacG: Really? You might want to read the following....
http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-nycens242717997may24.story (New York)
http://www.ppic.org/publications/PPIC000/PPIC99rb.pdf (California)
http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialexclusion/comment/0,11499,631414,0​0.html (UK)
http://www.humanrightsmonitor.org/article496.html (Mexico)
ALL of these articles point to a widening gap in economic status.
 
2003-01-10 12:41:58 PM  
ISeeYourDisease: 1. Did you live at home, in the dorms, or on your own? If you lived at home or in a dorm, it's a moot point. What did you study? If you majored in a field that did not require much study and/or homework, then you would have more free time for a job. However, if you major in a field that requires extensive study/homework and you go full-time, you'd really only have time for a part-time job and if you live alone, it would be hard to pay bills on a p/t salary (especially if you only get paid $5.15/hr!)

I agree $75k/yr is not rich but it is certainly better off than $21k/yr, don't you think?
 
2003-01-10 12:43:33 PM  
Addiction Solitaire at http://games.yahoo.com is pretty cool.
 
2003-01-10 12:49:25 PM  
"An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." -Plutarch
 
2003-01-10 12:54:19 PM  
Rogue7:
I lived in an apartment with 2 other people as it was cheaper that way. I disagree that the dorm would be a moot point, the dorms cost more than my apt. did. I majored in Computer Science, I don't know if that qualifies as extensive study/homework. For me, the homework was sometimes time consuming, studying was not.

My part time job was actually $5/hr but I made it into $8-$10/hr. See my point?
 
2003-01-10 12:54:28 PM  
to the people who think linux is hard:


Try it. Not the setup, as IT guys do that anyway. I'm talking the day-to-day. you might just find it's a lot like any other gui'd OS, and easier to use than many...not...d/l MDK 9 and set it all up and let a 10 year old hack on it, or your grandma.

(Start button) -> Networking -> Mail -> KMail ...makes more sense than (start) -> programs -> Office -> outlook express...at least to a n00b.I'm not bashing, i'm just trying to get ya'll just to try something new. I'm a linux dude, but I do check out what redmond has to offer now and then...

And, if i may be permitted to counter the idea that linux will get as many viruses and windows,when its time comes...I don't think so. It's security model is much better, it doesn't have the same integration as windows, it gets patches faster, etc. Give it a chance, yo. and stuff.
 
2003-01-10 01:02:33 PM  
ISeeYourDisease: I'm not trying to diminish your achievement, however you were the exception not the rule. If everyone was able to do that, we'd have a better world.

Or would we? If everyone went to college to be ITsupport, bankers, doctors, etc. who would do all the grunt work? Who would wash the dishes in restaurants? Clean the hotel rooms? Wash the floors? So not everyone can go to college. I'm saying we should be paying the average worker in this country a fair living wage rather than laying off 20,000 people to give a CEO a $100,000 bonus. We are the richest country in the world yet our minimum wage is well below a 2003 decent living wage.
 
2003-01-10 01:02:33 PM  
Generation_D writes: I mean jeez, whats next, Chips Challenge? Downhill Racer? How about a rousing round of Breakout or Asteroids?

Sounds good to me! I enjoy MAME so much I'm building an arcade cabinet for a dedicated MAME machine.

Sometimes you just can't beat the classics.
 
2003-01-10 01:04:12 PM  
I agree though that not EVERYBODY needs the 3000 sq. ft. house with 3 SUVs and a television in each room.
 
2003-01-10 01:31:23 PM  
Rogue7: If everyone went to college to be ITsupport, bankers, doctors, etc. who would do all the grunt work? Who would wash the dishes in restaurants? Clean the hotel rooms? Wash the floors?

Robots, my friend, robots.

I don't think everyone has to go to college. I know a bunch of people that are tradesman - electricians, welders, etc.. A lot of them make more than me. As an example, an acquaintence of mine who is an in-demand electrician makes about $100K/year and probably $40K more on under the table side jobs. He barely graduated high school.

$5.15/hr sucks but if you can't live on that, you should figure out how to make more.

I'm spoiled, when I think minimum wage job, I get a picture of some high school kid at McDonald's who is just doing it for spending money, not to pay the bills.
 
2003-01-10 01:34:49 PM  
I forgot about the TV in every room, kudos for that.

Reminds me of this book, where the people in the book cannot/do not want to turn the tv off, they just turn the volume down at night so they can sleep.
 
2003-01-10 01:34:51 PM  


People at my company can barely use Windows. I shudder to think what they'd do if they had to use Linux



youy know, I used to think the same thing. I had this kind of personal superiority that I could use many operating systems.

now what do I think ?

after having sat novices down at linux machines, and myself spent some time on a Windows box and trying to get work done....

Linux can be figured out by most everyone. Running applications is running applications. Teach them the voodoo they need to run the apps they want to use, and they go off and forget the OS anyways.

my time on Windows was painful also, as I had to unlearn how the OS was working and relearn how the interface designers *assumed* I was supposed to want things.


people are not in love with Windows, they are in love with Excel, Word, IE, Outlook, PowerPoint, Photoshop, etc.

all of which are available on Mac, and equivalent programs are available on Linux. Corporate employees are perfectly willing to be retrained on new computer tools. It doesn't take much time I have found.
 
2003-01-10 01:43:44 PM  
for one computer (at home say) it is easier to install and maintain a Windows machine than a Linux machine. This was very true a few years ago, and is still marginally true today (provided you are not concerned about secure hardened machines at home)

For 20 computers or more, it is WAY easier to maintain Linux machines than Windows machines. far cheaper, far more reliable, easier to secure. I think corporations might start considering the savings. Many reasons why, I won't bore people any more at this point (already threadjacking)
 
2003-01-10 01:53:12 PM  
i like money and solitaire. i hope to have much of both throughout the rest of my life.
 
2003-01-10 02:34:19 PM  
 
2003-01-10 02:43:04 PM  
I'm windows, linux, and novell (i work at a computer school so i get to see and work with it all) and i repeat that linux is not as easy to operate as windows. I repeat that linux is more hackable, but less hacked than windows. linux is less hacked because windows is more worthwhile to hackers, not because it is much more secure.
 
2003-01-10 02:52:16 PM  
Jaythebrb- "linux is less hacked because windows is more worthwhile to hackers, not because it is much more secure. "

Nice comment. Windows is a more appealing target because 95% of the desktop PC's out there are running it. That's what makes Linux more "secure". Not enough user base (at the desktop) to make hacking it worthwhile.
 
2003-01-10 04:13:23 PM  
One more reason I'm a MacAddict.

My turn on Dominos 2.0!
And MacChess 5.0.

Did I mention that MAME emulation software?
All original Atari games I grew up playing...

Sorry, gotta call in sick to recreate my youth...
 
2003-01-10 04:21:02 PM  
http://www.mookystick.com/funny_images/index.cgi?485
 
2003-01-10 06:02:59 PM  
K-nuk: "I've just had my sixth movement."

I can only presume that you have some sort of virus, or your digestive tract was replaced by a garden hose some time ago. Or maybe you should reconsider that 'all Olestra' diet.

That just ain't right.
 
2003-01-10 06:16:03 PM  
Anybody who thinks that thinks that solitaire is the biggest time waster was obviously never in a serious relationship with a level 49 troll in Everquest. The human player, not actually the troll. I think he's now in a 12 step.
 
2003-01-10 07:31:34 PM  
Screw solitare. Fark wastes my time!
 
2003-01-10 07:48:59 PM  
I have no idea how to play Solataire. Good thing I have Fark.
 
2003-01-10 09:03:28 PM  
Littlefish: Everquest may waste more time at home, but it would take some effort to be able to play it at work, especially given the time to log in, and the fact that you'd need to install it on your machine, makes it kind of hard to hide it. Solitare is easy, because most companies just leave it o nthe computer, and it's really easy to close :).
 
2003-01-11 03:21:32 PM  

I was able to read Fark at work until a few weeks ago. Then, all of a sudden, the server decided that it was verboten because it was a "chat gateway" or somesuch. So now I read political weblogs and waste money on eBay stuff.

I used to be a major Minesweeper addict, when our office had it. I would play for over an hour at a time, until my hand went numb (I already had some damage from having worked for several years as a speed-typist). I played so much for so long that I actually saw several 8-squares. I remember once starting a new game and the very first square I uncovered was an 8...zounds!

 
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