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(Some Guy)   University of Illinois mascot, eliminated in '07, is back. Protestors: "People are not mascots, respect all people." 9,000 supporters: eat it   (wbbm780.com ) divider line
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2008-11-16 11:48:40 AM  
Glad to see he's back.
 
2008-11-16 11:56:03 AM  
Chiefs
Pirates
Vikings
Braves
Redskins
Padres
Rangers
and don't forget the Fighting Whiteys.

Did I miss anyone?
 
2008-11-16 11:58:54 AM  

Bunny Deville: Did I miss anyone?


Browns, duh.
 
2008-11-16 12:03:57 PM  
Bring back Boone
www.du.edu

/Stealing DUs bandwidth
 
2008-11-16 12:08:48 PM  
Bunny Deville: Did I miss anyone?

www.evergreen.edu

Of course, everyone always ignores phylum Mollusca... sad, so sad.
 
2008-11-16 12:16:32 PM  

Bunny Deville: Chiefs
Pirates
Vikings
Braves
Redskins
Padres
Rangers
and don't forget the Fighting Whiteys.

Did I miss anyone?


Titans
Trojans
Packers- MEAT PACKERS ARE PEOPLE TOO! PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE MASCOTS!
 
2008-11-16 12:30:19 PM  

pd771: Bunny Deville: Chiefs
Pirates
Vikings
Braves
Redskins
Padres
Rangers
and don't forget the Fighting Whiteys.

Did I miss anyone?

Titans
Trojans
Packers- MEAT PACKERS ARE PEOPLE TOO! PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE MASCOTS!


Notre Dame Fighting Irish.
 
2008-11-16 12:30:21 PM  

pd771: Bunny Deville: Chiefs
Pirates
Vikings
Braves
Redskins
Padres
Rangers
and don't forget the Fighting Whiteys.

Did I miss anyone?

Titans
Trojans
Packers- MEAT PACKERS ARE PEOPLE TOO! PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE MASCOTS!


Braves
Indians
Blackhawks
Aztecs
Fighting Irish
Dutchmen

AND TONS MORE
 
2008-11-16 12:32:21 PM  
Ohio State Buckeyes

The weird tree mascot for the Stanford Cardinal

PLANTS SHOULD NOT BE MASCOTS!!!
 
2008-11-16 12:32:22 PM  
Gotta love how the organizers had to tell people not to hold up items of clothing or blankets with the old mascot image on it, due to the university not permitting them to use any piece of the trademark.

They can rent the hall all they want, the Chief is not officially coming back. It's over. Done.
 
2008-11-16 12:36:26 PM  
Hoosiers
Cornhuskers
Quakers
Cavaliers
Sooners
Spartans
Cowboys
Trojans
...and the list keeps growing
 
2008-11-16 12:40:06 PM  
Hippies are not people!!!!
 
2008-11-16 12:42:20 PM  
Quakers?
 
2008-11-16 12:53:32 PM  
How about Bears? Hairy gay men are people too!
 
2008-11-16 12:57:26 PM  
Seminoles
Utes
Minutemen
Friars
Orangemen
Spartans
 
2008-11-16 01:11:00 PM  

AceThunder: How about Bears? Hairy gay men are people too!


Heh...
 
2008-11-16 01:33:29 PM  
georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu

Approves.
 
2008-11-16 01:36:35 PM  
"People are not mascots, respect all people."

According to Websters:

Mascot: "a person, animal, or object adopted by a group as a symbolic figure especially to bring them good luck"

Looks like the hippies need to find a new tag line.
 
2008-11-16 01:38:48 PM  
CHIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFFFFF!
 
2008-11-16 01:41:05 PM  
The people in Assembly Hall got a better show than the people at Memorial Stadium.

Does Jeff George have any eligibility left?
 
2008-11-16 02:11:35 PM  
www.svr-scca.com
 
2008-11-16 02:15:19 PM  
Whiny out of town asshats.

And one former high school classmate (he was CHS 1979 I believe), who is 1/16 cherokee, who none the less was upset the mascot was making fun of "his people." Who never said a word about it growing up, but suddenly got all political once this stuff got going, a way to get attention and get even with jocks I bet.

Oskee Farking Wow Wow, Chief Forever.
 
2008-11-16 02:18:49 PM  
Yeah, how dare they try to respect people. That'll learn 'em.
 
2008-11-16 02:19:50 PM  
The chief should be assumed dead like Jamar Smith did with Brian Carlwell. Just sayin'
 
2008-11-16 03:27:25 PM  
Ok, let me put it this way:

Saying that Chief Illiniwek honors and represents Native Americans is like saying Richard Simmons honors and represents white people. I mean, isn't Mr. Simmons a demeaning caricature of white people.

/BTW - I agree the above lists are not offensive, with one exception: Redskins is obviously racist - I mean, for fark's sake (esp. if you know the team's history)
 
2008-11-16 03:33:10 PM  

Generation_D: Whiny out of town asshats.

And one former high school classmate (he was CHS 1979 I believe), who is 1/16 cherokee, who none the less was upset the mascot was making fun of "his people." Who never said a word about it growing up, but suddenly got all political once this stuff got going, a way to get attention and get even with jocks I bet.

Oskee Farking Wow Wow, Chief Forever.


He thought Cherokees were among the Illiniwek?
 
2008-11-16 03:37:19 PM  

MiamiBlues: Ok, let me put it this way:

Saying that Chief Illiniwek honors and represents Native Americans is like saying Richard Simmons honors and represents white people. I mean, isn't Mr. Simmons a demeaning caricature of white people.


Having Richard Simmons lead the charge and yelling "Hi everybody" when the football team runs onto the field would be hilarious.
 
2008-11-16 03:43:42 PM  
Does Chief Illiniwek run around chugging firewater while wearing smallpox encrusted blankets and scalping folks?
If not, red man speak with forked tongue.
 
2008-11-16 04:52:35 PM  

Generation_D: Whiny out of town asshats.


Uh, plenty of people who have been in this town longer than the current group of "pro-Chief" students are against the Chief and have complained about it since at least the 1980's.

There are locals and outsiders on both sides of this issue.

Bottom line is, he isn't coming back. The university is making that quite clear. The event this weekend was not allowed to use the "Illiniwek" name and the flyers had to point out explicitly that the University is not supporting or in any way related to the event.

Free speech being what it is, of course people are free to continue the thing under some other name privately, that should last for some time. Same thing happened at all the other places that got rid of similar mascots. News-Gazette even did a big story on it back in 1997.
 
2008-11-16 04:54:10 PM  
fark the chief.

/University of Illinois Alum
 
2008-11-16 04:55:07 PM  

Hoopy Frood: He thought Cherokees were among the Illiniwek?


THIS.
It's one thing for the local tribes to complain. It's a completely different one for a guy who belongs to a tribe from Georgia, by way of Oklahoma, to be whipping out the WHAAAMBULANCE over the Illinois Confederation. Why all these retard tribes can't be like the Seminoles and get a farking clue is beyond me.

\Dartmouth Indian For Life
 
2008-11-16 05:02:54 PM  
I am 59 inches tall and am offended by the New York Giants.
 
2008-11-16 05:20:52 PM  
onfinite.com
 
2008-11-16 05:31:07 PM  
Bring Back Boone! (new window)
 
2008-11-16 05:39:23 PM  

Fano: I am 59 inches tall and am offended by the New York Giants.


Shouldn't it be the giants who are offended?
 
2008-11-16 05:52:35 PM  
Isn't WVU's mascot a "mountianeer"? I guess this group would have them change their mascot too using their faulty logic.
 
2008-11-16 06:03:46 PM  
We have the same problem here at the University of North Dakota. A bunch of Indians are whining about the school's use of "Fighting Sioux" as the mascot. I, however, am not one. I'm glad to see that Chief Illiniwek is back, and I hope that UND keeps the Fighting Sioux name and logo.
 
2008-11-16 06:05:32 PM  
Think of it this way:

The University of Berlin Guardsmen have "The Fightin' Rabbi" as their school mascot for years.
But he is eventually dumped as an insensitive, offensive marketing tool for morons.

But then asshats everywhere want to squeal on and on about "politically correct" Nazism...

///((SIGH))
 
2008-11-16 07:16:37 PM  
As a descendent of Prometheus, I would like to voice my contempt for Tennessee's NFL team.
 
2008-11-16 07:34:04 PM  

Supes: Fano: I am 59 inches tall and am offended by the New York Giants.

Shouldn't it be the giants who are offended?



They scare me and implies that giants are superior.


Vega.: Isn't WVU's mascot a "mountianeer"? I guess this group would have them change their mascot too using their faulty logic.



The dude with a coonskin cap and a kentucky long rifle is pretty offensive, if it didn't look like the denizens of the state.
 
2008-11-16 07:57:48 PM  
Chief!
www.habeeb.com
 
2008-11-16 09:50:31 PM  
Original Chief!

img91.imageshack.us
 
2008-11-17 10:36:51 AM  
As a UIUC alum, the only issue I had with the exit of the chief was that the NCAA is the one who forced it.

The NCAA is responsible for organizing college athletic events. They are not in charge of telling the schools what is ethical, or pc, or anything of that nature. That is what the board of colleges, or even the Big 10 conference (which is there for far more than athletic purposes) are for.

The NCAA, in my opinion, vastly overstepped its authority it threatening schools with economic sanctions.
 
2008-11-17 12:31:53 PM  
As a UIUC alum, the only issue I had with the exit of the chief was that the NCAA is the one who forced it.

The NCAA is responsible for organizing college athletic events. They are not in charge of telling the schools what is ethical, or pc, or anything of that nature. That is what the board of colleges, or even the Big 10 conference (which is there for far more than athletic purposes) are for.

The NCAA, in my opinion, vastly overstepped its authority it threatening schools with economic sanctions.


This. Well put and exactly what I have said in the past. Since when can the NCAA infringe on a University's right to the First Amendment? If a college wants to change their athletic teams' nickname to the "Drunken Hillbillies", "N(a)ggers", "Drooling Retards", it's well within their rights providing it's not obscene. Is it smart marketing? No, but it's within their rights to do that.

/Well, the Drunken Hillbillies would probably get some serious alcohol endorsement money.
 
2008-11-17 01:49:28 PM  

Grunt2006: As a UIUC alum, the only issue I had with the exit of the chief was that the NCAA is the one who forced it.

The NCAA is responsible for organizing college athletic events. They are not in charge of telling the schools what is ethical, or pc, or anything of that nature. That is what the board of colleges, or even the Big 10 conference (which is there for far more than athletic purposes) are for.

The NCAA, in my opinion, vastly overstepped its authority it threatening schools with economic sanctions.

This. Well put and exactly what I have said in the past. Since when can the NCAA infringe on a University's right to the First Amendment? If a college wants to change their athletic teams' nickname to the "Drunken Hillbillies", "N(a)ggers", "Drooling Retards", it's well within their rights providing it's not obscene. Is it smart marketing? No, but it's within their rights to do that.

/Well, the Drunken Hillbillies would probably get some serious alcohol endorsement money.


The NCAA can allow, or not allow, whomever they want into their organization. I don't know the details of the "sanctions" you're talking about, but they are well within their rights to say, "If you want your school to remain a part of the NCAA, you need to do this, this, and this."
 
2008-11-17 03:00:12 PM  

Huck Chaser:
The NCAA can allow, or not allow, whomever they want into their organization. I don't know the details of the "sanctions" you're talking about, but they are well within their rights to say, "If you want your school to remain a part of the NCAA, you need to do this, this, and this."


The NCAA threatened UIUC, along with other schools with mascots the NCAA deemed offensive, to no longer allow it to host NCAA tournament games, among some other minor sanctions.

The purpose of the NCAA, from its own website is: "Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount."

There has to be a reasonable nexus between the purpose of the organization and the issue that is addressing. There is no connection between the stated purpose of the NCAA and policing whether or not member schools are politically correct. The Chief did not make competition unfair, dangerous, give UIUC an unfair advantage, or anything else that would be contrary to the purpose of the NCAA. There are numerous other bodies who are more prepared and able to make such determinations (regional accreditation boards, the Big Ten, and possible others). The NCAA does not (or at least should not) have the ability to run rampant over any issue because it remotely touches athletics.

I didn't even really care for the Chief, and if the Big Ten had told U of I to change it, I would not have been bothered one bit. But the NCAA should not be the one to make this type of decision.
 
2008-11-17 03:57:43 PM  
I have never understood why Native American mascots are so offensive, with on exception, "redskins." But something like Chief Illiniwek, who I thought looked badass? I really am at a loss. If somebody wanted to name their team the Fat Drunken White Guys, I'd be all about it.
 
2008-11-17 05:41:20 PM  
Xaxor, I lol'd, good work
 
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