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(Salon)   Bush preparing blanket pardons to avoid prosecutions under an Obama justice department. Obvious tag unavailable, taken away by special rendition   (salon.com) divider line 393
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2008-11-13 08:42:49 PM  
Well, duh.
 
2008-11-13 08:52:28 PM  
Asinine, yup.
Also obvious.
 
2008-11-13 08:52:37 PM  
i27.photobucket.com

/a girl can dream, can't she?
 
2008-11-13 08:55:28 PM  
To be honest, I'm a bit surprised.

For a fella who claimed that they couldn't be held accountable, that the rules just simply didn't apply, and that the executive branch wasn't liable, this would be tantamount to admitting that maybe, just maybe, that the Administration wasn't so sure about their legal standing.

You know, with a Constitutional lawyer about to come into office.

Sort of makes you wonder if they wished they'd consulted one or two a few years ago...
 
2008-11-13 09:01:31 PM  
"conservatives" are praying right now that they get away with everything.

Yep... the party of law, order, and morality.

let's have a big hand for them all.
 
2008-11-13 09:01:58 PM  
Link Broken?
 
2008-11-13 09:06:02 PM  
Nevermind, seems to be working now.

It's sad that the GOP is so hyper partisan that Obama would have to settle for a Truth and Reconciliation type deal in the face of Human Rights violations.

You want to rebuild your party? How about you start by showing your support for the Constitution and International Law.
 
2008-11-13 09:07:51 PM  
The important thing is that I am okay.
 
2008-11-13 09:08:28 PM  
Is the Obvious tag not allowed today or something?
 
2008-11-13 09:11:45 PM  
i515.photobucket.com


APPROVES
 
2008-11-13 09:13:29 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: How about you start by showing your support for the Constitution and International Law.

I've read some funny things on Fark over the years, but that goes so far over the top I almost wet myself. Damn.
 
2008-11-13 09:22:59 PM  
ah, they'll probably be gotten on something small like destruction of archives
 
2008-11-13 09:24:04 PM  
Offering a pardon is tantamount to a finding of guilt, and accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.
 
2008-11-13 09:26:57 PM  
Can he pardon them before they're convicted of anything?
 
2008-11-13 09:30:26 PM  
Alacritous: Can he pardon them before they're convicted of anything?

No one knows. There is prececdent for it, but its never been challenged in court.
 
2008-11-13 09:30:29 PM  
EponymousCowHerd: Offering a pardon is tantamount to a finding of guilt, and accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

We already know they're guilty. We want to see consequences.
 
2008-11-13 09:34:35 PM  
Sorry... typo.

The headline was supposed to read:

Obama's plans for probing Bush, torture
 
2008-11-13 09:38:26 PM  
Alacritous: Can he pardon them before they're convicted of anything?

Before they are officially ACCUSED of anything.
 
2008-11-13 09:51:41 PM  
At this point, I figure Bush is just going to tag Obama at the inauguration , yell "Not it!" and run away.
 
2008-11-13 09:54:28 PM  
It'd be a nice way for Bush to kick the Republican Party's credibility in the nads ONE LAST TIME before heading back to the ranch.
 
2008-11-13 09:59:07 PM  
i236.photobucket.com
 
2008-11-13 09:59:35 PM  
This will do nothing but distract from the important business of redistributing the wealth.
 
2008-11-13 10:04:04 PM  
... advisors to Barack Obama are pressing ahead with plans for a nonpartisan commission to investigate alleged abuses under Bush.

Riiiiiiight.
 
2008-11-13 10:05:22 PM  
Oh please...Don't pardon a single soul.
 
2008-11-13 10:06:32 PM  
hubiestubert: this would be tantamount to admitting that maybe, just maybe, that the Administration wasn't so sure about their legal standing.

... or it might also mean that he knows that the next President would have no problems prosecuting him and anyone else to grind a partisan axe. Both are plausible explanations.
 
2008-11-13 10:09:44 PM  
KaponoFor3: hubiestubert: this would be tantamount to admitting that maybe, just maybe, that the Administration wasn't so sure about their legal standing.

... or it might also mean that he knows that the next President would have no problems prosecuting him and anyone else to grind a partisan axe. Both are plausible explanations.


Yeah. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon, right? Fear that the Democratic congress would have a partisan axe to grind.
 
2008-11-13 10:10:23 PM  
KaponoFor3: .. or it might also mean that he knows that the next President would have no problems prosecuting him and anyone else to grind a partisan axe.

So? He's got nothing to worry about, right? Gonzales said it was ok.
 
2008-11-13 10:11:51 PM  
Bush was nothing but a puppet of the GOP. Blame them and the people who supported them, not just the tools they used.
 
2008-11-13 10:14:46 PM  
DamnYankees: Yeah. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon, right? Fear that the Democratic congress would have a partisan axe to grind.

Just because one President used his pardon in that way does not mean we can attribute the same motive or intentions to all future pardons, you know better than that.

Flab: So? He's got nothing to worry about, right? Gonzales said it was ok

I'm sure he realizes a different AG might disagree -- I mean, its not like there was no opposition when this first was revealed.
 
2008-11-13 10:17:54 PM  
KaponoFor3: DamnYankees: Yeah. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon, right? Fear that the Democratic congress would have a partisan axe to grind.

Just because one President used his pardon in that way does not mean we can attribute the same motive or intentions to all future pardons, you know better than that.

Flab: So? He's got nothing to worry about, right? Gonzales said it was ok

I'm sure he realizes a different AG might disagree -- I mean, its not like there was no opposition when this first was revealed.


There's really nothing left to do but mock you. Your arguments are pathetic, but people like you don't have political power anymore.
 
2008-11-13 10:19:49 PM  
Mordant: Bush was nothing but a puppet of the GOP. Blame them and the people who supported them, not just the tools they used.fark that.

Bush may have been a puppet, but an example needs to be made. somebody has to pay for this shiatstorm hard so that nobody else even thinks about it. if Dubya pardons everyone else, then he is voluntarily taking the entirety of the blame upon himself. let the farker fry.
 
2008-11-13 10:20:26 PM  
KaponoFor3: I'm sure he realizes a different AG might disagree

I'm sure he realises that he's the coyote in this picture.
img510.imageshack.us
 
2008-11-13 10:20:49 PM  
HTMFAIL
 
2008-11-13 10:21:10 PM  
KaponoFor3: I'm sure he realizes a different AG might disagree -- I mean, its not like there was no opposition when this first was revealed.

Dude...You are so missing the boat.
 
2008-11-13 10:25:13 PM  
On the other hand, we'll know who they all are...right? Can he give secret pardons?
 
2008-11-13 10:27:00 PM  
Abovethe law!
 
2008-11-13 10:27:19 PM  
flimsyexcuse: Can he give secret pardons?

sure he can.

Executive Order 17238: From now on Presidential pardons are secret. FOIA this! Asshats!
 
2008-11-13 10:27:24 PM  
DamnYankees: There's really nothing left to do but mock you. Your arguments are pathetic, but people like you don't have political power anymore

Counselor -- actually, I can't even call you that yet -- you will do well served to pay attention to your Legal Professionalism class. You may need to learn how to interact with opposing counsel while maintaining respect for them. Honestly, think about how many of my posts you've read -- have I ever exhibited a dismissive attitude about others who disagree with my viewpoint?

Something for you to think about -- or are you so sure, so convinced that your side is right that it doesn't matter what one might say in opposition? An open mind is a much better tool for a future attorney to have rather than a close minded viewpoint.
 
2008-11-13 10:28:14 PM  
Let Bush issue the pardons, then use them as a chopping list.

What? we can't convict you? You were pardoned? So sorry, you weren't charged with anything at the time. That pardon didn't apply.

Enjoy jail.
 
2008-11-13 10:28:38 PM  
You can't warm your children with blanket pardons.
 
2008-11-13 10:28:47 PM  
If there's a blanket pardon, two words: vigilante justice.
 
2008-11-13 10:30:15 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Oh please...Don't pardon a single soul.

I highly doubt anyone on the pardon list still has a single soul between them.
 
2008-11-13 10:30:18 PM  
KaponoFor3: DamnYankees: There's really nothing left to do but mock you. Your arguments are pathetic, but people like you don't have political power anymore

Counselor -- actually, I can't even call you that yet -- you will do well served to pay attention to your Legal Professionalism class. You may need to learn how to interact with opposing counsel while maintaining respect for them. Honestly, think about how many of my posts you've read -- have I ever exhibited a dismissive attitude about others who disagree with my viewpoint?

Something for you to think about -- or are you so sure, so convinced that your side is right that it doesn't matter what one might say in opposition? An open mind is a much better tool for a future attorney to have rather than a close minded viewpoint.


Haha. You're an idiot.

Mocking is fun.
 
2008-11-13 10:30:34 PM  
DamnYankees: people like you don't have political power anymore

... I'd also like to hope you are wise enough and pay enough attention to my posts to realize that "people like me" never were in political power during the Bush admin. How many Bush admin people were for reasonable restrictions on firearm ownership? How many would have supported gay marriage? How many would support legalization of marijuana?
 
2008-11-13 10:31:23 PM  
DamnYankees: Haha. You're an idiot.

I gave it a shot. Best of luck man. You used to actually be interesting to discuss things with on here. No more I suppose.
 
2008-11-13 10:33:05 PM  
\\\"Let Bush issue the pardons, then use them as a chopping list.

What? we can\\\'t convict you? You were pardoned? So sorry, you weren\\\'t charged with anything at the time. That pardon didn\\\'t apply.

Enjoy jail.\\\"

Sorry I\\\'m behind a firewall so I can\\\'t quote normal. But was Nixon ever charged with anything when Ford pardoned him?
 
2008-11-13 10:35:09 PM  
Send them to The Hague.
 
2008-11-13 10:35:15 PM  
KaponoFor3: DamnYankees: Haha. You're an idiot.

I gave it a shot. Best of luck man. You used to actually be interesting to discuss things with on here. No more I suppose.


To all those reading, I want to direct you to a great post by Glen Greenwald, because its something KaponoFor3 represents very well:

Link (Scroll down to point 8)

There is a serious difference between being civil and being decent. Staying calm and detached in a conversation is not evidence of decency, and being passionate is not uncivil. When people do bad thing, we need to get angry about it. Acting cynical or detached or even civil in the face of crime and injustice is not a virtue, even if people try to act like it is.
 
2008-11-13 10:37:17 PM  
KaponoFor3: DamnYankees: Yeah. That's why Ford pardoned Nixon, right? Fear that the Democratic congress would have a partisan axe to grind.

Just because one President used his pardon in that way does not mean we can attribute the same motive or intentions to all future pardons, you know better than that.

Flab: So? He's got nothing to worry about, right? Gonzales said it was ok

I'm sure he realizes a different AG might disagree -- I mean, its not like there was no opposition when this first was revealed.



Your statements make me see you have no faith in the legal system to judge impartially, so it must be overridden. I think I've said this to you before, but if you are honestly an attorney, I feel bad for your clients.
 
2008-11-13 10:37:19 PM  
feickus: But was Nixon ever charged with anything when Ford pardoned him?

Nixon publicly accepted culpability and stepped down.

If you can get the entire Bush administration to immediately resign in disgrace, I'm sure we can give their jail sentences a second thought.
 
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