Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Breitbart.com)   Unless something is done soon, California's budget defict could hit $28 billion, which is more than the gross domestic product of over 100 (albeit sucky) countries   (breitbart.com) divider line 168
    More: Scary  
•       •       •

2551 clicks; posted to Main » on 12 Nov 2008 at 3:09 PM (6 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



168 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all
 
2008-11-12 05:13:17 PM  
pedobearapproved:

The Republican party has 6 years of completely federal control and nearly doubled the deficit in that time. There MIGHT be fiscal conservatives in congress that identify as Republican, but they certainly have no impact on their party caucus. Borrow and spend is the Republican party mantra now. Accept it. They have completely abandoned the Contract with America.
 
2008-11-12 05:13:49 PM  
farkuufarkinfark: Tax the motion picture industry more. Seems like a lot of the Hollywood crowd thinks that the rest of us aren't paying our "fair share." You guys are making brazillions, so tax the crap out of you and see how it feels.


THIS!

Being a movie star is one of the few jobs that pays so well and you don't have to manage large ammouts of employees and budgets. It doesn't suprise me that most movie stars are for higher taxes on the rich, because most of them don't produce jobs with their money. They feel a certain ammout of self guilt for making so much and really doing NOTHING, and they think everyone feels that way. (actors are by far the smallest part of making a movie entertaining)

The second they had to scrape through a hard time after making and reinvesting few million the year before they'd change their tune.
 
2008-11-12 05:19:01 PM  
94.100.113.133

AND GET RID OF ALL THE MEXICANS AND CLOSE THE BORDER.
 
2008-11-12 05:20:54 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons: KaponoFor3: Because People in power are Stupid: The answer is simple. Raise taxes.

...or, alternatively, cut spending -- or did that one not even enter your mind?

omg you can't possibly raise taxes!


You know, if you can't balance a budget, then I don't trust you to raise taxes. In fact, we should be talking about raising a tax, not taxes. We have so many god damned taxes on everything that you never know what taxes are being raised. They are so well hidden in the cost of our goods and living that most people don't realize how much they are actually paying in taxes.


But given that we won't live long enough to see a simplified tax plan. We can just say this "Don't spend more money than you have."
 
2008-11-12 05:25:57 PM  
pnjunction: Sure, but they have a GDP of over $1.5 trillion. That would be good for about 7th to 10th in the world according to various sources.

I'm with the folks who say they could easily cover a measly $28 billion, and more, if they legalized and taxed prostitution and marijuana. Might have some trouble with the feds on the latter though.


Not if that statement about being the 7th largest GDP is true.
 
2008-11-12 05:29:33 PM  
Nutcase: AND GET RID OF ALL THE MEXICANS AND CLOSE THE BORDER.

Ef Ewe
 
2008-11-12 05:29:59 PM  
Renowned transvestite sexologist: pedobearapproved:

The Republican party has 6 years of completely federal control and nearly doubled the deficit in that time. There MIGHT be fiscal conservatives in congress that identify as Republican, but they certainly have no impact on their party caucus. Borrow and spend is the Republican party mantra now. Accept it. They have completely abandoned the Contract with America.


Yeah, I'd say in the years they got to control both houses of congress the republicans blew it. They went against their own mantra and acted like democrats. They passed far too much entitlement spending and acted like it'd be okay. And then when things went wrong they did NOTHING. This is why they were given the boot in 2006 (and rightfully so!).

But your suggestion that democrats are somehow fiscal conservatives is laughable. We've had two years of them in congress doing NOTHING, and then going to the media and blaming Bush (if only the republicans had a democratic president to blame). So I really don't see where you get this idea that they've changed from tax and spend into a budget balancing, job creating giant. Obama suggesting a tax hike on the job producing sector of the US tax paying population is just the first of the examples showing you where you're wrong. The second is a democratic congress passing a 700 billion bailout for banks. The third is the current suggestion that we will pass a 150 billion bailout for the auto industry. Sounds like the party of fiscal conservatives...or not
 
2008-11-12 05:33:32 PM  
Father_Jack: Nutcase: AND GET RID OF ALL THE MEXICANS AND CLOSE THE BORDER.

Ef Ewe


I don't see why it's controversial to say you don't want illegal immigrants?

To me it seems like the only people objecting are the Mexicans themselves and the people exploiting them.
 
2008-11-12 05:35:29 PM  
Here's an offer for $1B to help out California: http://druglibrary.org/taxes/

The last time we had such severe financial turmoil we ended prohibition....
 
2008-11-12 05:36:42 PM  
pedobearapproved: I don't see why it's controversial to say you don't want illegal immigrants?

He didn't say illegal immigrants, he said Mexicans.

Also, comments like:
The second is a democratic congress passing a 700 billion bailout for banks.

Associating that pile of garbage with Democrats is pathetic. It couldn't have passed without (R) support, which it had in spades.
 
2008-11-12 05:37:57 PM  
you guys who are so quick to point out the costs of illegals are cheerfully getting the economic benefit they provide by keeping costs for services lower, for the payments they make into soc sec they will never take out, and for the amazing taquerias they've decorated our state with.

illegals are not the problem with California's finances. they're the scape goat. an economy as large as ours isnt going to be made or broken by a bunch of illegals working in fields and cleaning hotel rooms.

We have two major and related problems: property taxes and the proposition system.

While on the one hand prop 13 saved little old ladies from eviction, it also hamstrung state revenues in a big way. We need to reform the property taxes.

And the propositions have to be destroyed. Schwarzenegger even said as much. becuase of the props, we issue bonds for everything, we MUST earmark x$ for [certain programs] and totally tie the hands of the budget makers.

aaaaand since prop 13 has weakened the core income stream for the state, the state relies of debt, and taxes on consumption which are much more volatile and unreliable. If we have a good year or two, the money pours in; if we have a recession the fount dries up and we have to cut schools and shiat to the bone. this is stupid.

Reform the property tax and take away the earmakrs coz of propositons and we'll be in better shape.
 
2008-11-12 05:40:27 PM  
pedobearapproved: I don't see why it's controversial to say you don't want illegal immigrants?

he said mexicans, not illegals.

so do yo just fail at reading or are you a bigot too?
 
2008-11-12 05:41:20 PM  
pedobearapproved: The lib lawmakers in CA would crap themselves...afterall they are paying illegals so they don't have to pay minimum wage! Where would they get housekeepers?

I don't really think it's the housekeepers and such. We pay 2 women (no I didn't check to see if they are legal - probably not) $80 to come over for about 3 hours to clean our house. That's over $13 bucks an hour. Every time I've gone down to Home Depot to find a day laborer for some help with a large project they want at least $15/hr. Things are too damn expensive here and the damn kids these days won't do it. I used to mow laws for $3/hr only 25 years ago. Most kids in S. Orange couty have nicer cars than me and they've never worked a day in their life. Must be nice...
 
2008-11-12 05:41:46 PM  
rewind2846: "...racist proposition..."

Not trolling. Just wondering if it'd still be racist if it were about illegal Canadians flooding our country?

Or if the predominant race of people in Canada and Mexico were switched, and the illegal immigrants flowing into our country from Mexico were "white"?

Was Prop. 187 about suppressing a particular race of people, or about a particular group of people coming from one, adjoining, source country?
 
2008-11-12 05:46:08 PM  
Father_Jack: pedobearapproved: I don't see why it's controversial to say you don't want illegal immigrants?

he said mexicans, not illegals.

so do yo just fail at reading or are you a bigot too?


Father_Jack: pedobearapproved: I don't see why it's controversial to say you don't want illegal immigrants?

he said mexicans, not illegals.

so do yo just fail at reading or are you a bigot too?


This is what all these "187" folks will not admit, not even to themselves... that this whole 'illegal immigration' bullsh*t argument really has nothing to do with the legality of mexicans and others entering the united states...

THEY JUST DON"T LIKE MEXICANS. PERIOD.


/betcha they wouldn't b*tch if these were white people climbing the fence...
 
2008-11-12 05:48:05 PM  
I have no idea what goes on in California, but if you look at businesses that lose money, they cut expenses...pretty simple.

Illegal immigrants...I don't get it. How is it that they get any social services? How does that happen?

/lives in NJ
 
2008-11-12 05:49:14 PM  
edwoodca: rewind2846: "...racist proposition..."

Not trolling. Just wondering if it'd still be racist if it were about illegal Canadians flooding our country?


If it were white Canadians there wouldn't have been a Prop 187 in the first place. I've lived here 22 years, and I know the mindset of the 187 people. Trust me on this one.
 
2008-11-12 05:58:41 PM  
edwoodca: Was Prop. 187 about suppressing a particular race of people, or about a particular group of people coming from one, adjoining, source country?

That's a good question. Enforcing it would only really be possible with racial profiling, that is, continually questioning the legal status of every possible non-legal resident applying for social services. There's a pesky clause in the Bill of Rights though, that makes denying social services to those who need it unconstitutional. Although, "needing it" is a moving target, etc, etc.
 
2008-11-12 05:59:29 PM  
dkimball: Illegal immigrants...I don't get it. How is it that they get any social services? How does that happen?

the theory behind it is liek this:

since theyre in the US illegally they dont have health insurance and so when they need something taken care of medically they go to the ER and have it paid for by the tax payers.

same with education: they dont pay taxes yet the benefit from our systems by sending their kids to american tax payer funded schools.

these are valid concerns to think about, but as i said in a previous posting i dont think the numbers work out the way the anti-illegals think they do; i think their benefit to their economies in the terms of services rendered, soc security contributions they make but will never take out of (often seasonal workers will share a soc sec card to avoid detection, and contribute wages), and cost savings to businesses more than offset the cost of the odd ER trip or whatever. I seem to remember having read arguments citiing numbers to that effect but i cant look for it now.

And denying immigrants kids education? that's the most retarded thing ever. what we dislike about immigrants of all groups is the fact that they're not like us, dont speak our language, share our values etc... the best way to get them to assimilate is to educate them in our schools. My gf is half mexican, her dad's from oaxaca. he had a 2nd family and a number of his kids are here, some legally, some illegally. Guess what: they're mexican. They always will be. their kids? totally american. Why? they went thru school here.

Its not the immigrants who are the perceived "problem". they're working hard and keeping their heads down. The scary freakin' cholo that all us whiteys are afraid of arent immigrants, the shaved headed baggy trouser tatooed guy isnt an immigrant; they're the damn first generation kids who are trying to grow up in a culture that they're not a part of completely that are the ones who are the freakin' gangbanger pieces of shiat that everyone hates.

the way to get rid of those guys is to do our best to assimilate them quickly and well; educate them and get them out of the barrios and into the workforce, and drain the swamps of poverty that produce the gang bangers we all wanna shoot.

/and can i get an Amen for hot blooded kinky mexican women?
 
2008-11-12 06:01:55 PM  
dkimball: I have no idea what goes on in California, but if you look at businesses that lose money, they cut expenses...pretty simple.

Illegal immigrants...I don't get it. How is it that they get any social services? How does that happen?

/lives in NJ


"They" don't get any other social services that any other poor (has nothing) person would get so that they don't starve. If they have children born here, those minor children are entitled to any social services a poor (has nothing) citizen receives who cannot work (yet) and is dependent on others (parents) for their care.

To get food stamps, unemployment benefits, welfare or almost anything else FOR YOURSELF (read this twice, people), you need to be a citizen. To get these things FOR YOUR CHILDREN you don't have to be a citizen, but your children do have to be citizens. The benefits are for THEM.

Hope that clears it up.
 
2008-11-12 06:01:59 PM  
The reason marijuana will not be legalized is precisely because they cannot figure out how to tax it.

It's too easy for everyone to grow. If you could grow it in your own back yard, how could they tax it?
 
2008-11-12 06:05:41 PM  
skitzo: Step 1: Reintrouce Prop 187 Link (new window) This was overwhelmingly passed by Californians but struck down by the courts. It's really the only way to save CA at this point.

And spend the money on the criminal justice system instead? You'll probably end up even more in the red.

Because People in power are Stupid: The answer is simple. Raise taxes.

Unfortunately, this won't work too well, either. I'm in Nevada and we've watched vast numbers of refugees from California move here.

Your problem is from initiatives. The people have mandated high spending and low taxes and you're seeing the result of it. I see no fix other than a ballot measure that undoes the problems.

helix400: Don't worry. California voters approved a $45 billion high speed rail line.

That kind of big government program will surely fix this debt problem.


Exactly. Until the people wise up there's no fixing the situation. It's just going to get worse as the intelligent ones leave.
 
2008-11-12 06:07:40 PM  
farkuufarkinfark: It's too easy for everyone to grow. If you could grow it in your own back yard, how could they tax it?

I really don't think so. I could distill my own alcohol, it isn't hard. But we're a hardcore on-demand consumerist culture, and people would be put off by the lack of convenience.
 
2008-11-12 06:13:57 PM  
canyoneer Drill, Baby, Drill.

I have a better idea. The vast majority of California is desert (witht he exception of the bay area and a few other places). Plenty of room for solar power plants.
 
2008-11-12 06:14:33 PM  
Father_Jack /and can i get an Amen for hot blooded kinky mexican women?

No, that would support stereotypes. ;)

/one more month until my divorce from one is final doesn't help either
 
2008-11-12 06:18:29 PM  
Okay Farkers, here comes the science; Econ 101 to be exact:

First off, NO PERSON pays taxes who does not have to; he only counts the money, and if he can pass on the cost, he will. That is okay if you are selling a product, but if your only "product" to sell is your labor, you are sh*t out of luck, dude.

In simple English, that means if you used to earn 1000 units of money and your tax goes up 10%, your pay goes down to 900 units the same day.

But if you are selling a product, your asking price goes from 100 to 110 units of money instantaneously.

But it also means two other things: If a Cadillac is $40,000 and the tax goes up 10%, fewer people are able---or willing---to pay $44,000 for a car which was only $40 large before.

Since taxes are higher, people are taking home less pay, so fewer cars will sell.

The second thing it means is, if you are running a high-tax area, someone else can set up a low-tax area, undercut you and steal jobs from your area.

So you start at 1000 units of money, and products cost 1000 units;

Taxes go up, so you have only 900 units to spend, but products now cost 1100 units;

Next, someone opens a low-tax area, so people earn 1100 units of money, but products only cost 900 units.

It creates a recession in one area, and a boom in another.

We now have a President-elect who doesn't understand this, and figures he can "help" the country by taking more money out of the hands of the people who don't have enough to begin with.

Good luck, comrade.
 
2008-11-12 06:21:41 PM  
Father_Jack: you guys who are so quick to point out the costs of illegals are cheerfully getting the economic benefit they provide by keeping costs for services lower, for the payments they make into soc sec they will never take out, and for the amazing taquerias they've decorated our state with.

illegals are not the problem with California's finances. they're the scape goat. an economy as large as ours isnt going to be made or broken by a bunch of illegals working in fields and cleaning hotel rooms.

We have two major and related problems: property taxes and the proposition system.

While on the one hand prop 13 saved little old ladies from eviction, it also hamstrung state revenues in a big way. We need to reform the property taxes.

And the propositions have to be destroyed. Schwarzenegger even said as much. becuase of the props, we issue bonds for everything, we MUST earmark x$ for [certain programs] and totally tie the hands of the budget makers.

aaaaand since prop 13 has weakened the core income stream for the state, the state relies of debt, and taxes on consumption which are much more volatile and unreliable. If we have a good year or two, the money pours in; if we have a recession the fount dries up and we have to cut schools and shiat to the bone. this is stupid.

Reform the property tax and take away the earmakrs coz of propositons and we'll be in better shape.


taxes on consumption should be the primary form of revenue for any government. income tax should be secondary. property tax shouldnt even exist.

as far as the proposition system, i like it because it is direct democracy that circumvents the idiots in the legislature. very rare to have that power as a common citizen in any country
 
2008-11-12 06:24:29 PM  
Father_Jack: And denying immigrants kids education? that's the most retarded thing ever. what we dislike about immigrants of all groups is the fact that they're not like us, dont speak our language, share our values etc... the best way to get them to assimilate is to educate them in our schools. My gf is half mexican, her dad's from oaxaca. he had a 2nd family and a number of his kids are here, some legally, some illegally. Guess what: they're mexican. They always will be. their kids? totally american. Why? they went thru school here.

The problem is that offering free services of any kind to illegals motivates more illegals to come here. Come to America so your children can be born here and suck off the state! And California, being massively liberal in its school policy, is NOT focusing on assimilation - rather on promoting a million different cultures other than ours. Classes tought in Spanish rather than English, for instance. Assimilation means knowing the primary language of the country and how to read, write, and do math at at least a basic level - things which California doesn't seem to have a very high success rate with.

California is a very rich state, if it had been managed properly in the past then there wouldn't be a massive budget deficit now.
 
2008-11-12 06:37:06 PM  
j0ndas: California is a very rich state, if it had been managed properly in the past then there wouldn't be a massive budget deficit now.

California's economic problems were not created by illegal immigration, and they can not, and will not be fixed either by changing illegal immigration policies, or changing the enforcement of existing policies. California voters, bless their well-intentioned hearts, continually approve huge bond measures as if bonds never had to be repaid. There's a systematic problem here of agreeing to spend incremental amounts of money per year without adding it up and realizing we just can't afford to do it all.
 
2008-11-12 06:39:07 PM  
Yayyy!!! EVERYONE'S BROKE! YAYY!!!
 
2008-11-12 06:46:17 PM  
j0ndas: The problem is that offering free services of any kind to illegals motivates more illegals to come here. Come to America so your children can be born here and suck off the state! And California, being massively liberal in its school policy, is NOT focusing on assimilation - rather on promoting a million different cultures other than ours. Classes tought in Spanish rather than English, for instance. Assimilation means knowing the primary language of the country and how to read, write, and do math at at least a basic level - things which California doesn't seem to have a very high success rate with.

California is a very rich state, if it had been managed properly in the past then there wouldn't be a massive budget deficit now.


yeah i hear this, i totally do. i guess i just dont agree with it coz it doesnt seem to be my experience. the latinos i know didnt come here to leach off the state, they came here to make money and then go home and build houses with the savings, or came here to get out of poverty in their home regions of LatAm.

the assimilation issues are very real and i do think we're doing it poorly. Being tolerant of other cultures and encouraging multiculturalism is fine, but that doesnt have to be at the expense of, or the shame of, the majority culture. And interaction with state agencies should be in ENGLISH.
 
2008-11-12 06:47:32 PM  
bhcompy: as far as the proposition system, i like it because it is direct democracy that circumvents the idiots in the legislature. very rare to have that power as a common citizen in any country

not this.


overslacked: California's economic problems were not created by illegal immigration, and they can not, and will not be fixed either by changing illegal immigration policies, or changing the enforcement of existing policies. California voters, bless their well-intentioned hearts, continually approve huge bond measures as if bonds never had to be repaid. There's a systematic problem here of agreeing to spend incremental amounts of money per year without adding it up and realizing we just can't afford to do it all.

this!
 
2008-11-12 07:04:42 PM  
Aaaaaand we are about to raise taxes!!!
Liberalism is in full bloom over here kids.
 
2008-11-12 07:05:24 PM  
bhcompy:
taxes on consumption should be the primary form of revenue for any government. income tax should be secondary. property tax shouldnt even exist.

Huge hole in your logic... a state expenditure budget relying solely on revenues from consumption taxes would be unfeasible due the fickle nature of the consuming public. In other words, how can you make a budget when you have no idea how much money is going to be coming in from quarter to quarter, much less from year to year?

as far as the proposition system, i like it because it is direct democracy that circumvents the idiots in the legislature. very rare to have that power as a common citizen in any country

...and gives all the power to the uneducated idiots in the hinterlands. There a reason why we have a representative instead of a direct democracy... there always needs to be a buffer against the stupid in any system of government (prop 8 is a great example of this)...

I don't think so.
 
2008-11-12 07:07:18 PM  
bhcompy: as far as the proposition system, i like it because it is direct democracy that circumvents the idiots in the legislature. very rare to have that power as a common citizen in any country

And there's a damn good reason most countries don't give that power to common citizens. Otherwise, our legislature is run by the idiots who can't even manage to fill a McD order properly.
 
2008-11-12 07:08:21 PM  
rewind2846: Huge hole in your logic... a state expenditure budget relying solely on revenues from consumption taxes would be unfeasible due the fickle nature of the consuming public. In other words, how can you make a budget when you have no idea how much money is going to be coming in from quarter to quarter, much less from year to year?

Well, you *could* do what sane people do and only spend money you actually *have*. I.e. last years taxes. Just saying...
 
2008-11-12 07:12:37 PM  
overslacked:
Also, comments like:
The second is a democratic congress passing a 700 billion bailout for banks.

Associating that pile of garbage with Democrats is pathetic. It couldn't have passed without (R) support, which it had in spades.


Really, I forgot who has the majority in congress, remind me again
 
2008-11-12 07:17:33 PM  
groby: rewind2846: Huge hole in your logic... a state expenditure budget relying solely on revenues from consumption taxes would be unfeasible due the fickle nature of the consuming public. In other words, how can you make a budget when you have no idea how much money is going to be coming in from quarter to quarter, much less from year to year?

Well, you *could* do what sane people do and only spend money you actually *have*. I.e. last years taxes. Just saying...


Have you ever saved your entire paycheck for a year, not spending a dime of it, so that you could make out a budget and spend it all next year... even though you have no idea what you expenditures would be next year? Do you actually think the state just tosses all the money from last years' taxes into a giant piggy bank and leaves it there?

No accidents?

Your house doesn't burn down?

Your car doesn't get stolen?

You don't get cancer?


Didn't think so.
 
2008-11-12 07:19:55 PM  
Father_Jack: pedobearapproved: I don't see why it's controversial to say you don't want illegal immigrants?

he said mexicans, not illegals.

so do yo just fail at reading or are you a bigot too?


Hey dumbass, if they were legal, they'd be "Americans" or "United Staters" or whatever you want to refer to us as, NOT MEXICAN.

I have no problem with Mexicans, I have no problem with immigrants, I have a problem with Mexican nationals ignoring the border (hince our laws), and that's just the tip of the ice berg.

/stupid farkers
 
2008-11-12 07:23:38 PM  
Sliding Carp : So, how's that Prop 13 been working out for you guys?

Just fine, thanks for asking.

1% property tax in a state with $600,000 houses
vs
3% property tax in a state with $200,000 houses

That part of prop 13 isn't the problem because it all works out. Besides, if you raised the tax percentage, you'd see a fall in property values as well and you would be back to square 1.

And for the 2nd part of prop 13 (that limits how much property taxes can be raised in a year). That's not an issue either.

IE, say, a house was worth $200,000, ($2000 property tax). And then, in a period of 4 years, the value of said house rises to $500,000 ($5000 property tax).

Explain to me how a 250% increase in their tax makes sense? Did the roadways suddenly get 250% better? Are they suddenly consuming 250% of public services?
 
2008-11-12 07:25:28 PM  
pedobearapproved: Hey dumbass, if they were legal, they'd be "Americans" or "United Staters" or whatever you want to refer to us as, NOT MEXICAN.

so a guy with a green card is no longer a citizen of his home country?

a guy who immigrates here is no longer culturally or ethnically of his homeland?


man you fail. lol!
 
2008-11-12 07:29:50 PM  
j0ndas: Father_Jack: And denying immigrants kids education? that's the most retarded thing ever. what we dislike about immigrants of all groups is the fact that they're not like us, dont speak our language, share our values etc... the best way to get them to assimilate is to educate them in our schools. My gf is half mexican, her dad's from oaxaca. he had a 2nd family and a number of his kids are here, some legally, some illegally. Guess what: they're mexican. They always will be. their kids? totally american. Why? they went thru school here.

The problem is that offering free services of any kind to illegals motivates more illegals to come here. Come to America so your children can be born here and suck off the state! And California, being massively liberal in its school policy, is NOT focusing on assimilation - rather on promoting a million different cultures other than ours. Classes tought in Spanish rather than English, for instance. Assimilation means knowing the primary language of the country and how to read, write, and do math at at least a basic level - things which California doesn't seem to have a very high success rate with.


fairly good, but the promotion of cultures other than our own is fine as long as it doesn't impeed the learning of what you need to survive in the culture in which you live. If I lived in France and was only being educated in English do you think it'd be amiss when I wasn't able to fine a decent job after graduation because my skill set wasn't up to being able to make it in a french speaking society?

Once schools stop teaching the basics of surviving in the culture where they are located they have failed the taxpayers, the common citizens, the parents, and the students. (want a better example, look at what happened in Hawaii where they were teaching classes in Hawaiian. the result? the kids knew how to read, speak, and write in Hawaiian...not so much with the English though).
 
2008-11-12 07:31:54 PM  
pedobearapproved: I have no problem with Mexicans, I have no problem with immigrants, I have a problem with Mexican nationals ignoring the border (hince our laws), and that's just the tip of the ice berg.

/stupid farkers


Then why don't you seem to have a problem with the employers (american citizens) who not only lure them but enable these immigrants to stay in this country? Folks like you seem to want to attack the 'problem' from the wrong end, even if as you say you "have no problem with mexicans".

The best way to slow and even reverse immigration is to make jobs more scarce for non-citizens, and for that you go after the people who hire them, not the immigrants. Potential employers will have to make a decision - cheap labor and real jail time/fines/loss of their business, or more expensive us citizen labor.

Not a tough decision... but go ahead and beat up on the brown man if it makes you feel better. Just be aware that he's not your real enemy.
 
2008-11-12 07:38:51 PM  
rewind2846:
Have you ever saved your entire paycheck for a year, not spending a dime of it, so that you could make out a budget and spend it all next year...

As opposed to the government, I actually *do* have a monthly income. And no, I don't spend any money before I have it.

even though you have no idea what you expenditures would be next year?

The same like last year, plus inflation? And if I want a big-ticket item (like, say, a light rail), I actually - gasp! - save before I buy it.

Do you actually think the state just tosses all the money from last years' taxes into a giant piggy bank and leaves it there?

No, but I think the state *should* do that. Basing your financial well-being on cash-flow instead of assets can turn painful fast.


No accidents?
Your house doesn't burn down?
Your car doesn't get stolen?


You are aware that there are such things as "insurance", yes? Also, if you manage your budget, you do have an emergency fund set aside...


You don't get cancer?
If I do get it, I'd hope there's some health insurance that picks up the tab. That's what health insurance is about - take the low-risk, but expensive items, pool the risk, spread the cost.

Of course, that doesn't really work with a pure for-profit system. Spread the cost is not a concept a company likes.



Didn't think so.

Try rethinking.
 
2008-11-12 07:40:50 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons: KaponoFor3: Because People in power are Stupid: The answer is simple. Raise taxes.

...or, alternatively, cut spending -- or did that one not even enter your mind?

omg you can't possibly raise taxes!


People that did not get a D in economics want people to spend more money, what is more likely to get you to spend money.

a> If I take more money from your wallet.
b> If I leave more money in your wallet.
 
2008-11-12 07:42:28 PM  
Father_Jack: pedobearapproved: Hey dumbass, if they were legal, they'd be "Americans" or "United Staters" or whatever you want to refer to us as, NOT MEXICAN.

so a guy with a green card is no longer a citizen of his home country?

a guy who immigrates here is no longer culturally or ethnically of his homeland?

man you fail. lol!


lol all you want, but you fail in being able to take what you know is meant and arguing against that, instead you have to try and paint me as a bigot.

Fark rule 1: when you have no real argument but haven't finished biatching go straight for the ad hominem attack.

Also I don't know if I should baby step you through the differences between ethnicity and cultural background and citizenship, and legal immigration and illegal immigration, or I should just facepalm.

/As a first generation immigrant I think I'll just facepalm
//facepalm
 
2008-11-12 07:48:44 PM  
rewind2846: pedobearapproved: I have no problem with Mexicans, I have no problem with immigrants, I have a problem with Mexican nationals ignoring the border (hince our laws), and that's just the tip of the ice berg.

/stupid farkers

Then why don't you seem to have a problem with the employers (american citizens) who not only lure them but enable these immigrants to stay in this country? Folks like you seem to want to attack the 'problem' from the wrong end, even if as you say you "have no problem with mexicans".

The best way to slow and even reverse immigration is to make jobs more scarce for non-citizens, and for that you go after the people who hire them, not the immigrants. Potential employers will have to make a decision - cheap labor and real jail time/fines/loss of their business, or more expensive us citizen labor.

Not a tough decision... but go ahead and beat up on the brown man if it makes you feel better. Just be aware that he's not your real enemy.


*BUZZ!* But thanks for playing, plenty of parting gifts in the back

quoting me, from my post above:

"Seriously they need to do something to stop the waves of illegals. This sounds better than most solutions. Destroy the demand, and you'll destroy the supply. *Cough* the reason the war on drugs isn't working *cough*"

In the post you quoted I said the problem is illegeal Mexican nationals, but I never said the solution was at the border itself.

Geezus!
 
2008-11-12 07:49:41 PM  
farkuufarkinfark: The reason marijuana will not be legalized is precisely because they cannot figure out how to tax it.

It's too easy for everyone to grow. If you could grow it in your own back yard, how could they tax it?


Beats me. How do they keep people from growing it themselves now?
 
2008-11-12 07:53:10 PM  
pedobearapproved: Really, I forgot who has the majority in congress, remind me again

Just so I'm clear then - you're going to continue insisting that the bailout was a move made purely by Democrats, and also expect us to look to you as responsible source of information?
 
2008-11-12 08:01:50 PM  
fireandashes36: well, I know that bonds eventually increase the debt...but can't we just do more of that for now?

Eventually?
 
Displayed 50 of 168 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report