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2008-11-10 11:06:17 PM
groby: communistsarestupid: Yeah, the cops in Baghdad with 3 weeks of training are doing an outstanding job.

Hey, I thought the surge worked and it's all kittens and rainbows over there?

And you might want to check how long training for police forces in the U.S. is. Or are you emigrating?


Are we talking about police training or civillian defense force training. If they go to the police academy, that would make them regular cops and not civilians.
 
2008-11-10 11:06:26 PM
fernandez: The_Gallant_Gallstone:
Well... if it's any consolation... if the Admins over at World of Warcraft become tyrants, I believe you will do what is right to bring freedom to the Horde (or Alliance; whichever side of the basement you're on)

I won't even pony up $5 for a TotalFark account, what makes you think I'd pay whatever it is per month to play a game?


But how is Drew going to pay for his flat screen in the bathroom? Stop thinking of only yourself...
 
2008-11-10 11:09:03 PM
doofusgumby: damn. avoided putting anyone on ignore for a whole year and half, now two in one day.

now if Drew would update the code so I don't have to see the responses to darconix and libbynomore2, I'd be a little happier.


I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me. It's like, what gives them the right to even live, let alone occupy the same message board as me. What's with this political indicator too? Fark needs to go back to being the liberal circle jerk that it used to be. I don't like other people challenging my radical views...it makes me have to think.
 
2008-11-10 11:10:46 PM
This was such an interesting and exciting thread, with maqOr in place really experiencing it, a chance for the internet to give us one of the beautiful and meaningful opportunities that only it can, connecting people to people across the globe, making it so that we can touch this conflict in a real and human way instead of just seeing it on TV like some cheaply shot movie...

and libbynomore2 had to come and poop on it.
 
2008-11-10 11:11:48 PM
Director_Mr: BigDumbGuy: You know this guy is starting to sound like a lunatic dictator. The next thing you know he will be blaming America for anything bad in the world and ranting about American assassination plots on him.

I am interested in hearing the Fark leftists defend Hugo Chavez and talking about how great he is like they were doing 2 years ago.


I think a lot of people wanted to see what he would do. Obviously he isn't the answer to Venezuela's problems. Now all we need is the Fark Fascists to admit that Bush has been a total failure.
 
2008-11-10 11:12:01 PM
If Chavez blows a gasket in the run up to elections, Obama will have a great opportunity to undo some of his 'socialist' labeled baggage by way of a vigorous defense of American interests here in the western hemisphere... or he can be soft on the guy.

The Russian government and the American people will be watching.

In the meantime, God bless you farkers down in Venezuela. I'm pulling for ya.
 
2008-11-10 11:12:25 PM
libbynomore2: Most of you may not know shiat about how economics work, but you'll still suffer when you can't find work.

I'm pretty sure the economy was doing pretty good right up until election day... it was like a switch... once that latte-sipping, Trotskyite uppity Barack got elected, everything went topsy-turvy.
 
2008-11-10 11:13:11 PM
iaazathot:
I think a lot of people wanted to see what he would do. Obviously he isn't the answer to Venezuela's problems. Now all we need is the Fark Fascists to admit that Bush has been a total failure.


Bush is a failure. That wasn't so hard.
 
2008-11-10 11:13:52 PM
dreadlocksFTW Quote 2008-11-10 11:09:03 PM
doofusgumby: damn. avoided putting anyone on ignore for a whole year and half, now two in one day.

now if Drew would update the code so I don't have to see the responses to darconix and libbynomore2, I'd be a little happier.

I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me. It's like, what gives them the right to even live, let alone occupy the same message board as me. What's with this political indicator too? Fark needs to go back to being the liberal circle jerk that it used to be. I don't like other people challenging my radical views...it makes me have to think.



ROTFLMAO!

Yes, it's funny except what you consider the fact that Obama has shown more than once that he has the same cowardly attitude about dissent.

Obama=Hugo Chavez
 
2008-11-10 11:14:13 PM
maq0r: Thanks, we've already faced this before and will do it again:

My hat is off to you, and keep on going.

/Greetings from Mexico, BTW
 
2008-11-10 11:15:22 PM
dreadlocksFTW: I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me.

When loud, obnoxious and drunken intruders crash a party, some people throw them out. Some people call the cops. dreadlocksFTW does neither... instead he seeks out consensus and mutually rewarding dialogue. Only problem with that is bottom-feeders have nothing to offer. It's kinda like going to a crappy restaurant, finding a cochroach, and asking it for financial advice.
 
2008-11-10 11:15:42 PM
dreadlocksFTW: doofusgumby: damn. avoided putting anyone on ignore for a whole year and half, now two in one day.

now if Drew would update the code so I don't have to see the responses to darconix and libbynomore2, I'd be a little happier.

I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me. It's like, what gives them the right to even live, let alone occupy the same message board as me. What's with this political indicator too? Fark needs to go back to being the liberal circle jerk that it used to be. I don't like other people challenging my radical views...it makes me have to think.


obvious trolls have nothing to offer in the give and take of ideas.
 
2008-11-10 11:16:13 PM
IamAwake: It's amazing how few people *get* that not only are we not in a democracy, we damn well should be glad we're not. Things have gone to hell the last couple decades precisely *because* the common person should not be spending their time worrying about the day-to-day shiat that is politics, and politicians should *not* be spending their entire time checking polls.

Disagree? Learn some history. The US wouldn't have even had it's very first steps of coming into being if true leaders had done what their represented had wanted.

The brilliance of the US always was that things could be changed easily if the people were so moved, and it was a problem of liberty. That's no longer the case now (RIAA witch-hunts, massive bailouts to give the rich more money, etc) somehow.


I've never liked it when people say the US is not a democracy; we are, we're just a different flavor. We are a representative republic. The Founders were HORRIFIED at the prospect of mob rule and the tyranny of the majority, hence the Senate, the Electoral College, and various other compromises.

The problem for other countries, and a problem the current administration either could not or refused to see, is that our brand of democracy is very hard to establish and maintain. The Republic system is prone to producing dictators and strongmen. It was only because of the great collection of leaders we had at our founding that we got the ball rolling.
 
2008-11-10 11:16:37 PM
Kesherz: Biness: Radioactive Ass: Donald_McRonald: You're a brainless twit.

Not really. I like and voted for the Governator twice and I had to do a big facepalm after he said that. He shouldn't have said anything other than the courts will decide on the matter. His job is to support the will of the people until it's decided otherwise.

actually, the courts can't decide it. its a constitutional amendment. that takes the whole thing away from the courts and put it in the hands of the people.

Actually, in this case, they can. Apparently California has two processes for amending the state constitution: 1) a referendum, which can only add new clauses to the constitution; and 2) a full amendment which can rewrite the constitution, but requires a 2/3 majority of the state legislature before it can even be voted on by the people.

The argument is that, by attempting to change the definition of marriage to only apply to man-woman, Prop 8 actually would be rewriting the "equal treatment" clause of the state constitution. That can only validly be done by a full amendment (type 2), and not by a simple majority vote of the populace. If that argument holds up in court, Prop 8 could be found invalid.


And let's hope that is found to be invalid, because, quite frankly, it is a waste of time.
 
2008-11-10 11:16:42 PM
dreadlocksFTW: I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me. It's like, what gives them the right to even live, let alone occupy the same message board as me. What's with this political indicator too? Fark needs to go back to being the liberal circle jerk that it used to be. I don't like other people challenging my radical views...it makes me have to think.

You should remember how you troll in each thread. You are being inconsistent.
 
2008-11-10 11:17:55 PM
tonesskin: dreadlocksFTW: I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me. It's like, what gives them the right to even live, let alone occupy the same message board as me. What's with this political indicator too? Fark needs to go back to being the liberal circle jerk that it used to be. I don't like other people challenging my radical views...it makes me have to think.

You should remember how you troll in each thread. You are being inconsistent.


Seriously. Pick a personality and stick with it.
 
2008-11-10 11:19:23 PM
libbynomore2: dreadlocksFTW Quote 2008-11-10 11:09:03 PM
doofusgumby: damn. avoided putting anyone on ignore for a whole year and half, now two in one day.

now if Drew would update the code so I don't have to see the responses to darconix and libbynomore2, I'd be a little happier.

I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me. It's like, what gives them the right to even live, let alone occupy the same message board as me. What's with this political indicator too? Fark needs to go back to being the liberal circle jerk that it used to be. I don't like other people challenging my radical views...it makes me have to think.


ROTFLMAO!

Yes, it's funny except what you consider the fact that Obama has shown more than once that he has the same cowardly attitude about dissent.

Obama=Hugo Chavez


FSM you are an idiot.

McSame/Flailin = Fecal matter, dur, dur, dur...
 
2008-11-10 11:19:39 PM
He was democratically elected. And re-elected. And tossed out by a Coup, then brought back in thanks to the will of the people. Look up the definition of 'Dictator', and realize your fail if you call Chavez a dictator.

You have a right to disagree with him, but calling for his assassination means you don't believe in democracy - you only believe in democracy when the folks you like win. You are the greatest enemies of democracy.

He is excessively paranoid, but consider where he's at: just about every socialist (or even populist) leader in the western hemisphere has been assassinated either by the US or by people we fund for the past 50+ years. You can't say his paranoia is without justification.

In order to understand the situation, you have to understand social class in Venezuela and US involvement in unconditionally promoting its interests in the region. Folks who are in the upper-middle or upper classes are protecting their social status by opposing him. Those in the lower classes seek their interests and have elected him, and for the fist time in the nation's history the government is responding to their needs. The upper classes attempted a coup once, and any advocate of democracy should denounce those involved and support true democracy in Venezuela. I welcome any change in Venezuela that is democratic, but sadly the upper crust doesn't appear to care for democracy if their guy isn't in power.

No more Pinochets, no more Somozas.
 
2008-11-10 11:21:16 PM
"If the people elect someone whom I don't agree with, I will send tanks to preserve the REAL will of the people". "

No, that was Reagan defending his invasion of Grenada in 1983.
 
2008-11-10 11:22:02 PM
The_Gallant_Gallstone: dreadlocksFTW: I know right! Nothing I hate more than seeing people with different opinions than me.

When loud, obnoxious and drunken intruders crash a party, some people throw them out. Some people call the cops. dreadlocksFTW does neither... instead he seeks out consensus and mutually rewarding dialogue. Only problem with that is bottom-feeders have nothing to offer. It's kinda like going to a crappy restaurant, finding a cochroach, and asking it for financial advice.


Anyone who disagrees with you is a drunken intruder. You must work for the ACLU or be unemployed because I can't imagine you working with others who have different opinions. Good luck to you....really
 
2008-11-10 11:23:35 PM
1. Put snakes on plane:
Seriously. Pick a personality and stick with it.


No.
 
2008-11-10 11:26:12 PM
maq0r: Bill_Wick's_Friend: This differs from the USA's policy on Palestine's election of Hamas and on Algeria's election of the FLN......how exactly?

In that he is using the military to suppress us, his own people?.

Simón Bolivar once said: "¡Maldito el soldado que levante sus armas contra el pueblo!". Which translates into english as: "Damn the soldier that turns its weapons against his own people".

He's releasing the tanks?, bring em, we'll be waiting.


Comes down to it, look to the Afghans versus the Soviets and the North Vietnamese versus the Americans for advice. Stick and move, small groups, keep out of sight. One skilled man with a rifle can pin down a platoon pretty quickly.
 
2008-11-10 11:26:17 PM
photos.upi.com

See that Arnie? If you don't like the way people vote you can just send the tanks out to "protect the true will of the people." Then you can drive your enemies before you and hear the lamentations of their women. So it's all good.
 
2008-11-10 11:26:17 PM
dreadlocksFTW: Anyone who disagrees with you is a drunken intruder. You must work for the ACLU or be unemployed because I can't imagine you working with others who have different opinions. Good luck to you....really

You seem to think Darconix and libbynomore2 offer anything of value. I would say you are the one who needs massive amounts of good fortune.
 
2008-11-10 11:26:54 PM
libbynomore2: KernLead Quote 2008-11-10 10:36:39 PM
Has Whidbey Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Durbin, Hoyer, Clinton, and HUNDREDS of other Democrats renounced Chavez?

FTFY


Dude, you're persistent. Too far out there and nonsensical, but persistent. I gotta give you credit there. It'll get you bites.
 
2008-11-10 11:28:48 PM
The_Gallant_Gallstone: dreadlocksFTW: Anyone who disagrees with you is a drunken intruder. You must work for the ACLU or be unemployed because I can't imagine you working with others who have different opinions. Good luck to you....really

You seem to think Darconix and libbynomore2 offer anything of value. I would say you are the one who needs massive amounts of good fortune.


I've seen you in other threads chief. Pretty much anyone who disagrees with you gets you really uncomfortable. You spend a lot of time and energy portraying them as a troll and trying to get others to do the same. I'm not saying anything about darconix and libbynomore2, I'm saying you have a problem with people different than you. Don't cry about it....just constructive criticism. You're welcome.
 
2008-11-10 11:28:55 PM
Ikimasen: This was such an interesting and exciting thread, with maqOr in place really experiencing it, a chance for the internet to give us one of the beautiful and meaningful opportunities that only it can, connecting people to people across the globe, making it so that we can touch this conflict in a real and human way instead of just seeing it on TV like some cheaply shot movie...

and libbynomore2 had to come and poop on it.


Wow, do you right Obama campaign speeches? Cause they are equally full of substance.
 
2008-11-10 11:28:57 PM
Poor Hugo. Is your little petrodollar-fueled socialist utopia coming apart? Are your little buddies Russia and Iran feeling the heat too? Funny how quickly your new world order fell apart when oil prices dropped.
 
2008-11-10 11:30:17 PM
How Obamaesque! Redistributing the ammo.
 
2008-11-10 11:30:32 PM
doofusgumby: damn. avoided putting anyone on ignore for a whole year and half, now two in one day.

now if Drew would update the code so I don't have to see the responses to darconix and libbynomore2, I'd be a little happier.


I got an idea for you. Just ignore Fark.
 
2008-11-10 11:30:40 PM
The_Gallant_Gallstone: Funk Brothers: Obama will raise Hugo's socialist oppression tanks with his A-1 Abrams, aircraft carriers, 300,000 drafted troops, submarines, cruisers, and a laser.

You forgot Poland.

trappedspirit: I'm telling you guys, we did as they asked. We elected who the terrorists wanted. Everything is going to be safe now. We did as they asked.

I'm not in the business of not doing something just because Osama Bin Laden said so. If Osama Bin Laden told me not to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, I wouldn't do it just to spite him. You got to put some thought into your comments man... this isn't the Cosmo "10 Ways to Please Your Man" Forum. You're rolling with the big dogs now... and libbynomore2


What??? OBL did not want McCain elected. We saw to it that his wish was granted. WTH are you talking about?
 
2008-11-10 11:31:13 PM
Gee, I dunno, if Hugo were gonna send tanks to my town I'd vote for his man - duhh - that's how you keep the tanks out. Besides, Sean Penn says he's a great guy so really people who say he's a dictator must be full of crap.
 
2008-11-10 11:31:53 PM
Imbrifer: He was democratically elected. And re-elected. And tossed out by a Coup, then brought back in thanks to the will of the people. Look up the definition of 'Dictator', and realize your fail if you call Chavez a dictator.

You have a right to disagree with him, but calling for his assassination means you don't believe in democracy - you only believe in democracy when the folks you like win. You are the greatest enemies of democracy.

He is excessively paranoid, but consider where he's at: just about every socialist (or even populist) leader in the western hemisphere has been assassinated either by the US or by people we fund for the past 50+ years. You can't say his paranoia is without justification.

In order to understand the situation, you have to understand social class in Venezuela and US involvement in unconditionally promoting its interests in the region. Folks who are in the upper-middle or upper classes are protecting their social status by opposing him. Those in the lower classes seek their interests and have elected him, and for the fist time in the nation's history the government is responding to their needs. The upper classes attempted a coup once, and any advocate of democracy should denounce those involved and support true democracy in Venezuela. I welcome any change in Venezuela that is democratic, but sadly the upper crust doesn't appear to care for democracy if their guy isn't in power.

No more Pinochets, no more Somozas.


Wait,

What?

Nobody is calling for his assasination, nor for a coup. He uses the 'the empire wants to kill me' card to rally support, but it happens every single time there's an election. He went to Zulia state (a bastion of opposition) and kept saying 'From this state a plan to kill me is in motion', two days later he went to Sucre state and said the same thing, then Carabobo, then Nueva Esparta.

Nobody wants to kill him, even opposition leaders said, several times: "Dude, nobody wants to kill you or throw you off, we are doing this the democratic way".

And here's how we are doing it, in 2001 there was a coup, he got back stronger than before and kept using the coup as a way to say we aren't democrats and he is.

Last year, there was a constitutional referendum (which included among other things, indefinite reelection) which he lost. 6 months later he had Congress give him special powers to enact laws by decree and enacted 26 laws that MIMIC what the PEOPLE voted NO in the referendum.

Now, we are going towards Governors and Mayors Sunday next week, nobody in the opposition has called for his head, or bloodshed, or whatever, just to be democratic, and that's what driving him nuts, he can't use the 'they are not peaceful democratic people' so his facade of being a democratic leader is over.

And we are exposing him more and more each day.
 
2008-11-10 11:31:58 PM
See what I mean? There are people in here who are being threatened with tanks and you're just taking shots at a politician in the US. Who the Hell cares about that in this context? When you've only got a hammer everything looks like a nail.
 
2008-11-10 11:32:17 PM
trappedspirit: Wow, do you right Obama campaign speeches?

You can use "moran" for "moron" and "vodak" for "vodka," but I'm pretty sure you still have to use "write" for that one.

dreadlocksFTW: I've seen you in other threads chief. Pretty much anyone who disagrees with you gets you really uncomfortable. You spend a lot of time and energy portraying them as a troll and trying to get others to do the same.

Come on guy... you seem like a good person. I heard you're quite friendly with Bofa
 
2008-11-10 11:34:14 PM
Animatronik: Gee, I dunno, if Hugo were gonna send tanks to my town I'd vote for his man - duhh - that's how you keep the tanks out. Besides, Sean Penn says he's a great guy so really people who say he's a dictator must be full of crap.

Vote for me for Falls Township Board of Supervisors or else Hugo Chavez is going to march into Burger King and nationalize the Coke machine.
 
2008-11-10 11:37:38 PM
Always good to know you're still around, maq0r
 
2008-11-10 11:37:56 PM
www.users.on.net

It's always "for the people".

Except in America. America has NEVER deposed legitimately elected governments just because they didn't like the winner.
 
2008-11-10 11:39:29 PM
shhhh....don't be giving Dear Leader Barack any ideas.
 
2008-11-10 11:39:39 PM
There was a neat photoshop of Hugo's head on the body of the fat Chinese kid at McDonalds. fark that was funny.
 
2008-11-10 11:44:13 PM
Man, I can't wait till we have these brownshirts so I can turn libbynomore2 in for rampant stupidity.


I love how Republicanists are now AGAINST "a well-armed militia."

(I refuse to call them 'Republicans.' My dad was a Republican and he didn't even begin to resemble these farking morons... They just cheer the side they picked, whatever carries the name 'Republican,' without any farking clue what the principles and idealogy of the ACTUAL Rpeublicans are... They're just the malleable mulletheads who allowed the zealots to drag the party over into nutjob corporatist land.)
 
2008-11-10 11:45:26 PM
it scares me that america just elected a socialist like this guy
 
2008-11-10 11:48:03 PM
The_Gallant_Gallstone: You can use "moran" for "moron" and "vodak" for "vodka," but I'm pretty sure you still have to use "write" for that one.

Oh, you're pretty alrighty
 
2008-11-10 11:48:12 PM
No he isn't Ahhhh. xen0blue! Why would you say that? You seriously think that Barack Obama is going to send tanks after you if he doesn't get re-elected? You're trivializing some serious shiat going down out there by comparing this to any politician in this country.
 
2008-11-10 11:48:16 PM
All the people that are equating Obama with Chavez are cheapening the struggle that maq0r and his fellow Venezuelans are facing.

Good luck to you, man.
 
2008-11-10 11:49:14 PM
And here is an ignore for you libbynomore2. Congrats.

Now back to the real conversation...

Good luck maq0r. I think myself and all Americans for that matter should take note of situations like this. This is political "change" on a completely different level than what we fight for here in America and we would be wise to pay attention and provide support to those fighting for TRUE democracy with any means possible.
 
2008-11-10 11:49:51 PM
xen0blue: it scares me that america just eight and four years ago elected a socialist fascist like this guy

FTFY
 
2008-11-10 11:51:28 PM
The US system does the same thing. They don't encourage a third party to run and the majority mock anyone who votes for a third. they don't even let sane people lead those parties, and accuse them of being anti-democratic by "splitting" the vote. There aren't even two parties, since their candidates all talk about "crossing the aisle" ie: implementing the policies and strategies of whoever loses the election. can you imagine the sort of betrayal we'd feel in the rest of the world if our elections were as meaningless And yet the American people pretend they like they are living in a democracy. I'm sure Venezuelans feel exactly the same as Americans do.

There is hardly any reason to think Chavez is being much different than US electoral politics as a whole.
 
2008-11-10 11:52:33 PM
hyperspacemonkey: The US system does the same thing. They don't encourage a third party to run and the majority mock anyone who votes for a third. they don't even let sane people lead those parties, and accuse them of being anti-democratic by "splitting" the vote. There aren't even two parties, since their candidates all talk about "crossing the aisle" ie: implementing the policies and strategies of whoever loses the election. can you imagine the sort of betrayal we'd feel in the rest of the world if our elections were as meaningless And yet the American people pretend they like they are living in a democracy. I'm sure Venezuelans feel exactly the same as Americans do.

There is hardly any reason to think Chavez is being much different than US electoral politics as a whole.


Yeah, there is a difference. People who voted for Bob Barr aren't going to be lined up and shot.
 
2008-11-10 11:53:02 PM
libbynomore2: Kensey Quote 2008-11-10 09:58:03 PM
Was there ever anyone who believed Chavez was anything other than a dictator in all but name? Seriously?

Yes, the entire left wing of the Democratic Party. Why do you think they supported Obama? They're one and the same.

Don't believe me? Here's on of Obama's biggest supporters (new window) who speaks for most liberal Democrats.




you are a farking idiot..
 
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