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2008-11-09 01:07:42 PM
Someone should probably look into this, but I very much doubt they are getting significant radiation from those towers. The antennas have a broadcast pattern that reduces the signal directly below and near the tower. I hope they realize they are probably in a lot more danger holding their cellphones to their heads.
 
2008-11-09 01:20:10 PM
It's one of those things that I doubt cause cancer.

But then again, I wouldn't want one around my house (you know, if I wasn't homeless).
 
2008-11-09 01:39:07 PM
St_Francis_P: Someone should probably look into this, but I very much doubt they are getting significant radiation from those towers

I don't know specifically about Cell phone towers, but people have been afraid of power lines*, Wi-Fi internet and other 'dangerous radiation' before, and it's all turned out to be crap, I don't see this being any different, but it's certainly worthy of investigation.

*though I recall the super-high power high tension lines did have a correlation to cancer
 
2008-11-09 02:23:53 PM
Are they suddenly noticing rainbows when they run the sprinklers? I hear that disguised cell towers have something to do with that.
 
2008-11-09 02:24:03 PM
i510.photobucket.com
"There is unrest in the forest....."
 
2008-11-09 02:49:01 PM
When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.
 
2008-11-09 03:30:46 PM
But doesn't covering your head with tinfoil prevent this radiation form doing any harm?
 
2008-11-09 03:50:21 PM
NIMBY
 
2008-11-09 03:55:12 PM
blatherreview.mu.nu
 
2008-11-09 03:55:36 PM
I would be more worried if trees started disguising themselves as cell phone towers. That would be freaky.
 
2008-11-09 03:55:57 PM

Residents worry surge of cell phone towers disguised as trees may be exposing them to harmful microwave radiation, refuse to stand for it


Then I suppose they'll be sitting down.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:21 PM
...but give them bad cell coverage and they'll be the first ones complaining.


PS: Not one "electrosensitive" has passed a double-blind test yet, despite Randi's million bucks being up for grabs. Just saying.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:27 PM
What's with the increase of blank posts lately?
 
2008-11-09 03:56:29 PM
Oh NOES 25W of RF from a cell phone tower transmitter. Just imagine the horrors caused when I unleash 1000W of RF.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:34 PM
Pretty soon they're going to be using cell phone towers disguised...as human beings. Dun Dun Dunnnnnnnn.

From the article, the 'cell phone tower disguised as a trail pavilion' seems kinda dangerous to me. I can understand disguising it, but disguising it as something people might potentially be drawn to: "Hey, lets go rest under that pavilion!" zaaaaaaap.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:35 PM
lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?
 
2008-11-09 03:56:47 PM
Claims of these sort are unfounded. I work around RF all the time. In fact my office is at the base of a cell phone tower with 5 carriers and a public safety radio system, which is much higher power than the cell sites. Sure, I don't have any kids, and my head is twice the size of most folks, but..........
 
2008-11-09 03:57:18 PM
some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.
 
2008-11-09 03:57:46 PM
These are the same people who biatch to their cell phone companies that they don't have coverage.

Then they'd get pissed that cell towers are ugly (OK, I'll give em that - they are).

Now they're pissed that cell towers that are camouflaged to avoid uglifying their neighborhood might be giving them secret cancer?

My recommendation: Use two dixie cups and a string to talk to your friends and family - and STFU.
 
2008-11-09 03:58:04 PM

A cell phone tower diquised as a tree in Conifer, Colorado, along US 285 at Blackfoot Rd. (The Denver Post | Brian Brainerd)


Nice caption, Brian.
 
2008-11-09 03:58:52 PM
voran: From the article, the 'cell phone tower disguised as a trail pavilion' seems kinda dangerous to me. I can understand disguising it, but disguising it as something people might potentially be drawn to: "Hey, lets go rest under that pavilion!" zaaaaaaap.

You don't seem to know much about RF, cell phone towers or physics.
 
2008-11-09 03:59:04 PM
Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.


See the "Strangeguitar" post. I have noticed more today than before in various thread.
 
2008-11-09 03:59:27 PM
Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.


maybe he can't see uploaded photos
 
2008-11-09 04:00:32 PM
FTFA
"We are the guinea pigs, and only time will tell," the Martins wrote in a letter to neighbors.


As ninjakirby and St_Francis_P have suggested . . . no, you are not the guinea pigs, this stuff has been tested on us since the days of radio broadcasting, which would be over a hundred years now. I think it's safe to say you aren't in danger.
 
2008-11-09 04:00:38 PM
Normally I can, but I didn't before and now I do. Could be the homebrew. Carry on.
 
2008-11-09 04:00:44 PM
There is no scientific evidence to support any increased rates of cancer due to exposure to power lines or phone towers. Several studies have looked at the effects of radio waves and microwaves combined; these have generally not shown any increase in cancer, except for a US Air Force study that suggested an increase in brain tumors in association with radiofrequency/microwave exposure. The World Health Organization stated in 1993 that "the epidemiologic and comparative clinical studies do not provide clear evidence of detrimental health effects in humans from exposure to RF fields. Occupational exposure to RF will be at higher levels than that encountered by the general population, and, thus, there is less likelihood of health effects in the general population as a whole."

A study recently published in the British journal The Lancet (Vol. 354) found no association between electromagnetic fields (EMF) and childhood cancer.
Lead author Nick Day, PhD, professor of epidemiology at Cambridge University, and colleagues studied 2,226 children in the United Kingdom from infancy to age 14 with a confirmed cancer. Those children were compared with a control group of cancer-free children matched for date of birth and sex.
The researchers took measurements of EMF exposures at the children's homes - including the proximity and type of overhead power lines nearby and electrical appliances in the homes. They also measured exposures at schools or other institutions attended by the children.
"We find no evidence that magnetic fields associated with the electricity supply increase risk of childhood leukemia, malignant brain tumors, or any other childhood cancer," the study authors wrote.
They added, "The degrees of exposure were low compared with other studies reported from North America, probably because of differences in the operating characteristics of the electricity supply and wiring practices. Our results are consistent with those of larger studies on childhood leukemia that used measured fields and population based studies... ."

The researchers said an overview of all available data from studies of childhood leukemia with measured exposures to EMF is underway.
Michael Thun, MD, vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research for the American Cancer Society (ACS), said the new study is a strong one. "This is really a very nice, large, population-based study. It found no evidence of an association of EMF and acute lymphoclastic leukemia, all leukemias, central nervous system tumors, and all other malignant disease."
Studying the relationship of EMF to cancer is extraordinarily difficult, partly because it is difficult to measure exposures, Dr. Thun said. "This study went to great lengths to capture the major sources of exposure," he added.
The study's findings parallel those of a 1997 study that found no relationship to EMF and the most common types of childhood leukemia, according to Dr. Thun.
However, an editorial accompanying the study points out that there were not enough children with high category exposures to assess their risk reliably. A major childhood leukemia study currently underway in Japan is expected to address this issue.
Cancers in children account for only one in 360, or 0.3 percent, of all cancers. Every year, about 130 new childhood cancers are diagnosed for every 1 million children. However, cancer is the second leading cause of death in children under 14 years of age



www.freefoto.com
 
2008-11-09 04:00:47 PM
some attorney: Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.

See the "Strangeguitar" post. I have noticed more today than before in various thread.


your computer is farked my friend. The strangeguitar post is an uploaded picture
 
2008-11-09 04:00:54 PM
InternationalShoe: So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?

False analogy.
 
2008-11-09 04:00:56 PM
InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?


I see your point, but it's not exactly the same. Cell towers aren't proven to increase anyone's risk of cancer and can be built in such a way that you can't even tell they're there. A highway running for your back yard is pretty obviously a pain in the ass.
 
2008-11-09 04:02:01 PM
Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.


...or ARE there?
 
2008-11-09 04:06:22 PM
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2008-11-09 04:09:11 PM
thesubliminalman: blank

Beat me to it :)
 
2008-11-09 04:09:49 PM
A cell tower that looks like a cell tower is a lot less ugly than a cell tower that tries to look like a tree.

Just as formica that looks like formica is a lot less ugly than formica that tries to look like wood.

Revel in the technical infrastructure of your time.
 
2008-11-09 04:11:35 PM
img519.imageshack.us
 
2008-11-09 04:11:49 PM
thesubliminalman: blank

It's a frickin conspiracy. Do you know why these fark conspiracies against me only happen when I'm wasted? It's because the conspirators won't take me on when I'm sober. Either that or I get confused when I'm wasted, and there's no conspiracy, but that's just crazy talk.

I just figured out that all the trees in my yard are disguised cell phone towers that are messing with my brain. I fell for it for so long because they lose their "leaves" every fall, which is exactly what I would expect real trees to do. They have thought of everything. DIABOLICAL!
 
2008-11-09 04:12:22 PM
InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?


Apples, oranges. Can you tell the difference between on and near? If some company wants to build a cell tower on my property I may have a problem with that. Depends on the compensation. As it stands right now there are several cell towers right up the street from me. I get excellent reception.
 
2008-11-09 04:14:16 PM
Last week's headline:

Residents complain about ugly cell phone towers in their neighborhoods, refuse to stand for it
 
2008-11-09 04:14:24 PM
These types of complaints have nothing to do with science (because the science says, you are a hippie idiot). They have everything to do with NIMBY (Not In My BackYard).

Every single day we are literally bathed in a very large range of multifrequency radio energy. And we have been since the dawn (pun intended) of time. These frequencies and the breath and intensity of them have increased, yes, but they are scarcely something our bodies are designed to capture and absorb. The overwhelming vast majority of them pass through us utterly undetected and harmlessly.

For those bands that could effect us, the power levels needed are way above any levels radiated today. Some people have the belief that just being bathed in low levels of these waves over long periods of time will do the damage. Not true. Consider: if your placed your hand in front of a warm air vent, maybe 85 degrees and left it there for months or years, at the end of that time it'd still just be warm. It's not like it'd eventually burst into flames. So, same thing here.

In other words, chill out people. Sometimes technology does have to rear it's head into your view now and again in order to do what you want. Why am I sure that if those towers were removed and the people in those areas suddenly lost cell phone reception they'd be clamouring even louder for that to be fixed!
 
2008-11-09 04:15:05 PM
blank LINK (new window)
 
2008-11-09 04:15:17 PM
Shenanigans!: InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?

I see your point, but it's not exactly the same. Cell towers aren't proven to increase anyone's risk of cancer and can be built in such a way that you can't even tell they're there. A highway running for your back yard is pretty obviously a pain in the ass.


Better analogy, gas line running under your house. Or buried electrical cable. And the answer is still STFU.
 
2008-11-09 04:15:30 PM
InternationalShoe: Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.

maybe he can't see uploaded photos


hmmm, can't figure out browser settings? we had an archived tech support case like this once... what he needs to do is carefully place the computer back into the box, tape the box up and return it to the store. he's too farking stupid to own one..
 
2008-11-09 04:16:41 PM
i22.tinypic.com

/Obligatory
 
2008-11-09 04:16:43 PM
I just figured out that all the trees grass in my yard are disguised cell phone towers that are messing with my brain. And you some attorney are really freaking me out!
 
2008-11-09 04:18:41 PM
They won't, you know. They don't stand for baloney.
 
2008-11-09 04:18:55 PM
As cellphone use and WiFi use have increased, the per capita rate of brain cancer has decreased. The raw rate has increased, but that follows the increase in population.

If you want to make any unfounded correlation, it should be that cell phones, cell towers and WiFi cure brain cancer.
 
2008-11-09 04:19:02 PM
this just in,

government agencies often serve the interests of big business over those of the people whose wishes they have sworn to represent.
 
2008-11-09 04:20:35 PM
I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.
 
2008-11-09 04:20:56 PM
I hope these soccer moms actually do stop cell phone towers from going up in their neighborhood. I then hope their husband has a heart attack in the backyard while shes at her PTA meeting. Poor hubby can't get reception on his cell, and drops dead.

That would be mint.
 
2008-11-09 04:22:21 PM
InternationalShoe: So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?

The cell companies go to the land owner and offer to purchase cell tower leases or easements. This happens a lot in both crowded metro areas and rural areas where there are very few city easements.

The cell company cannot just show up and put a cell tower on your property. They can place it on a city easement if the city cooperates but more often it's cheaper to buy the lease from the owner. There are sites to help you negotiate the best price/deal when a cell company approaches you.
 
2008-11-09 04:22:44 PM
RedLeg1525: I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.

I think people were worrying that fluoridated water was disrupting their brain waves so that Yuri could mind control them.
 
2008-11-09 04:23:18 PM
lajimi: If some company wants to build a cell tower on my property I may have a problem with that will cheerfully take their rent money. EIP!
 
2008-11-09 04:24:25 PM
RedLeg1525: I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.

How about people who were paranoid about microwave ovens when they first came out --- but then someone figured out you could make popcorn in one and, well, that fight was over.
 
2008-11-09 04:25:45 PM
Torque420: There is no scientific evidence to support any increased rates of cancer due to exposure to power lines or phone towers. Several studies have looked at the effects of radio waves and microwaves combined; these have generally not shown any increase in cancer, except for a US Air Force study that suggested an increase in brain tumors in association with radiofrequency/microwave exposure. The World Health Organization stated in 1993 that "the epidemiologic and comparative clinical studies do not provide clear evidence of detrimental health effects in humans from exposure to RF fields. Occupational exposure to RF will be at higher levels than that encountered by the general population, and, thus, there is less likelihood of health effects in the general population as a whole."

A study recently published in the British journal The Lancet (Vol. 354) found no association between electromagnetic fields (EMF) and childhood cancer.
Lead author Nick Day, PhD, professor of epidemiology at Cambridge University, and colleagues studied 2,226 children in the United Kingdom from infancy to age 14 with a confirmed cancer. Those children were compared with a control group of cancer-free children matched for date of birth and sex.
The researchers took measurements of EMF exposures at the children's homes - including the proximity and type of overhead power lines nearby and electrical appliances in the homes. They also measured exposures at schools or other institutions attended by the children.
"We find no evidence that magnetic fields associated with the electricity supply increase risk of childhood leukemia, malignant brain tumors, or any other childhood cancer," the study authors wrote.
They added, "The degrees of exposure were low compared with other studies reported from North America, probably because of differences in the operating characteristics of the electricity supply and wiring practices. Our results are consistent with those of larger studies on childhood leukemia that used measured fields and population based studies... ."

The researchers said an overview of all available data from studies of childhood leukemia with measured exposures to EMF is underway.
Michael Thun, MD, vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research for the American Cancer Society (ACS), said the new study is a strong one. "This is really a very nice, large, population-based study. It found no evidence of an association of EMF and acute lymphoclastic leukemia, all leukemias, central nervous system tumors, and all other malignant disease."
Studying the relationship of EMF to cancer is extraordinarily difficult, partly because it is difficult to measure exposures, Dr. Thun said. "This study went to great lengths to capture the major sources of exposure," he added.
The study's findings parallel those of a 1997 study that found no relationship to EMF and the most common types of childhood leukemia, according to Dr. Thun.
However, an editorial accompanying the study points out that there were not enough children with high category exposures to assess their risk reliably. A major childhood leukemia study currently underway in Japan is expected to address this issue.
Cancers in children account for only one in 360, or 0.3 percent, of all cancers. Every year, about 130 new childhood cancers are diagnosed for every 1 million children. However, cancer is the second leading cause of death in children under 14 years of age


Its all fun and games until someone comes in and posts bold and centered.
 
2008-11-09 04:25:53 PM
This is example 1,465,834 of why we can't have nice things.
 
2008-11-09 04:26:09 PM
It all depends on the frequency. The electromagnetic spectrum can cause DNA damage at the short end (gamma, UV) but not at the long end (light, heat).

So far as I can tell, cell phones use microwaves (which heat water) but broadcast at several powers of ten less than a microwave oven.

A more believable danger is CRT monitors. They increase your yearly radiation absorption but are not nearly as significant as the radiation that comes out of the ground.

your yearly radiation consumption (new window)
 
2008-11-09 04:27:25 PM
This reminds me of Ted Kennedy fighting against a Wind Power farm near his home on Cape Cod.

"But don't you realize -- that's where I sail!" may stand as Kennedy's most self-incriminating quote.

Sure wind power sounds great - unless it is in your backyard ;)

Link (new window)
 
2008-11-09 04:28:47 PM
1. Wear your seatbelt.
2. Don't smoke
 
2008-11-09 04:30:26 PM
Does using a blue tooth headset help reduce the potentially harmful radiation of a cell phone?
 
2008-11-09 04:30:32 PM
InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?


Not if you sold your lot, rented the space, or otherwise allowed them to do so. However, you don't have much of a right to complain if the highway is built near you and you plan to use it due to its convenience. It's a terrible analogy mostly because one is apparent but also because it isn't as though we can realistically choose which towers to benefit from.
 
2008-11-09 04:30:41 PM
Nakito: A cell tower that looks like a cell tower is a lot less ugly than a cell tower that tries to look like a tree.

Just as formica that looks like formica is a lot less ugly than formica that tries to look like wood.

Revel in the technical infrastructure of your time.


The palm tree ones aren't bad, probably because palm trees already look like a stupid pole with some crap on top.
 
2008-11-09 04:30:48 PM
drestin: This reminds me of Ted Kennedy fighting against a Wind Power farm near his home on Cape Cod.

"But don't you realize -- that's where I sail!" may stand as Kennedy's most self-incriminating quote.

Sure wind power sounds great - unless it is in your backyard ;)

Link (new window)


tbn0.google.com
NIMBY
 
2008-11-09 04:33:05 PM
UsikFark: It all depends on the frequency. The electromagnetic spectrum can cause DNA damage at the short end (gamma, UV) but not at the long end (light, heat).

So far as I can tell, cell phones use microwaves (which heat water) but broadcast at several powers of ten less than a microwave oven.


Microwave ovens work at approximately 2.45 gigahertz at around 700 watts output

Cell phones work between 800 and 900 megahertz with 2 watts peak output


A more believable danger is CRT monitors. They increase your yearly radiation absorption but are not nearly as significant as the radiation that comes out of the ground.


Fortunately they are being phased out for LCD monitors.
 
2008-11-09 04:33:10 PM
RedLeg1525: I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.

AM and TV, FM transmitter power is trivial in comparison. Granted the frequencies are more a question than AM and governments react to public tinfoilality by mandating scary signs around high power sites. To date they have no science warranting it as well as no issue tossing broadcasters to the dogs if it means being seen 'doing something about it.'

/true fact; at some locations in an AM transmitter site a florescent tube will light without power.
 
2008-11-09 04:36:26 PM
www.nimbyopera.org.nz

/hotlinked
//dunno why
 
2008-11-09 04:36:28 PM
Dumb bastards. Just learn to embrace your brain cancer and forget about it whilst you yack away incessantly on your $400 iPhone.

/just don't call me, because I don't farking care
 
2008-11-09 04:38:18 PM
Here is the scariest part of the article

Under the Telecommunications Act of 1996, cities and counties are not allowed to consider possible health effects in deciding whether to allow towers.

That's nice. Your corporate servants worked hard to get that one passed.
 
2008-11-09 04:39:12 PM
Right. Because so many cell phones use microwave-range frequencies. Idiots. People really need to understand what non-ionizing radiation is.
 
2008-11-09 04:40:28 PM
robbiedo: Does using a blue tooth headset help reduce the potentially harmful radiation of a cell phone?

Possibly, but it also greatly increases the possibility of people thinking you're a pretentious wanker.
Also, if you do it whilst driving it dramatically increases the chance the Fire Service will have to spend several hours sponging your mushy remains out of their boots having previously scraped you off the motorway.

/ really hate prats who drive and phone.
// Just hope you don't take anyone else with you if you do.
 
2008-11-09 04:41:17 PM
my foil hat is disguised as toupee
 
2008-11-09 04:42:27 PM
Man On Pink Corner: lajimi: If some company wants to build a cell tower on my property I may have a problem with that will cheerfully take their rent money. EIP!

You got THAT right!
 
2008-11-09 04:42:28 PM
SuburbanCowboy: That's nice. Your corporate servants worked hard to get that one passed.

So? They're right. Since health effects from far-field cellphone radiation would require entirely new physics to occur, the burden of proof should fall on the tinfoil-hat crowd.

They shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the cellular providers' ordinary course of business, any more than I should be able to get an injunction against the secret microwave thought-control transmitter you're aiming at my house from your basement.
 
2008-11-09 04:43:56 PM
GaidinBDJ: Right. Because so many cell phones use microwave-range frequencies. Idiots. People really need to understand what non-ionizing radiation is.

Bit of a rotsky there. Microwaves aren't ionizing, either. Until someone conclusively, and repeatably, demonstrates otherwise, biological harm from microwaves is limited to thermal effects.
 
2008-11-09 04:44:01 PM
NIMBY! I bet they are all worried about their health while puffing away on their cigarettes.
 
2008-11-09 04:44:31 PM
My light bulbs are leaking RADIATION!!!!!!
 
2008-11-09 04:44:37 PM
drestin: This reminds me of Ted Kennedy fighting against a Wind Power farm near his home on Cape Cod.

"But don't you realize -- that's where I sail!" may stand as Kennedy's most self-incriminating quote.

Sure wind power sounds great - unless it is in your backyard ;)

Link (new window)


Those things make freaky noises!!!

/like fingernails on a chalkboard
//EEEK!!!
 
2008-11-09 04:44:52 PM
www.privateline.com
 
2008-11-09 04:47:44 PM
The trees, they will kill us, with their radiation...
 
2008-11-09 04:49:37 PM
Wizard Drongo: robbiedo: Does using a blue tooth headset help reduce the potentially harmful radiation of a cell phone?

Possibly, but it also greatly increases the possibility of people thinking you're a pretentious wanker.
Also, if you do it whilst driving it dramatically increases the chance the Fire Service will have to spend several hours sponging your mushy remains out of their boots having previously scraped you off the motorway.

/ really hate prats who drive and phone.
// Just hope you don't take anyone else with you if you do.


I still don't see how it increases your risk more than talking to someone in the car with you. But maybe I just don't drive like an ass.

Best use of bluetooth:
www.theonion.com
syengergizing while on a lunch date!
 
2008-11-09 04:52:12 PM
pedobearapproved I still don't see how it increases your risk more than talking to someone in the car with you.

...on the surface it does not, but I think most people talking to others in the car, for whatever reason, are simply more aware that they're talking in the car and are still driving. Just anecdotal evidence dealing with inattentive drivers with headsets, so...
 
2008-11-09 04:57:23 PM
Vangor: pedobearapproved I still don't see how it increases your risk more than talking to someone in the car with you.

...on the surface it does not, but I think most people talking to others in the car, for whatever reason, are simply more aware that they're talking in the car and are still driving. Just anecdotal evidence dealing with inattentive drivers with headsets, so...


The bluetooth thing may be a correlation because I personally wouldn't answer a phone whilst driving. I'd either pull over and take the call, or turn my phone off and take it later.
So, maybe the danger of driving whilst phoning isn't that much, it's just the sort of prick who does (especially with one of those stupid pretentious headsets) is also a bit of a prick in general and drives badly, gets inpatient and ends up being tarmac spread.

/ Just a thought...
 
2008-11-09 04:57:24 PM
Vangor: pedobearapproved I still don't see how it increases your risk more than talking to someone in the car with you.

...on the surface it does not, but I think most people talking to others in the car, for whatever reason, are simply more aware that they're talking in the car and are still driving. Just anecdotal evidence dealing with inattentive drivers with headsets, so...


People driving and talking on phone are mentally visualizing the person they are talking to - studies show that even hands-free is not safe.
 
2008-11-09 04:58:21 PM
Residents worry surge of cell phone towers disguised as trees may be exposing them to harmful microwave radiation, refuse to stand for it

Don't feel bad Submitter... I see what you did there, even though apparently nobody else did.
 
2008-11-09 04:59:27 PM
My reception on my cell is so bad at home I have to communicate through text messages standing next to a certain window. I have 28 acres but I dont want to erect a tower on my property just to get reception. The money to lease a tower would be nice but Im waiting for a neighbor to do it. They are all 80 year old farmers who believe cell phones are the devils work so my only hope is that they will kick the bucket and their kids/grandkids will do it... lol
 
2008-11-09 05:01:26 PM
drestin: RedLeg1525: I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.

How about people who were paranoid about microwave ovens when they first came out --- but then someone figured out you could make popcorn in one and, well, that fight was over.


You can make popcorn with cell phones. I guess the fight is over! (new window)
 
2008-11-09 05:02:10 PM
Englebert Slaptyback: A cell phone tower diquised as a tree in Conifer, Colorado, along US 285 at Blackfoot Rd. (The Denver Post | Brian Brainerd)


Nice caption, Brian.


I can pretty much guarantee you that Brian Brainerd did not write that caption...

/former journalist

On another, related topic, our community radio station has been fighting with some dumb old lady who objects to us moving to mixed polarisation for about four years now, while slowly but surely going broke because nobody can hear our farking signal. People like this should be moved to their own little island in the middle of nowhere, with no radio/microwave/rf signals anywhere in their vicinity to harm them. Then left there to rot.

That is all.
 
2008-11-09 05:03:17 PM
bunner: this just in,

government agencies often serve the interests of big business over those of the people whose wishes they have sworn to represent.


This also just in, nutjobs, charlatans, and laymen often scapegoat Big Business and the government for imagined problems without properly establishing that the problems actually exist and if so that they are indeed variables controlled by corporations and/or the government.
 
2008-11-09 05:04:00 PM
Also, a passenger talking to you in the car can see if you suddenly need all your concentration and shut up. A person on the other end of a phone line can't.
 
2008-11-09 05:05:53 PM
During lightning storms I frequently think about Ben Franklin.
 
2008-11-09 05:07:54 PM
Back in my reporter days, I did a story about a group of parents in this ritzy school district who didn't want a cell phone tower placed near their kids' school. There was a public meeting with district administrators and AT&T scientists, along with government documents that showed the amount of radiation they'd be exposed to was (as others have said) less than that they'd receive from close proximity to a microwave or to holding an actual cell phone to their ear.

But when one parent asked the AT&T scientists to guarantee her that her daughter wouldn't get cancer, the guy said, "I can't do that. You can't prove a negative." And the whole room erupted with "that's right!" and "I knew it!"

It was really difficult to maintain my reporter face and not burst out laughing at that.
 
2008-11-09 05:09:49 PM
Vortex_Woman: Also, a passenger talking to you in the car can see if you suddenly need all your concentration and shut up. A person on the other end of a phone line can't.

But usually won't in fact might start screaming and yelling when I can just toss the phone and et on with defensive driving. I rarely talk on the phone while driving and will pull over or call back but it's harder to toss my wife on the floor or call her back later when she hollers "LOOKOUTTHEREISACARSTOPPEDINFRONTOFYOUAHHHHRGGGGG" somehow she thinks this will help me react and stay calm.
 
2008-11-09 05:09:59 PM
The amount of radiation coming from a cell tower is miniscule compared to what's coming from the sun and earth itself. If the radiation levels from a tower could give you cancer, none of us would be here.
 
2008-11-09 05:10:28 PM
RedLeg1525: I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.

Are you kidding?? My community FM station has this problem TODAY. Stupid old ladies and their paranoid delusions....
 
2008-11-09 05:11:17 PM
bestuff.com

Approves!
 
2008-11-09 05:11:58 PM
rotatingpies: Back in my reporter days, I did a story about a group of parents in this ritzy school district who didn't want a cell phone tower placed near their kids' school. There was a public meeting with district administrators and AT&T scientists, along with government documents that showed the amount of radiation they'd be exposed to was (as others have said) less than that they'd receive from close proximity to a microwave or to holding an actual cell phone to their ear.

But when one parent asked the AT&T scientists to guarantee her that her daughter wouldn't get cancer, the guy said, "I can't do that. You can't prove a negative." And the whole room erupted with "that's right!" and "I knew it!"

It was really difficult to maintain my reporter face and not burst out laughing at that.


I honestly think that the ability to handle critical thinking and accept scientific uncertainty is a purely genetic trait that only manifests itself once every 5 generations. That is the only conclusion I have been able to make by observing so many smart people who believe in astrology or creationism, and why my entire family is devoid of it.
 
2008-11-09 05:19:43 PM
SemperLieSuckah: This also just in, nutjobs, charlatans, and laymen often scapegoat Big Business and the government for imagined problems without properly establishing that the problems actually exist and if so that they are indeed variables controlled by corporations and/or the government.

On occasion. True, dat. But for every dipwad with an axe to grind, there's about four bureaucrats with greasy palms and plane tickets to Cancun.

Sadly.
 
2008-11-09 05:25:35 PM
I wish there were a cell tower near my house. My coverage is lousy. If I had better cell coverage, I'd dump my landline in a second.
 
2008-11-09 05:32:15 PM
neenerist: AM and TV, FM transmitter power is trivial in comparison. Granted the frequencies are more a question than AM and governments react to public tinfoilality by mandating scary signs around high power sites. To date they have no science warranting it as well as no issue tossing broadcasters to the dogs if it means being seen 'doing something about it.'

Class C FM is 100kW. Class A AM is 50kW. Not a trivial difference.

GaidinBDJ: Right. Because so many cell phones use microwave-range frequencies. Idiots. People really need to understand what non-ionizing radiation is.

Depends on how you define "microwave". If you go with the "above 0.3 Ghz" then all cell phones operate in the microwave band. If you go with above 1 Ghz, then quite a substantial number of cellular devices operate in the microwave range.
 
2008-11-09 05:40:54 PM
what about a malfunctioning cell phone tower ?

I somehow doubt anyone is discussing or making contingencies based on off-design operation.

a malfunctioning magnetron/waveguide really can be quite dangerous. I wonder if a malfunctioning cell tower is actually dangerous. How would you even know if the cell tower you're taking a nap next too is actually malfunctioning ?
 
2008-11-09 05:42:18 PM
miller007

[pic of cellphone tower. On fire.]

Seriously, how did they manage that one?
 
2008-11-09 05:46:14 PM
dbaggins: what about a malfunctioning cell phone tower ?

I somehow doubt anyone is discussing or making contingencies based on off-design operation.

a malfunctioning magnetron/waveguide really can be quite dangerous. I wonder if a malfunctioning cell tower is actually dangerous. How would you even know if the cell tower you're taking a nap next too is actually malfunctioning ?


What kind of malfunction in the transmitting equipment used in cellular installations would suddenly generate in excess of 700W RF at around 2.4 Ghz?

Yeah, I thought so.
 
2008-11-09 05:48:09 PM
I hate these ignorant farkers that biatch and moan about cell phone towers. There's no evidence that cell phone towers pose any health hazard. These farkers are the same ones who will be first to biatch and moan to their cell phone company when their coverage isn't good.

Just once I'd love to see a judge tell these people "Shut up and get the fark out. You're wasting the court's time."
 
2008-11-09 05:49:54 PM
Everything in my dorm room is bluetooth, got a cellphone, wifi, Wii AND ps3 with wireless controllers...neither I nor anyone that's been in here has exploded into cancer beforaaaaaaaaaaaarhgh
 
2008-11-09 05:50:03 PM
why so many blank posts?

am i paranoid>?
 
2008-11-09 05:50:23 PM
I went out to service an antenna last month, located in a small town. As I was leaving the shed, a man in a pickup truck roars up to me and comes to a skidding stop. He exits the truck visibly agitate and starts yelling at me that the tower is making everyone in the town sick.

"Then I have very bad news for you," I told him, "Because I just turned it on."
 
2008-11-09 05:56:57 PM
InternationalShoe:

Its all fun
and games until
someone comes
in
and posts
bold and centered.
 
2008-11-09 06:01:24 PM
Alf_Garnett: I hate these ignorant farkers that biatch and moan about cell phone towers. There's no evidence that cell phone towers pose any health hazard. These farkers are the same ones who will be first to biatch and moan to their cell phone company when their coverage isn't good.

Just once I'd love to see a judge tell these people "Shut up and get the fark out. You're wasting the court's time."


Too be fair, it sounds like this is a neighborhood which is controlled by an HOA. These people are probably blindsided by just about everything.

I like how in the very first paragraph they make it sound like these things spring up overnight while everyone is asleep and by the time they realize what is going on, IT'S TOO LATE.
 
2008-11-09 06:05:50 PM
Power lines do cause health issues. Insofar as coal is burned to feed them.
 
hng
2008-11-09 06:07:42 PM
dbaggins: what about a malfunctioning cell phone tower ?

I somehow doubt anyone is discussing or making contingencies based on off-design operation.

a malfunctioning magnetron/waveguide really can be quite dangerous. I wonder if a malfunctioning cell tower is actually dangerous. How would you even know if the cell tower you're taking a nap next too is actually malfunctioning ?


Instead of four bars, you'd get cancer.
 
2008-11-09 06:08:23 PM
TehNacho: InternationalShoe:

Its all fun
and games until
someone comes
in
and posts
bold and centered.


BULLY
 
2008-11-09 06:12:28 PM
InternationalShoe: TehNacho: InternationalShoe:

Its all fun
and games until
someone comes
in
and posts
bold and centered.

BULLY


:p just tryin' to have fun
in the short time we have
left before the cellphones,
people what look different
than us, people what have
different religiosity than
us, people what have different
sex than us, and all this
furrin currency what owns us
devours us all and our HTML
 
2008-11-09 06:13:49 PM
I once went to a house party full of hippies and frat boys - damn, that was an odd mix - and spent a good number of hours explaining what ionizing radiation was, and how microwaves were different than nuclear power plants, and no, that vapor coming off the damn towers was NOT radioactive gas but freakin' water vapor.

I've since given up. Although every single person I've met from Monroe, Michigan sincerely believes that the cooling towers are emitting radiation and THAT'S the cause for high cancer rates in the area.

Not the fact that they're downriver from Detroit or anything.

I also read a paper in a radiation biology class from a freaking med student about the rise in cancer rates near phone lines.

Ionizing radiation class.

Her only cite, besides our book which she obviously didn't read, was an AOL home page.

/must. let. it. go.
//otherwise I'm gonna end up bashing my own head in
 
2008-11-09 06:13:51 PM
Step 1: Protest any new cell towers being erected
Step 2: Dropped emergency 911 cell call... loved ones die
Step 3: Sue phone companies for insufficient cell coverage, profit.
 
2008-11-09 06:15:07 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie: miller007

[pic of cellphone tower. On fire.]

Seriously, how did they manage that one?


cue a picture of homer setting everything on fire while cooking for Mr. Burns.
 
2008-11-09 06:15:25 PM
GoldDude: Step 1: Protest any new cell towers being erected
Step 2: Dropped emergency 911 cell call... loved ones die
Step 3: Sue phone companies for insufficient cell coverage, profit.


NIMBYB

/Not In My Backyard
//Biatch!
///Again, I run the risk of a facepalm so strong I give myself a damn concussion
////I hate people
//But I love gatherings?
 
2008-11-09 06:17:09 PM
raygundan: Nakito: A cell tower that looks like a cell tower is a lot less ugly than a cell tower that tries to look like a tree.

Just as formica that looks like formica is a lot less ugly than formica that tries to look like wood.

Revel in the technical infrastructure of your time.

The palm tree ones aren't bad, probably because palm trees already look like a stupid pole with some crap on top.


Blame the land owners - they can require fake tree towers to be put up in the middle of existing groups of trees, or require real trees ot be planted around the fake tree tower so they blend in better and are less noticeable.

I saw one in Arizona that was a fake Saguaro cactus - couldn't even tell till someone pointed it out (course I'm not from Arizona so can't claim to be a Saguaro expert).

And anyone who thinks big cellular companies can roll into town and put up towers wherever they like, regardless of the wishes of landowners, needs to remove the tin foil hat...if that were true, coverage would be a lot better than it currently is.
 
2008-11-09 06:18:12 PM
I think there are more cell transmitters around them than people realize. Around here, they put cell sites on every high structure. The local market and fire station are festooned with antennas. They look like rectangular boxes so most people don't recognize them for what they are.
 
2008-11-09 06:22:34 PM
some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

The rest of us can see them - it's just you who cannot.
 
2008-11-09 06:26:31 PM
dbaggins: a malfunctioning magnetron/waveguide really can be quite dangerous. I wonder if a malfunctioning cell tower is actually dangerous. How would you even know if the cell tower you're taking a nap next too is actually malfunctioning ?

They're very well-instrumented, as you can perhaps imagine.
 
2008-11-09 06:27:40 PM

RealFarknMcCoy2


Englebert Slaptyback: A cell phone tower diquised as a tree in Conifer, Colorado, along US 285 at Blackfoot Rd. (The Denver Post | Brian Brainerd)


Nice caption, Brian.


I can pretty much guarantee you that Brian Brainerd did not write that caption...

/former journalist


Despite the fact that the caption is shown in TFA exactly as you saw it in my post? Is this a disinformation campaign to make Brian Brainerd look like an idiot?

Seriously - how did you arrive at your conclusion?
 
2008-11-09 06:30:09 PM
portscanner:

You can make popcorn with cell phones. I guess the fight is over! (new window)


Debunked. Repeatedly. It was a marketing ploy by a bluetooth manufacturer. Don't you feel dirty perpetuating a known falsehood? It's irresponsible, and it makes you look like a massive asshat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOZZ6dJiIgo&eurl=http://www.snopes.com/science/co okegg.asp
 
2008-11-09 06:30:38 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

The rest of us can see them - it's just you who cannot.


Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine!
 
2008-11-09 06:38:39 PM
Man On Pink Corner: dbaggins: a malfunctioning magnetron/waveguide really can be quite dangerous. I wonder if a malfunctioning cell tower is actually dangerous. How would you even know if the cell tower you're taking a nap next too is actually malfunctioning ?

They're very well-instrumented, as you can perhaps imagine.




Yuri says you should rightly fear magnetrons.
 
2008-11-09 06:43:26 PM
TehNacho: InternationalShoe:


Its all fun
and games until
someone comes
in
and posts
bold and centered.


Indeed
 
2008-11-09 06:46:42 PM
I know some hippies that were all about the 'evil radio waves' until some carrier offered them $1500/month to put a tower on top of a hill on their property.

/perspective
 
2008-11-09 06:53:36 PM

pedobearapproved
:
TehNacho: InternationalShoe:


Its all fun
and games until
someone comes
in
and posts
bold and centered.

Indeed
 
2008-11-09 07:01:54 PM
some attorney: I would be more worried if trees started disguising themselves as cell phone towers. That would be freaky.

Head to Los Angeles or Texas. They disguise themselves as oil pumps.
 
2008-11-09 07:02:43 PM
I'm worried the cell towers could cause a plan to crash.

Don't you think they should be turned off during takeoff and landing? They're way more powerful than those little cell phones the passengers carry.
 
2008-11-09 07:03:32 PM
One comment:

The ones around my city could only fool Stevie Wonder into thinking they're a "tree". They look like giant toilet brushes.
 
2008-11-09 07:08:25 PM
thesubliminalman: I just figured out that all the trees grass in my yard are disguised cell phone towers that are messing with my brain. And you some attorney are really freaking me out!

No it's the worms and ants have finally developed cell technology. Their idea of "scale" and triangulation is a bit different, thus the need for several million of them in your front yard.
 
2008-11-09 07:09:04 PM
I would post a comment but I have been killed by the evil EVIL cell phone towers...
 
2008-11-09 07:09:38 PM
TehNacho: pedobearapproved
:
TehNacho: InternationalShoe:


Its all fun
and games until
someone comes
in
and posts
bold and centered.

Indeed

i213.photobucket.com
 
2008-11-09 07:10:56 PM
cellphones, PDAs, microwave ovens and tvs rot your brains. don't use them. get a wood burning stove, instead. carrier pigeons can carry messages, but are good eating should it be necessary.
 
2008-11-09 07:17:18 PM
Stupid media hype. There is no evidence for cell phone, electrical, etc. towers causing any ill health. The supposed leukemia "clusters" were just random distribution, and there has been no noticeable increase in cancer among electrical workers. Practically speaking, radiation output is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source, so you're basically experiencing the same electric / magnetic fields as everyone else unless you're living on top of the tower. You should be more worried about ear infections and hearing loss from using your cell phone / ear bud all the time.
 
2008-11-09 07:21:35 PM
A) this is non-ionizing radiation, i.e. low energy, lower even than that from you wi-fi. B) It actually has less energy (longer wavelengths/lower frequency) than visible light. I saw some jack arse on youtube complaining that microwave ovens produce negative effects in food, breaking down compounds and making negative ones, but Microwave ovens are 2.4GHz like your Bluetooth headset and wifi. So you can get microwaved from one of these towers but that's only "heating". That frequency is the right wavelength to adjitate some molecules(water, fat) Technically that would cause damage but not cancer. Anicdotally my boss at my old internship worked with radar in the army, he told us a story about sitting in front of a huge emitter to keep warm up north, but he's still alive and that was probably a single exposure in excess of being around a cell tower for years.
 
2008-11-09 07:24:34 PM
So you can get microwaved from one of these towers but that's only "heating". That frequency is the right wavelength to adjitate some molecules(water, fat) Technically that would cause damage but not cancer. Anicdotally my boss at my old internship worked with radar in the army, he told us a story about sitting in front of a huge emitter to keep warm up north, but he's still alive and that was probably a single exposure in excess of being around a cell tower for years.

ummmmmmmm
 
2008-11-09 07:25:03 PM
Actually, I believe that it would be a terribly bad idea to wear a tin foil hat too close to a microwave cell phone tower.

But goddamn, it would be amusing to the REST of us watching.

Okay, let me weigh in on this. My company does environmental review for cell phone tower construction. Getting a kick...well no not really, nobody's said anything stupid in this thread.

It's a new thing-for a few years, the companies COULD just roll into town and start throwing towers wherever they could sweet-talk a landowner into giving them a lease on some space.

Not anymore. Not by a long shot. NOW, you have about a million steps of consultation and mother-may-I to go through (which is where my company comes in. I don't design the antennas, nor calculate the radiation, but I do sometimes help with the following.). Nowadays, baby, you gotta do it ALL--announce your plans in the newspaper. File with a Federal clearinghouse of all such data (it's called the TCNS, Tower Construction Notification System, and it's run by the Federal Communications Commission. If you're a group with a bone to pick regarding people throwing up towers, especially if you're a Native American Tribe leader, register for it and you'll get bulletins about where people want to put up towers), you may even have to ask permission from the Army Corps of Engineers, local historic and archaeological societies (and baby, we got some doozies around here.), and prepare an impact statement regarding local wildlife.

You don't even necessarily get a pass if you're just "co-locating", or planting a new stack of antennas on an existing tower or building. Although, it DOES make it somewhat easier.

You also have to hold public meetings, as announced in the newspaper.

Oh lordy, that's where the "cell phone antennas are cooking my brain like an egg and gave me cancer!" crowd shows up.
 
2008-11-09 07:31:43 PM
fanbladesaresharp: thesubliminalman: I just figured out that all the trees grass in my yard are disguised cell phone towers that are messing with my brain. And you some attorney are really freaking me out!

No it's the worms and ants have finally developed cell technology. Their idea of "scale" and triangulation is a bit different, thus the need for several million of them in your front yard.


Every fall I have a migration of the nightcrawlers in my backyard. I only noticed when thay disturbed the fallen leaves when I was sitting in a hammock a few years ago. Went inside to get a flashlight. The only reason I bring this up is most of us urban inside dwellers don't have any idea what goes on outside. So if we don't know what naturally happens how we gonna know if we screw it up? By the way the worms allways go east.
 
2008-11-09 07:45:46 PM
Oh god. This is worse than " wi-fi allergens." I guess these people are also allergic to their car radios, 18 wheeler radios and stars, land line cell phones, Police Scanners, Walkie talkies Televisions and fish radars.
 
2008-11-09 07:52:10 PM
bunner: this just in,

government agencies often serve the interests of big business over those of the people whose wishes they have sworn to represent.


This just in: Government agencies are staffed and headed by appointees and rank-and-file government employees. No constituents, no oaths of office.
 
2008-11-09 07:53:26 PM
bunner Quote 2008-11-09 04:19:02 PM
this just in,

government agencies often serve the interests of big business over those of the people idiotic A$$hats whose wishes they have sworn to represent.




-- FTFY
 
2008-11-09 07:53:50 PM
"Does using a blue tooth headset help reduce the potentially harmful radiation of a cell phone?"

Yes, but who wants blue teeth? Maybe some raver hopped up on on love drugs who wants a scary smile under the black light.
 
2008-11-09 08:12:41 PM
Seeing as this is in Colorado, they are located at a high up altitude...where their exposure to cosmic radiation is GREATER than pretty much any place else in the united states. If they were really worried, they would move.

You are exposed to cosmic radiation everyday that is WAY more dangerous than facepalming (the one you do wrong) your head to a cellphone tower for a year.
 
2008-11-09 08:19:53 PM
If only there was some way to tell where electromagnetic radiation fell on some diagram, then we could use that to see if these microwaves of which they speak contain more energy than visible light. That would tell us what could and could not cause cause cancer. What would we call such a thing and what use could it have.
 
2008-11-09 08:27:03 PM
crazypeltast52 If only there was some way to tell where electromagnetic radiation fell on some diagram, then we could use that to see if these microwaves of which they speak contain more energy than visible light. That would tell us what could and could not cause cause cancer. What would we call such a thing and what use could it have.

GASP! You said RADIATION!
 
2008-11-09 08:37:22 PM
I worked under a pHD-student that tested to see if there were side-effects to cell-phone waves. I don't know if she's released the article yet, but she didn't stop using her cell-phone.

So there.
 
2008-11-09 08:41:32 PM
FTFA:

In another instance, the Bear Creek Village Homeowners Association is challenging an oversized tower on a county right-of-way in the middle of the subdivision.

"It looks like a missile silo," said Bear Creek Village HOA board member Rick Reinig. "The neighbors don't have any say in this."


I'm surprised we haven't had any HOA hate in here yet...

Who the fark are these people to challenge what the county does on their property...cuz 'they didn't have any say in it'.
 
2008-11-09 08:54:27 PM
In 1979 KSFO radio needed to install an extra tower to increase their power. It needed to be 1/8 wavelength or about 219 feet from the existing tower. In those days surveying was done by steel tape. When we got the tape out to 219 feet, zap, 1000 watts of 560khz rf through the tape, my hands, and the into ground. Got light burns on my hands. They shut down for 15 minutes so that we could finish. Still can't get the last song they were playing out of my head. Sinatra, My way.
 
2008-11-09 09:06:27 PM
Found the abstract: Link (new window)
 
2008-11-09 09:07:30 PM
And now I'm linking (dammit!): Link (new window)
 
2008-11-09 09:14:34 PM
i306.photobucket.com">


Can you hear me now?
 
2008-11-09 09:17:07 PM
DeRosso: link


The link. It does nothing.
 
2008-11-09 09:22:15 PM
Came for the MacBeth references, leaving disappointed

/"Fear not, till Birnam wood Do come to Dunsinane"
 
2008-11-09 09:22:41 PM
lajimi: Man On Pink Corner: lajimi: If some company wants to build a cell tower on my property I may have a problem with that will cheerfully take their rent money. EIP!

You got THAT right!


Your email is in lajimi's profile? :D

fanbladesaresharp: some attorney: I would be more worried if trees started disguising themselves as cell phone towers. That would be freaky.

Head to Los Angeles or Texas. They disguise themselves as oil pumps.


Or Oklahoma, where they disguise themselves as Traffic barrels.
 
2008-11-09 09:35:26 PM
Kenny B:



How high are ya there? Our towers are only about 300ft or so :(
But I got a few pics like that myself. I know you got one free standing the top rail, right? It's a farking rush.
 
2008-11-09 09:56:20 PM
Darling. Sweetie.
Sweetie, Darling.

If you could see in the part of the EM spectrum called 'radio' you would realize that no matter where you are, your bag-of-dirty-water body is regularly pierced by radio both focused and diverse. Then again, if you could see more of the EM band you would realize that you and all your mammal cousins have bodies that always give off a happy glow towards the lower side of the infra-red part of the spectrum of light.

So we're all EM polluters!
YAY!
 
2008-11-09 09:57:24 PM
Either throw away your cell phone and use only a landline, or sit down and be quiet.
 
2008-11-09 09:58:29 PM
maceinator: As cellphone use and WiFi use have increased, the per capita rate of brain cancer has decreased. The raw rate has increased, but that follows the increase in population.

If you want to make any unfounded correlation, it should be that cell phones, cell towers and WiFi cure brain cancer.


The price of gas has gone up while the rate of brain cancer has decreased.

High gas prices cure cancer! BUY MORE SUVs!
 
2008-11-09 10:24:41 PM
FTFA - Under the Telecommunications Act of 1996, cities and counties are not allowed to consider possible health effects in deciding whether to allow towers.

WTF? Doesn't the Bill of Rights have anything to say about that?
 
2008-11-09 10:37:28 PM
To this day, my favorite "cell phones are giving me brain cancer!" story is here in my own neighborhood in North Portland.

About six months ago, AT&T put up a cell site on the edge of a residential neighborhood on top of a high-tension power pole. A few "electrosensitive" people noticed it, and within days were complaining to the city planning department, the neighborhood association, the power company, anyone who would complain. The neighborhood paper picked up the story.

The funny part: only the antennas were installed. The actual cellular transmitters weren't even in place yet, let alone energized and generating any signal.

What's even funnier? One of the electrosensitives claimed that the mere installation of the antennas created radiation they were sensitive to.

The burning, it hurt.
 
2008-11-09 10:56:04 PM
i275.photobucket.com
 
2008-11-09 11:01:17 PM
feedle: To this day, my favorite "cell phones are giving me brain cancer!" story is here in my own neighborhood in North Portland.

About six months ago, AT&T put up a cell site on the edge of a residential neighborhood on top of a high-tension power pole. A few "electrosensitive" people noticed it, and within days were complaining to the city planning department, the neighborhood association, the power company, anyone who would complain. The neighborhood paper picked up the story.

The funny part: only the antennas were installed. The actual cellular transmitters weren't even in place yet, let alone energized and generating any signal.

What's even funnier? One of the electrosensitives claimed that the mere installation of the antennas created radiation they were sensitive to.

The burning, it hurt.


I often see the same effect when some "allergic" people start choking when I walk past them with an unlit cigar in my mouth. Not lit, never been lit, not going to be lit. Get over yourself, the drama is getting old.
 
2008-11-09 11:11:55 PM
ninjakirby: St_Francis_P: Someone should probably look into this, but I very much doubt they are getting significant radiation from those towers

I don't know specifically about Cell phone towers, but people have been afraid of power lines*, Wi-Fi internet and other 'dangerous radiation' before, and it's all turned out to be crap, I don't see this being any different, but it's certainly worthy of investigation.

*though I recall the super-high power high tension lines did have a correlation to cancer


I lived across the road from a cell tower. I began to experience bald spots in my beard. My child developed a bald spot on his head. We moved away, and my in-laws moved in to the same place. My beard filled in, my child still has a bald spot and my father in law developed bald spots in his beard as well. He moved away, and his beard filled in. There is a high instance of leukemia in an area of town that is within 2 miles of a major power plants lines. There is no doubt in my mind cell towers/phones, wifi and power lines ARE in fact dangerous.
 
2008-11-09 11:19:10 PM
Hey, the NWO paid good Ameros to bombard them with microwaves. They had best appreciate their consideration.

/RTFA
//I want a cancer tree too
 
2008-11-09 11:46:27 PM
ThePolishOne....Kenny B:
How high are ya there? Our towers are only about 300ft or so :(
But I got a few pics like that myself. I know you got one free standing the top rail, right? It's a farking rush.


To be honest I'm not sure how tall that one was (radio tower). It had the radio antennae at the very top.
This one is from a TV tower in Fla. 1,500 ft that had lightning damage. Took forever to rig it but once it was rigged we just rode up & down. It was great!

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2008-11-09 11:52:36 PM
Chucklz: Class C FM is 100kW. Class A AM is 50kW. Not a trivial difference.

Anyone can stand 20 feet from an AM tower base directly in the path of radiation. Getting that close to an FM antenna requires a climbing belt and bolt cutters. Only broken FM arrays broadcast with appreciable vertical power, the FM field at the base of a tower is leakage orders of magnitude lower than the primary signal. Not a trivial difference.
 
2008-11-10 12:14:15 AM
So what is causing the increase in childhood leukemia? Microwaves can cause cataracts. Can the cell signal do anything like that?
 
2008-11-10 12:37:26 AM
smells_like_meat: In 1979 KSFO radio needed to install an extra tower to increase their power. It needed to be 1/8 wavelength or about 219 feet from the existing tower. In those days surveying was done by steel tape. When we got the tape out to 219 feet, zap, 1000 watts of 560khz rf through the tape, my hands, and the into ground. Got light burns on my hands. They shut down for 15 minutes so that we could finish. Still can't get the last song they were playing out of my head. Sinatra, My way.

ThePolishOne: Kenny B:



How high are ya there? Our towers are only about 300ft or so :(
But I got a few pics like that myself. I know you got one free standing the top rail, right? It's a farking rush.


Only 70 feet here. But it's mine.

Biker_Dude69: There is no doubt in my mind cell towers/phones, wifi and power lines ARE in fact dangerous.

There is no doubt in my mind that you don't know shiat about biology or physics. You should look up what an inverse square law is. Or how much RF the sun puts out. Do some math!
 
2008-11-10 01:43:14 AM
ld100: So what is causing the increase in childhood leukemia?

There isn't one.
 
2008-11-10 02:33:19 AM
Englebert Slaptyback: RealFarknMcCoy2

Englebert Slaptyback: A cell phone tower diquised as a tree in Conifer, Colorado, along US 285 at Blackfoot Rd. (The Denver Post | Brian Brainerd)


Nice caption, Brian.


I can pretty much guarantee you that Brian Brainerd did not write that caption...

/former journalist


Despite the fact that the caption is shown in TFA exactly as you saw it in my post? Is this a disinformation campaign to make Brian Brainerd look like an idiot?

Seriously - how did you arrive at your conclusion?


The photo is by Brian Brainerd. The caption, on the other hand, would have been written by 1. the author of the article, or 2. the page editor or 3. the section editor or 4. the layout sub-editor or 5. the web publisher or..... could have been a lot of different people. But photographers usually don't write their own captions.

/as I said, former journalist
//also, a former editor
///have not done newspaper work in a very long time, but I doubt photographers are now writing captions
 
2008-11-10 02:49:24 AM
as someone who works with radiation daily, let me be the first to say.

Quitcherbiatchin, Nancy.
 
2008-11-10 02:58:43 AM
give me doughnuts: This just in: Government agencies are staffed and headed by appointees and rank-and-file government employees. No constituents, no oaths of office.

tf2.fylez.com

Shazam.


Ok, let's drop the semantics:

Bureaucrats are mostly useless and move at the pace of snails unless there's a carrot on their stick.
 
2008-11-10 03:42:49 AM
It's cute. Complaining about cell towers but being utterly dependent on cell phones.
 
2008-11-10 08:06:28 AM
Kenny B: ThePolishOne....Kenny B:
How high are ya there? Our towers are only about 300ft or so :(
But I got a few pics like that myself. I know you got one free standing the top rail, right? It's a farking rush.

To be honest I'm not sure how tall that one was (radio tower). It had the radio antennae at the very top.
This one is from a TV tower in Fla. 1,500 ft that had lightning damage. Took forever to rig it but once it was rigged we just rode up & down. It was great!

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Very cool pic. I worked as a contractor in CA putting up the majority of ATT and Verizon cell sites up and down the I-5 corridor, so you are giving me flashbacks.

Of course, big difference between a 200ft mast and that beast you are on.

Believe it or not, the scariest one I have ever climbed was about 30ft up a telephone pole with nothing to really tag onto, I had to hold on with one arm and thread my lanyard behind the coax runs to tie on at the top. All just to remove an old parabolic.

Hmmm, but there was that one time at the top of a mono crows nest that I almost took a header over the edge. Good times, good times.
 
2008-11-10 09:20:25 AM
Biker_Dude69: ninjakirby: St_Francis_P: Someone should probably look into this, but I very much doubt they are getting significant radiation from those towers

I don't know specifically about Cell phone towers, but people have been afraid of power lines*, Wi-Fi internet and other 'dangerous radiation' before, and it's all turned out to be crap, I don't see this being any different, but it's certainly worthy of investigation.

*though I recall the super-high power high tension lines did have a correlation to cancer

I lived across the road from a cell tower. I began to experience bald spots in my beard. My child developed a bald spot on his head. We moved away, and my in-laws moved in to the same place. My beard filled in, my child still has a bald spot and my father in law developed bald spots in his beard as well. He moved away, and his beard filled in. There is a high instance of leukemia in an area of town that is within 2 miles of a major power plants lines. There is no doubt in my mind cell towers/phones, wifi and power lines ARE in fact dangerous.


That's because you are retarded. See everything not written by nut jobs on the subject.
 
2008-11-10 09:22:55 AM
ld100: So what is causing the increase in childhood leukemia? Microwaves can cause cataracts. Can the cell signal do anything like that?

Sunspots. Suck it. Cell signals certainly don't.
 
2008-11-10 10:37:39 AM
Chucklz: smells_like_meat: In 1979 KSFO radio needed to install an extra tower to increase their power. It needed to be 1/8 wavelength or about 219 feet from the existing tower. In those days surveying was done by steel tape. When we got the tape out to 219 feet, zap, 1000 watts of 560khz rf through the tape, my hands, and the into ground. Got light burns on my hands. They shut down for 15 minutes so that we could finish. Still can't get the last song they were playing out of my head. Sinatra, My way.

ThePolishOne: Kenny B:



How high are ya there? Our towers are only about 300ft or so :(
But I got a few pics like that myself. I know you got one free standing the top rail, right? It's a farking rush.

Only 70 feet here. But it's mine.

Biker_Dude69: There is no doubt in my mind cell towers/phones, wifi and power lines ARE in fact dangerous.

There is no doubt in my mind that you don't know shiat about biology or physics. You should look up what an inverse square law is. Or how much RF the sun puts out. Do some math!


Get out of here with your science. I much rather prefer the "business and government cover up everything dangerous" philosophy of life.
 
2008-11-10 11:08:43 AM
AshHousewares18: Chucklz: smells_like_meat: In 1979 KSFO radio needed to install an extra tower to increase their power. It needed to be 1/8 wavelength or about 219 feet from the existing tower. In those days surveying was done by steel tape. When we got the tape out to 219 feet, zap, 1000 watts of 560khz rf through the tape, my hands, and the into ground. Got light burns on my hands. They shut down for 15 minutes so that we could finish. Still can't get the last song they were playing out of my head. Sinatra, My way.

ThePolishOne: Kenny B:



How high are ya there? Our towers are only about 300ft or so :(
But I got a few pics like that myself. I know you got one free standing the top rail, right? It's a farking rush.

Only 70 feet here. But it's mine.

Biker_Dude69: There is no doubt in my mind cell towers/phones, wifi and power lines ARE in fact dangerous.

There is no doubt in my mind that you don't know shiat about biology or physics. You should look up what an inverse square law is. Or how much RF the sun puts out. Do some math!

Get out of here with your science. I much rather prefer the "business and government cover up everything dangerous" philosophy of life.


It's liberating when everything you suspect is just a plot from evil geniuses bent on controlling you.

Or, you can realize that the people running the world are no smarter than you or I. Maybe dumber.

/Suddenly more scared of the latter rather than the former
 
2008-11-10 11:19:37 PM
skrewtinyzer: My reception on my cell is so bad at home I have to communicate through text messages standing next to a certain window. I have 28 acres but I dont want to erect a tower on my property just to get reception. The money to lease a tower would be nice but Im waiting for a neighbor to do it. They are all 80 year old farmers who believe cell phones are the devils work so my only hope is that they will kick the bucket and their kids/grandkids will do it... lol

You all know we do still have a thing called "land lines" don't you?
 
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