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(Denver Post)   Residents worry surge of cell phone towers disguised as trees may be exposing them to harmful microwave radiation, refuse to stand for it   (denverpost.com) divider line 178
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2008-11-09 01:07:42 PM
Someone should probably look into this, but I very much doubt they are getting significant radiation from those towers. The antennas have a broadcast pattern that reduces the signal directly below and near the tower. I hope they realize they are probably in a lot more danger holding their cellphones to their heads.
 
2008-11-09 01:20:10 PM
It's one of those things that I doubt cause cancer.

But then again, I wouldn't want one around my house (you know, if I wasn't homeless).
 
2008-11-09 01:39:07 PM
St_Francis_P: Someone should probably look into this, but I very much doubt they are getting significant radiation from those towers

I don't know specifically about Cell phone towers, but people have been afraid of power lines*, Wi-Fi internet and other 'dangerous radiation' before, and it's all turned out to be crap, I don't see this being any different, but it's certainly worthy of investigation.

*though I recall the super-high power high tension lines did have a correlation to cancer
 
2008-11-09 02:23:53 PM
Are they suddenly noticing rainbows when they run the sprinklers? I hear that disguised cell towers have something to do with that.
 
2008-11-09 02:24:03 PM
i510.photobucket.com
"There is unrest in the forest....."
 
2008-11-09 02:49:01 PM
When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.
 
2008-11-09 03:30:46 PM
But doesn't covering your head with tinfoil prevent this radiation form doing any harm?
 
2008-11-09 03:50:21 PM
NIMBY
 
2008-11-09 03:55:12 PM
blatherreview.mu.nu
 
2008-11-09 03:55:36 PM
I would be more worried if trees started disguising themselves as cell phone towers. That would be freaky.
 
2008-11-09 03:55:57 PM

Residents worry surge of cell phone towers disguised as trees may be exposing them to harmful microwave radiation, refuse to stand for it


Then I suppose they'll be sitting down.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:21 PM
...but give them bad cell coverage and they'll be the first ones complaining.


PS: Not one "electrosensitive" has passed a double-blind test yet, despite Randi's million bucks being up for grabs. Just saying.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:27 PM
What's with the increase of blank posts lately?
 
2008-11-09 03:56:29 PM
Oh NOES 25W of RF from a cell phone tower transmitter. Just imagine the horrors caused when I unleash 1000W of RF.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:34 PM
Pretty soon they're going to be using cell phone towers disguised...as human beings. Dun Dun Dunnnnnnnn.

From the article, the 'cell phone tower disguised as a trail pavilion' seems kinda dangerous to me. I can understand disguising it, but disguising it as something people might potentially be drawn to: "Hey, lets go rest under that pavilion!" zaaaaaaap.
 
2008-11-09 03:56:35 PM
lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?
 
2008-11-09 03:56:47 PM
Claims of these sort are unfounded. I work around RF all the time. In fact my office is at the base of a cell phone tower with 5 carriers and a public safety radio system, which is much higher power than the cell sites. Sure, I don't have any kids, and my head is twice the size of most folks, but..........
 
2008-11-09 03:57:18 PM
some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.
 
2008-11-09 03:57:46 PM
These are the same people who biatch to their cell phone companies that they don't have coverage.

Then they'd get pissed that cell towers are ugly (OK, I'll give em that - they are).

Now they're pissed that cell towers that are camouflaged to avoid uglifying their neighborhood might be giving them secret cancer?

My recommendation: Use two dixie cups and a string to talk to your friends and family - and STFU.
 
2008-11-09 03:58:04 PM

A cell phone tower diquised as a tree in Conifer, Colorado, along US 285 at Blackfoot Rd. (The Denver Post | Brian Brainerd)


Nice caption, Brian.
 
2008-11-09 03:58:52 PM
voran: From the article, the 'cell phone tower disguised as a trail pavilion' seems kinda dangerous to me. I can understand disguising it, but disguising it as something people might potentially be drawn to: "Hey, lets go rest under that pavilion!" zaaaaaaap.

You don't seem to know much about RF, cell phone towers or physics.
 
2008-11-09 03:59:04 PM
Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.


See the "Strangeguitar" post. I have noticed more today than before in various thread.
 
2008-11-09 03:59:27 PM
Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.


maybe he can't see uploaded photos
 
2008-11-09 04:00:32 PM
FTFA
"We are the guinea pigs, and only time will tell," the Martins wrote in a letter to neighbors.


As ninjakirby and St_Francis_P have suggested . . . no, you are not the guinea pigs, this stuff has been tested on us since the days of radio broadcasting, which would be over a hundred years now. I think it's safe to say you aren't in danger.
 
2008-11-09 04:00:38 PM
Normally I can, but I didn't before and now I do. Could be the homebrew. Carry on.
 
2008-11-09 04:00:44 PM
There is no scientific evidence to support any increased rates of cancer due to exposure to power lines or phone towers. Several studies have looked at the effects of radio waves and microwaves combined; these have generally not shown any increase in cancer, except for a US Air Force study that suggested an increase in brain tumors in association with radiofrequency/microwave exposure. The World Health Organization stated in 1993 that "the epidemiologic and comparative clinical studies do not provide clear evidence of detrimental health effects in humans from exposure to RF fields. Occupational exposure to RF will be at higher levels than that encountered by the general population, and, thus, there is less likelihood of health effects in the general population as a whole."

A study recently published in the British journal The Lancet (Vol. 354) found no association between electromagnetic fields (EMF) and childhood cancer.
Lead author Nick Day, PhD, professor of epidemiology at Cambridge University, and colleagues studied 2,226 children in the United Kingdom from infancy to age 14 with a confirmed cancer. Those children were compared with a control group of cancer-free children matched for date of birth and sex.
The researchers took measurements of EMF exposures at the children's homes - including the proximity and type of overhead power lines nearby and electrical appliances in the homes. They also measured exposures at schools or other institutions attended by the children.
"We find no evidence that magnetic fields associated with the electricity supply increase risk of childhood leukemia, malignant brain tumors, or any other childhood cancer," the study authors wrote.
They added, "The degrees of exposure were low compared with other studies reported from North America, probably because of differences in the operating characteristics of the electricity supply and wiring practices. Our results are consistent with those of larger studies on childhood leukemia that used measured fields and population based studies... ."

The researchers said an overview of all available data from studies of childhood leukemia with measured exposures to EMF is underway.
Michael Thun, MD, vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research for the American Cancer Society (ACS), said the new study is a strong one. "This is really a very nice, large, population-based study. It found no evidence of an association of EMF and acute lymphoclastic leukemia, all leukemias, central nervous system tumors, and all other malignant disease."
Studying the relationship of EMF to cancer is extraordinarily difficult, partly because it is difficult to measure exposures, Dr. Thun said. "This study went to great lengths to capture the major sources of exposure," he added.
The study's findings parallel those of a 1997 study that found no relationship to EMF and the most common types of childhood leukemia, according to Dr. Thun.
However, an editorial accompanying the study points out that there were not enough children with high category exposures to assess their risk reliably. A major childhood leukemia study currently underway in Japan is expected to address this issue.
Cancers in children account for only one in 360, or 0.3 percent, of all cancers. Every year, about 130 new childhood cancers are diagnosed for every 1 million children. However, cancer is the second leading cause of death in children under 14 years of age



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2008-11-09 04:00:47 PM
some attorney: Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.

See the "Strangeguitar" post. I have noticed more today than before in various thread.


your computer is farked my friend. The strangeguitar post is an uploaded picture
 
2008-11-09 04:00:54 PM
InternationalShoe: So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?

False analogy.
 
2008-11-09 04:00:56 PM
InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?


I see your point, but it's not exactly the same. Cell towers aren't proven to increase anyone's risk of cancer and can be built in such a way that you can't even tell they're there. A highway running for your back yard is pretty obviously a pain in the ass.
 
2008-11-09 04:02:01 PM
Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.


...or ARE there?
 
2008-11-09 04:06:22 PM
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2008-11-09 04:09:11 PM
thesubliminalman: blank

Beat me to it :)
 
2008-11-09 04:09:49 PM
A cell tower that looks like a cell tower is a lot less ugly than a cell tower that tries to look like a tree.

Just as formica that looks like formica is a lot less ugly than formica that tries to look like wood.

Revel in the technical infrastructure of your time.
 
2008-11-09 04:11:35 PM
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2008-11-09 04:11:49 PM
thesubliminalman: blank

It's a frickin conspiracy. Do you know why these fark conspiracies against me only happen when I'm wasted? It's because the conspirators won't take me on when I'm sober. Either that or I get confused when I'm wasted, and there's no conspiracy, but that's just crazy talk.

I just figured out that all the trees in my yard are disguised cell phone towers that are messing with my brain. I fell for it for so long because they lose their "leaves" every fall, which is exactly what I would expect real trees to do. They have thought of everything. DIABOLICAL!
 
2008-11-09 04:12:22 PM
InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?


Apples, oranges. Can you tell the difference between on and near? If some company wants to build a cell tower on my property I may have a problem with that. Depends on the compensation. As it stands right now there are several cell towers right up the street from me. I get excellent reception.
 
2008-11-09 04:14:16 PM
Last week's headline:

Residents complain about ugly cell phone towers in their neighborhoods, refuse to stand for it
 
2008-11-09 04:14:24 PM
These types of complaints have nothing to do with science (because the science says, you are a hippie idiot). They have everything to do with NIMBY (Not In My BackYard).

Every single day we are literally bathed in a very large range of multifrequency radio energy. And we have been since the dawn (pun intended) of time. These frequencies and the breath and intensity of them have increased, yes, but they are scarcely something our bodies are designed to capture and absorb. The overwhelming vast majority of them pass through us utterly undetected and harmlessly.

For those bands that could effect us, the power levels needed are way above any levels radiated today. Some people have the belief that just being bathed in low levels of these waves over long periods of time will do the damage. Not true. Consider: if your placed your hand in front of a warm air vent, maybe 85 degrees and left it there for months or years, at the end of that time it'd still just be warm. It's not like it'd eventually burst into flames. So, same thing here.

In other words, chill out people. Sometimes technology does have to rear it's head into your view now and again in order to do what you want. Why am I sure that if those towers were removed and the people in those areas suddenly lost cell phone reception they'd be clamouring even louder for that to be fixed!
 
2008-11-09 04:15:05 PM
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2008-11-09 04:15:17 PM
Shenanigans!: InternationalShoe: lajimi: When these people whine about the towers....Ask them if they have a cell phone. If the answer is yes tell them to STFU.

So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?

I see your point, but it's not exactly the same. Cell towers aren't proven to increase anyone's risk of cancer and can be built in such a way that you can't even tell they're there. A highway running for your back yard is pretty obviously a pain in the ass.


Better analogy, gas line running under your house. Or buried electrical cable. And the answer is still STFU.
 
2008-11-09 04:15:30 PM
InternationalShoe: Chucklz: some attorney: What's with the increase of blank posts lately?

There isn't a single blank post in this thread.

maybe he can't see uploaded photos


hmmm, can't figure out browser settings? we had an archived tech support case like this once... what he needs to do is carefully place the computer back into the box, tape the box up and return it to the store. he's too farking stupid to own one..
 
2008-11-09 04:16:41 PM
i22.tinypic.com

/Obligatory
 
2008-11-09 04:16:43 PM
I just figured out that all the trees grass in my yard are disguised cell phone towers that are messing with my brain. And you some attorney are really freaking me out!
 
2008-11-09 04:18:41 PM
They won't, you know. They don't stand for baloney.
 
2008-11-09 04:18:55 PM
As cellphone use and WiFi use have increased, the per capita rate of brain cancer has decreased. The raw rate has increased, but that follows the increase in population.

If you want to make any unfounded correlation, it should be that cell phones, cell towers and WiFi cure brain cancer.
 
2008-11-09 04:19:02 PM
this just in,

government agencies often serve the interests of big business over those of the people whose wishes they have sworn to represent.
 
2008-11-09 04:20:35 PM
I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.
 
2008-11-09 04:20:56 PM
I hope these soccer moms actually do stop cell phone towers from going up in their neighborhood. I then hope their husband has a heart attack in the backyard while shes at her PTA meeting. Poor hubby can't get reception on his cell, and drops dead.

That would be mint.
 
2008-11-09 04:22:21 PM
InternationalShoe: So if someone built a highway through your yard and you use highways to get to work, you don't have the right to complain?

The cell companies go to the land owner and offer to purchase cell tower leases or easements. This happens a lot in both crowded metro areas and rural areas where there are very few city easements.

The cell company cannot just show up and put a cell tower on your property. They can place it on a city easement if the city cooperates but more often it's cheaper to buy the lease from the owner. There are sites to help you negotiate the best price/deal when a cell company approaches you.
 
2008-11-09 04:22:44 PM
RedLeg1525: I wonder if in the 60's FM radio had the same type people railing against it.

I think people were worrying that fluoridated water was disrupting their brain waves so that Yuri could mind control them.
 
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