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(Ric Romero)   Study shows elevated death risk after heart attack. No word on elevated death risk after plane crash, alien invasion or thermonuclear weapons exchange   (webmd.com) divider line
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2008-11-08 08:36:05 AM  
you're grounded, subby. go to your room.
 
2008-11-08 08:37:48 AM  
I heard there was an elevated risk of death during life.
 
2008-11-08 08:38:02 AM  
well that is useful to know!
 
2008-11-08 08:38:39 AM  
Is there an elevated risk of death for whizzing on the electric fence?
 
2008-11-08 08:39:56 AM  
I'm sure subby read the article fully and didn't just stop at the headline, and understands that the article is not talking about death from the heart attack in question, but from "sudden cardiac death," a distinct medical condition that people might not realize they or their loved ones are at risk for.

That's why subby is awesome. Because he would never just read a headline, jump to an assumption, and post a misleading link to Fark.
 
2008-11-08 08:41:42 AM  
On average, the patients were 67 years old, and 59% of them were men.

Hmmmm... It almost seems as if there is some sort of correlation between being an elderly male and having a heart attack. Perhaps the researchers should spend a decade or two studying that too.
 
2008-11-08 08:42:42 AM  
Should have included elevated death risk after birth.
 
2008-11-08 08:43:48 AM  
Would you like to play a game?
 
2008-11-08 08:44:52 AM  

MOHWowbagger: I'm sure subby read the article fully and didn't just stop at the headline, and understands that the article is not talking about death from the heart attack in question, but from "sudden cardiac death," a distinct medical condition that people might not realize they or their loved ones are at risk for.

That's why subby is awesome. Because he would never just read a headline, jump to an assumption, and post a misleading link to Fark.


you can do that? and here i've been reading the whole article like a sucker.
 
2008-11-08 08:48:19 AM  

MOHWowbagger: I'm sure subby read the article fully and didn't just stop at the headline, and understands that the article is not talking about death from the heart attack in question, but from "sudden cardiac death," a distinct medical condition that people might not realize they or their loved ones are at risk for.

That's why subby is awesome. Because he would never just read a headline, jump to an assumption, and post a misleading link to Fark.


Agreed, but even so, the medical field has known that having an MI carries an increased risk of cardiogenic morbidity/mortality for some time now. Last year they were lecturing us constantly about the risks for patients post-MI.

So I agree to some extent in ridiculing the study. I didn't bother to RTFA, mainly because it's a summary for the lay public and they are notorious at sensationalizing study findings, but unless it specifically identified the etiology of sudden cardiac death, it's not all that useful, but may end up promoting further study.

/what's the greatest risk factor for an MI?
//a previous MI!
 
2008-11-08 08:59:22 AM  

The_Terminator: MOHWowbagger: I'm sure subby read the article fully and didn't just stop at the headline, and understands that the article is not talking about death from the heart attack in question, but from "sudden cardiac death," a distinct medical condition that people might not realize they or their loved ones are at risk for.

That's why subby is awesome. Because he would never just read a headline, jump to an assumption, and post a misleading link to Fark.

Agreed, but even so, the medical field has known that having an MI carries an increased risk of cardiogenic morbidity/mortality for some time now. Last year they were lecturing us constantly about the risks for patients post-MI.

So I agree to some extent in ridiculing the study. I didn't bother to RTFA, mainly because it's a summary for the lay public and they are notorious at sensationalizing study findings, but unless it specifically identified the etiology of sudden cardiac death, it's not all that useful, but may end up promoting further study.

/what's the greatest risk factor for an MI?
//a previous MI!


Thank you. BTW Whats the difference between a paramedic and God?
 
2008-11-08 09:01:07 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Thank you. BTW Whats the difference between a paramedic and God?


God thinks he/she/it is a paramedic?
 
2008-11-08 09:05:27 AM  

gothelder: globalwarmingpraiser: Thank you. BTW Whats the difference between a paramedic and God?

God thinks he/she/it is a paramedic?


God knows he isn't a paramedic?

Serious being one, we are some of the most arrogant people you will ever meet. Even if they don't show it a good medic always wonders if they could have made a difference on bad scenes. There is nothing more ego boosting than taking a heart that is not beating and making it beat again. It is one of those things that people do not understand. It is a huge rush. Oh and if a paramedic is being honest he will tell you that nurses are usually worthless when on their own. We look at a lot of these studies and the first thing we think is DUH.
 
2008-11-08 09:13:00 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: gothelder: globalwarmingpraiser: Thank you. BTW Whats the difference between a paramedic and God?

God thinks he/she/it is a paramedic?

God knows he isn't a paramedic?

Serious being one, we are some of the most arrogant people you will ever meet. Even if they don't show it a good medic always wonders if they could have made a difference on bad scenes. There is nothing more ego boosting than taking a heart that is not beating and making it beat again. It is one of those things that people do not understand. It is a huge rush. Oh and if a paramedic is being honest he will tell you that nurses are usually worthless when on their own. We look at a lot of these studies and the first thing we think is DUH.


I imagine that is because making life and death decisions day after day will do that for one.....

\ Bringing out the Dead, one of the best movies ever.
 
2008-11-08 09:15:39 AM  

gothelder: globalwarmingpraiser: gothelder: globalwarmingpraiser: Thank you. BTW Whats the difference between a paramedic and God?

God thinks he/she/it is a paramedic?

God knows he isn't a paramedic?

Serious being one, we are some of the most arrogant people you will ever meet. Even if they don't show it a good medic always wonders if they could have made a difference on bad scenes. There is nothing more ego boosting than taking a heart that is not beating and making it beat again. It is one of those things that people do not understand. It is a huge rush. Oh and if a paramedic is being honest he will tell you that nurses are usually worthless when on their own. We look at a lot of these studies and the first thing we think is DUH.

I imagine that is because making life and death decisions day after day will do that for one.....

\ Bringing out the Dead, one of the best movies ever.


Actually it was a poor representation of EMS. Third Watch was a lot more realistic actually.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2008-11-08 09:16:11 AM  
Is there an elevated death risk after a nice game of chess?
 
2008-11-08 09:18:53 AM  

ZAZ: Is there an elevated death risk after a nice game of chess?


Are you playing against a sicilian. Then yes.
 
2008-11-08 09:18:56 AM  
This is still really obvious.

If you subby basher(s) instist, it could be reworded slightly. Say:

Study shows elevated risk of heart related death following heart attack. No word on elevated risk of being crushed alive after plane crash, elevated risk of anal probe following alien invasion or elevated risk of additional limbs following thermonuclear weapons exchange.


Same thing pretty much. Mine's bettar.
 
2008-11-08 09:25:20 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: I heard there was an elevated risk of death during life.


Especially if you're doing it right.
 
2008-11-08 09:27:07 AM  

The_Terminator: Is there an elevated risk of death for whizzing on the electric fence?


Nope. That was busted.
 
2008-11-08 09:27:20 AM  

Epistax: This is still really obvious.

If you subby basher(s) instist, it could be reworded slightly. Say:

Study shows elevated risk of heart related death following heart attack. No word on elevated risk of being crushed alive after plane crash, elevated risk of anal probe following alien invasion or elevated risk of additional limbs following thermonuclear weapons exchange.


Same thing pretty much. Mine's bettar.


subby was making a pun on the word elevated, where planes, UFOs, and TNWs come from the sky, not the consequences of untoward events.

but sure. yes. ok. also. and such.
 
2008-11-08 09:46:57 AM  

MOHWowbagger: I'm sure subby read the article fully and didn't just stop at the headline, and understands that the article is not talking about death from the heart attack in question, but from "sudden cardiac death," a distinct medical condition that people might not realize they or their loved ones are at risk for.

That's why subby is awesome. Because he would never just read a headline, jump to an assumption, and post a misleading link to Fark.


Wow, you have the sandiest vagina on earth.
 
2008-11-08 10:08:46 AM  

The_Terminator: Is there an elevated risk of death for whizzing on the electric fence?


I talked my younger brother into this when we were kids. He lived.

/looked painful
//he still gets pissed when I bring it up
 
2008-11-08 10:12:21 AM  
Your science tax dollars at work.
 
2008-11-08 10:21:07 AM  
Having had an MI last June, I am, so far, getting a kick....
 
2008-11-08 10:22:19 AM  

Mongo cut wood: Your science tax dollars at work.


OH NOES! SCIENCE IS BAD! WHATEVER THE MEDIA REPORTS ABOUT SCIENCE MUST BE THE ONLY THING THEY ARE STUDYING!

This is why stupid people don't get to make science decisions.
 
2008-11-08 11:10:49 AM  
This is a difficult study for a lot of people to understand. A layperson looking at this will probably say, "Wow. People who have heart attacks die, thanks for the newsflash." It goes beyond that, because what we don't completely understand yet is which patient population is going to die from sudden cardiac death following an MI. It's not as simple as one might think. There are patient's that have gigantic heart attacks and do fine from an electrical standpoint, but then there are others that have a seemingly small heart attack and then go on to have dangerous rhythms. There have been numerous studies on these patients, MADIT, MADIT II, SCDHeFT, etc. We know a lot about patient populations that may suffer SCD in the months and years following a heart attack, but the immediate month after a heart attack hasn't been studied very much. It's difficult to get any solid data in that time period. The body is still recovering from the injury, medications are being added and adjusted.

So, as silly as this study may seem to some, it's a very important piece of information for the cardiology field. It sheds some light into this period of time that we don't have a whole lot of information on yet.
 
2008-11-08 12:07:15 PM  

tonesskin: Mongo cut wood: Your science tax dollars at work.

OH NOES! SCIENCE IS BAD! WHATEVER THE MEDIA REPORTS ABOUT SCIENCE MUST BE THE ONLY THING THEY ARE STUDYING!

This is why stupid people don't get to make science decisions.


Scientists should only study how to make more oil so gas prices stay low, amirite?
 
2008-11-08 12:27:06 PM  
Headline made me LOL.
Nicely worded.
 
2008-11-08 12:36:45 PM  
I thought the risk of death was 100% for everybody...
 
2008-11-08 03:08:34 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: ZAZ: Is there an elevated death risk after a nice game of chess?

Are you playing against a sicilian. Then yes.


This is inconceivable!


Also, what about elevated death risk from possible zombie infection/outbreak?
 
2008-11-08 05:12:04 PM  

dkk37: Also, what about elevated death risk from possible zombie infection/outbreak?


I'd venture to guess that there'd be an elevated risk of undeath.

har har har
 
2008-11-08 05:35:23 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Oh and if a paramedic is being honest he will tell you that nurses are usually worthless when on their own. We look at a lot of these studies and the first thing we think is DUH.


Are you referring to RN/Paramedics who ride with you, or critical care (but non-EMS) nurses? I fail to see the comparison between a medic and, say, a hospital-based ICU nurse.

Keep in mind that even the most screwed up patient that we can get in the ICU has at least survived whatever accident he/she was in long enough to be transported to the hospital and through the ED. I would never make the statement that my patients are sicker or more unstable than what a paramedic sees.

/getting a kick out of, etc.
 
2008-11-08 09:05:34 PM  
I just had a Heart Attack, what a load oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
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