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brightcrazystar		2008-11-07 05:45:06 PM

who the FARK wants to be on a ship called the "George W. Bush"???

/bet it costs a fortune and sinks.

fark at work		2008-11-07 05:45:25 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Do you know what else the Germans popularized?

/amidoinitrite?

Just what every thread needs: Hot women drinking beer.

/half German and half Polish
//loves the european women

Dr._Love		2008-11-07 05:45:38 PM

That's it - I'm naming mine "Hilter"
i79.photobucket.com

forresttriax		2008-11-07 05:46:11 PM

missyfeydra: When is the U.S.S. George W. Bush getting built?
I hear they are planning on just naming a dingy after him.

San Francisco voters rejected a ballot measure to name a sewage treatment plant after W

Psychohazard		2008-11-07 05:48:44 PM

vernonFL: Built by the folks that bring you these:

/hotlinked like bratwurst

No wonder the Germans lost. They put targets, on their own tanks!, right in front of the boom thing.

forresttriax		2008-11-07 05:48:44 PM

My Dad's boat is Hugin.

LuncheBoxe		2008-11-07 05:48:46 PM

/saw it in Long Beach harbor one day.
//still my favorite

Fritriac		2008-11-07 05:49:55 PM

vernonFL: You can still see these in southern California: its the Nazi Jeep:

That's a VW Type 181, first presented in September 1969. Maybe a little bit too late to call it Nazi-Jeep.

/Personally drove such a piece of shiat
//1980, during my army time (Military driver in the German Bundeswehr)
///Lost my license sometime after i got the job due to DUI ;-)

forresttriax		2008-11-07 05:50:24 PM

Old Norse:

Huginn ok Muninn fliúga hverian dag
iörmungrund yfir;
óomk ek of Huginn, at hann aptr ne komit,
þó siámk meirr um Muninn.
English:

The whole world wide, every day,
fly Hugin and Munin;
I worry lest Hugin should fall in flight,
yet more I fear for Munin.
Another translation reads,

Every morning the two ravens Huginn and Muninn, are loosed and fly over Midgard; I always fear that Thought may not wing his way home, but my fear for Memory is greater.

w_houle		2008-11-07 05:52:11 PM

So I take it that I should change my license plate not to read SS-3?

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 05:59:43 PM

vernonFL: Built by the folks that bring you these:

/hotlinked like bratwurst

Um, vernon, that's not a german tank.

Vansthing		2008-11-07 06:06:00 PM

Type 181 would also be known as the Thing... As my screen name implies.
\not a piece of shiat.
\\scary and yet fun to drive
\\\end thread jack.

Erik_Emune		2008-11-07 06:07:28 PM

vaconex: seventypercent: I have a German Shepherd named General Rommel.

BAM! Went to search this forum for the one guy who was pretty cool guy of the SS (in terms of tactics and methods).

There he is.

/interesting

Rommel wasn't SS, he was regular Army.

LargeCanine		2008-11-07 06:08:51 PM

Rocknutts: It's a French tank, a CHAR B to be precise. Did anyone mention that yet?

Mentioning that it was a Char B1 was a line I didn't want to cross, lest I be a labeled Ubergeek.

/ubergeek

SpiderQueenDemon		2008-11-07 06:11:01 PM

eggrolls: So this guy became a Nazi to fight Stalin, who by all accounts was a much bigger Sumbiatch with a final body count even bigger than Hitlers, joined the resistance during the war, placing himself and his family at risk every day, and went on to live a full and productive life after the war.

My wife's high school German teacher, better known as "Tante Usche", is a family friend; she's in her 70s and still sharp as a tack. When she was little girl in Germany during the war, she was a Hitlerjunge, mostly because if she wasn't she would get beat up every day at school, and her parents, who also joined the Nazi party, would have been suspect for not making her join. It was what you had to do to survive if you didn't of couldn't flee Germany- her father would have lost his job if he wasn't a party member. She's worn black on Hitler's birthday every year since 1945.

I guess I better stop being nice to her, though. Once a Nazi...

Seriously. Get over it.

We know a sweet old German lady like that, too. We call her Tante Ilse, because she's been one of my Grandma's poker buddies since the sixties and is more or less an honorary grandmother. Tante Ilse's father was sent to the camps for hiding Jews on their farm, but he survived. One of the Jewish boys he was hiding survived, too, and he and Ilse have been married for something like 50 years. He's a retired doctor and she still does some substitute-teaching despite her retirement.

She told us stories of what it was like in the Bund Deutsche Madel as a little girl -kind of like Girl Scouts, but with Hitler involved, to hear her tell it. She had to appear zealous about the BDM, considering what her parents were up to, but because one of the main activities was singing and she liked that, she didn't have too hard a time looking like a good little Hitler Youth. Tante Ilse also told us about how her older sisters would let clean-cut boys from the Hitler Jugend walk them home after school, but that they only went out after dark with the rebellious, 'long-haired' boys who liked swing music and American movies. She approved of my fiance instantly because he was wearing a zoot-suit Halloween costume the first time they were introduced. Sweet old lady.

Some of her filters have started to go, though; she was almost arrested for burning a paper Reichsflag and singing 'Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead' on Hitler's birthday. She did very much the same thing Tuesday night when Obama won, only this time she just burned 'Mein Kampf' and some pictures of KKK members from the Internet. My dad finally gave her our old charcoal grill so she has a safe way to do her political immolations, but between Tante Ilse and my Grandma, there's no real way to make hard-drinking, hard-playing old ladies safe for the general public. I won't even discuss the nonsense they get up to on bingo night.

TypoFlyspray		2008-11-07 06:11:29 PM

He said Heerema's son Edwin's desire to honour his father was understandable up to a point, but the choice of name was "tasteless and unethical".
You keep using that word...
www.derok.net

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

You can argue whether it's offensive, but it is in no way a matter of ethics or lack thereof. (Nor Morals.)

Ransom		2008-11-07 06:19:49 PM

I think you're a nazi (new window)

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 06:29:04 PM

awwww man i was hoping this was going to turn into a Tank Nerd Thread!

lets see if i can jump start it by posting a sweet pic of a model Jagdpanther.

vampire1		2008-11-07 06:31:47 PM

So much fail in this thread. "High ranking nazi ss official" pictured holds rank of schutze, or a lowly private. Rommel was army, not SS, already mentioned. Panzers did indeed have targets painted on them in Poland and France...lessons were learned and it was corrected.

Who else was part of the nazi war machine? The current pope, hitler youth flak crew member. (My former Methodist minister also.)

w_houle		2008-11-07 06:32:49 PM

Is it possible to Godwin this thread?

TehNacho		2008-11-07 06:34:03 PM

Father_Jack: vernonFL: Built by the folks that bring you these:

/hotlinked like bratwurst

Um, vernon, that's not a german tank.

That is a French Tank, but there are German troops in front of it, Paratroopers in fact, I would imagine that they either knocked it out, or were sending pictures back to loved ones. I would imagine it is early in the war because that type of tank was obsolete before the war even started (like most French weapons systems) and did not last very long once the fighting started.

Keep in mind that when the war started, France took deliveries of whatever they could get, including warplanes from French factories which were missing important parts such as propellers, or canopies.

Jeffrey.Rodriguez		2008-11-07 06:41:28 PM

There are two things I hate: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

/not obscure, but funny.

Aukama		2008-11-07 06:46:17 PM

Jeffrey.Rodriguez: There are two things I hate: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

/not obscure, but funny.

How about noooo, you freaky Dutch bastard

Jeffrey.Rodriguez		2008-11-07 06:50:57 PM

Aukama: Jeffrey.Rodriguez: There are two things I hate: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

/not obscure, but funny.

How about noooo, you freaky Dutch bastard

I think I have my movie picked for the night.

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 06:52:11 PM

TehNacho: Father_Jack: vernonFL: Built by the folks that bring you these:

/hotlinked like bratwurst

Um, vernon, that's not a german tank.

That is a French Tank, but there are German troops in front of it, Paratroopers in fact, I would imagine that they either knocked it out, or were sending pictures back to loved ones. I would imagine it is early in the war because that type of tank was obsolete before the war even started (like most French weapons systems) and did not last very long once the fighting started.

Keep in mind that when the war started, France took deliveries of whatever they could get, including warplanes from French factories which were missing important parts such as propellers, or canopies.

those guys dont look like fallschirmjaeger to me, they're wearing standard m35 helmets, not the Paratrooper brimless ones.

also, the french army of 1940 was marvellously well equipped. it had more tanks and heavier ones, more planes etc than the Wehrmacht did, it was just woefully led by commanders who'd been with foch in 1918 and just didnt get combined arms.

my guess is the pic is from the initial invasion, probably may or june 1940 when it was a good time to be a german soldier.

Spam Pajamas		2008-11-07 06:56:59 PM

My wife named my boat for me

youhavegottobekidding.org

TehNacho		2008-11-07 06:58:42 PM

Father_Jack: TehNacho: Father_Jack: vernonFL: Built by the folks that bring you these:

/hotlinked like bratwurst

Um, vernon, that's not a german tank.

That is a French Tank, but there are German troops in front of it, Paratroopers in fact, I would imagine that they either knocked it out, or were sending pictures back to loved ones. I would imagine it is early in the war because that type of tank was obsolete before the war even started (like most French weapons systems) and did not last very long once the fighting started.

Keep in mind that when the war started, France took deliveries of whatever they could get, including warplanes from French factories which were missing important parts such as propellers, or canopies.

those guys dont look like fallschirmjaeger to me, they're wearing standard m35 helmets, not the Paratrooper brimless ones.

also, the french army of 1940 was marvellously well equipped. it had more tanks and heavier ones, more planes etc than the Wehrmacht did, it was just woefully led by commanders who'd been with foch in 1918 and just didnt get combined arms.

my guess is the pic is from the initial invasion, probably may or june 1940 when it was a good time to be a german soldier.

Crap, you're right they don't have the rimless helmets, but I saw the long jackets and immediately thought of the jump smocks German Paratroopers wore.

And in the beginning of WW2, the French were very poorly equipped. Many of their aircraft arrived missing parts, and were slow and weakly armed with just one or two machine guns.

For their tanks, yes, they were heavily armored, and compared on paper against the early German tanks well armed, but they were slow and lacked maneuverability.

You are definitely spot on about the lack of training coordination and leadership.

eggrolls		2008-11-07 07:01:05 PM

SpiderQueenDemon, I think we better never let your grandma, Ilse & Usche meet. Or at least have bail money ready if they do.

/Hard rockin' old ladies FTW!

FW190		2008-11-07 07:05:23 PM

Just like von Braun, he was probably scientist who was required to have SS membership. Nothing to see here, move along...

Nylter		2008-11-07 07:05:53 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: We know a sweet old German lady like that, too. We call her Tante Ilse, because she's been one of my Grandma's poker buddies since the sixties and is more or less an honorary grandmother. Tante Ilse's father was sent to the camps for hiding Jews on their farm, but he survived. One of the Jewish boys he was hiding survived, too, and he and Ilse have been married for something like 50 years. He's a retired doctor and she still does some substitute-teaching despite her retirement.

She told us stories of what it was like in the Bund Deutsche Madel as a little girl -kind of like Girl Scouts, but with Hitler involved, to hear her tell it. She had to appear zealous about the BDM, considering what her parents were up to, but because one of the main activities was singing and she liked that, she didn't have too hard a time looking like a good little Hitler Youth. Tante Ilse also told us about how her older sisters would let clean-cut boys from the Hitler Jugend walk them home after school, but that they only went out after dark with the rebellious, 'long-haired' boys who liked swing music and American movies. She approved of my fiance instantly because he was wearing a zoot-suit Halloween costume the first time they were introduced. Sweet old lady.

Some of her filters have started to go, though; she was almost arrested for burning a paper Reichsflag and singing 'Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead' on Hitler's birthday. She did very much the same thing Tuesday night when Obama won, only this time she just burned 'Mein Kampf' and some pictures of KKK members from the Internet. My dad finally gave her our old charcoal grill so she has a safe way to do her political immolations, but between Tante Ilse and my Grandma, there's no real way to make hard-drinking, hard-playing old ladies safe for the general public. I won't even discuss the nonsense they get up to on bingo night.

Damnit. Ya made me cry. Those kinds of people are AWESOME to know, and I envy you.

/doesn't even bother with the dust in my eye excuse

james_bong		2008-11-07 07:06:04 PM

Tom_Slick: MasterThief: The U.S. government owns one called the Horst Wessel.

At least it used to be. (Try to guess what it is now, you'll be surprised!)

USCGC Eagle

That wasn't the only one we got, but the one we got and really should have kept was the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen. She was actually named USS Prinz Eugen briefly for testing after the war. Unfortunately, the people in charge at the time saw it fit to use her to find out how atomic bombs affect ships at sea. Needless to say, she lies at the bottom of the ocean today (though as a direct result of the bomb blasts). Link (new window) Seeing the American WWII battleship museums today is quite a powerful experience, imagine if we'd had the foresight to use the Prinz Eugen for a while, and then turn her into a museum? There's not a lot of tangible German stuff left over from the war, for various reasons some founded and some unfounded.

MeltyKiss		2008-11-07 07:07:55 PM

Tr0mBoNe: When is the U.S.S. George W. Bush getting built?

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 07:08:24 PM

TehNacho

the french campaign is actually more fun to read about in detail than one would think. I'd recommend Alastair Horne's "To Lose a Battle" if you're interested in finding out more.

The German crossing of the Meuse is incredibly gripping. Its every bit as gripping as the landing on omaha beach, just, well, since it was the bad guys who won we dont give it much attention.

The germans in little rubber boats paddling across into machine gun fire from french infantry in pillboxes on the left bank, supported by panzer III and IVs firing over open sights from the right bank, stukas diving overhead....

TehNacho		2008-11-07 07:10:04 PM

Father_Jack: TehNacho

the french campaign is actually more fun to read about in detail than one would think. I'd recommend Alastair Horne's "To Lose a Battle" if you're interested in finding out more.

The German crossing of the Meuse is incredibly gripping. Its every bit as gripping as the landing on omaha beach, just, well, since it was the bad guys who won we dont give it much attention.

The germans in little rubber boats paddling across into machine gun fire from french infantry in pillboxes on the left bank, supported by panzer III and IVs firing over open sights from the right bank, stukas diving overhead....

Ever read "Forgotten Soldier," "Stuka Pilot," "The First and the Last," "Top Secret Bird," or "Soldat?"

All very excellent books.

LoneVVolf		2008-11-07 07:12:37 PM

vernonFL: Wight Power: You can tell it's French because it's captured.

I thought it was because it only has 3 gears and 2 of those are in reverse?

And the forward gear was only installed incase they were attacked from behind.

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 07:12:39 PM

TehNacho: Ever read "Forgotten Soldier," "Stuka Pilot," "The First and the Last," "Top Secret Bird," or "Soldat?"

All very excellent books.

i have forgotten soldier in first edition hardcover, its my all time favorite book. not read the others tho.

Love sajer's description of taking part in Kursk at Belgorod.

"What happened next? I retain nothing from those terrible moments
except indistinct memories which flash into my mind with sudden
brutality, like apparitions, among bursts and scenes and visions that
are scarcely imaginable. It is difficuly even to try to remember
moments during which nothing is considered, foreseen, or understood,
when there is nothing under a steel helmet but an astonishingly empty
head and a pair of eyes which translate nothing more than would the
eyes of an animal facing mortal danger. There is nothing but the rythm
of explosions, more or less distant, more or less violent, and the
cries of madmen, to be classified later, according to the outcome of
the battle, as the cries of heroes or of murderers. And there are the
cries of the wounded, of the agonizingly dying, shrieking as they
stare at the part of their body reduced to pulp, the cries of men
touched by the shock of battle before everyone else, who run in any
and every direction, howling like banshees. There are tragic,
unbelievable visions, which carry from one moment of nausea to
another: guts splattered across the rubble from one dying man to
another; tightly riveted machines ripped like the belly of a cow which
has just been sliced open, flaming and groaning; trees broken into
tiny fragments; gaping windows pouring out torrents of billowing dust,
dispersing into oblivion all that remains of a comfortable parlour....

And then there are the cries of the officers and noncoms, trying to
shout across the cataclysm to regroup their sections and companies.
That is how we took part in the German advance, being called through
the noise and dust, following the clouds churned up by our tanks to
the northern outskirts of Belgorod. All resistance was overwhelmed,
and once again everything was either German or dead, and a sea of
Russian soldiers had drawn back into the limitless confines of their
country."

Cant you just *smell* it? The dust? The smoke? The blood? Hear the
sound of the diesels?

zealot_45		2008-11-07 07:14:53 PM

Father_Jack, TehNacho...

I would like to thank you both for your contributions. :P I generally stay out of these threads, because people tend to get worked up over what I consider fascinating. Appreciate the info.

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 07:18:07 PM

zealot_45: Father_Jack, TehNacho...

I would like to thank you both for your contributions. :P I generally stay out of these threads, because people tend to get worked up over what I consider fascinating. Appreciate the info.

To war nerds! *raises glass*

As much as ww2 is better reading, its important to read up on ww1 too, its the root of all evil. it's the Original Sin of the 20th Century.

HONDOWAYNE		2008-11-07 07:19:02 PM

U.S.S. Jack M. Eoff

crevans		2008-11-07 07:19:21 PM

vernonFL: Named after a Nazi War Criminal:

/hotlinked

Ass engined Nazi slot car...

TehNacho		2008-11-07 07:19:23 PM

Father_Jack: TehNacho: Ever read "Forgotten Soldier," "Stuka Pilot," "The First and the Last," "Top Secret Bird," or "Soldat?"

All very excellent books.

i have forgotten soldier in first edition hardcover, its my all time favorite book. not read the others tho.

Love sajer's description of taking part in Kursk at Belgorod.

Cant you just *smell* it? The dust? The smoke? The blood? Hear the
sound of the diesels?

I read it when I was about eight and it did give me nightmares frequently.

Soldat was written by an artillery man that survived the war and a Russian prison camp.

Stuka Pilot was written by Hans Ulrich Rudel. He flew a Stuka on the eastern front, 500 or so tanks busted.

The First and the Last, IIRC was written by Adolf Galland as an autobiography- but it mostly highlighted his work with the jets in the late war.

Top Secret Bird was written by Wolfgang Spate- it highlights some of his life before and during the war, but it is mostly his memoirs during his time as a test pilot for the ME163 program.

They are all very, very excellent books (perhaps not as explicit as Forgotten Soldier).

TehNacho		2008-11-07 07:22:03 PM

zealot_45: Father_Jack, TehNacho...

I would like to thank you both for your contributions. :P I generally stay out of these threads, because people tend to get worked up over what I consider fascinating. Appreciate the info.

The first books I ever read were about WW2. I was a Civil War reenactor from the time I was about 6 to the time I was 15... I'm a huge history nerd.

Father_Jack: zealot_45: Father_Jack, TehNacho...

I would like to thank you both for your contributions. :P I generally stay out of these threads, because people tend to get worked up over what I consider fascinating. Appreciate the info.

To war nerds! *raises glass*

As much as ww2 is better reading, its important to read up on ww1 too, its the root of all evil. it's the Original Sin of the 20th Century.

WW1 is an interesting read, for sure. It's very human, I feel, and less about technology than WW2... which is weird to say because the new technologies created prior to WW1 was what made the slaughter so horrible.

Ghastly		2008-11-07 07:31:54 PM

FTFA:Pieter Schelte Heerema was renowned as a maritime engineer but was condemned for his service in the Nazi unit.

I saw this video once where this guy was taken prisoner by a transsexual SS officer and condemned to service her Nazi Unit. Maybe it was this guy.

Fluffy_the_cactus		2008-11-07 07:31:59 PM

I suggested to my friend that he needed to name his boat. He has it on Lake Pend O'Reilles (sp?) in Washington State... I suggested he name his boat Al Qaeda. Granted, the US Navy has a base on Pend O'Reilles, but still...

Father_Jack		2008-11-07 07:33:11 PM

Nacho

search for Rudel's name on youtube, they've some photage of his unit busting barges in the Crimea with cannons mounted on the bottom of stukas. that guy was an amazing combat pilot.

the problem with rudel, unlike hartmann or galland was, well, he was an unrepentant nazi d'bag till the end of his life. but he did basically write the book on ground attack.

zealot_45		2008-11-07 07:33:18 PM

TehNacho: WW1 is an interesting read, for sure. It's very human, I feel, and less about technology than WW2... which is weird to say because the new technologies created prior to WW1 was what made the slaughter so horrible.

This is quite true. WWI was the clearing house if you will for the old commanders, fighting a old-world war with new-world weapons. It was kinda like the civil war in that respect, formation battle maneuvers with rifled weapons is nothing more than mass suicide, much like human wave assaults against automatic weapons. Horrid things.

Insomnambulant		2008-11-07 07:34:28 PM

40below: Why do these stories always originate in the Netherlands? What is it with the swamp Germans and their affection for the Nazis anyway?

There is no affection, I'd call this unusual. And troll or not, "swamp Nazis" is unfair, and shows you don't get to Europe much. Or read for that matter.

HipsterHolocaust		2008-11-07 07:35:42 PM

Father_Jack: And then there are the cries of the officers and noncoms, trying to
shout across the cataclysm to regroup their sections and companies.
That is how we took part in the German advance, being called through
the noise and dust, following the clouds churned up by our tanks to
the northern outskirts of Belgorod. All resistance was overwhelmed,and once again everything was either German or dead, and a sea of Russian soldiers had drawn back into the limitless confines of their
country."

That is one awesomely evocative paragraph, particularly what I highlighted. I can almost hear the blank, steady voice reading it. Thanks for posting it.

TehNacho		2008-11-07 07:37:31 PM

Father_Jack: Nacho

search for Rudel's name on youtube, they've some photage of his unit busting barges in the Crimea with cannons mounted on the bottom of stukas. that guy was an amazing combat pilot.

the problem with rudel, unlike hartmann or galland was, well, he was an unrepentant nazi d'bag till the end of his life. but he did basically write the book on ground attack.

I didn't feel that the Nazi thing came out at all while reading Stuka pilot, but anyone else's mileage may vary- I've never read any detailed biographies about Hartmann though- War as I knew It (about George S. Patton) was an excellent read, and Fire and Steel the Isreali 7th Army Brigade is great too... but Fire and Steel is far more contemporary.

TehNacho		2008-11-07 07:38:14 PM

zealot_45: TehNacho: WW1 is an interesting read, for sure. It's very human, I feel, and less about technology than WW2... which is weird to say because the new technologies created prior to WW1 was what made the slaughter so horrible.

This is quite true. WWI was the clearing house if you will for the old commanders, fighting a old-world war with new-world weapons. It was kinda like the civil war in that respect, formation battle maneuvers with rifled weapons is nothing more than mass suicide, much like human wave assaults against automatic weapons. Horrid things.

Ugh. Galipoli...

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