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2008-11-07 09:21:57 AM  
He said: "Our system of jury trials depends on 12 good men and women and true coming to court and listening to the case. Orality is the crucial ingredient of the adversarial system.


Hee hee--Orality.
 
2008-11-07 09:24:17 AM  
I don't believe that's a prob -- wait a minute, got an email . . . OK, where were we? Yeah, people aren't that easily -- cool, a new Flash game!
 
2008-11-07 09:26:30 AM  
I started reading that article and got so bored I clicked away...what was he saying?
 
2008-11-07 09:34:01 AM  
Psh.

I read about the case I was about to be a juror in on Wikipedia. I know everything there is to know about it, I don't have to listen to no cross-examination.
 
2008-11-07 09:48:11 AM  
That's bull. I had jury duty once and it wasn't boring at all. I forget what it was about, just some guy doing something. I voted guilty because I didn't like his shirt.
I know I was right because they executed him last month. They invited me to go see it, but The Biggest Loser was on that night and I really wanted to see Heba get voted off.

Heba's such a b*tch!
 
2008-11-07 10:15:42 AM  
I'm here for the orality.

/Blows of Justice?
 
2008-11-07 10:16:00 AM  
Huh?
 
2008-11-07 10:16:42 AM  
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Disapproves Objects
 
2008-11-07 10:16:44 AM  

fatimcgee: I started reading that article and got so bored I clicked away...what was he saying?


What article?
 
2008-11-07 10:16:53 AM  
Soon we will be able to jury duty from home via the internet.
 
2008-11-07 10:18:19 AM  

kagemaru026: Disapproves Objects


Post #8, We're slacking here fo-

Hold on, someone's twittering.
 
2008-11-07 10:19:46 AM  
I found this article to be.......brb
 
2008-11-07 10:20:12 AM  
Pshaw! If the court would allow jurors to set up an RSS feed on the trial proceedings, we wouldn't have this problem!

/Pshaw I say!
 
2008-11-07 10:21:20 AM  
He said: "Our system of jury trials depends on 12 good men and women and true coming to court and listening to the case. Orality is the crucial ingredient of the adversarial system.

Maybe if you blow hard farking lawyers would just get to the point, we'd pay more attention.

Last jury I say on was for a civil suit for damages involving an auto crash. I swear to holy god, the defendants lawyer just would not shut the fark up and droned on and on and on and on about every little detail while asking questions.

By the end of the day I wanted to cock punch the farker even though I felt the defendant was in the right.
 
2008-11-07 10:23:54 AM  
This just in: old people are boring and difficult to listen to.
 
2008-11-07 10:24:30 AM  
How can anyone really serve on a jury anyways?

If civic duty entails selective enforcement, selective prosecution, evidence tampering, jury tampering, jury misconduct, racial bias, sexual bias--not the good kind, and worst of all swearing on the Bible or giving an oath then sentencing a human being to death, then it's meant for better people than I am.
 
2008-11-07 10:24:32 AM  
Easily distracted? Psht, I didn't even read the article and I'm still posting a comment.
 
2008-11-07 10:24:41 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: I swear to holy god, the defendants lawyer just would not shut the fark up and droned on and on and on and on about every little detail while asking questions.


They get paid by the syllable
 
2008-11-07 10:24:44 AM  
Comic books Television That goshdarn negro jazz music The internet is going to destroy our young people!
 
2008-11-07 10:25:27 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: nd worst of all swearing on the Bible


that only happens in movies
 
2008-11-07 10:26:54 AM  
Those darn young whipper-snappers! They never listen!
 
2008-11-07 10:27:46 AM  
You people are all snapperheads.
If I see the jury summons in the mail I write "moved, no longer at address," and send it back.
That usually buys me another year.
 
2008-11-07 10:28:58 AM  
This guy is a judge. Not a behavioral psychologist. This whole article is just one judges opinion. We may have been raised with the internet but for goodness sakes we all sat in a classroom.
 
2008-11-07 10:29:58 AM  
Welcome to the Ritalin Generation.
 
2008-11-07 10:30:44 AM  

Zed-ex: but for goodness sakes we all sat in a classroom.


Some of us are right now
 
2008-11-07 10:33:21 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf


He said: "Our system of jury trials depends on 12 good men and women and true coming to court and listening to the case. Orality is the crucial ingredient of the adversarial system.

Maybe if you blow hard farking lawyers would just get to the point, we'd pay more attention.


If I were the type to use the facepalm meme, I would do so here.

Laws are worded very precisely for a reason: to express exactly what the author(s) of the law wanted to say. In order to address fully the details of the laws and of the evidence related in support thereof, the orality of litigation must achieve precision commensurate with the precision of the law.
 
2008-11-07 10:33:47 AM  

the voices in your head: Comic books Television That goshdarn negro jazz music The internet is going to destroy our young people!


You make me walk funny.
 
2008-11-07 10:33:47 AM  
I listen to nothing at all on the internet. There is no sound to be had! Perhaps a faint whistling as information moves through the tubes.

/Comic books have destroyed me as a young person. I read them for years, and then I got old. I am sure it was no coincidence!
//I think I should change my fark name to Lord Judge of All the Land.
 
2008-11-07 10:34:29 AM  
Jury Duty? BOOOORING.

*stumble*
*RSS*
*email*
*twitter*

Oh hey a Fark article about being distracted? Neat.

/Wait, what?
 
2008-11-07 10:36:45 AM  

Farkin'round: Welcome to the Ritalin Generation.


Ah, those were the days.
 
2008-11-07 10:39:04 AM  

thelordofcheese


Farkin'round: Welcome to the Ritalin Generation.

Ah, those were the days.


Archie and Edith were on Ritalin?
 
2008-11-07 10:40:45 AM  
Candlejack threa
 
2008-11-07 10:44:00 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: IdBeCrazyIf

He said: "Our system of jury trials depends on 12 good men and women and true coming to court and listening to the case. Orality is the crucial ingredient of the adversarial system.

Maybe if you blow hard farking lawyers would just get to the point, we'd pay more attention.


If I were the type to use the facepalm meme, I would do so here.

Laws are worded very precisely for a reason: to express exactly what the author(s) of the law wanted to say. In order to address fully the details of the laws and of the evidence related in support thereof, the orality of litigation must achieve precision commensurate with the precision of the law.


Laws are worded precisely to express its clear intent and motivation. To fully address the details of the laws and related evidence, courtroom oral arguments must have a precision comparable to the law.

These means that lawyers must often be long winded.

/I know that my version can be tightened greatly
//I haven't had the morning coffee, and I don't care to remove each and every proposition.
 
2008-11-07 10:45:39 AM  
tl;dr
 
2008-11-07 10:45:47 AM  
No "generational differences" discussion thread would be complete without the obligatory "Fark You, Boomers" statement.

/discuss
 
2008-11-07 10:48:30 AM  
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"So finally justice is served. Well, not actual justice, just what I wanted. Which is basically the same thing"

/good episode
//peep show
 
2008-11-07 10:52:40 AM  
I went today! i thought i would provide some thoughts/comments etc from my experience there as a pentaxian.

fyi: i don't think this post will be well organized, i just want to convey my thoughts before they are lost. all shots are k10d raw pef, processed in acr, but very minimally. exif should be intact. non-lens test shots are with fa35f/2.

i saw ned bunnell - did not meet him or anything, just saw him at the booth. also saw kerrick james and i think julie quarry (both sponsored/spokepersons). the pentax booth has the best seating that i saw - some great comfy chairs/couches.

no sign of da*30 or da15 limited - the booth attendants did not have much info (i maybe even knew more than a couple of them thanks to the inter-tubes and this forum), though one said da15 should be by christmas, i think, maybe. da*55 should be available by then also - they've had some delays with that lens.

all the other items were there. k2000 is very small, not exactly compact though b/c of the grip, etc. but small - a little too small for me (i can almost palm a basketball). (olympus e-420 is how i think small should be - no grip, like older slr's (cough...MX...cough). tried it, also too small for reall comfort, but its small in a more useful way since it has no grip). it lacks a number of controls i'm used to on the k10d that i don't think i would want to lose. the new gui for menu's and info screen is a nice improvement.

speaking of small, olympus had their micro-4/3 prototype on display. that looks really cool. i don't think it was any bigger than a canon g9.

sdm is not what it should be, imo. i had not used an sdm lens previously. it IS very quiet and smooth, but just as slow as screw-drive and no more accurate, based on my limited, non-comprehensive experience.

da*60-250 looks gigantic. i did not try it. i think i would rather get the 300, which is also quite large. 50-135 is really, really nice to hold, use (if only it had ring-drive focus motor...). k20d DNG files were noticeably slow to write on my sandisk 2gb extreme III card, versus k10d PEF's which are fine.

i was really hoping i could test out the da*55, and it happened! they had non-final/pre-production units the guy said, so be aware that that may affect my comments. it feels great on the k10d in terms of balance and size. mf feel was quite nice, a little looser than fa-limiteds i think, but noticeably damped (in a good way). better than focus ring on fa35/2 - loses the scratchy feeling, and not loose like that is. much better than da17-70 which was AWFUL - it's like the focus ring is just sitting loose around the outside, and it has maybe 1.5-2 inches of travel, yikes! focus on the 55 was not so great - slowish and not very accurate (hopefully b/c it was pre-production, hopefully). the pictures: really nice, when in focus. f/1.4 bokeh has double-lined watercolor look common to fast 50's, but stopped to f/2.4 (and maybe wider, too) it becomes much smoother. 3d look, smooth background, looks to resolve a lot... summary: i want it bad, but i hope the focus isn't as mediocre as it seemed.

fa31 and fa77: awesome! if you can afford it, BUY them! i wish i could get them. they are amazing. focus ring was not as great as i was expecting, but still much smoother than other AF lenses i have used.

overheard a rep say that the optio w60 was the first product that hoya had substantial input on/influence over. i wonder how much they were part of k2000?

zeiss 28mm f/2: not amazingly impressive in 2 minutes of use. very heavy (feels unbalanced on my 10d imo), focus ring a little too tight, and bokeh not so impressive, based on very limited testing (~5 shots). wide open and still even at f/2.8 oof highlights are nasty - ringed and with a bullseye in the middle. they said i was the first pentax camera of the day at ~1:30 pm

new leica slr: looks amazing. body size is not all that big, but sensor is huge. however, lenses are giant. i don't know why. they looked much bigger than my 645 medium format lenses. rep said summer 2009, price "competitive with medium format cameras/backs".

metz flashguns look pretty good, they feel well put together. very few buttons on the back, so might be a little complex to change settings.

amazingly there was no panasonic booth!? i wanted to check out the lx-3. and the g-1, but they were a no-show for some reason.

photoshop cs4, lightroom 2: look really nice! definitely some impressive stuff. as somebody next to me watching some demonstrations said: "i'm sold".

the novoflex items were very impressive. if you need an expensive ball head the magic ball looked really cool and solid. if you're into spherical panoramas, their stuff looks awesome, so solid, precise, well-thought-out. the new panorama=Q 6/8 base looks really nice. gotta love that German engineering. if only it all wasn't so expensive. if they make anything of the type you need and you are willing to spend what they ask, i wouldn't even think of buying from anyone else.

wait, what were we talking about again?
 
2008-11-07 10:53:36 AM  
What is up with you people?
*distributes Ritalin*
 
2008-11-07 10:55:07 AM  

nmathew01


Laws are worded precisely to express its clear intent and motivation. To fully address the details of the laws and related evidence, courtroom oral arguments must have a precision comparable to the law.

These means that lawyers must often be long winded.


Congratulations: you have managed to remove both precision and accuracy - AND to introduce grammatical errors - while excessively simplifying the wording.

In a roundabout way, you have just demonstrated why the law and related proceedings must be communicated as they are.
 
2008-11-07 10:56:26 AM  
When I did my stint on a jury, I felt like I was the most uninformed part of the process. I didn't have a nifty laptop in front of me to read the transcript as it happened. I didn't get the legal stuff about the rules of evidence until moments before that information was needed. Most of the other members of the jury were idiots, but there was no good way to convince them of anything since I had no information at hand nor was I allowed to prepare beforehand. The whole process is really dumb, almost designed to generate a flawed result.
 
2008-11-07 10:57:35 AM  

nmathew01: Englebert Slaptyback: IdBeCrazyIf

He said: "Our system of jury trials depends on 12 good men and women and true coming to court and listening to the case. Orality is the crucial ingredient of the adversarial system.

Maybe if you blow hard farking lawyers would just get to the point, we'd pay more attention.


If I were the type to use the facepalm meme, I would do so here.

Laws are worded very precisely for a reason: to express exactly what the author(s) of the law wanted to say. In order to address fully the details of the laws and of the evidence related in support thereof, the orality of litigation must achieve precision commensurate with the precision of the law.

Laws are worded precisely to express its clear intent and motivation. To fully address the details of the laws and related evidence, courtroom oral arguments must have a precision comparable to the law.


Laws contain words used to explain in detail the intent. To understand that law a lawyer should be concise and direct in their arguments.

These means that lawyers must often be long winded.

/I know that my version can be tightened greatly
//I haven't had the morning coffee, and I don't care to remove each and every proposition.


This farker was long winded. There is a big difference between attempting to explain a possible grey area that the law failed to cover, and just talking to talk.

Half of everything that was said by the defense was overly loquacious and intended to draw the procession out as long as possible.
 
2008-11-07 11:04:35 AM  
I'm going to order this Fark headline t-shirt and wear it to jury duty.
 
2008-11-07 11:06:37 AM  
It's hard to sit there and listen to someone whose shiat is all retarded and talks like a fag.
 
2008-11-07 11:08:22 AM  
Q: How many ADD kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: Wanna go ride bikes now?


/aisle seat, please...with a vegetarian meal
//oh, wait - teh ADD, I've got it, too
 
2008-11-07 11:09:06 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Half of everything that was said by the defense was overly loquacious and intended to draw the procession out as long as possible.


I remember hearing an attorney say that in court the attorneys are overly wordy with their explanations because they know many (if not most) of the people in the jury box are idiots, that if you don't explain everything in detail and connect every dot, many will not get the point.
 
2008-11-07 11:09:55 AM  
Lawyers only want the stupidest, most tractable people in the jury pool anyway. If you show any sign of intelligence they'll strike you. So I'm not sure if it matters.
 
2008-11-07 11:11:11 AM  
Odd . . . I was on a jury, took some notes, deliberated, nothing to it. I will say, the law is not precise, and no one can clarify it for you, it is up to the jury to decide the minutiae. The jurors were all quite cognizant and capable.


/and getting kicks
\alt slash
 
2008-11-07 11:11:35 AM  
I skimmed the article while listening to the radio and googling myself [yeh, that way *fap fap*] because, you know, we just simply cannot pay attention! I know the article doesn't mention any sort of study or statistic, but that judge is right, I'm sure he goes home and looks at his kids, gazing headlong into glowing rectangles, and he just can't reach out to them. Clearly we need special assistance like we're handicapped.

The younger generation is smart enough to get out of jury duty, your honor.
 
2008-11-07 11:13:15 AM  
I was going to insert that bit that Carlin did about jury duty but I was distracted
 
2008-11-07 11:13:34 AM  

tuxq: Easily distracted? Psht, I didn't even read the article and I'm still posting a comment.


THIS
 
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