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  2008-12-04 03:02:07 PM  
I dunno about GTAIV on PC.

I love PC gaming, but the "problem" is that I enjoy games on the keyboard and mouse too damned much. I bought the GTA 3 and Vice City a few weeks ago (yes, I am behind the times) because they were only about four dollars a piece (PS2 version) at my local game store... man, they sucked me in, even on the console. I can't imagine how badly I'd be addicted to a PC version of either one.
 
  2008-12-04 03:21:54 PM  
TehNacho: I dunno about GTAIV on PC.

I love PC gaming, but the "problem" is that I enjoy games on the keyboard and mouse too damned much. I bought the GTA 3 and Vice City a few weeks ago (yes, I am behind the times) because they were only about four dollars a piece (PS2 version) at my local game store... man, they sucked me in, even on the console. I can't imagine how badly I'd be addicted to a PC version of either one.


I bought a gamepad for playing the GTA games on my PC. It works great.
 
  2008-12-04 03:34:36 PM  
gayb: I bet you can still see the Milky Way defined at times, no?

Yep :-)
 
  2008-12-04 03:53:44 PM  
nosajghoul: Yep :-)

It's not fair. Light pollution is causing me to lose perspective.
 
  2008-12-05 12:16:06 AM  
wow, there is something screwy going on at pirate bay. The other day somebody uploaded GTAIV without the crack. well since then there have been at least a hundred fake cracks put up since then. Most were taken down, none worked... until one was posted earlier tonight that worked perfectly. It stayed up for 22 minutes and pirate bay yanked it. What confuses me is that they left up the fake cracks. I wonder if they are being paid off by rockstar.

/Glad I grabbed the good crack while it was up
 
  2008-12-05 12:21:45 AM  
Well, I did get GTA4/PC to run in 1280x1024 with my existing card by just reducing one of the settings and cranking some of the others up. Frame rate went up too. Looks a bit better overall.

But, my GTA4/PC problem is now that I can't sign into Games For Windows Live. For some stupid reason, you have to do that to even save your progress in single player (yeah, makes no sense to me either), so while the game looks OK, I can't exactly save my progress, so it's useless :p

I even ran Wireshark on it to sniff the traffic, and I do see successful authentication (bidirectional Kerberos 5 traffic), then the game starts sending UDP packets out and gets no response (and the firewall isn't dropping anything). Strangely, the outbound packets are fragmented, which I suspect Microsoft is dropping. Can't figure out why they're fragmented, 'cause after reassembly the payload is still only 1366 bytes. Odd.
 
  2008-12-05 10:10:26 AM  
Mike: Well, I did get GTA4/PC to run in 1280x1024 with my existing card by just reducing one of the settings and cranking some of the others up. Frame rate went up too. Looks a bit better overall.

But, my GTA4/PC problem is now that I can't sign into Games For Windows Live. For some stupid reason, you have to do that to even save your progress in single player (yeah, makes no sense to me either), so while the game looks OK, I can't exactly save my progress, so it's useless :p

I even ran Wireshark on it to sniff the traffic, and I do see successful authentication (bidirectional Kerberos 5 traffic), then the game starts sending UDP packets out and gets no response (and the firewall isn't dropping anything). Strangely, the outbound packets are fragmented, which I suspect Microsoft is dropping. Can't figure out why they're fragmented, 'cause after reassembly the payload is still only 1366 bytes. Odd.


Just sign up for an offline account in games for windows
 
  2008-12-05 10:23:01 AM  
I've got GTA IV from Steam. Going to try it tonight. However I'm hearing of problems with Vista x64 and trying to install the latest Windows Live update.
 
  2008-12-05 01:30:44 PM  
I have the account already (I just re-used my MSN Messenger login)... I can sign in on the web or using gfwlclient.exe in \program files\microsoft games for windows - live\client.
But those all use HTTP or HTTPS to talk to the server. The game's using UDP port 3704 and that's what's stalling out.

I'll see if I can get a sniffer upstream one hop.
 
  2008-12-06 12:54:19 AM  
I had to download an update for GFWL
 
  2008-12-06 01:44:49 AM  
Did that already.

Gonna have my ISP sniff upstream tomorrow to see where the packet drops are happening. I haven't 100% ruled out my own router.
 
  2008-12-06 04:12:38 AM  
I could use some advice on the computer I'm building...

A power outage did something wonky to my computer. Despite being behind a surge protector, my motherboard and graphics card no longer function. My computer is 8 years old, so it's time for an upgrade anyways.

This is my first time building a computer from scratch, so I wanted to make sure I was doing it right.

I plan on running 64-bit windows vista home premium system builder's edition (i know, I know, vista sucks balls)

So, here goes:
Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106
Cool er Master. Mid tower. ATX Form factor.

Hard Drives:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074
WD Caviar. 320gb, 7200RPM, SATA 3.0gb/s
I'm going to buy two HDs. One for softwware, one for data. The idea being that reformatting, organizing, backing up, and defragging should be easier. With most of the drive access being done on the software side of things, the chance of HD failure causing data loss will hopefully drop significantly.

Graphics Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130370
EVGA GeForce GTX 260. 896mb. PCI-ex 2.0.
Requires: 450w PSU, two 4-prong dongles. Dongle dongle dongle.

DVD Burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135176
ASUS
SATA 3.0gb/s

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
550w. ATX. Plenty of 4-pin dongles.

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231194
G .Skill 2x2gb 240pin DDR2 1100 (PC2 8800)

Mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138118
BIO STAR TPower I45. ATX form factor.
Supports Core 2 Quad. Intel 45nm. LGA775.
FSB: 1600/1333MHz (Help, I know what a FSB is and what the 1333MHz is, what's the 1600, though?)
Mem slots: 4x240pin, DDR2 1200 (Is this a problem if my ram is DDR2 1100? Their specs page says they support Dual-Channel DDR2 -1200(OC)/1066/800)
6 SATA 3.0gb/s ports
2 PCI-ex 2.0 ports

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681911504 3
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5ghz.
LGA 775
FSB: 1333 MHz


Other concerns:
Should I get new processor fan? The one I'm getting comes with one but I dunno if it wiould be inferior to a zalman.
I'd like this computer to be able to last me for another 7-8 years. I think in the future I might take advantage of SLI and a new power supply, as well as 4 more gigs of ram. Does anyone see any significant bottlenecks that could also hurt me in the long run?


Final cost, after shipping and gift certificates:
$1,039.45

Yikes.
 
  2008-12-06 04:39:30 AM  
get a bigger power supply.
 
  2008-12-06 07:51:22 AM  
This Is Bold Text: WD Caviar. 320gb, 7200RPM, SATA 3.0gb/s
I'm going to buy two HDs. One for softwware, one for data. The idea being that reformatting, organizing, backing up, and defragging should be easier. With most of the drive access being done on the software side of things, the chance of HD failure causing data loss will hopefully drop significantly.


Stick with one hard drive, albeit a larger one. Two hard drives double your chances of failure. I'd also recommend a Seagate. WD drives ain't what the used to be and Seagate's warranty is 5 years, not 3 like WD. If you are really concerned with data integrity go with a raid 1 setup.
 
  2008-12-06 08:21:15 AM  
there's a whole bunch of GTA IV tweaks in this forum:
http://www.erodov.com/forums/gta-iv-tweaks-u/14764.html

something that might help framerates is disabling the 30 second clip capture
 
  2008-12-06 11:34:59 AM  
No_47: get a bigger power supply.

A 550W Antec is more than enough for that system.
 
  2008-12-06 01:19:59 PM  
I'm going to buy two HDs. One for softwware, one for data.

Get two identical-sized drives (not necessarily identical brand) and mirror them (raid 1). Hard drives will fail eventually, mirroring will help you keep your data when it happens. When one dies, you can continue running with the one remaining drive until you can swap the dead one for another.

Don't stripe them (raid 0) and don't use one for data and one for software. Either of those means losing either all or half your data in a crash, and in the raid 0 case you can't continue running with just one drive.

I'll second the Seagate recommendation, though definitely avoid their budget Maxtor brand. All brands have their bad years though, even Seagate, Hitachi, and WD.

Oh, and that vidcard is gonna need 6-pin, not 4-pin, extra power plugs, probably two of them. Any new Antec PSU will be fine w/ that. Get one with removable power connectors at the PSU end though, less clutter inside the case that way.
 
  2008-12-06 01:27:23 PM  
Zalman makes good CPU fans but they're unnecessary on the 45nm CPU's. The stock fan is just fine. The only advantage to the Zalmans are they're easier to install/remove -- I hate the Intel LGA775 clip mechanism with a passion. I may just be too stupid to do it right tho, wouldn't be the first time :)

If you're future-proofing you may want a DDR3-based board instead of DDR2 and something that can go to at least 8 GB memory (since you're gonna be running 64-bit). I tend to go with Asus and Intel boards in desktops and Supermicro in servers, though I do have a little Shuttle SX38P2 on my desk nowadays. Biostar's probably OK but not zOMGgreat. Gigabyte and Tyan are kinda on my shiatlist. Some nVidia motherboard chipsets have a history of bizarre SATA data corruption problems; consider sticking to Intel chipsets even though that often rules out SLI.

Go with ECC memory if the board's chipset supports it (most ignore the ECC bits)

550W may be OK but 620W would be a bit better. Not much price difference.
 
  2008-12-06 01:27:54 PM  
Mike: Get two identical-sized drives (not necessarily identical brand) and mirror them (raid 1). Hard drives will fail eventually, mirroring will help you keep your data when it happens. When one dies, you can continue running with the one remaining drive until you can swap the dead one for another.

Don't stripe them (raid 0) and don't use one for data and one for software. Either of those means losing either all or half your data in a crash, and in the raid 0 case you can't continue running with just one drive.

I'll second the Seagate recommendation, though definitely avoid their budget Maxtor brand. All brands have their bad years though, even Seagate, Hitachi, and WD.

Oh, and that vidcard is gonna need 6-pin, not 4-pin, extra power plugs, probably two of them. Any new Antec PSU will be fine w/ that. Get one with removable power connectors at the PSU end though, less clutter inside the case that way.


Awesome, thanks
 
  2008-12-06 01:44:36 PM  
Ok, I'm now getting Seagate 500gb drives.
I currently have a 80gb drive, with 20 gigs still free, so I don't see using that up any time soon

DDR3 is a little bit out of my price range.
My mobo can handle up to 8gb ram

A 650W PSU I'm looking at says it has 2 PCI-E Connectors
1 x 6Pin, 1 x 6+2Pin
My graphics card says it needs 2 x 6 Pin Will they work together?
 
  2008-12-06 03:12:08 PM  
yes, 6 pin PCI-E connectors are what the nVidia card wants, you're fine.
 
  2008-12-06 06:41:48 PM  
Fixed my farking GTA4 not being able to sign into Games For Windows Live. Sure nuff it was the UDP packets being fragemented that was the problem. Cisco's VPN client reduces the IP MTU from 1500 to 1300. Even better, it doesn't change it back when you uninstall it. Once I uninstalled it and regedited the MTU back to 1500, poof, works fine now.
 
  2008-12-06 07:49:42 PM  
shorter version: any Games For Windows Live or XBox Live game requires a MTU of at least 1364. That's why the Cisco VPN Client broke it.
 
  2008-12-07 07:09:56 PM  
Now you can get the Warm Coffee achievement!

OH NIKO!
 
  2008-12-08 11:08:15 PM  
So, are any of the Flash ads on Fark causing massive CPU usage for anyone else? Those HP computer ads are the worst.
 
  2008-12-09 04:01:51 AM  
FuturePastNow: So, are any of the Flash ads on Fark causing massive CPU usage for anyone else? Those HP computer ads are the worst.

There are flash ads on Fark? I guess I have been spared them because of adblock. Perhaps you should try it.
 
  2008-12-09 01:39:51 PM  
I currently suffer no issues from the ads on fark
 
  2008-12-09 06:33:00 PM  
ads? I don't see no frucken ads!
 
  2008-12-09 06:51:01 PM  
Maddogjew: There are flash ads on Fark? I guess I have been spared them because of adblock. Perhaps you should try it.

Listen, I know all about f*cking adblock. I don't need a lecture about blocking sh*t. I'm just not using Firefox all the f*cking time, and I'm just wondering if this is a problem for anyone else, or with this computer.

Cripes.
 
  2008-12-09 10:18:31 PM  
Never underestimate the nature of a nerd to be smug motherfarker when asking a simple question. It's why we're known as people persons.

//had to stop myself from saying "What ads?" too
//though I'm surprised I haven't heard "Use Farkback" yet.
//On second thought, don't use farkback to report the ad, post in Fark Forum instead. They like it when you do that there.
 
  2008-12-09 11:59:47 PM  
FuturePastNow: Cripes.

I appreciate the self-censoring.
 
  2008-12-10 06:49:48 AM  
FuturePastNow: Listen, I know all about f*cking adblock. I don't need a lecture about blocking sh*t. I'm just not using Firefox all the f*cking time, and I'm just wondering if this is a problem for anyone else, or with this computer.

Your aspergers is showing. Lighten up Francis.
 
  2008-12-10 11:58:30 AM  
i59.photobucket.com
 
  2008-12-10 06:16:02 PM  
Alt-F4, lefty. Alt-F4.
 
  2008-12-10 06:44:26 PM  
I like your pic in profile.
where do I get one of thems?
 
  2008-12-10 07:23:47 PM  
You mean my e-mail captcha? You make one with Photoshop or GIMP.

Gradient background, with the hue changed slightly for each frame

text foreground, distorted a little bit more each frame

then animate like this, say if there's 5 frames: 1,2,3,4,5,4,3,2 and loop it.
 
  2008-12-10 08:22:58 PM  
hrmmmm.....
 
  2008-12-11 12:40:42 AM  
ok...
what email address?
 
  2008-12-11 02:07:00 AM  
gayb: I appreciate the self-censoring.

It's an underused word. I like "ninny," too.
 
  2008-12-11 04:27:16 AM  
lefty­bl­onde[nospam-﹫-backwards]krafa­r­tlu*com
 
  2008-12-11 05:02:38 PM  
leftyblonde: hrmmmm.....

No_47: ok...
what email address?


Ninnies. Get a room.

/I like No_47 being "Christmassy," too.
 
  2008-12-11 07:31:40 PM  
Hey now, I'm not under any orders to be a dick all the time

and I'll get right on that after work.
 
  2008-12-11 07:36:22 PM  
No_47: Hey now, I'm not under any orders to be a dick all the time

and I'll get right on that after work.


i59.photobucket.com
 
  2008-12-12 12:48:25 AM  
THANK YOU!!!

i59.photobucket.com
 
  2008-12-12 12:00:52 PM  
.uʍop ǝpısdn sı ɹoʇıuoɯ ɹnoʎ
 
  2008-12-12 03:03:13 PM  
Nobody in the US has a 3G data plan for less than $60/mo do they?
 
  2008-12-12 11:36:58 PM  
gta iv now has a patch
 
  2008-12-13 01:16:42 PM  
i59.photobucket.com
 
  2008-12-15 02:19:58 AM  
Anyone know a way to widen the little slider bar for FireFox or possibly all throughout windows (vista)?
 
  2008-12-15 02:49:50 AM  
Right click on Desktop
Click "Personalize"
Click "Window Color and Appearance"
Click "Open classic appearance properties for more color options"
Click "Advanced" button
In the "Item" dropdown box, select "Scrollbar"
Change the "Size" value
 
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