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  2008-10-26 09:52:40 PM  
Barakku: TehNacho: Blech. I powered down my machine and went to watch a movie. Came back, turned it on, and CHKDSK was running. I wrote down some of the stuff it spat at me. Because of a "Code 128," some files 84756, 84763, 84765, and 133520 were all deleted. They left some "orphan files." XP then tried to correct an error in index $130 in file 10222. Then, it spat out a huge number of files within 10222 which had to be deleted. Some of them were .gifs, some of them were web addresses from the file name, but there were A LOT of files it deleted. This created some more orphan files which were later apparently restored.

Am I, or my computer, going to die? I've never seen CHKDSK do anything like this, but then again it's been years since I've had a machine that needed it to run.

Sounds like your hard drive's failing-I'd do a full backup and replace the harddrive ASAP. Start the backup immediately-it may be fine for a while, but once a harddrive's started to lose files like that (even one file) the whole thing's not long for this earth.


Really?

It's less than a year old... and it doesn't make any funny noises... a lot of my important stuff is backed up... well, I have my fingers crossed... what's weird is that this didn't start until the last time I ran CCleaner.
 
  2008-10-26 10:00:22 PM  
TehNacho
Am I, or my computer, going to die?

More like your file system or hard drive.
NTFS' MFT file stores where the files are on your drive.
Now if that MFT file is broken..not good.

It's probably too late in your case, but after doing a backup you could try to run chkdsk with the "/f" option (if it didn't use it already in the previous run) or give TestDisk's MFT repair function a try.
 
  2008-10-26 10:12:17 PM  
TehNacho: Barakku: TehNacho: Blech. I powered down my machine and went to watch a movie. Came back, turned it on, and CHKDSK was running. I wrote down some of the stuff it spat at me. Because of a "Code 128," some files 84756, 84763, 84765, and 133520 were all deleted. They left some "orphan files." XP then tried to correct an error in index $130 in file 10222. Then, it spat out a huge number of files within 10222 which had to be deleted. Some of them were .gifs, some of them were web addresses from the file name, but there were A LOT of files it deleted. This created some more orphan files which were later apparently restored.

Am I, or my computer, going to die? I've never seen CHKDSK do anything like this, but then again it's been years since I've had a machine that needed it to run.

Sounds like your hard drive's failing-I'd do a full backup and replace the harddrive ASAP. Start the backup immediately-it may be fine for a while, but once a harddrive's started to lose files like that (even one file) the whole thing's not long for this earth.

Really?

It's less than a year old... and it doesn't make any funny noises... a lot of my important stuff is backed up... well, I have my fingers crossed... what's weird is that this didn't start until the last time I ran CCleaner.


It may last a bit longer, but for the most part a (physical) hard drive problem is like cancer: it's going to go sooner or later. CCleaner wouldn't have anything to do with it, sounds like it's a psychical issue (HDD have moving parts, they'll all wear themselves raw eventually). It may still be under warranty if it's only a year old though, so that's good.
Don't let Best Buy sell you any "backup services" ect or generally anything you don't explicitly ask them for in this. My sister's asked them about doing backups/attempting to fix these things, they charge the price of a new farking HDD and aren't as good as a random geek with linux at fixing shiat.

You can buy "server grade" hard drives (I recommend anything vpr matrix (new window) if you're scared about it happening again, but for the most part it's not necessary unless you NEED it to not screw up; it'll be a bit more expensive, but for the most part normal hard drives are just going to fail every once in a while. The current two in my desktop have run for like 3/4 years now without problem, but my last comp failed within a year.
 
  2008-10-26 10:33:52 PM  
Barakku:

It may last a bit longer, but for the most part a (physical) hard drive problem is like cancer: it's going to go sooner or later. CCleaner wouldn't have anything to do with it, sounds like it's a psychical issue (HDD have moving parts, they'll all wear themselves raw eventually). It may still be under warranty if it's only a year old though, so that's good.
Don't let Best Buy sell you any "backup services" ect or generally anything you don't explicitly ask them for in this. My sister's asked them about doing backups/attempting to fix these things, they charge the price of a new farking HDD and aren't as good as a random geek with linux at fixing shiat.

You can buy "server grade" hard drives (I recommend anything vpr matrix (new window) if you're scared about it happening again, but for the most part it's not necessary unless you NEED it to not screw up; it'll be a bit more expensive, but for the most part normal hard drives are just going to fail every once in a while. The current two in my desktop have run for like 3/4 years now without problem, but my last comp failed within a year.


Damn. I have hard drives I bought at least 5 years ago with no problems. This will actually be the first harddrive to actually die on me. Well, when I have the money...
 
  2008-10-26 10:34:40 PM  
Oh and Best Buy/Circut City/Technicians aren't going to get within a mile of my machine. If it is something I'm not able to do/diagnose myself or with the Geek forums help, it's not worth doing.
 
  2008-10-26 11:29:36 PM  
TehNacho: Oh and Best Buy/Circut City/Technicians aren't going to get within a mile of my machine. If it is something I'm not able to do/diagnose myself or with the Geek forums help, it's not worth doing.

Good plan. I'd make your backup as soon as you can, borrow a backup drive from a friend is nothing else. If you have vista you can do a full backup very easily (I have ultimate and always have, I don't know if all premium installs have this or what) otherwise you'll need whatever other software. Just copy important stuff if nothing else.

If you only have one machine and really want to be safe it might be worth getting a (smaller if need be, for the price) server grade HDD. The warranty should be very good, but they don't fail often. But like you said, most HDD will give you years of good work. Laptops can have more problems if you have one now: HDD have moving parts, so if it accesses the HDD while moving it could scratch the disk. Mine an many modern laptops have motion sensors to stop the HDD head if this happens actually.
 
  2008-10-26 11:40:15 PM  
Accelerometer, actually.
 
  2008-10-27 12:40:09 AM  
Barakku: Any particular reason these failed? Do they have the nice features notebook size ones have (induction based pen, fully working OS?)
Kinda tempted for the Q1 ultra, goes for 500ish used on ebay.


The UMPC was a pet project of Bill Gates before he left Microsoft (as were tablet PCs in general). They failed, in part, because manufacturers charged way too much for them in the beginning. And they had really weak hardware- 800MHz Pentium M was the usual. And the first generation of them had like 90 minute batteries.

They can't be used as someone's only computer, most people aren't interested in owning a second computer, and most people who want a second computer don't want to pay 2007 prices for 2001 tech. Especially not something funny-looking.
 
  2008-10-27 12:45:48 AM  
TehNacho, put that drive in another computer and run a program called SpeedFan to read the SMART info. That'll tell you if it is good or bad.

Barakku: If you only have one machine and really want to be safe it might be worth getting a (smaller if need be, for the price) server grade HDD.

"Server-grade" hard drives are not any better than consumer drives. The hardware is exactly identical in every way. The only difference is some firmware optimizations that certain RAID controllers can use and that will reduce the drive's performance in a single-user environment (IE, a personal computer). For this, drive makers charge a lot of extra money.
 
  2008-10-27 12:51:25 AM  
FuturePastNow: Barakku: Any particular reason these failed? Do they have the nice features notebook size ones have (induction based pen, fully working OS?)
Kinda tempted for the Q1 ultra, goes for 500ish used on ebay.

The UMPC was a pet project of Bill Gates before he left Microsoft (as were tablet PCs in general). They failed, in part, because manufacturers charged way too much for them in the beginning. And they had really weak hardware- 800MHz Pentium M was the usual. And the first generation of them had like 90 minute batteries.

They can't be used as someone's only computer, most people aren't interested in owning a second computer, and most people who want a second computer don't want to pay 2007 prices for 2001 tech. Especially not something funny-looking.


I use a portege (new window) Two year old model, works just fine with vista, but it's the last model with 1 gig ram, so I'm thinking of upgrading that. Seem to work just fine for me, and aren't much more expensive than a plain laptop. I don't see why you couldn't use it for your only computer, I more or less do, just play movies on my desktop cause my speakers are on it.
Sure you're thinking of the same kinda tablets, and not slate-only tablets? Most are basically notebooks that can fold down into a slate orientation. The hybrid form's what I'm looking for in the UMPC as well.
 
  2008-10-27 01:17:20 AM  
Barakku: I don't see why you couldn't use it for your only computer, I more or less do, just play movies on my desktop cause my speakers are on it.
Sure you're thinking of the same kinda tablets, and not slate-only tablets? Most are basically notebooks that can fold down into a slate orientation. The hybrid form's what I'm looking for in the UMPC as well.


I mean the little UMPCs, like the Q1 Ultra. No one is going to use that thing as their main computer.

You want... I'm changing the terminology a little... a convertible tablet netbook?

Dynamism (which is by no means the only store of its type) has one of those that looks (to me) really nice: Gigabyte M912
 
  2008-10-27 01:32:44 AM  
FuturePastNow: Barakku: I don't see why you couldn't use it for your only computer, I more or less do, just play movies on my desktop cause my speakers are on it.
Sure you're thinking of the same kinda tablets, and not slate-only tablets? Most are basically notebooks that can fold down into a slate orientation. The hybrid form's what I'm looking for in the UMPC as well.

I mean the little UMPCs, like the Q1 Ultra. No one is going to use that thing as their main computer.

You want... I'm changing the terminology a little... a convertible tablet netbook?

Dynamism (which is by no means the only store of its type) has one of those that looks (to me) really nice: Gigabyte M912


Oh no, I thought you were talking about tablets; I HAVE a portege now, posting from it; the full sized deal.
The UMPC I understand aren't a great PC replacement, and yeah, a hybrid netbook's basically what I'm looking for: The HTC Shift looks more like my thing...unfortunately a bit more expensive.

At this point I'm considering either getting a hybrid (big tablet) with specs to replace my desktop, or phase out my hybrid for a UMPC. Not sure I ever want to deal with a desktop again, but there really aren't "desktop replacement" tablet PCs...

Also, since these things don't have CD drives, is there a way to get vista ultimate on it without a USB CD ROM? Looks like most already have a premium vista already installed though. The amazing level of tablet extensions they added to vista's what made me get it. That and liking all my tech stuff sleek and sexy.

The gigabyte looks like a baby version of my portege, actually. These things all have crappy pens though...
/ My pen is awesome
 
  2008-10-27 01:44:32 AM  
Aw shiat, looks like the Shift only has 800 mhz processor...life's not fair :/.
 
  2008-10-27 12:57:59 PM  
I finally remember the kind of app I'm looking for, is there such thing as a gesture control kind of app for windows (vista)? like make a couple circles in a mouse hover to refresh, ect?
Google just brings up a lot of fancy devices that use gestures
 
  2008-10-27 02:47:55 PM  
Sweet.

The "IT" (Idiot Technologists) guys here have thrown the switch on a Barracuda internet/web filter. They've apparently been spying on employees web surfing habits and decided that we're wasting bandwidth on streaming audio/video and "going to sites that they shouldn't."

After several days of flawed Farking via the likes of vtunnel, et al, I bit the bullet and set up a ssh based poor-boy VPN tunnel/proxy with one of my Linux boxes at home. Works like a bloody charm! It does leak DNS queries so they could see where I'm going if they knew to look. Gonna have to see what I can do about that.
 
  2008-10-27 02:52:51 PM  
Ah, in firefox, about:config, set'network.proxy.socks_remote_dns' to true. No more leaked DNS queries by the fox.
 
  2008-10-27 03:56:31 PM  
ok i know this is an idiotic question : does the "fax talk" bundled software, work ? i need to start sending faxes again and was wondering if it was viable
 
  2008-10-27 04:46:53 PM  
i see i'm out of my league here
 
  2008-10-27 05:39:49 PM  
I have IE 7. Almost everytime I click on a link that opens up in a new window, the current window fades like the new window will open, but it never comes up. And after clicking the window for a couple of seconds and trying to close it out, it says the program is not responding. It pisses me off. How do I fix it?

As far as I know, my computer is not f*cked with viruses and I don't want to do a system restore. I'm tired of reopening internet explorer every time it decides to freeze up and not open a separate window. Sometimes, IE will also freeze up randomly and "not respond" even while I'm reading the FARK forums, or just surfing the web. Please help! I'm getting tired of this shiat.
 
  2008-10-27 09:00:37 PM  
piaddic120: How do I fix it?

Pick one:

Firefox (new window)
Opera (new window)
Safari (new window)
Chrome (new window)
 
  2008-10-27 10:46:10 PM  
piaddic120: I have IE 7. Almost everytime I click on a link that opens up in a new window, the current window fades like the new window will open, but it never comes up. And after clicking the window for a couple of seconds and trying to close it out, it says the program is not responding. It pisses me off. How do I fix it?

As far as I know, my computer is not f*cked with viruses and I don't want to do a system restore. I'm tired of reopening internet explorer every time it decides to freeze up and not open a separate window. Sometimes, IE will also freeze up randomly and "not respond" even while I'm reading the FARK forums, or just surfing the web. Please help! I'm getting tired of this shiat.


Got adblock (something called IE 7 pro has it, speeds things up)? Otherwise you could try disabling adons (just run the IE 7 without addons thing). Increasing your browser cache size may help as well, if the chache is filling too much, but I'd bet addons, if it's not adware/virus related.

I do somewhat recommend firefox, if change is an option, but IE7 pro has most of the basic good stuff from firefox for IE7, and firefox has a lovely memory leak issue that I've been seeing too much of lately...
 
  2008-10-28 02:47:13 AM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: piaddic120: How do I fix it?

Pick one:

Firefox (new window)
Opera (new window)
Safari (new window)
Chrome (new window)


I just wanted to applaud this answer. very nicely done.
 
  2008-10-28 10:56:25 AM  
AesopRock_00: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: piaddic120: How do I fix it?

Pick one:

Firefox (new window)
Opera (new window)
Safari (new window)
Chrome (new window)

I just wanted to applaud this answer. very nicely done.


Although the answer was sarcastic, I'm considering firefox. But does firefox take up more memory than IE?

I tried disabling addons but that didn't work. Still have the same problem
 
  2008-10-28 11:37:09 AM  
I took out the yahoo toolbar addon and it seems to have reduced the incidence alot.
 
  2008-10-28 12:54:50 PM  
To the Fark tech team:

Due to a new job and other responsibilities, I haven't submitted a link in almost a year.

I just started back submitting links again last week, and I have to say the new(?) "Check Link" button is quite possibly the coolest addition to Fark yet.

Kudos on the implementation of this excellent feature, as it is very useful.

/end public farkback
 
  2008-10-28 08:27:31 PM  
PacersJAM3s:
/end public farkback


Use the farkback link, you godamned tool.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: piaddic120: How do I fix it?

Pick one:

Firefox (new window)
Opera (new window)
Safari (new window)
Chrome (new window)


Symptom, not problem.

Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced -> Reset -> Reset
Restart IE7.

THEN switch to Firefox.
 
  2008-10-29 08:48:25 AM  
No_47: Use the farkback link, you godamned tool.

I'm not sure if you were having a bad day or are just that nice to everybody.

At any rate, the reason I posted it on here was because I imagine they get hundreds of e-mails a day and my comment wasn't anything that important to bother with.

I also know the Geek forum is frequented by the tech team, so I figured if they saw it great, if not no loss.
 
  2008-10-29 09:32:51 PM  
PacersJAM3s

No_47 is generally cool, AFAIK. Possibly a bad day thing, wife/SO on the rag or similar. Add the random idiocy that is endemic to [semi]anonymous posting and you get asswipe posts from normally nice and useful community members.

Have fun (and Fark you all)!

;)
 
  2008-10-30 10:51:39 AM  
Half of the tech team pops in here. Unfortunately, not the half that wrote that particular feature :)
 
  2008-10-30 02:18:19 PM  
PacersJAM3s: just that nice to everybody.

that one. But hey. I'll rephrase.

"You're best off using the actual farkback link to talk about fark's features. Especially to kiss butt."
 
  2008-10-30 08:02:36 PM  
PacersJAM3s

Kudos on the implementation of this excellent feature, as it is very useful.


Okay, enough with the praise for now.
Who do we have to kick for the Blender and Fark-images-hosted-on-Maxim crap on the showbiz tab?

Come on, at least change it so that the IFrame doesn't have a vertical scrollbar.
 
  2008-10-30 10:49:02 PM  
piaddic120: AesopRock_00: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: piaddic120: How do I fix it?

Pick one:

Firefox (new window)
Opera (new window)
Safari (new window)
Chrome (new window)

I just wanted to applaud this answer. very nicely done.

Although the answer was sarcastic, I'm considering firefox. But does firefox take up more memory than IE?

I tried disabling addons but that didn't work. Still have the same problem


Firefox starts out using very little memory...but it very quickly ends up using 200/300MB for no real reason...and it inevitably ends up crashing. I tend to only put my comp into standby, so I won't turn it off for days, and it usually lasts more than a day before grinding to a halt (it occasionally very, very much will grind everything to a halt...)
 
  2008-10-30 11:31:24 PM  
Firefox uses lots of RAM. Maybe you should try Firefox 3. But if it keeps crashing, and your computer keep grinding to a halt, there's almost certainly something else wrong.
 
  2008-10-31 01:19:54 AM  
Maybe it's a Windows thing. I've been browsing all night and FF has stayed steady at 140mb.

Also, putting your computer in standby loads everything into RAM. When there's no room left in RAM it starts using disk space called Virtual Memory. Disk read/writes are VERY slow, which can certainly make things feel sluggish. It gets exponentially slower as Virtual Memory fills up. Eventually it will bluescreen or halt.

Microsoft also uses a ridiculous locked thread model of memory management which can often cause memory to get bloated if a program doesn't properly unload the resources it locked up - which is why rebooting is oh so effective with Windows (because you clear the RAM).

So try to avoid using standby. Shut down when you can.
 
  2008-10-31 02:33:51 AM  
Also, putting Windows into standby means nothing's going to work properly when it comes out of standby.

;)

Also, I'm running Kubuntu Intrepid and Firefox is using 177MB right now.
 
  2008-10-31 12:18:24 PM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Maybe it's a Windows thing. I've been browsing all night and FF has stayed steady at 140mb.

Also, putting your computer in standby loads everything into RAM. When there's no room left in RAM it starts using disk space called Virtual Memory. Disk read/writes are VERY slow, which can certainly make things feel sluggish. It gets exponentially slower as Virtual Memory fills up. Eventually it will bluescreen or halt.

Microsoft also uses a ridiculous locked thread model of memory management which can often cause memory to get bloated if a program doesn't properly unload the resources it locked up - which is why rebooting is oh so effective with Windows (because you clear the RAM).

So try to avoid using standby. Shut down when you can.


I never have any problems when firefox isn't open though, and closing FF fixes the memory prob. FF2 apparently had a memory leak issue, does FF 3 have one as well? I just actually freaking bluescreened, right after firefox got all slow...

I know standby doesn't clean everything like a restart, but it always runs fine when I open it back up. It's usually when I leave FF on and am mostly/only using that that it freaks out...
 
  2008-10-31 12:28:48 PM  
Okay, I got a solution report that says it was caused by a USB driver...my BIOS is the latest, and no USB things are plugged in...

What's this "USB selective power suspend" option? It comes up as the first on the list for causes of the problem; I always left it on because I never use USB things when not plugged in...
 
  2008-10-31 12:43:25 PM  
Never had a problem with Windows coming out of standby. Linux on the other hand... standby has never worked on any machine I've tried it on. It goes to sleep... and then... it powers off the computer, RAM and all. Great.
 
  2008-10-31 04:27:04 PM  
I never saw the use in sleep, hibernate, or anything else besides simply turning it off, but hey, different masturbatory techniques for different folks.
 
  2008-11-01 01:31:34 PM  
gayb: I never saw the use in sleep, hibernate, or anything else besides simply turning it off, but hey, different masturbatory techniques for different folks.

Sleep is quite useful for laptops. You put them to sleep, throw them in a bag. Almost instant restart, just open the lid and it's ready to go.
 
  2008-11-01 03:11:55 PM  
gayb: I never saw the use in sleep, hibernate, or anything else besides simply turning it off, but hey, different masturbatory techniques for different folks.

Same here. I've tried it on my work laptop a few times but the thing crawls to a halt and eventually bluescreens. Easier to just shut it off.

It's a good idea on paper, and if it works for you it could be handy.

FuturePastNow: Never had a problem with Windows coming out of standby. Linux on the other hand... standby has never worked on any machine I've tried it on. It goes to sleep... and then... it powers off the computer, RAM and all. Great.

Works all too well in Ubuntu for me - I have a keyboard with the sleep button in the upper right corner near where I have my mouse. I've pressed it accidentally a few times. Too lazy to unmap it.

Still don't find the utility in it - this is my desk computer, it's not like it takes long to boot the computer up, and I can't download or do my automated backups with the computer in sleep mode.
 
  2008-11-01 04:26:02 PM  
FuturePastNow: Sleep is quite useful for laptops. You put them to sleep, throw them in a bag. Almost instant restart, just open the lid and it's ready to go.

That's true. Forgot about laptops. I wish the wireless connection would go to "sleep" and come back on as fast.
 
  2008-11-02 09:25:51 AM  
No_47: you should try Firefox 3

Can you believe I'm only now learning that Google has discontinued Google Browser Sync? That was my main reason for holding off FF3. Off to the download page it is. Sigh, work is pushing too many things aside.
 
  2008-11-03 01:29:57 PM  
Halp me i want linux on a flash drive oh god i a m no t good with computer
 
  2008-11-03 07:26:48 PM  
 
  2008-11-05 07:02:22 PM  
any advice for a dumbfark with a inspiron with the bottom third of the screen with virticle lines?
 
  2008-11-06 08:13:30 AM  
replace the LCD or see if the cable connecting it to the motherboard is loose.
 
  2008-11-06 12:47:15 PM  
How can I add/expand the bookmark toolbar to make it two rows deep? I tried expanding it just like you would any window (drag to make larger) and it didn't work... tried adding a new toolbar, but can't drop favorites in it...

It's Firefox 3
 
  2008-11-06 04:16:34 PM  
 
  2008-11-07 01:53:37 PM  
Anyone familiar with apt-get?

I'm trying to script installation of sun-java-6 from Capistrano and the damn thing fails because of the interactive license acceptance.

Anyone successfully worked around this?
 
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