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2008-10-31 08:13:14 PM
It's Un-American, damn it!
 
2008-10-31 08:17:06 PM
The Versa is an adequate automobile for very little money. The kind that every automaker has overseas, but Detroit couldn't build if they had a decade and several billion for R&D.
 
2008-10-31 08:22:37 PM
Good for them. However, the Versa had a few critical flaws that made me paying a few grand more for the Honda Fit worthwhile. Take the wagon, f'r instance: The back seats don't fold down flat. There's a big, cargo-interfering hump where they fold. It's the kind of thing that makes loading large / bulky things difficult.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad car for $10k. But it's not a particularly good car, especially compared to a low-mileage one- or two-year-old used car for the same price.
 
2008-10-31 08:26:03 PM
107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!
 
2008-10-31 08:30:01 PM
RobertBruce: 107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!

That was another thing I noticed - the Fit was far, far more responsive than the Versa. It's also a good bet that when I sell my Fit in 5 years, it will only have depreciated by 20-30% at most. Nissans don't fare so well. Better than Ford / GM / Chrysler by a wide margin, but seriously, anybody looking at this is probably better off with a new-used car.
 
2008-10-31 08:30:31 PM
RobertBruce: 107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!

Not to worry, add a coffee can exhaust tip, big wing, and some yellow stickers and it'll smoke Corvettes all day long.
 
2008-10-31 08:31:51 PM
I have the hatchback, and I love it. It's a 6-speed with a moonroof. Until recently, I had to drive about 200 miles or more a week for work, and it's a great commuting car.
 
2008-10-31 08:37:08 PM
CheetahOlivetti: I have the hatchback, and I love it. It's a 6-speed with a moonroof. Until recently, I had to drive about 200 miles or more a week for work, and it's a great commuting car.

Assuming you live in Flatland, I could see using this as a daily commuter and a grocery hauler. I, however, have approx. 7,000 feet of elevation change in the middle of my commute.
 
2008-10-31 08:46:13 PM
HagarTheHorrible: RobertBruce: 107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!

Not to worry, add a coffee can exhaust tip, big wing, and some yellow stickers and it'll smoke Corvettes all day long.


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2008-10-31 08:50:22 PM
Hey, I might even be able to afford that!
 
2008-10-31 08:51:04 PM
St_Francis_P: ROFL, my brother used to drive a 1988 Buick Century station wagon. Just to fark with his classmates in the 5HP Decal Club, he got a visor decal that read, "Wagon Type S"
 
2008-10-31 09:13:42 PM
I'd consider one as a cheap second vehicle to replace our Cavalier when it blows up, except for the 26/34mpg. I would think they could do better than that.
I like my Nissan (XTerra)
 
2008-10-31 09:18:29 PM
Occam's Chainsaw: CheetahOlivetti: I have the hatchback, and I love it. It's a 6-speed with a moonroof. Until recently, I had to drive about 200 miles or more a week for work, and it's a great commuting car.

Assuming you live in Flatland, I could see using this as a daily commuter and a grocery hauler. I, however, have approx. 7,000 feet of elevation change in the middle of my commute.


Damn! Thats a hecka drive way.


www.safetycenter.navy.mil
 
2008-10-31 09:20:11 PM
RabbitOfCaerbannog: I'd consider one as a cheap second vehicle to replace our Cavalier when it blows up, except for the 26/34mpg. I would think they could do better than that.
I like my Nissan (XTerra)


For an engine as small as that.. the milage SUXXORS.

I can't afford new cars. Heck with the price of heating oil and taxes I can't even afford an old car.

My 14 yo 1994 Chrysler Concorde with a 6 cylinder engine and an automatic transmission gets better than 26 mpg.

/heck my old pickup got better milage than that...
 
2008-10-31 09:20:59 PM
107 HP aint all that bad. Did just fine with 63HP of Ford Festiva for years. Cruised at 85 all day long at 45MPG.
 
2008-10-31 09:24:48 PM
Eric_Stratton_rush_chairman: 107 HP aint all that bad.

It is with the quoted mileage. If it got 50mpg then I wouldn't have a problem.
 
2008-10-31 09:30:42 PM
RobertBruce: 107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!

Looks like a decent platform for hybrid technology to me. Light and solid with a sippy engine.
 
2008-10-31 09:40:36 PM
Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: RobertBruce: 107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!

Looks like a decent platform for hybrid technology to me. Light and solid with a sippy engine.


Sippy engine? 26/34 mpg isn't sippy for a small car with low hp (by today's standards).
My first car was an old 86 Dodge Colt that got close to 45mpg. In 28 years they should be able to get far more than 45mpg out of a shiat little car.
 
2008-10-31 09:49:39 PM
The out of date Focus (2L, 140hp, 5 speed) gets 24mpg city and 35mpg highway). The Versa (1.8L, 107hp, 6 speed) gets 26/31, and it's the Focus that sucks? The Focus is also much more reliable according to Consumer Reports.

The 1990s called, they want their stereotypes back.
 
2008-10-31 09:54:22 PM
MacEnvy: The Versa is an adequate automobile for very little money. The kind that every automaker has overseas, but Detroit couldn't build if they had a decade and several billion for R&D.

google "Opel".

/they just chose wrong in the US in leaning towards SUVs
 
2008-10-31 09:56:30 PM
I should add that the 2009-spec Cobalt XFE (2.2L, 155 hp, 5 speed)gets 26 mpg city/37 mpg highway.

Yep, dumb American engineering.

/Canadian
//2008 Outback
///gives credit where credit is due
 
2008-10-31 10:01:10 PM
Over_Zealously_Apathetic: MacEnvy: The Versa is an adequate automobile for very little money. The kind that every automaker has overseas, but Detroit couldn't build if they had a decade and several billion for R&D.

google "Opel".

/they just chose wrong in the US in leaning towards SUVs


Try googling Saturn Astra first. Same car the Euros get as the Opel/Vauxhall Astra.
 
2008-10-31 10:09:42 PM
floor9: However, the Versa had a few critical flaws that made me paying a few grand more for the Honda Fit worthwhile.

I agree. The Fit is a good small car. It's the tiny king of the compacts.
 
2008-10-31 10:19:52 PM
Big_Thumb [TotalFark] Quote 2008-10-31 09:49:39 PM
The out of date Focus (2L, 140hp, 5 speed) gets 24mpg city and 35mpg highway). The Versa (1.8L, 107hp, 6 speed) gets 26/31, and it's the Focus that sucks? The Focus is also much more reliable according to Consumer Reports.

The 1990s called, they want their stereotypes back.


Oddly enough, I have a 2000 Focus. Has been a great car. 213,000 on the odo. Leadfoot means I never see the 35 but it is a great car. Also as the one who had the Festiva (also worth every penny), I can say that if you treat a car well, it will treat you similarly.
 
2008-10-31 10:29:39 PM
From the article: As you might expect, Nissan has decontented the Versa somewhat to be able to hit that magical four-digit price tag..

What? Are we just making up words now? Or should I say are we just undisinventing words now?
 
2008-10-31 10:43:36 PM
I bought a Versa about a year and a half ago.

Before buying I found out how much my bank would loan me and used that as a baseline price point. Then I hit edmunds, the cartalk website, cars.com and just about everywhere else.

The Versa just seemed to fit all of my needs, had a comfy price point, responded well on the road and looked nice too. It also helped that I'm 6'4" and could fit comfortably in the back seat if need be.

/Only $11k left!
//Kind of wish I could trade down to the even cheaper model.
///I like my cars more when they've been paid off.
 
2008-10-31 10:47:08 PM
Yeah, sorry, 26/34 is not good for the size and especially what year it is.

My 1999 Eclipse gets 27/35, it just also burns around a quart of oil every two months/2,000 miles.

You would hope that mpg ratings would be improving at a much faster rate for compacts.
 
2008-10-31 10:55:35 PM
Funny. I was out-and-about with my wife this week and got behind a Versa at a stoplight. As the cars streamed by me while I languished behind the Versa picking up speed for 8 blocks (to 40) I commented to my wife to remind me never to buy one.
 
Xai
2008-10-31 10:55:51 PM
I think for that price you aren't going to do any better.

Sure you can get a better mpg out of a more sophisticated engine, but since when have americans cared much about mpg.

The fact of the matter is that there are 2 things that americans care about when buying a car. The price and the size.

This will appeal to anyone who isn't looking to buy a big engine, and that is a very large group of consumers.
 
2008-10-31 11:00:30 PM
glad to hear I am not the only one that thought the fuel economy was not that great for what it is....
 
2008-10-31 11:03:50 PM
Big_Thumb: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: MacEnvy: The Versa is an adequate automobile for very little money. The kind that every automaker has overseas, but Detroit couldn't build if they had a decade and several billion for R&D.

google "Opel".

/they just chose wrong in the US in leaning towards SUVs

Try googling Saturn Astra first. Same car the Euros get as the Opel/Vauxhall Astra.


Those cars (Opel, Vauxhall, Holden, etc) didn't come out of Detroit. The profits might be absorbed by Detroit, but they're British/Aussie cars.
 
2008-10-31 11:04:50 PM
The wife's been looking for a used hatchback recently (probably Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe or Mazda3), but it seems like these Versas are the ones you can get just about anywhere. Not sure if that's a good thing. I remember a few years ago when I was looking for a replacement for myself, there were more Daewoos on the lots than I've ever seen on the road. Again, probably not a good sign.
 
2008-10-31 11:13:52 PM
MacEnvy: Big_Thumb: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: MacEnvy: The Versa is an adequate automobile for very little money. The kind that every automaker has overseas, but Detroit couldn't build if they had a decade and several billion for R&D.

google "Opel".

/they just chose wrong in the US in leaning towards SUVs

Try googling Saturn Astra first. Same car the Euros get as the Opel/Vauxhall Astra.

Those cars (Opel, Vauxhall, Holden, etc) didn't come out of Detroit. The profits might be absorbed by Detroit, but they're British/Aussie cars.


So True. The euro Ford Focus is SO much better than the US Focus. This is why you don't use consultants to conduct survey's, they are always wrong.
 
2008-10-31 11:18:14 PM
Is it just me or is there an inkling of a prefigurement of a portent of shenanigans with small car EPA fuel economy numbers?

I know the plural of "anecdote" is not "data"

- but -

The 2 little cars I have owned did substantially better with gas than the EPA numbers indicated. My one big car and pickup did about as advertised. I am looking at % above EPA estimates, not raw # of mpg, so I have the beginnings of a possible trend.(For the record - little cars were '90 VW Fox and '97 Jetta TDI. The Bigguns were an '87 Cadillac Brougham and '98 Nissan Frontier)

I'm thinking if the EPA says you get 34 mpg hwy, using post 2007 rules, you can go 60 mph with no a/c during cool months and break 40, maybe even 45 on good days.

I'm also predicting that if Kia and Yarises give you standard a/c, this will get it too.

Thoughts?
 
2008-10-31 11:18:55 PM
If you're complaining about the low EPA mpg ratings, remember that they changed their testing methodology a few years ago - and the new numbers are lower than they used to be, even when the car in question hasn't changed.

All the cars I've bought were on the older mpg rating system, and I've generally had as good or slightly better mileage than the sticker said. Based on my driving style, I'd probably get a fair bit better mileage than the sticker on a new car.

/'00 Saturn SL with 5-speed stick: EPA 29/39, my experience 31-33/38-42
//has a whopping 100 HP that can still bring the car to an electronically-limited 105 MPH
 
2008-10-31 11:36:33 PM
Fluffball: The Versa just seemed to fit all of my needs, had a comfy price point, responded well on the road and looked nice too. It also helped that I'm 6'4" and could fit comfortably in the back seat if need be.

You get a lot of back-seat action in one of those I'll wager.
 
2008-10-31 11:38:06 PM
The euro Ford Focus is SO much better than the US Focus.

And sooooooo much more expensive comparatively. In 2010 (should Ford survive, and I think they will...unlike Chrysler Link (new window)) Mercury will be rolling out a handful of euro-Fords - a brilliant idea (perhaps too late to save the brand). Pricier than the Ford line-up.
 
2008-10-31 11:39:55 PM
One of my friends and his girl are Nissan fans (every car they've ever owned has been a Nissan). She traded her Nissan 350z (and all its payments and insurance cost) for a Nissan Versa. It is a GIANT piece of shiat and has been in the shop countless times to the point where she's trying to get rid of it and find another Nissan she can afford.

This may, however, be an anomaly, as every manufacturer has a "lemon" every now and then.


/ Hearts his Fords, and the wife's Subaru
// Submission tag line is a damn LIE! :p
 
2008-10-31 11:44:25 PM
Fubegra: If you're complaining about the low EPA mpg ratings, remember that they changed their testing methodology a few years ago - and the new numbers are lower than they used to be, even when the car in question hasn't changed.

All the cars I've bought were on the older mpg rating system, and I've generally had as good or slightly better mileage than the sticker said. Based on my driving style, I'd probably get a fair bit better mileage than the sticker on a new car.

/'00 Saturn SL with 5-speed stick: EPA 29/39, my experience 31-33/38-42
//has a whopping 100 HP that can still bring the car to an electronically-limited 105 MPH


Not to mention using ethanol, which destroys your fuel economy.

Big_Thumb: The out of date Focus (2L, 140hp, 5 speed) gets 24mpg city and 35mpg highway). The Versa (1.8L, 107hp, 6 speed) gets 26/31, and it's the Focus that sucks? The Focus is also much more reliable according to Consumer Reports.

The 1990s called, they want their stereotypes back.


a million times this!!!
 
2008-11-01 12:22:05 AM
CheetahOlivetti
I'm pretty sure theres no way a Versa would be mated to a six speed, considering its just a little fourbanger...

Maybe you mean five speed? :P
 
2008-11-01 12:25:22 AM
never mind after looking i am wrong. i am now intrigued by this weak engine having six forward speeds.
 
GOB
2008-11-01 12:28:15 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: CheetahOlivetti: I have the hatchback, and I love it. It's a 6-speed with a moonroof. Until recently, I had to drive about 200 miles or more a week for work, and it's a great commuting car.

Assuming you live in Flatland, I could see using this as a daily commuter and a grocery hauler. I, however, have approx. 7,000 feet of elevation change in the middle of my commute.


Goddam Occam's Chainsaw is a badass fark name.

//sorry- nothing to add to the conversation
 
2008-11-01 01:11:11 AM
Is it really the cheapest? I thought you could get a Kia for 7999 or something like that...
 
2008-11-01 02:03:43 AM
107hp not enough for hilly terrain?

The Germans and Austrians drove all over the damn Alps in VW Beetles. In winter. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways. With square wheels because round ones hadn't been invented yet. etc.
 
2008-11-01 02:17:58 AM
Fubegra: If you're complaining about the low EPA mpg ratings, remember that they changed their testing methodology a few years ago - and the new numbers are lower than they used to be, even when the car in question hasn't changed.

Honestly, my Fit about ties with the Versa on the new EPA ratings. And in real-world driving, I see about 38-40mpg consistently. That's about 75% highway driving and 25% city, with a typical drive being under 15 miles. Plus I have a *lot* more zip in my engine. Not racing grade, but ample horsepower to accelerate in 5th and torque to pop off in 1st.

As has been mentioned, this is probably the best $10k car out there. But these days, with this market, most auto buyers looking to spend $10k will do a LOT better getting a year-old Civic / Corolla / Sentra.

And as an added footnote to my above post, 2008 Fits with higher mileage than mine are selling for around original MSRP locally. Not just listing; they're SELLING for those prices. The combination of demand for fuel efficient cars + Honda's reputation is keeping the prices artificially high. I'm seriously considering selling mine off at $16k and buying a beater at auction to cut out my car payment. Since my new job is only 5 miles away now ...
 
2008-11-01 03:12:51 AM
I don't think you can get a year old honda civic for 10,000. I know people who drive civics love them and all, and I'm sure they are great cars, but I think they are overpriced. I've driven plenty of cars for a long time, and they have all been pretty reliable for over 150,000. Bonus: Never having a car payment, and never paying more than $75 per month for insurance.

/really miss my 92 Toyota Camry--over 40 mpg on the highway, had 203,000 miles...and it got FLOODED in my apartment's parking lot.
 
2008-11-01 04:09:02 AM
DemonEater: 107hp not enough for hilly terrain?

The Germans and Austrians drove all over the damn Alps in VW Beetles. In winter. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways. With square wheels because round ones hadn't been invented yet. etc.


Well yeah, but they were using metric horsepower, which is, like, {--------------- this much ---------------}
 
2008-11-01 07:21:58 AM
I bought an '08 Versa back in August with a 1.8 liter engine. A lot of vroom for a small car, but at the expense of gas mileage (I average 28 MPG, but it's still got less than 3k on it). Quite roomy though.

I like the Honda Fit, but you can't find one at less than MSRP and I got my Versa for about $1500 less.
 
2008-11-01 08:44:35 AM
And just what good would a Versa do me when I go to Lowe's for 500 lbs of soil, 250 lbs. of mulch, and 12' crown molding sections?

Oh, I guess it's not for me.
 
2008-11-01 09:00:35 AM
floor9: RobertBruce: 107 horsepower? There are driveways too steep for this car!

That was another thing I noticed - the Fit was far, far more responsive than the Versa. It's also a good bet that when I sell my Fit in 5 years, it will only have depreciated by 20-30% at most. Nissans don't fare so well. Better than Ford / GM / Chrysler by a wide margin, but seriously, anybody looking at this is probably better off with a new-used car.

It might not get out of its own way, but hey, welcome to the decline of the petroleum age. Where the first casualties are horsepower and torque.

People are right, Honda's the better bet.

www.autospectator.com
 
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