Wisconsin Governor Doyle has already said he will pledge Wisconsin's Electoral votes to Obama. No need to vote here, Doyle has decided for you. He also hopes to gain a seat on Obamas cabinet.

orrinbloquy: dagman: What attracted you to McCain or Obama?

Is that the best you can do? Really?

...
No. I tried to dumb it down based on your question.

thevexationman: That's the observation of Iranian-born commentator Amir Taheri, whose column in Tuesday's New York Post notes that many Arabs and other Muslims see Obama as "one of them."

Those tards believe all kinds of farked-up things.

whyerhead: What do you call 5000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

I was gonna say whale shiat.

dagman: orrinbloquy: dagman: What attracted you to McCain or Obama?

Boobies?

SpectroBoy: There is one way to prevent this crap...



We need a

You need a slump?

Obama wins. McSame loses.

/Florida doesn't even matter this time 'round
/but Clinton

rick_astley: Obama wins. McSame loses.

/Florida doesn't even matter this time 'round
/but Clinton

SQUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWK

/this is getting fun!

What begins?

filth: bad_ed: filth: orrinbloquy: filth: barr voter

What attracted you most to him, wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on a blowjob, or his eating whipped cream off a hooker afterwards?

What's not to love?

So: I know nothing about Barr. I am not really interested to be truthful - I think the LP fighting for the White House when they can't even field a decent congressional candidate is dumb.

What I would like to know from you is, and I base this on conversations I've had with other people in real life and on FARK; would you say he is more:

1. The crazy uncle that thinks federal taxation is so over the top evil that only an over the top solution will fix it OR

2. The guy with challenging, often Santa-like facial hair wearing a Cliff-Huxtable sweater OR

3. (The Icelander option) A guy with a airbrushed wolf t-shirt fetish OR

4. A bitter partisan wishing to pirate a ship of fools.

This is all in the interest of science, or something, to be sure.

It's a protest vote against McCain.

Very good then. Thank you.

quietwalker: According to both historical reports as well as current day (new window), voter fraud in lake county is so rampant and early/mail-in/etc registration so poorly regulated that it needed to be stopped (lacking the time to entirely re-do it).

I am sorry but your links provide information that directly contradicts your statement.

The first link lists 11 people. How many people are in that district? We are talking about some small fraction of 1%. Most of those charged were charged with voting in the wrong precinct. So they went to the wrong polling place. Couldn't that just be an honest mistake? My guess is that there were far fewer than 11 convictions resulting for all 11 people in this "rampant voter fraud".

The second link mentions "hundreds" of invalid registrations. Well first of all let us apply a little logic.

Invalid registrations =/= fraudulent registrations AND
Fraudulent registrations =/= voter fraud.

So even if the allegations are true there is no voter fraud involved. Given that ID is required for voters in this area. Having an invalid registration is a far cry from casting an invalid (or fraudulent) vote.

Next lets look at the meat of the article. "Hundreds" of invalid registrations, but out of how many total. The article also mentions problems with a "large portion of the 5,000" registrations from ACORN. But how many is a large portion. How much out of the total of "hundreds" does this "large portion" comprise?

It seems again that we are dealing with a small number of mistakes and/or a small number of workers trying to cheat their employer.

ACORN responds:

"LaSota and Hoagland said they instructed ACORN on how to legally register voters, but apparently the organization's canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid. They said ACORN organizers promised to fire workers who were cheating."

The article quotes a Republican speaking in very alarmist terms. But when you look closely at the numbers what you get is the following

1) So few actual fraudulent votes (11) that they could just be honest mistakes.
2) A small percentage of the total registrations have a problem
3) The problems seem to stem from a few bad employees, not from the employer. If the employer were to blame there would be many more problems. It makes no sense to take such risks for a very small number of registrations.
4) ACORN is cooperating fully to eliminate the problem registrations.

CONCLUSIONS:
This is not voter fraud, let alone "Rampant" voter fraud.
This is not even registration fraud.
This is Lake County Republican Chairman John Curley kicking up a fuss. He is asking for federal investigation. I would bet money the feds find nothing. Likely he is trying discredit ACORN and by association, Obama.

In short, Just politics, nothing to see here.

Came for either Vorlons or "there is a hole in your mind." Was disappointed on both counts. Not disappointed by the Olympic Goddesses link though.

thevexationman: While Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama "has tried to push his origins into the background, his 'Islamic roots' have won him a place in many Arabs' hearts."

The Greeks felt the same way about Dukakis.

MrMorden: Came for either Vorlons or "there is a hole in your mind." Was disappointed on both counts. Not disappointed by the Olympic Goddesses link though.

Hey, there's no Babylon 5 references here!

Take your 'associates' and go back to Za'ha'duhm!

TheBigJerk: He goes on about Property taxes (which aren't Federal, but hey) so I am guessing he has really valuable property that he doesn't make decent money off of due to incompetence

I once did a very thorough examination of my finances to find out exactly how much I paid in taxes. (Quicken really helps)

I was in the 30+ income tax bracket but with deductions I paid about 20%. Add in state income tax, property tax, Road tax, and make an honest estimate of sales tax.

Total was 35%. (I forgot about gasoline and phone tax)
So maybe as high as 37%.

Since then I have accumulated more deductions and moved to a state without income tax. So I have never paid that much since.

"5,000 Obama lawyers head to Florida. And so it begins"


We're gonna need a lot more men.

Even when either one of them wins, they won't be able to give the handouts they promised.
Vote against the presidents party in congress and senate.
Make them work together and we just might get what we need.
At the very least, we will keep them as honest as they can be.

2wolves: Both major parties are sending out herds of legal beagles. Are you surprised?

Not surprised, and I'm glad they are.

This election is way too important to leave in the hands of thieves and those who would do harm to this great country for their own personal profit.

/The more watchdogs the better
//Let's keep it fair

holmer:

Read a real history book! Democrats have done more to fix elections than the Republicans ever dreamt of. 1960 is a good pres. example, 2004 in Wash. state is a good gov. example.

2004 in Wash. state is a good example of an honest election.

Also a good example of how propaganda can be used to fool people like you.

Sam Reed the Republican Secretary of State in charge of certifying the election, publicly stated the election was fair and honest.

The loser (Republican Rossi) sued and made a big deal of all the votes found in the recount that favored his opponent, while ignoring all the votes found that favored him.

The press dutifully, and gleefully (the press loves controversy), reported all the accusations, spending little or no time pointing out that the number of errors found in the recount were few and leaned in both directions.

However, the most accurate count elected Rossi's opponent while the less accurate initial count elected Rossi.

Rossi claimed fraud, sued, and began his propaganda campaign

Rossi persuaded the US justice dept, to investigate. The Attorney General investigated and found no fraud.

He was then fired, for refusing to further investigate the innocent , as part of Lawyer-gate.

Voters' Rights

You are encouraged to check your voting status before Election Day. Check with your county election office to find out if you are listed as registered.

Go to the following website to find contact info for that office:
votesmart (new window)

If you find you have been wrongly dropped from the list of registered voters in your state, please do the following:

1.) Call or email Election Protection:

1-866-Our-Vote
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2.) Call or email your representatives:

At Project Vote Smart, you can enter your zipcode (upper left hand side of page) to find both your Senate and House representatives:
VoteSmart (new window)

Or go directly to the Senate and House sites.

Find your Senators by State in the upper right hand corner:
Senate (new window)

Find your House representative by zipcode in the upper left hand corner:
House of Representatives (new window)

3.) If your eligibility is contested at your polling place, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to request a provisional ballot.

See more on provisional ballots at Election Protection here:
Election Protection (new window)
or at the Help America Vote Act link below.

Web Resources for further information and advice on voting and voters' rights

Help America Vote Act of 2002
HAVA (new window)

"Provisional Voting Requirements.--If an individual declares that such individual is a registered voter in the jurisdiction in which the individual desires to vote and that the individual is eligible to vote in an election for Federal office, but the name of the individual does not appear on the official list of eligible voters for the polling place or an election official asserts that the individual is not eligible to vote, such individual shall be permitted to cast a provisional ballot as follows:" [see link]

Election Protection:
866 Our Vote (new window)

To find out very handy voting information for your state, including required I.D., go here:
866ourvote.org/state/ (new window)

"The Election Protection Hotline, administered by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, connects trained volunteers with voters in need, allowing us to successfully troubleshoot problems at the polls in real time.

"The nonpartisan Election Protection coalition was formed to ensure that all voters have an equal opportunity to participate in the political process.

"Through our state of the art hotlines: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (administered by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law) and 1-888-Ve-Y-Vota (administered by the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Education Fund), this website, and comprehensive voter protection field programs across the country, we provide Americans from coast to coast with comprehensive voter information and advice on how they can make sure their vote is counted."

The National Campaign for Fair Elections:
NCFE (new window)

"The National Campaign for Fair Elections is an Initiative of the Voting Rights Project of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

"The goal of the National Campaign is to foster a national movement committed to ensuring that all voters have an equal opportunity to cast a meaningful ballot. To that end, NCFFE leads Election Protection - the nation's largest non-partisan voter protection coalition including the Lawyers' Committee, the National Bar Association, the NAACP, and the People for the American Way Foundation. Through our hotline and a dedicated army of volunteers we help tens of thousands of voters access the polls and overcome the obstacles to the ballot box."

Petition against voter intimidation:
National Campaign for Fair Elections (new window)

Project Vote Smart:
Vote Smart (new window)

"Picture this: thousands of citizens (conservative and liberal alike) working together, spending endless hours researching the backgrounds and records of thousands of political candidates and elected officials to discover their voting records, campaign contributions, public statements, biographical data (including their work history) and evaluations of them generated by over 100 competing special interest groups. Every election these volunteers test each candidate's willingness to provide citizens with their positions on the issues they will most likely face if elected through the Political Courage Test."

PROTECT MY VOTE:
PMV (new window)

"U.S. born and naturalized citizens have the right to vote and have their votes count, but human or computer error and unfair actions may stop you from voting. ProtectMyVote.org helps you protect your right to vote. Our job to help prepare you before you go to vote to prevent problems and help you if something goes wrong. Here are things you can do to help make sure your vote counts...."

The Voter Suppression Wiki:
VSW (new window)

"This site is designed to be a hub of information and action around efforts to suppress votes in the 2008 U.S.This is not a partisan effort and is not being done on behalf of any candidates for office."

American Civil Liberties Union, Voting Rights Webpage:
ACLU (new window)

"Established in 1965, the ACLU Voting Rights Project has worked to protect the gains in political participation won by racial and language minorities since passage of the historic Voting Rights Act (VRA) that same year. Since its inception, the Voting Rights Project has aggressively and successfully challenged efforts that dilute minority voting strength or obstruct the ability of minority communities to elect candidates of their choice...."

Demos: Democracy Program
Demos (new window)

"Democracy reform in the United States has taken on a renewed, urgent focus as presidential, congressional and state elections become increasingly hard-fought and closely decided. From basic concerns about election procedures to fundamental questions about full and equal representation, political leaders and the American people are engaged in a national dialogue about the health of American democracy not seen in a generation or more."

Steal Back Your Vote
Journalist Greg Palast
Palast (new window)

"Download the Steal Back Your Vote! Investigative Comic Book - Available right now! The guide includes a warning from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and is sponsored by Voto Latino, Change to Win and Jesse Jackson Rainbow/PUSH Coalition."

Obama, Biden - Lawyers

McCain, Palin - Not Lawyers

feel better now?

cousin-merle: 139
cousin-merle: vonster: I'll shut up now.

That's a better idea than digging yourself into the same holes everyone else does. Democrats wouldn't need to send lawyers to all these states if Republicans were comfortable letting black people vote. You'd think they would have gotten over it after 139 years.

2008 - 1966 = 42

Forty-two years ago, as Dennis Miller once said before he went batcrap insane, "we were South Africa without the diamond mines."

Whizbang: WALL OF TEXT

Your copypasta is a little undercooked. It's supposed to be al dente, not crunchy.

Next time, use a link with witty text, because that's going to only get one response.

tl;dr

/can't wait till next wed
//Strongbad for President!

What_do_you_want_now: Whizbang: WALL OF TEXTYour copypasta is a little undercooked. It's supposed to be al dente, not crunchy.Next time, use a link with witty text, because that's going to only get one response.tl;dr

Thanks for the advice, Mister Account Created 2008-04-24 !

whizbang: What_do_you_want_now: Whizbang: WALL OF TEXTYour copypasta is a little undercooked. It's supposed to be al dente, not crunchy.Next time, use a link with witty text, because that's going to only get one response.tl;dr

Thanks for the advice, Mister!

You're welcome, son.

/sometimes, I love the DELETE key
//other days, it's a cruel mistress

Bucky Katt: Only 5,000?

Careful with that talk. If they hear you say that, then in 2012...

"It's over 9000!!!!"

Another image from the "Brooks Brothers Riot", mentioned upthread.

whizbang: Voters' Rights

Don't forget to also check out:

Election Defense Alliance:
Link

Video the Vote:
Link

Black Box Voting:
Link

RogerWeaver: whizbang: Voters' Rights

Don't forget to also check out:

Election Defense Alliance:
Link

Video the Vote:
Link

Black Box Voting:
Link

Hey look! It's not a wall of text! Yay! Someone on the internets is smart!

RogerWeaver: whizbang: Voters' Rights

Don't forget to also check out:

Election Defense Alliance, Video the Vote, Black Box Voting

For more information about potential election theft:

Democracy Now (new window)

The Brad Blog (new window)

Radical Reference Information (new window)

What_do_you_want_now: RogerWeaver: whizbang: Hey look! It's not a wall of text! Yay! Someone on the internets is smart!

Six-months-olds say the cutest things!

whizbang: What_do_you_want_now: RogerWeaver: whizbang: Hey look! It's not a wall of text! Yay! Someone on the internets is smart!

Six-months-olds say the cutest things!

Are you always this nice, or do you want to get into my pants?

/calm down, have a beer, it's friday for chrissakes!

If the republicans win, I guarantee the democrats will blame it on voter fraud/racism/"the man"/bush/anybody but themselves

moothemagiccow: if the polls are anything to go by, I wouldnt worry

i c weener: In fact, based on the polling its probably not even necessary to vote.

that's true, so the obama feaks can just stay home on Nov. 4th.
You can all go by the polling numbers.
Oh, and it's not in the bag. but stay home and don't vote anyway.

The first thing we do, lets kill all the lawyers.

TheShavingofOccam123: They should also be headed to Ohio and Pennsylvania.

I am afraid McCain will win due to cheating in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

I doubt either will win Florida because of cheating here, simply because they'll both be doing tons of it (and probably have already been doing tons of it, yay early voating!) and I doubt one can out cheat the other enough to make a difference.

/depressing isn't it?

Also on the lawyer hate, people don't hate lawyers because all lawyers are evil, they hate lawyers because the vast majority of personal injury lawyers are evil, and those are the only lawyers people see on TV.

DarkJohnson: Isn't November the start of Obamafest?

Don't worry, they won't be needed.

The scent of a massive movement of earth in the air.

No, it was just me... Had bad Mexican for lunch.

/I hate using icanhas to creat this, but it's q&d.

Lawyers, kill them.

Disclaimer: The above poster does not endorse or encourage in any way harming any person of any race, color or creed in any manner at all.

What_do_you_want_now: whizbang: What_do_you_want_now: RogerWeaver: whizbang: Hey look! It's not a wall of text! Yay! Someone on the internets is smart!

Six-months-olds say the cutest things!

Are you always this nice?

Did the big, bad wall of text scares hims?

stoppit: I can't wait to see the Boobies on Tuesday's "Obama wins" headline ... "This is bad news ... for Obama."

Actually it might be, when you consider all the wannabe Oswalds out there.

/Let's hope and pray not

I would actually vote for a democrate if they weren't so determined to turn this country into a UK-style nanny-state overloaded with social programs designed to keep people dependent on them and thus keep them in power. The libs have done more than any other party to keep the underprivileged down to try to keep themselves in power.

If you tell a lazy person they don't have to work to get ahead, that's just what they will do - nothing.

Show me a moderate democrat who is not a blatant socialist at heart and I would vote for him. It just amazes me how many people are willing to abandon every principle this country was built on for a pipe dream and a six-pack of lies.