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(Some Guy)   Student arrested and charged with felonies after alerting principal that an employee database wasn't secure   (timesunion.com ) divider line
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2008-10-25 08:59:15 PM  

LOGICAL_PSYCHO:

He not NOT tell those in charge, he sent an anonymous email taunting them saying he had it. They tracked him down from the email.
Just because you can do something(access a database) does not mean you should. Not sure if you understand the concept but it is illegal. I am understand you think they should give him a cookie and a job, but outside of your moms basement real world laws apply.


I have been "out of my mom's basement" for 26 years, thank you very much, and am probably older than you. What he did was "illegal" only because of people like yourself who are too stupid to put adequate safeguards on sensitive databases, and would rather have it illegal to access them rather than getting off your cheetos-eating lazy ass and fixing it. This is why I said many posts back that the law needs to be changed, as the laws regarding physical property do not apply in the same manner to ideas and information. It should not be a "crime" to access a database. Had he used the information in that database to commit criminal acts, like identity theft, embezzlement or stalking, then THOSE would be the crimes, not simply copying a bunch of numbers and letters.

Understand? or do I need to rewrite it in "numbskull" for you?
 
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2008-10-25 09:02:47 PM  
l.yimg.com
"He says he has the database!"
 
2008-10-25 09:10:14 PM  

rewind2846: I have been "out of my mom's basement" for 26 years, thank you very much, and am probably older than you. What he did was "illegal" only because of people like yourself who are too stupid to put adequate safeguards on sensitive databases, and would rather have it illegal to access them rather than getting off your cheetos-eating lazy ass and fixing it. This is why I said many posts back that the law needs to be changed, as the laws regarding physical property do not apply in the same manner to ideas and information. It should not be a "crime" to access a database. Had he used the information in that database to commit criminal acts, like identity theft, embezzlement or stalking, then THOSE would be the crimes, not simply copying a bunch of numbers and letters.

Understand? or do I need to rewrite it in "numbskull" for you?


Securing a database well is expensive and time consuming. Even if you manage to it's likely that someone with enough dedication would be able to get around your security. So your database isn't secure unless it's on a turned off computer, encrypted, in a vault, sealed in a hidden location, 100 feet underground and everyone involved with it is dead. Even then it's conceivable that someone can get access to it.

School network administrators are generally underpaid, overworked and underappreciated. You should probably be blaming the legislators for not providing enough funding to meet whatever requirements they set for the school's IT department to meet.
 
2008-10-25 09:14:09 PM  

BlackKaiser: Reading Comprehension Motherfarkers! Do your understand it!?


Im thinking that some of the more luddite-leaning posters on this board seem to be itching to show off their outrage and self-righteousness while running in a circle and flailing their hands in the air. "Hep! Hep! I been violomated! Hep, polieeece!" and all that. The kid did nothing with the information... this is all a face-saviing exercise for the adults, who want their authority to continue to be seen as impenetrable, and their intelligence unsurpassed. They have been shown to be neither, and it chapped their asses so badly that some punk kid showed them up they had to seek as much punishment for the poor bastard as possible.
 
2008-10-25 09:20:18 PM  

rewind2846: BlackKaiser: Reading Comprehension Motherfarkers! Do your understand it!?

Im thinking that some of the more luddite-leaning posters on this board seem to be itching to show off their outrage and self-righteousness while running in a circle and flailing their hands in the air. "Hep! Hep! I been violomated! Hep, polieeece!" and all that. The kid did nothing with the information... this is all a face-saviing exercise for the adults, who want their authority to continue to be seen as impenetrable, and their intelligence unsurpassed. They have been shown to be neither, and it chapped their asses so badly that some punk kid showed them up they had to seek as much punishment for the poor bastard as possible.


Both of TFAs did not say he had the data on his person or property. There was no evidence that he copied it or transfered it to anywhere. Until a follow up comes around showing that he in fact did copied or modify the data, I will reserve my judgment until that time.
 
2008-10-25 09:21:41 PM  

Rakishi: School network administrators are generally underpaid, overworked and underappreciated. You should probably be blaming the legislators for not providing enough funding to meet whatever requirements they set for the school's IT department to meet.



Believe me, I do blame underfunding... it's like that in my school district. The point I am trying to make is that this kid may actually have saved them money... suppose a real criminal and not some punk kid had gained access to the system... what would it have cost them then? They should use this incident to better their security, rather than make it a "federal case".
 
2008-10-25 09:22:00 PM  
No no no you stupid farkwits.

You put the kid that discovered this for you on the goddam payroll.

Now you have one less student and your database is still insecure.
 
2008-10-25 11:15:58 PM  

rewind2846: dave2198: rewind2846: The_Primal_Janitor: rewind2846: it is my responsibilty to secure my house from prying eyes, and not the responsibilty of those outside not to look in.

This kid didn't "look". He took. Stole. Swiped. Copied.

Then bragged.

And if I were outside your open and unblocked window on the public sidewalk with a digital camera taking pictures, am I "stealing"? "Swiping"? "Copying"? Or is it still your fault that you didn't close the damn blinds?

"Bragged"? Did he tell his friends? His family? other folks on the 'net? How in the hell is telling the Principal, Donald Flynt, the guy IN CHARGE, "bragging"? That's like going down to the police station and telling the desk sargeant about the bank robbery I just committed...


Your posts are so full of fail on this topic. I think Logical Psycho pretty much said it all, so I'm done here. See you in the next thread.
 
2008-10-26 01:09:23 AM  

Abox: The locked car analogy is valid. What if someone at work came up to you and said 'hey dude your car door was unlocked, here's some stuff I found in the backseat'.


Then I would say "thank you for giving my stuff back and altering me about the unlocked door."

It would make me go down to my car and look around REAL HARD to see if he took anything else, but i wouldn't have him arrested. Plus, I'd become vigilant (for a while) about locking my doors as i left my car.
 
2008-10-26 02:22:53 AM  

dave2198:
Your posts are so full of fail on this topic. I think Logical Psycho pretty much said it all, so I'm done here. See you in the next thread.


And I think both you and Psycho should get a room together - preferably one back in the 20th century. If you cannot see that the laws need to be changed on this topic, and that this kid should not be arrested or looking at some words on a computer screen, I would suggest you step away from that computer... too complicated for you.
 
2008-10-26 03:27:39 AM  
I think it has all to do with the kid's approach in informing the principal about the ease of access to a sensitive database.

If the kid had sent an email saying "Mrs. Poopypants, I only had to use my own password to get into this database and I think it needs to be fixed" then all would be well.

But, apparently, the kid decided to send an anonymous email saying "Look at what I have" or something to that effect.

And, THAT, ladies and gents, is where the lad veered wildly off into Illegal Land.
 
2008-10-26 05:30:58 AM  

otto the bull: Do you know who else used his genius in the wrong way?


Was it....HITLER??? Oh man, I really hope it'shiatler!

/well, was it?
 
2008-10-26 03:55:23 PM  
THIS IS HOW TO CREATE A CRIMINAL HACKER:

(1) Praise him for his computer genius.

(2) Be criminally negligent in setting up your computer system, leaving gaping security holes.

(3) Teach him that BEING A RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN AND DOING THE RIGHT THING will get him years in prison.
 
2008-10-26 06:41:57 PM  

Abox: The locked car analogy is valid. What if someone at work came up to you and said 'hey dude your car door was unlocked, here's some stuff I found in the backseat'.


This analogy is only valid if the stuff was left in the backseat and the driver is alerted. Do you understand, now?
 
2008-10-26 10:02:45 PM  
Something similar happened to me in middle school.

6th Grade...

Software was this stuff called "Foolproof" which was designed to protect students from deleting/editing secure files on school computers.

Thing is, the computers were all macs, so just hold down the ALT key (or something like that) while it's starting up, and it disables all extensions, which Foolproof needed to work. It was that easy to disable.

So one day I told this to our school's tech lady and she flipped out and took me to the assistant principal and gave me a stern-talking-to.

/agree with the unlocked car analogy
/agree that the principal overreacted and is a frickin moron
 
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