Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Pennsylvania's new anti-smoking law applies to people smoking in their own home if they are foster parents. Beating their foster child inside their home is still fine   (postgazette.com) divider line 78
    More: Interesting  
•       •       •

2517 clicks; posted to Main » on 20 Oct 2008 at 10:48 AM (6 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



78 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2008-10-20 10:51:21 AM  
With all the rules that go along with Fostering kids, I'm suprised that this one is new.
 
2008-10-20 10:51:27 AM  
Compromise: you can burn foster kids with cigarettes.
 
2008-10-20 10:51:34 AM  
"beating their foster child inside their home is still fine"

as it should be.
 
2008-10-20 10:51:36 AM  
Maybe smokers shouldn't be allowed to be foster parents, it's obvious they're incapable of making sound choices concerning their own health.
 
2008-10-20 10:51:37 AM  
"Beating their foster child inside?" Doesn't that take a while? Can't they just use the door?
 
2008-10-20 10:52:58 AM  
They're not screwing around with this one... they fined a bingo hall like $10,000 for letting people smoke a few months ago.
 
2008-10-20 10:53:31 AM  
Lucky for these kids that there is a glut of people waiting to be foster parents so disqualifying a bunch of them for being smokers shouldn't have any effect on these children's ability to find a nice loving home.
 
2008-10-20 10:53:44 AM  
next law is no alcohol allowed in your home, if you have kids.
 
2008-10-20 10:54:23 AM  
Government has made it into our homes, we are all farked! Only going to get worse, and when things get worse that means that they have CHANGED.
 
MFL
2008-10-20 10:55:12 AM  
bonesdilligaf
next law is no alcohol allowed in your home, if you have kids.

Or french fries or talk radio.
 
2008-10-20 10:55:17 AM  
Seriously. Nanny state.

/works at a bar
//ashtrays go out at 11pm
 
2008-10-20 10:55:58 AM  
Headso: Lucky for these kids that there is a glut of people waiting to be foster parents so disqualifying a bunch of them for being smokers shouldn't have any effect on these children's ability to find a nice loving home.

I think anything keeping kids away from foster parents tends to bring them closer to a loving home, at least in the relative sense.
 
2008-10-20 10:56:24 AM  
hachijuhachi: Maybe smokers shouldn't be allowed to be foster parents, it's obvious they're incapable of making sound choices concerning their own health.

5/10

I applaud your use of "their own health" and the subtle way of pulling people to your side, however in relation to the Fark headline you fall short on the whole "beating children" reference. I recommend next time you include a greater reference to the headline as well as the article and present your position in a less snarky and more informed manner.

Good day
 
2008-10-20 10:59:27 AM  
Goddamned stupid government. Ban cigarettes already and set up free programs to get smokers to quit. Oh wait, that would cost money AND take away the obscene amount of taxes we get off of them. People mowing their yards probably pollutes the air way more than a cigarette.

/seriously WTF, is it really all about money?
 
2008-10-20 10:59:48 AM  
But teaching the kids to smoke could be a good bonding experience.
 
2008-10-20 11:00:20 AM  
What_do_you_want_now: 5/10

I applaud your use of "their own health" and the subtle way of pulling people to your side, however in relation to the Fark headline you fall short on the whole "beating children" reference. I recommend next time you include a greater reference to the headline as well as the article and present your position in a less snarky and more informed manner.

Good day


See, the beating of foster children is comical, and used in the headline for only that purpose. With the smoking troll I can make myself seem much more serious. And I am.
 
2008-10-20 11:00:25 AM  
For some reason this headline reminds me of Twilight Eyes by Dean Koontz. Maybe that's just me.
 
2008-10-20 11:01:46 AM  
bonesdilligaf: next law is no alcohol allowed in your home, if you have kids.

Why stop at smoking? We shouldn't allow people with STDs to be foster parents, or parents at all, because their promiscuity is evidence of poor life choices. The same might go for people who have declared personal bankruptcy, who have drug convictions or DUIs, and hundreds of other pieces of evidence of poor choices.

There are a number of studies that actually debunk the health risk from secondhand smoke; some are available here: http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm
 
2008-10-20 11:02:46 AM  
bonesdilligaf: next law is no alcohol allowed in your home, if you have kids.

I agree, we need to teach that it's the devil rather than drinking responsibly to show how much a beer in the evening will destroy a family.
 
2008-10-20 11:03:46 AM  
rossocaere: There are a number of studies that actually debunk the health risk from secondhand smoke

If I lived with a smoker, I wouldn't be as concerned with second-hand smoke as much as I would be with all of my personal possessions smelling like shiat.
 
2008-10-20 11:04:42 AM  
hachijuhachi: What_do_you_want_now: 5/10

I applaud your use of "their own health" and the subtle way of pulling people to your side, however in relation to the Fark headline you fall short on the whole "beating children" reference. I recommend next time you include a greater reference to the headline as well as the article and present your position in a less snarky and more informed manner.

Good day

See, the beating of foster children is comical, and used in the headline for only that purpose. With the smoking troll I can make myself seem much more serious. And I am.


Then you advocate removal of children(not in foster care) because the parents smoke?

/believe that having the equipment doesn't qualify you to be a parent either
//Isn't and won't be a parent
///hates little kids, tolerates teens, and wants to strangle everyone else.
//coffee....I need more!
 
2008-10-20 11:04:43 AM  
benlonghair: For some reason this headline reminds me of Twilight Eyes by Dean Koontz. Maybe that's just me.

Reminds me of the The Bad Place

/My foster child has 3 testicles
 
2008-10-20 11:05:47 AM  
Headso: Lucky for these kids that there is a glut of people waiting to be foster parents so disqualifying a bunch of them for being smokers shouldn't have any effect on these children's ability to find a nice loving home.

I see what you did there. Nice.
 
2008-10-20 11:06:04 AM  
Isn't it illegal in California to smoke in your car if kids are in it?

Is it a bad parenting decision? Yes. Should it be illegal? No.
 
2008-10-20 11:06:14 AM  
hachijuhachi: rossocaere: There are a number of studies that actually debunk the health risk from secondhand smoke

If I lived with a smoker, I wouldn't be as concerned with second-hand smoke as much as I would be with all of my personal possessions smelling like shiat.


After growing up with a grandmother that loves cats but hates the cleanup work, cigarette smoke smells damn good.

/she wonders why I moved out
 
2008-10-20 11:07:59 AM  
What_do_you_want_now: Then you advocate removal of children(not in foster care) because the parents smoke?

/believe that having the equipment doesn't qualify you to be a parent either
//Isn't and won't be a parent
///hates little kids, tolerates teens, and wants to strangle everyone else.
//coffee....I need more!


I don't really know what I think. I think smoking is stupid, but I don't know if it should really count into the application of (foster) parenting. Can smokers make good parents? Sure. I was just trolling really. I've been in flamewars about smoking in other threads, and I thought this would be more of the same.

I do think there are too many kids. I think we'd agree on that.
 
2008-10-20 11:08:19 AM  
Barakku: Headso: Lucky for these kids that there is a glut of people waiting to be foster parents so disqualifying a bunch of them for being smokers shouldn't have any effect on these children's ability to find a nice loving home.

I think anything keeping kids away from foster parents tends to bring them closer to a loving home, at least in the relative sense.


I guess I was the exception to the rule.

I was adopted by my foster parents, who got me when I was 2 as a foster child, they adopted me when I was four. I don't know the complete details, but something that I recently found in my mother's house was a foster care document from the state of California that listed that I was picked up by the police prior to being placed in foster care. Obviously, my actual home life was some form of turmoil (level of turmoil, I don't know).

My adoptive parents treated me with all the love and kindness that any kid should have. They also both smoked (at least until 5th grade, when I convinced them to quit).

I know now that foster parents (and families) can sometimes be abusive situations for a child. I am not naive about this. But to say that if you smoke or have alcohol in your house means you are unfit to be a parent just smacks of elitism and an inability to use reason...
 
2008-10-20 11:08:39 AM  
rossocaere: There are a number of studies that actually debunk the health risk from secondhand smoke; some are available here: http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm

Do the health risks they debunk include the fact that it is smoke?
 
2008-10-20 11:09:01 AM  
Cheesus: After growing up with a grandmother that loves cats but hates the cleanup work, cigarette smoke smells damn good.

Wow. Sorry. I'm not saying cigarette smoke is the WORST smell, but it certainly is unpleasant.
 
2008-10-20 11:09:58 AM  
rossocaere: bonesdilligaf: next law is no alcohol allowed in your home, if you have kids.

Why stop at smoking? We shouldn't allow people with STDs to be foster parents, or parents at all, because their promiscuity is evidence of poor life choices. The same might go for people who have declared personal bankruptcy, who have drug convictions or DUIs, and hundreds of other pieces of evidence of poor choices.

There are a number of studies that actually debunk the health risk from secondhand smoke; some are available here: http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm




As much as I hate nanny state policies, I don't think I could argue against this one. The state essentially 'owns' foster children, and has final say over them in a foster care situation. Parens Patriae all the way here....

I didn't RTFA, but can't people just go outside and not smoke around the kids? All my smoker friends who have kids wouldn't think of smoking around them.

And I'm not sure I'd trust anything that debunks the risks of secondhand smoke, in closed environments anyhow. We know the smoke is dangerous, so why isn't it dangerous if you're not the one puffing?


/I support being able to smoke in bars and open-air public places.
 
2008-10-20 11:10:40 AM  
I quit smoking this month, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Not my decision; a punctured lung goes a long way in discouraging certain habits.
 
2008-10-20 11:11:52 AM  
Oh, please! My parents both smoked when I was growing up. My dad cracked the car window about half an inch. And I'm fine! My sib is fine! Jesus Christ!
 
2008-10-20 11:12:48 AM  
Beating?

I thought foster kids were all about the sex?
 
2008-10-20 11:13:55 AM  
Cheesus: hachijuhachi: rossocaere: There are a number of studies that actually debunk the health risk from secondhand smoke

If I lived with a smoker, I wouldn't be as concerned with second-hand smoke as much as I would be with all of my personal possessions smelling like shiat.

After growing up with a grandmother that loves cats but hates the cleanup work, cigarette smoke smells damn good.

/she wonders why I moved out


I farking hate cats, why on earth would you let an animal shiat in a box in your home? Nasty!

/slowly taking care of my roommates cat
 
2008-10-20 11:14:15 AM  
cr0sh: I guess I was the exception to the rule.

no, most kids placed in foster care go to loving guardians, Barakku was just being a douche...
 
2008-10-20 11:14:24 AM  
I Like Bread: I quit smoking this month, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Not my decision; a punctured lung goes a long way in discouraging certain habits.

Good luck. Sorry about your lung. Do those things heal?
 
2008-10-20 11:14:41 AM  
I live in PA and I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

As a non-smoking libertarian, I still think it should be up to the individual bar owner whether he/she wants to allow smoking in their bar.

That being said, it's really nice going home from a bar and not smelling like stale cigarette smoke. I realized how much I like that when I went to a bar where you can still smoke. I literally had to change my clothes on my way home, they smelled so bad.

So, I would choose to patronize non-smoking bars if the preference were there, but if you want to pollute your lungs, I think you should be able to do that.

We're losing our freedoms here, people. But because a lot of you don't care when it doesn't affect you (something you have to give up), you'll just let this stuff slide. What are you going to do when they take one of the things you like to do away? And why would you expect someone else to stand up for you or your rights if you haven't done the same for them?

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it right or wrong. A lot of this country has been financed because of tobacco, and now many are trying to get rid of it.

And I guess if you have foster kids, you should be allowed to beat them if you want .
 
2008-10-20 11:16:00 AM  
atheist1295: I didn't RTFA, but can't people just go outside and not smoke around the kids? All my smoker friends who have kids wouldn't think of smoking around them.

This. If I can make a rule about not smoking in my car, I can make the same rule about smoking around kids. But apparently sense is too much to ask from people.
 
2008-10-20 11:21:12 AM  
Does the clean air act require that women wipe from front to back. This should be on top of the list.
 
2008-10-20 11:21:17 AM  
 
2008-10-20 11:25:50 AM  
atheist1295: We know the smoke is dangerous, so why isn't it dangerous if you're not the one puffing?


I don't pretend to be an expert in the matter, I just find it interesting that a dissenting voice is hardly ever heard.

As for why secondhand smoke might not pose as great a risk, consider that cocaine is present in detectable levels in the air in metropolitan Rome. The concentration, however, isn't sufficient to have any adverse effects on health. I suspect that being around smoke under normal circumstances is no more dangerous than ingesting other minute quantities of toxins, such as radon, which is naturally occurring but generally benign unless your intake is above a certain level.
 
2008-10-20 11:29:35 AM  
Just one more victory in the war against the SCOURGE!!
 
2008-10-20 11:30:15 AM  
Shouldn't be limited to foster parents. Kids don't need to be exposed to all that crap.
 
2008-10-20 11:32:18 AM  
atheist1295: As much as I hate nanny state policies, I don't think I could argue against this one. The state essentially 'owns' foster children, and has final say over them in a foster care situation. Parens Patriae all the way here....

I hear what you're saying, but the foster care system in this country is pretty much FUBAR as it is - they have much bigger problems to worry about than whether a foster parent occasionally smokes a pack of Newports in his own home.

Besides, the only foster parents who will care enough to follow this new rule are the good foster parents - the ones who already have their child's best interests in mind. It won't do a damn thing to curb the abusive parents.
 
2008-10-20 11:35:44 AM  
Jon iz teh kewl: Just one more victory in the war against the SCOURGE!!

I'm sorry, World of Warcraft is one floor down...

....you know, in the basement?

/works with a 21y/o KID who's ONLY topic is WoW
//got stopped from beating him with a crowbar on this 4th day
///next time, use blowtorch
 
2008-10-20 11:36:56 AM  
This will be overturned on equal protection grounds, I would think: foster parents are no differently situated than biological parents or even non-parent housemates with regard to the end of the statute. Of course, that then invites PA to pass a law barring all smoking in a structure where children reside...

/hates smokers
//hates government intrusion into private lives even more
 
2008-10-20 11:37:23 AM  
What_do_you_want_now: Jon iz teh kewl: Just one more victory in the war against the SCOURGE!!

I'm sorry, World of Warcraft is one floor down...

....you know, in the basement?

/works with a 21y/o KID who's ONLY topic is WoW
//got stopped from beating him with a crowbar on this 4th day
///next time, use blowtorch


Wait, I thought the Scourge were those flying Zerg things from Starcraft that did kamikaze attacks on enemy ships?
 
2008-10-20 11:37:41 AM  
Shouldn't this be a law for all children? The parents obviously can't make sound decisions, so someone needs to make them for them.

I like to do my part by spitting on peoples cars at stop lights when I see a parent smoking with a child in the car.
 
2008-10-20 11:37:58 AM  
hachijuhachi: I Like Bread: I quit smoking this month, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Not my decision; a punctured lung goes a long way in discouraging certain habits.

Good luck. Sorry about your lung. Do those things heal?


Obviously it requires a trip to the hospital. Afterward, what you actually have to deal with is a pocket of air growing in your chest and possibly crushing your lung.
 
2008-10-20 11:39:22 AM  
Do people still smoke in their homes? I can't remember the last time I saw someone doing that (dingy college apartments don't count).
 
Displayed 50 of 78 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report