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2008-10-19 09:53:10 PM  
An example of an event that may only matter to fantasy players.
 
2008-10-19 10:18:34 PM  
I'm assuming that, like the goal line, the uprights extend in a theoretical line to infinity, right?

If so, then I don't see why it's not worth being reviewable. However, I admit that human error is PART of any game.
 
2008-10-19 10:33:28 PM  
Don't mind me, I'm in mourning for the rest of the season.

Sorry, Chiefs. I don't think we could have saved the game even if that had gone in. At least Croyle the Boy Wonder is out of Damon Huard's way.
 
2008-10-19 11:23:07 PM  
Damn, that guy must have a hell of a leg. A 49-yarder that crossed above the top of the uprights? Whoa.

The rule is stupid. No reason why that shouldn't be reviewable.
 
2008-10-20 12:44:33 AM  
Like it mattered to the score.
 
2008-10-20 12:50:24 AM  
Chefs suck. They should learn from the Raiders and buy off some officials.
 
2008-10-20 01:21:59 AM  
Broadcastdave: Chefs suck. They should learn from the Raiders and buy off some officials.

Because if there's one team that gets the benefit of the doubt with the refs, it's the Raiders.
 
2008-10-20 01:48:58 AM  
That's got to be one of the dumbest rules I've ever heard.

Is it just me, or are the refs really farking up spectacularly this year?
 
2008-10-20 04:58:56 AM  
Chariset: Don't mind me, I'm in mourning for the rest of the season.

Sorry, Chiefs. I don't think we could have saved the game even if that had gone in. At least Croyle the Boy Wonder is out of Damon Huard's way.


except it looks like huard is also hurt.

/fark the refs
 
2008-10-20 05:47:32 AM  
GAT_00: Like it mattered to the score.

A scoring change in the second quarter is very likely to change the outcome of the game, to some degree at least. Strategy is chosen based on the margin at that given time, and a closer game means kC would have run different plays from that point on, etc.
 
2008-10-20 06:01:51 AM  
Highroller48: I'm assuming that, like the goal line, the uprights extend in a theoretical line to infinity, right?

If so, then I don't see why it's not worth being reviewable. However, I admit that human error is PART of any game.


Because there isn't a camera directly under the upright to determine whether the ball was to the inside or outside of the upright. Any "review" wouldn't give the officials any better determination because it would have problems with frame of reference. There *is*, however, an official standing right there to make that designation. He said it was outside of the pole.
 
2008-10-20 07:12:21 AM  
I still don't understand how you can have reviews and NOT have cameras at key locations like the goal lines or foul poles and sidelines. And I mean every sport too, not just football.
 
2008-10-20 07:16:02 AM  
ju66l3r: Highroller48: I'm assuming that, like the goal line, the uprights extend in a theoretical line to infinity, right?

If so, then I don't see why it's not worth being reviewable. However, I admit that human error is PART of any game.

Because there isn't a camera directly under the upright to determine whether the ball was to the inside or outside of the upright. Any "review" wouldn't give the officials any better determination because it would have problems with frame of reference. There *is*, however, an official standing right there to make that designation. He said it was outside of the pole.


Give every ref a pencil, hold pencil to goal post, ta da.

Low tech, easy solution, that can immediately be applied. If the ball is touching the pencil, you don't get the FG.
 
2008-10-20 07:18:08 AM  
bubbaprog: GAT_00: Like it mattered to the score.

A scoring change in the second quarter is very likely to change the outcome of the game, to some degree at least. Strategy is chosen based on the margin at that given time, and a closer game means kC would have run different plays from that point on, etc.


No it wouldn't of. The Chiefs are horrible, they had absolutely no shot at winning that game. They didn't even run a play longer than 2 yards till 2 minutes left in the first.
 
2008-10-20 07:51:18 AM  
If this is a play that would have been reviewed in overtime of the Super Bowl, review it in the regular season. No exceptions.
 
2008-10-20 08:07:36 AM  
Sillygoth: That's got to be one of the dumbest rules I've ever heard.

Is it just me, or are the refs really farking up spectacularly this year?


To be fair, the refs just enforce the rules, they don't make them.

Why don't we add a laser beam to the top of each goalpost pointing up, and some system that detects if the ball cross through the beams (ie, going off if the ball would have hit the "imaginary crossbar going up").
 
2008-10-20 08:38:17 AM  
Frow: bubbaprog: GAT_00: Like it mattered to the score.

A scoring change in the second quarter is very likely to change the outcome of the game, to some degree at least. Strategy is chosen based on the margin at that given time, and a closer game means kC would have run different plays from that point on, etc.

No it wouldn't of. The Chiefs are horrible, they had absolutely no shot at winning that game. They didn't even run a play longer than 2 yards till 2 minutes left in the first.


Bubbaprog is right that a scoring change could have had an effect on the way the Chiefs played the rest of that game. 10-3 at half has a different affect on morale than 10-0 and what you feel is a blatantly wrong call by the refs. However, all that means is they would have found a slightly different way to get their asses handed to them. No field goal is going to change the fact that they blow harder than a hooker in a hurricane.

/Lifelong Chiefs fan
//Denver was a fluke, we should have been 0-16 this year
 
2008-10-20 08:45:31 AM  
If you boot a field goal from 49 yards out and it clears the TOP of the goal posts, I think you give the motherfarker the benefit of the doubt that it was inside.
 
2008-10-20 09:16:36 AM  
Junzi Nicuzn: Denver was a fluke, we should have been 0-16 this year

Not from my chair. The Chiefs didn't win by dodging bullets; they played some really solid football in that game. For what it's worth, coming from a Bronco fan.

How much does the AFC West suck this season? The donks are 4-2, but probably shouldn't be. They've got significant weaknesses on defense (again), and the offense is inconsistent. The Chargers are "the favorite in the division," (according to the announcers working the Buffalo game yesterday) but they're below .500. The Raiders are just one sudden-death overtime better than the Chiefs, who are hapless bottom dwellers.

The only thing I hate worse than missing the playoffs altogether is one-and-done. I'm afraid that's where my Broncos are headed this season.
 
2008-10-20 09:18:28 AM  
IAmRight: An example of an event that may only matter to fantasy players.

I think the kicker would like it to matter
 
2008-10-20 09:24:41 AM  
DeathByGeekSquad: Give every ref a pencil, hold pencil to goal post, ta da.

Low tech, easy solution, that can immediately be applied. If the ball is touching the pencil, you don't get the FG.


There's this thing called depth-of-field that makes this suggestion entirely and undoubtedly retarded.

As ju66l3r said, the best view for this isn't on camera so there's no way after the fact to be sure if it did or didn't pass inside, hence it's not reviewable. It makes sense if you bother to think it through. Replay doesn't fix everything.
 
2008-10-20 09:44:43 AM  
Fuggin Bizzy: Junzi Nicuzn: Denver was a fluke, we should have been 0-16 this year

Not from my chair. The Chiefs didn't win by dodging bullets; they played some really solid football in that game. For what it's worth, coming from a Bronco fan.


After looking up fluke in the dictionary I realize I've been using it wrong all these years. I didn't think the Chiefs got lucky that game. I meant that game was a freakish inconsistency. One does not expect a hapless bottom dweller to play solid football. When I said fluke, I meant "I have no idea how that happened, but I'm reasonably sure it will not happen again."
 
2008-10-20 09:45:37 AM  
Would it not be possible for the networks to put an imaginary line running from the top of the goal posts to infinity? Much like they make the 1st down line?

Seems this would make reviews possible.
 
2008-10-20 09:53:06 AM  
Like 3 more points would have mattered in that ass-beating. Yet another opponent scores 30+ on the Chefs.
 
2008-10-20 10:03:30 AM  
Ok well I've watched the replay probably 100 times now and I'm still not 100% sure.

For the record, when above the uprights, the ball must pass between the vertical uprights or the inside of the uprights extended. So if even the nose of the football crosses through the imaginary line from the inside of the upright up to the sky the field goal is no good. Sure, if a ball like that is a little lower it probably hits the upright and rebounds through, but OVER the top is a different story.

This one looks like it goes right over the top of the upright which would definitely be no good, but what I'm still not 100% sure of is if the ball went over or next to the upright.

Why isn't there a camera on the end line?
 
2008-10-20 10:13:40 AM  
GAT_00: Like it mattered to the score.

Yeah the chiefs have been getting their ass kicked all year and its not like this FG would have made a difference.
 
2008-10-20 10:14:39 AM  
I dont understand why coaches (in any sport) dont pull their team off the field after something like this happens (especially on the road, so aren't farking over your own ticket-paying fans).


Once you dont give the networks a game, you are farking with the NFLs (or any sports) money, and thats the best way to get a message across.

Tell the leagues, either make people accountable for their actions, or explain yourself to the sponsors, networks, and ticket holders why they don't have a product today.
 
2008-10-20 10:30:04 AM  
Broadcastdave: Chefs suck. They should learn from the Raiders and buy off some officials.

They should pay them more, considering how many times they were called for offsides, illegal formation, and false starts against the Jets. They gave the Jets that game and the Jets wouldn't take it.
 
2008-10-20 10:33:43 AM  
Why on earth can you review a field goal that hits the crossbar which should be easier to figure out at first glance. However you cannot review a field goal that went over the uprights which is more difficult to get right the first time. That field goal should have been reviewed and if the rules dont allow it to be reviewed then the rules should be changed.

/Titans Fan
//6-0!!!
 
2008-10-20 10:34:34 AM  
LemSkroob: I dont understand why coaches (in any sport) dont pull their team off the field after something like this happens (especially on the road, so aren't farking over your own ticket-paying fans).


Once you dont give the networks a game, you are farking with the NFLs (or any sports) money, and thats the best way to get a message across.

Tell the leagues, either make people accountable for their actions, or explain yourself to the sponsors, networks, and ticket holders why they don't have a product today.


There's an easy explanation for that one-That coach and possibly the team would be fined all to hell by the NFL. The league wouldn't tolerate anything that potentially costs them money, nor anything resembling disobedience. That's why coaches and owners get fined for criticizing the officials. The NFL is at points a disturbing corporate machine that blurs the line between harsh dictatorship and sickening capitalism at its worst.
 
2008-10-20 10:50:40 AM  
Could we please put a tiny RFID transmitter in the ball to track its exact movements around the field? The location data could be fed into a computer that knows every detail of the field, and profide a verifiable backup to the refs in these situations.
 
2008-10-20 11:05:41 AM  
LemSkroob: I dont understand why coaches (in any sport) dont pull their team off the field after something like this happens (especially on the road, so aren't farking over your own ticket-paying fans).


Once you dont give the networks a game, you are farking with the NFLs (or any sports) money, and thats the best way to get a message across.

Tell the leagues, either make people accountable for their actions, or explain yourself to the sponsors, networks, and ticket holders why they don't have a product today.


Pissing off 68,000 drunks, forfeiting a game and potentially starting a riot is a bad idea.

Over time, the zebras are equal opportunity offenders.
 
2008-10-20 11:05:49 AM  
IAmRight: An example of an event that may only matter to fantasy players.

At the time of the play, I can see the Chiefs getting upset about it. Sure, in retrospect we know that they lost by 24 points and it almost certainly wouldn't have affected the dynamic of the game enough to affect the outcome. But in the first quarter of a game, those 3 points seem important.

It probably also matters to Nick Novak and his agent.
 
2008-10-20 12:13:27 PM  
Leopold Stotch: Could we please put a tiny RFID transmitter in the ball to track its exact movements around the field? The location data could be fed into a computer that knows every detail of the field, and profide a verifiable backup to the refs in these situations.

Bingo. Make it happen.
 
2008-10-20 12:28:30 PM  
With those 3 points, the Chief defense wouldn't have been trying to strip the ball, and instead would have been tackling. They would have held the Titans to less than 20 points, and the offense would have been confident enough to win the game.
The only fair thing to do is play the game over.
Except, we only have one quarterback left, so maybe that's not such a good idea.
 
2008-10-20 12:49:41 PM  
Actually the announcers did a decent job explaining why the FG attempt was no good. The football is clearly wider than the goalpost, and so even though it looked like it curled inward, a later angle showed that the far side of the ball would have been outside any laser beam or infinitely-extending goalpost.

At any rate, Titans are 6-0. Everyone else suck it.
 
2008-10-20 01:13:48 PM  
rumpelstiltskin: With those 3 points, the Chief defense wouldn't have been trying to strip the ball, and instead would have been tackling. They would have held the Titans to less than 20 points, and the offense would have been confident enough to win the game.
The only fair thing to do is play the game over.
Except, we only have one quarterback left, so maybe that's not such a good idea.


if we played that game over the titans could just rush albert hanesworth and javon kearse while dropping 9 into coverage every single play. and they'd probably end up killing thigpen anyway
 
2008-10-20 01:25:10 PM  
I say we suck it up the rest of the year and draft Sam Bradford or Chase Patton. We'll be good then.
 
2008-10-20 01:36:19 PM  
Broadcastdave: Chefs suck. They should learn from the Raiders and buy off some officials.

Which Raiders are you talking about? A high school team? College? Pop Warner?

I know you're not talking about the Oakland Raiders, because they've been of the sh*t end of bad calls more often than any other team this past decade.
 
2008-10-20 01:48:33 PM  
How is it that they have those very accurate and immediate out of bounds reviews for tennis and not for football? If you've ever seen them, there's animated replay of the ball striking the court, and within 30 seconds, the players both know the results of the review. I know the field's larger, but doesn't pro football have like 32 kajillion dollars more than pro tennis anyway?

/Maybe football doesn't want to borrow from tennis?
 
2008-10-20 02:16:09 PM  
Novak stomped around the sideline after hearing the ruling and holder Dustin Colquitt slammed his helmet to the ground.

Maybe the Chiefs are losing because they have children playing important parts on the team.
 
2008-10-20 03:16:59 PM  
Why not just play the whole damned game on a computer, just to make sure that there are no inconsistencies? Sheesh. Nerds.
 
2008-10-20 05:09:12 PM  
I'm not going to pay 50 bucks for a ticket and 22 to park when I can sit at home and get tanked on a Sunday. Hell I could even mow the lawn at the same time.

Rebuilding my ass, more like a slow demolishing...
 
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