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(Guardian)   "The 2008 US presidential election is perhaps unique in having transformed global politics before the result is even known"   (guardian.co.uk ) divider line 92
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2008-10-19 01:03:10 AM  
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2008-10-19 01:17:34 AM  
what's a Nubian?
 
2008-10-19 01:20:01 AM  
Shut the fark up!
 
2008-10-19 01:20:41 AM  
Good read.
 
2008-10-19 01:20:48 AM  

I hate Chevy: what's a Nubian?


Nubia (pronounced /ˈnjuːbiə/) is a region in Southern Egypt along the Nile and in what is now northern Sudan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia
 
2008-10-19 01:21:45 AM  

Bucky Katt: I hate Chevy: what's a Nubian?

Nubia (pronounced /ˈnjuːbiə/) is a region in Southern Egypt along the Nile and in what is now northern Sudan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia


blogs.warwick.ac.uk

/approves
 
2008-10-19 01:26:07 AM  
Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA
 
2008-10-19 01:28:15 AM  
I hate Chevy:

what's a Nubian?

Neither Anne nor ann is a newbie, man.
 
2008-10-19 01:29:23 AM  
For some reason this excludes the fact that Obama was dictating Bush's foreign policy as early as September. Strikes into Pakistan, timetables with Iraq, pulling out troops.. Bush was a prematurely lame duck.
 
2008-10-19 01:30:30 AM  

danduran: it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.


Along that note, my biggest hope for an Obama administration is that they succeed in bringing America back to being a respected nation among its peers. To me, Obama represents the kind of intellect and reasoning that we've been sorely lacking these last 8 years.
 
2008-10-19 01:32:11 AM  

danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA


Obviously.
 
2008-10-19 01:33:02 AM  

danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA


Well, the article is British, and it points out that "no Western European country has come so close to installing a non-white citizen to its highest office of state." But the main point dealt with the economy, the candidates' responses, and their international consequences. Thanks for playing.

/"Hurr! I comment in threads for articles I don't read!"
 
2008-10-19 01:37:06 AM  

Forty-Two: danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA

Well, the article is British, and it points out that "no Western European country has come so close to installing a non-white citizen to its highest office of state." But the main point dealt with the economy, the candidates' responses, and their international consequences. Thanks for playing.

/"Hurr! I comment in threads for articles I don't read!"


Hence why I threw 'women' in there, and remember, Western Europe is only a small part of the world.
 
2008-10-19 01:41:38 AM  

Roger Arseways: To me, Obama the Democratic party represents the kind of intellect and reasoning that we've been sorely lacking these last 8 years.


It's not just Obama. I respect him but it's clear that any Democrat in the White House would help the cause.
 
2008-10-19 01:41:45 AM  

danduran: Hence why I threw 'women' in there, and remember, Western Europe is only a small part of the world.


I'll wait for the day when Zimbabwe says "you know, maybe white people weren't so bad after all," and "elect" a white person.
 
2008-10-19 01:44:37 AM  

Forty-Two: Well, the article is British, and it points out that "no Western European country has come so close to installing a non-white citizen to its highest office of state." But the main point dealt with the economy, the candidates' responses, and their international consequences. Thanks for playing.


See any black guys at Obama's rally in Germany? No? That's because there are barely any. Germany is 91% white.

Britain is 85% white, with most minorities hitting below 1%. That's why they fight over red hair and religion.
 
2008-10-19 01:45:04 AM  
FTA:

"Restocking that cupboard - or rather, finding a way to plug the gaping hole in public finances without putting yet more burdens on taxpayers or ramping up unsustainable levels of national debt - is one of the biggest policy challenges on both sides of the Atlantic.

Mr Cameron is lucky that he can get away with simply describing the problem with a nifty metaphor..."


Not a nifty metaphor. You can't have it.
 
2008-10-19 01:46:42 AM  

I hate Chevy: what's a Nubian?


a native of Naboo.
 
2008-10-19 01:49:40 AM  

moothemagiccow: Forty-Two: Well, the article is British, and it points out that "no Western European country has come so close to installing a non-white citizen to its highest office of state." But the main point dealt with the economy, the candidates' responses, and their international consequences. Thanks for playing.


See any black guys at Obama's rally in Germany? No? That's because there are barely any. Germany is 91% white.

Britain is 85% white, with most minorities hitting below 1%. That's why they fight over red hair and religion.


You missed the point of the article, then, if your counter argument is this.
 
2008-10-19 01:52:03 AM  

danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA


Alot? Yes. Most? No, not by far.

Countries that have had a minority or female head of state (off the top of my head):

Russia (Empress Elizabeth)
UK (various)
Chile (Michelle Bachelet)
Venezuela (Hugo Chavez)
Pakistan (Benazir Bhutto)
India (Indira Gandhi)
Israel (Golda Meir)
Argentina (Cristina Kirchner)
Peru (Alberto Fujimori)
China (Wu Zetian)
Philippines (Gloria Arroyo)
Indonesia (Megawati Sukarnoputri)

Add to the list as they come, but I don't think it'll come out to anywhere near the 200 or so sovereign states of the world.
 
2008-10-19 01:56:50 AM  

danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA


What the fark are you talking about?

Women.... yes, although mostly appointed not elected.

But minorities?

No. I don't think there has been a single european country that has had a minority president or similar position. Certainly not elected.
 
2008-10-19 01:58:19 AM  

danduran: Hence why I threw 'women' in there, and remember, Western Europe is only a small part of the world.


You threw it in to make your retarded completely false argument kinda make sense by changing the question?
 
2008-10-19 02:01:30 AM  

Koichi:

Add to the list as they come, but I don't think it'll come out to anywhere near the 200 or so sovereign states of the world.


Not to mention most of thsoe were not elected so aren't really relevant...
 
2008-10-19 02:05:16 AM  

I hate Chevy: what's a Nubian?


Well... it's not quite Norwegian and not quite Arubian.
 
2008-10-19 02:07:24 AM  

Koichi: danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA

Alot? Yes. Most? No, not by far.

Countries that have had a minority or female head of state (off the top of my head):

Russia (Empress Elizabeth)
UK (various)
Chile (Michelle Bachelet)
Venezuela (Hugo Chavez)
Pakistan (Benazir Bhutto)
India (Indira Gandhi)
Israel (Golda Meir)
Argentina (Cristina Kirchner)
Peru (Alberto Fujimori)
China (Wu Zetian)
Philippines (Gloria Arroyo)
Indonesia (Megawati Sukarnoputri)

Add to the list as they come, but I don't think it'll come out to anywhere near the 200 or so sovereign states of the world.


In my opinion, for purposes of comparison with the Obama candidacy:

* Royalty should be stricken from the list for obvious reasons.

* Given less weight should be female members of powerful ethnic groups (whether the ethnic group is the numeric minority or numeric majority is less important than whether the ethnic group is the most powerful). IE: in my mind, a hypothetical 'Patricia Wendy Botha' is less important historically than a hypothetical 'Nelson Mandela'... but thats IMHO.

* The majority of the people on that list are female. Why?

* Members of ethnic groups which are historically suppressed for a major length of time (centuries) within a given government should be given more weight -- and that includes ethnic 'white' men in white countries.

* Members of non-white groups (excluding Jews, which is a whole nother subject, including the question of race and ethnicity as it pertains to ethnic Judaism versus religious Judaism) being chosen by white groups to lead a country should be given more weight.

* Finally, why is Hugo Chavez on that list? I am intrigued.
 
2008-10-19 02:10:55 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: * Finally, why is Hugo Chavez on that list? I am intrigued.


He is a minority. What's so hard to understand? It's pretty sad how many South American, African and Asians countries have had minority leaders before the US has.
 
2008-10-19 02:13:25 AM  
For some reason this excludes the fact that Obama was dictating Bush's foreign policy as early as September.

Or Obama is beating them to the press with things he knows are already in the works...
 
2008-10-19 02:13:43 AM  

Remove all Republicans: He is a minority. What's so hard to understand? It's pretty sad how many South American, African and Asians countries have had minority leaders before the US has.


How many?
 
2008-10-19 02:13:54 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Koichi: danduran: Most of the rest of the world has had minority/female leaders at some point - it's us changing you, America, not the other way around.

/DNRTFA

Alot? Yes. Most? No, not by far.

Countries that have had a minority or female head of state (off the top of my head):

Russia (Empress Elizabeth)
UK (various)
Chile (Michelle Bachelet)
Venezuela (Hugo Chavez)
Pakistan (Benazir Bhutto)
India (Indira Gandhi)
Israel (Golda Meir)
Argentina (Cristina Kirchner)
Peru (Alberto Fujimori)
China (Wu Zetian)
Philippines (Gloria Arroyo)
Indonesia (Megawati Sukarnoputri)

Add to the list as they come, but I don't think it'll come out to anywhere near the 200 or so sovereign states of the world.

In my opinion, for purposes of comparison with the Obama candidacy:

* Royalty should be stricken from the list for obvious reasons.

* Given less weight should be female members of powerful ethnic groups (whether the ethnic group is the numeric minority or numeric majority is less important than whether the ethnic group is the most powerful). IE: in my mind, a hypothetical 'Patricia Wendy Botha' is less important historically than a hypothetical 'Nelson Mandela'... but thats IMHO.

* The majority of the people on that list are female. Why?

* Members of ethnic groups which are historically suppressed for a major length of time (centuries) within a given government should be given more weight -- and that includes ethnic 'white' men in white countries.

* Members of non-white groups (excluding Jews, which is a whole nother subject, including the question of race and ethnicity as it pertains to ethnic Judaism versus religious Judaism) being chosen by white groups to lead a country should be given more weight.

* Finally, why is Hugo Chavez on that list? I am intrigued.


Hugo Chavez is a minority. He is heavily native.
 
2008-10-19 02:14:58 AM  

Capitalist1: For some reason this excludes the fact that Obama was dictating Bush's foreign policy as early as September.

Or Obama is beating them to the press with things he knows are already in the works...


Or you could go with the most likely theory. Wait, you wouldn't, would you?
 
2008-10-19 02:15:51 AM  

Remove all Republicans: He is a minority. What's so hard to understand?


Hugo Chavez is has a mixed indian/spanish ethnic background... which makes him like pretty much every other hispanic leader.
 
2008-10-19 02:17:30 AM  

Bill Frist: Remove all Republicans: He is a minority. What's so hard to understand?

Hugo Chavez is has a mixed indian/spanish ethnic background... which makes him like pretty much every other hispanic leader.


No, he has a heavy dose of native blood. They don't like the darker folk there.
 
2008-10-19 02:18:18 AM  

Bill Frist: Remove all Republicans: He is a minority. What's so hard to understand?

Hugo Chavez is has a mixed indian/spanish ethnic background... which makes him like pretty much every other hispanic leader.


That's a minority. How many Indian/Spanish ethnic people has the US put into positions of power? All we do is elect the same WASP. Venezuela has moved past that.
 
2008-10-19 02:20:06 AM  

Remove all Republicans: That's a minority.


No, not really.

Remove all Republicans: How many Indian/Spanish ethnic people has the US put into positions of power?


What percentage of the US is indian/spanish versus what percentage of Venezula?

Remove all Republicans: All we do is elect the same WASP.


Whatever. If Hugo counts as a minority then Kennedy (irish catholic) counts as a minority.
 
2008-10-19 02:21:27 AM  
In Venezuela strong native blood (darker people) means they are dirty.
 
2008-10-19 02:22:25 AM  

Bill Frist: Remove all Republicans: That's a minority.

No, not really. Remove all Republicans: How many Indian/Spanish ethnic people has the US put into positions of power?

What percentage of the US is indian/spanish versus what percentage of Venezula? Remove all Republicans: All we do is elect the same WASP.

Whatever. If Hugo counts as a minority then Kennedy (irish catholic) counts as a minority.


You are wrong. He is considered a minority because of his color. He has too much native blood.
 
2008-10-19 02:23:10 AM  

Sabyen91: In Venezuela strong native blood (darker people) means they are dirty.


This is true. But Chavez isn't ALL that dark, he is clearly mixed... and anyway, I still don't buy that as being much more impressive than Kennedy being elected.
 
2008-10-19 02:23:54 AM  

Bill Frist: Sabyen91: In Venezuela strong native blood (darker people) means they are dirty.

This is true. But Chavez isn't ALL that dark, he is clearly mixed... and anyway, I still don't buy that as being much more impressive than Kennedy being elected.


Bill, they DO think he is a minority.
 
2008-10-19 02:23:57 AM  

Bill Frist: What percentage of the US is indian/spanish versus what percentage of Venezula?


What does that matter? He is a minority. We don't elect those kinds of minorities in this country.
 
2008-10-19 02:24:23 AM  
Yeah, and if the Democrats get to do whatever they want because THIS guy -

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gets elected Democratic Senator #60, I think FNC would be nothing but repeated on-air suicides all of Election Night.
 
2008-10-19 02:24:48 AM  

Bill Frist: Sabyen91: In Venezuela strong native blood (darker people) means they are dirty.

This is true. But Chavez isn't ALL that dark, he is clearly mixed... and anyway, I still don't buy that as being much more impressive than Kennedy being elected.


He doesn't look too dark to me but they think he is too native.
 
2008-10-19 02:25:00 AM  

Remove all Republicans: We don't elect those kinds of minorities in this country.



Yes we do. Kennedy.

That was more impressive than Chavez.
 
2008-10-19 02:26:22 AM  

Sabyen91: He doesn't look too dark to me but they think he is too native.


Dude, I completely get what you are saying, but explaining that hispanic countries are farking insanely racist and obsessed with skin color doesn't exactly help the argument that they are somehow more progressive than the US because some mixed race guy who is slightly more dark than all the other mixed race venezualeans won an election.
 
2008-10-19 02:26:28 AM  

Bill Frist: Remove all Republicans: We don't elect those kinds of minorities in this country.


Yes we do. Kennedy.

That was more impressive than Chavez.


No
 
2008-10-19 02:27:24 AM  

Sabyen91: No


Um, yes.
 
2008-10-19 02:27:38 AM  

Bill Frist: Sabyen91: He doesn't look too dark to me but they think he is too native.

Dude, I completely get what you are saying, but explaining that hispanic countries are farking insanely racist and obsessed with skin color doesn't exactly help the argument that they are somehow more progressive than the US because some mixed race guy who is slightly more dark than all the other mixed race venezualeans won an election.


But you cannot discount it. He is a minority according to them. Kennedy was not a minority.
 
2008-10-19 02:28:30 AM  
Maybe you could compare Kennedy to Chavez but I am not sure why you would.
 
2008-10-19 02:29:00 AM  

Sabyen91: Kennedy was not a minority.


He was farking irish catholic!

It was HUGE farking deal at the time.
 
2008-10-19 02:30:15 AM  
Kennedy, in the 60s, was more of a minority than Chavez in the late 90s.

Today, in 2008, we don't think of Irish people or Catholics as minorities. But they sure as hell did back in the day.
 
2008-10-19 02:31:21 AM  

Bill Frist: Sabyen91: Kennedy was not a minority.

He was farking irish catholic!

It was HUGE farking deal at the time.


Maybe. I don't think it was as big a deal as Venezuela voting in a black dude (yes, I know, he is not very black but it is a different culture).
 
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