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(Chick)   "Bob, now I know that Allah doesn't really love me or even care about any Muslim. But Jesus, the Son of God, does"   (chick.com) divider line 291
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2003-01-02 06:18:40 PM
How in the world did Jack Chick trick a sweetie like this:
into posing for his webpage?
 
2003-01-02 06:19:39 PM
I dunno Priapulid, sometimes I wonder if life isn't some sort of surreal MMPOG and the object is to sort through the BS and see how you do at the end...

lol
 
2003-01-02 06:20:08 PM
It's a comic book, it must be true.

But I'm a skeptic, I'll wait until the X-Men crossover issue.
 
2003-01-02 06:26:09 PM
Why is it that everyone looks so goddamn happy in these christian comix?? WTF are they all so happy about?? Especially the ones from the biblical times. Dude! You're a farking Samaritan. Nobody likes you. Dumbass!! Look depressed!! Nothing pisses me off more than a happy maladjusted self-righteous religious fanatic. Get a clue!! God hates you. That is why (s)he made you so STUPID! That is why everybody makes fun of you. Jebus H. Christ!!
 
2003-01-02 06:28:05 PM
"http://www.chick.com/bc/2001/harrypotter.asp"

Jeffery, Age 11, cracks the Harry Potter conspiracy:
"It would be great to be a wizard because you could control situations and things like teachers."

Not only are the little devilkins from Hogwarts tempting our precious children down the path of darkness, but they've allied with various counter-culture cells to promote anti-authority lifestyles. If your child has encountered a Harry Potter "book" in the flesh, it is advised not to feed them any more corn-on-the-cob, as they will fashion pipes out of the unused bit to smoke their crack and subsequently "Get Jiggy Wit' It."
 
2003-01-02 06:28:14 PM
My girlfriend keeps trying to get me to read the Fountainhead. Scary, scary stuff. She says that really she just likes it for the "good writing." Whatever. I told her I would read it if she would read one of my favorites, The Brothers Karamazov. Haven't heard back from her on that one.

Objectivists are really frightening folk. Don't let anybody tell you different.
 
2003-01-02 06:29:14 PM
BigFatty, royalty-free stock photography loves you.
 
2003-01-02 06:29:47 PM
Mandrake
that is, the ad-hominem attack on all religion, not what you just said to BigFatty


Religion is based on faith. Faith is belief in something with out proof. That's irrational. Once you open the door to the irrational where does it stop?

People base their religious beliefs on what they feel is right. This is subjective revelation, a primacy of consciousness view of the world.

That's why there are so many religions. No one will replace all the others because all of them are irrationally arbitrary at their core.

That's why religions that bump up against each other end up in violence. You feel it's right so the other guy must be wrong. What would Jesus do?
 
2003-01-02 06:31:06 PM
from his bio page:
"He wanted to be a missionary himself, but his new wife wanted no part of missionary life. Her aunt had been a missionary in Africa. While pregnant, she was being carried across a river on a stretcher, when one of those carrying her lost a leg to an alligator."

Alligatos: 1 / Christians: 0

Am I going to hell for laughing at that? There is definately some divine irony at work here.
 
2003-01-02 06:32:33 PM
Alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax And what is your philosophy?
 
2003-01-02 06:32:36 PM
The same page also claims that Wicca has earned tax-exempt status from the IRS. I didn't know that a few unorganized groups of fat female Goths counted as a genuine organized religion. So either the IRS or Chick Publications is batfark looney. Hmm.
 
2003-01-02 06:34:38 PM
Priapulid
Alligatos: 1 / Christians: 0


Who said the guy carrying her was a christian?
 
2003-01-02 06:38:17 PM
Boy... even Chick doesn't like Christians! I am so confused!!

http://www.walkertown.com/chickthree.html

-Jesster
 
2003-01-02 06:41:46 PM
Brazil Damn, just what I need--someone taking me seriously.

I don't "have" a philosophy, really, or a religion. It changes day to day, as does everyone. To put it as tritely as I possibly can, living well from day to day is my philosophy. I borrow heavily from Christian tradition and a bit of eastern mysticism. It's a mish mash, I admit.

What I find particularly disgusting about objectivism as I have encountered is the arrogance and blatant self-worship that it seems to entail. That might not be at the heart of the philosophical system, but for whatever reason, that is what seems to crop up whenever I have been exposed to it in real life.

My gf, in addition to having a christening, also had a "humaning" ceremony. I read the script from it; it was riddled with objectivist jargon. Very, very unsettling.

Now that I think about it, I really hope she isn't reading this thread. I love you, sweetie!!! I'll see you tonight!!

/doghouse
 
2003-01-02 06:42:41 PM
Who said the guy carrying her was a christian?

Yeah probably just some poor african slave that has to carry around the fat pregnent white bread women.
 
2003-01-02 06:43:28 PM
Alto: How can you stay with a woman who'd step over your freshly dead corpse (God forbid) in order to snag the dollar you dropped while keeling over?
 
2003-01-02 06:49:05 PM
Chick tracts are thinly veiled hate group literature. For a counterpoint to christian tracts, check out The Noahide Movement, which used to be called Ex Christians For The Old Testament.

A little digging, and you will find that all religions believe they are the one true religion. Considering the crusades, and Northern Ireland today, Islam can't claim a monopoly on terrorism. There are terrorists in Christianity, too.
 
2003-01-02 06:51:12 PM
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, the Noahide Movement is an integral part of Judaism and is not in any way some sort of "Jews for Jesus"/"Rael" like group. It's possible for non Jews to follow the religion of Judaism without becoming a Jew.
 
2003-01-02 06:51:44 PM
BigFatty Since she has all my money anyway, the point is damn well moot, isn't it?

(thinks)

That was a joke, honeybuns. You know I love you!!
 
2003-01-02 06:53:36 PM
http://www.hamayim.org/article.asp?aid=35&cid=21

"Is B'nei Noach A Cult?" a critique by Rabbi Israel Chait.
 
2003-01-02 06:54:28 PM
Alto: I'd better stop egging you on. Damn.
 
2003-01-02 07:07:05 PM
Alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax
What I find particularly disgusting about objectivism as I have encountered is the arrogance and blatant self-worship that it seems to entail.


Hummmm... I am not arrogant but I am confident and self-worshiping... there is no doubt about that. But I'm still a damn nice guy.

At the heart of objectivism is a philosophy of enjoying life by embracing reality.
 
2003-01-02 07:07:06 PM
Jews for Jeesus-Man I hate those people. I mean don't get me wrong, i'm sure some of are nice but all the ones i've met are sneaky little bastards. They come into my fathers Synagogue dressed as if their Orthodox and try to recruit people. They usually don't last long though. The Rabbi can usually spot em right away, especially when the women go to sit with the men. If you're gonna try and infiltrate the least you could do is research it. Buncha asshats.
 
2003-01-02 07:11:44 PM
Brazil: One of the columnists in your list of favourite websites hates "nice people."
Wacha Gonna Do Now, Mr. I'm So Objective. Mr. Objecty McObjectionism. Hmm? HMM?
 
2003-01-02 07:17:28 PM
But is it not also irrational to close your mind to the possibility that there are things out there we don't understand? Hell, I don't quite understand what a quark is, or how they work, but I believe that they exist. I've never 'seen' one, either.
 
2003-01-02 07:18:49 PM
Which one is that BigFatty? And contrary to what you may think, Objectivism states explicitly that there is no such thing as perfection. That is a religious idea, one where god is perfect and all we lesser beings are scum.
 
2003-01-02 07:19:31 PM

01-02-03 06:51:12 PM BigFatty
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, the Noahide Movement is an integral part of Judaism and is not in any way some sort of "Jews for Jesus"/"Rael" like group. It's possible for non Jews to follow the religion of Judaism without becoming a Jew


Uhm. So you can follow Christ and not be a Christian?
 
2003-01-02 07:23:08 PM
I take it that you mean 'open minded' to be where we can never know anything so you can't rule out anything? I'm definitely not for that.

If you mean am I open to new knowledge... of course! It's all about understanding reality and pursing the truth.

As for a quark... there is a rigorous chain of facts to get there. I don't have to know them all to be confident that a specialist has done the work. Like the world being round or man having landed on the moon!
 
2003-01-02 07:23:26 PM
Brazil Not a flame, but a serious question: why be nice in the first place? I mean, objectivism does pretty much give you the moral freedom to be a total dick if that floats your boat, doesn't it? I'm not saying objectivists are total dicks. I'm asking, what is the point of even being nice under that system of philosophy?
 
2003-01-02 07:24:22 PM
Whether you're a militant atheist or a religious fundamentalist, it's all the same when you're dead. As long as "Blow people up." isnt one of your beliefs, who cares. I don't know why an Objectivist would give two shiats about what happens to the world after they die, but they gotta keep that God character out of things. Maybe once you become a level 67 Objectivist you learn that once you die, your "Body Rands" seek out the nearest dollar, where they'll live in bliss until they're taken out of circulation and destroyed.
 
2003-01-02 07:26:24 PM
...man having landed on the moon!...

Ha! Now I know you're full of shiat, because anybody who's anybody knows that the moon landing was a hoax. Riddle me this, smart man: if they really landed on the moon like they said, how come they didn't bring back any cheese!?

Yeah, uh huh. Thought so.
 
2003-01-02 07:26:50 PM
Pathetic. Now, if they could fit all that shiat onto a Bazooka comic I'd be impressed.
 
2003-01-02 07:27:58 PM
Being nice is about enjoying life. Which is more fun and relaxed? Yelling at everyone all the time or smiling to the person selling you coffee in the morning and saying 'Hi!'?

In the bigger picture it's because human security requires social relationships. That's why we are pack creatures and have been so successful (that and reason). We can perform division of labor and work together to accomplish more than working separately.

People want security so that translates to not feeling threatened. That means happy and smooth. Being nice. It's what's most productive and leads to a happier, longer, more productive life!

Doesn't require religion.
 
2003-01-02 07:29:29 PM
*shrugs* I suppose we shant reach an agreement, then. It's not that we'll never know something, but that nothing can be disproven. Eh.
I still must say I disagree with faith=bad. But, that's your opinion, and you have the right to state it.
But I also have the right to argue with you until my face is blue. ^_^
Explain to me, please, why faith is bad. And by faith, what do you mean? Faith in god? Faith in other people? Faith in love? Faith in life itself? Or is *all* of it bad? Should we not believe in *anything* and just curl up within ourselves, silencing our emotions and beliefs?
 
2003-01-02 07:29:40 PM
Brazil: I thoght it would be Objectively obvious that sarcasm was not just dripping, but flowing from that little post. My bad.

Zzeuss: Could you phrase your question in such a way as to include a reason for asking? Well, don't bother. I'll assume you're confused over the simple idea that you don't need to be a Jew in order to follow Judaism. Well, links were provided, certain key words were mentioned... ...and someone's done come out with a thang called a "search engine."
 
2003-01-02 07:31:07 PM
BigFatty
Maybe once you become a level 67 Objectivist you learn that once you die, your "Body Rands" seek out the nearest dollar, where they'll live in bliss until they're taken out of circulation and destroyed.


Heh heh! Now that was funny. My life is all I have. When I die I am no more. I accept that. The reason I care about anything beyond my death is because I have things of value in my relationships and what I've built. I don't want them destroyed.
 
2003-01-02 07:31:26 PM
Someone left a stack of those stupid chick tracts outside my favorite bar, it was the "This was your life" tract....
So I kept one because they're pretty funny....check this guy out, He's crapping himself on judgement day! He He...

 
2003-01-02 07:32:55 PM
Fark_Band
...man having landed on the moon!...

Ha! Now I know you're full of shiat, because anybody who's anybody knows that the moon landing was a hoax. Riddle me this, smart man: if they really landed on the moon like they said, how come they didn't bring back any cheese!?

Yeah, uh huh. Thought so.


Sigh... such common ignorance... the cheese was radioactive due to it's long exposure to solar radiation without benefit of an ozone layer.
 
2003-01-02 07:40:09 PM
Brazil: What are "things of value in (your) relationships and what (you've) built." Is that Randese for "I have kids."?
 
2003-01-02 07:45:04 PM
If not, then it's just material crap you cant use anymore. I've got a lot of material posessions that I like, but I can't fool myself into thinking they'll be some sort of monument/form of immortality if it turns out that humans don't have souls that go off to afterlives.
 
2003-01-02 07:45:29 PM
Felgraf
*shrugs* I suppose we shant reach an agreement, then. It's not that we'll never know something, but that nothing can be disproven. Eh.


The putting forth of an statement without any proof is an arbitrary assertion. One is not obligated to disprove an arbitrary assertion. I'm really a bit of moldy bread on the surface of a black hole in the Psion galaxy. I just have a good internet connection. (it's arbitrary and you don't have to try and disprove it.)

I still must say I disagree with faith=bad. But, that's your opinion, and you have the right to state it.
But I also have the right to argue with you until my face is blue. ^_^


And that's the fun in Fark eh! My main reason for posting on Fark is to exercise my philosophy on a number of subjects.

Explain to me, please, why faith is bad. And by faith, what do you mean? Faith in god? Faith in other people? Faith in love? Faith in life itself? Or is *all* of it bad? Should we not believe in *anything* and just curl up within ourselves, silencing our emotions and beliefs?

Faith requires belief in something without proof. That's irrational.. Once you've accepted the irrational as a core part of your life where do you draw the line? Most people (and I think you might fall in this category) draw the line on what feels right. That's a primacy of consciousness philosophy. One expects internal emotional revelation to dominate reality.

In the end what that means is you've accepted the philosophies that your been exposed to growing up. In the end you end up with a piecemeal self-contradictory philosophy.
 
2003-01-02 07:49:00 PM
BigFatty
Brazil: What are "things of value in (your) relationships and what (you've) built." Is that Randese for "I have kids."?


Friends. My country. Objectivism.
 
2003-01-02 07:49:16 PM
Perhaps it is self-contradictory, and it is most certainly taken from a variety of places. But, we're often contradictary ourselves. Fighting wars to bring peace, etc. And yes, my faith does have some emotional basis. I know that it's not perfect, and I alter it daily. Perhaps it is irrational, but I sometimes think reality is subjective. Eh.
*shrugs* I'm allowed to be irrational. I'm 17. :)
 
2003-01-02 07:55:41 PM
"Faith" to me seems to have a different definition to me than it does atheists. I believe in a God. I say to myself, "Why the fark not?", "Who cares?", "I only live once, why try to impress a small group of people by being an atheist?". I'm not a god myself, so although my mind works with certain assumptions that for practical reasons are considered to be 100% correct, I don't claim so. If you look outside and pick out a star, and assume there's a planet orbiting it, 2 + 2 might equal 37 on that planet for all I know. I don't feel a burning need to claim objective knowledge of anything, nor do I sit around and claim no knowledge of anything. So personally, I pick things to believe and I believe them. No big deal. Like I said, you only live once. Or not, if Buddhists, Hindus or Jainists among others happen to be correct.
 
2003-01-02 07:56:12 PM
Felgraf As I was saying before, Objectivism knows that perfection is not possible. It's a standard foisted on us by religions where God is the standard of perfect.

I had a number of flaws as 17 and have some of them still! ;) And it's never too early to start. I've been forming my philosophy consciously since I was about 5.

As for fighting wars to bring peace... there's nothing contradictory about that. It's like taking chemo to cure cancer. Self-defense is morally correct and does lead to peace. Non-self-defense leads to oppression and slavery.

And I can assure you that reality is not subjective! Try going without eating or breathing ever again. Reality will assert itself no matter what you subjectivly wish!
 
2003-01-02 07:58:55 PM
Logic schmogic. I gave up on logic after I read the Tao Teh Ching, and haven't looked back.

Not that logic is bad. It's just that anybody who sets up logic on some damn pedestal as the final arbiter of all things is living on just as much faith as any religious zealout.

Logic either rests on something, or swallows itself. Objectivism ignores that fact. Convenient.
 
2003-01-02 07:59:17 PM
*pukes*
 
2003-01-02 07:59:24 PM
If the people who attacked the guy in the comic were the fake Christians, and the real Christian was the one who helped the evil Muslim, then Christianity needs to recruit more people, 5 on Earth won't do.
 
2003-01-02 08:02:03 PM
"Reality" may not be "subjective", but we humans on a speck of dust on the ass end of the universe don't really need to believe what Rand does. Objectivism claiming that faith or religion is evil is just as stupid as a religion claiming that every other religion or viewpoint is evil. Objectivists sometimes do the things they're fighting against...
 
2003-01-02 08:05:31 PM
 
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