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(Washington Post)   Redskins excited about acquiring running back Shaun Alexander. In return, Alexander is excited about taking the ball, running two yards, and falling down   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2008-10-16 11:06:36 AM  
Can't wait for the Seahawks to embarrass him on November 23.
 
2008-10-16 11:16:06 AM  

PowerSlacker: Can't wait for the Seahawks to embarrass him on November 23.


They're going pants him during pre-game warm-ups? Because there isn't any other way he'll be embarrassed on that day if he's still a Redskin.
 
2008-10-16 11:16:08 AM  
if he's still on the team November 23rd.
 
2008-10-16 11:17:38 AM  
Alexander got paid, and Alexander didn't wanna get hit anymore. Can't say I blame him, I may have done the same thing. But he ain't no football player, not even close. Perhaps he should try his hand at soccer or something. No contact there.
 
2008-10-16 11:21:11 AM  
I don't care anything about pro football, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I am curious re: the slams on Alexander. Didn't he win the MVP, get on the cover of Madden (or some other game), etc.?

Seriously, just asking.
 
2008-10-16 11:26:15 AM  
I told all the idiots in Seattle that they'd get a good year or two out of his record breaking deal but it was ultimately a stupid move and they'd regret it in the end. I was right and the Seahawks reaallllly suck now.
 
2008-10-16 11:27:12 AM  
Wow, he must be a prototypical Cedric benson Runner now
 
2008-10-16 11:27:21 AM  
He's a good pick for a backup to replace Betts for 3-4 games. Our offensive line is blocking well, and all he really has to do is spell Portis from time to time so he's fresh later in the game. I worry about his pass-blocking, though.
 
2008-10-16 11:29:16 AM  

PowerSlacker: Can't wait for the Seahawks to embarrass him on November 23.


What the other guy said. How the hell are the seahawks gonna embarass anyone? Not that Alexander doesn't suck - he does suck. What remains to be seen is who sucks worse. Right now I'd say it's a tie. Alexander would have to rush for negative yards to outsuck the hawks, who will be fortunate to get five wins this year. Personally I'm thinking they'll get three.
 
2008-10-16 11:30:45 AM  
Do What Now Question Mark: I don't care anything about pro football, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I am curious re: the slams on Alexander. Didn't he win the MVP, get on the cover of Madden (or some other game), etc.?

Seriously, just asking.


He got his big payday, and then went into operation shutdown. He was paid to be the franchise player, but from the second he cashed the check he was no more valuable than a practice squad player.
 
2008-10-16 11:30:57 AM  

kronicfeld: I worry about his pass-blocking, though.


And fumbling.
 
2008-10-16 11:31:09 AM  

kronicfeld: I worry about his pass-blocking, though.


I wouldn't worry about it so much. I'd just make damn sure you don't count on him to do any. Who knows - now that he's been humbled maybe he'll give it some effort.
 
2008-10-16 11:31:43 AM  

Do What Now Question Mark: I don't care anything about pro football, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I am curious re: the slams on Alexander. Didn't he win the MVP, get on the cover of Madden (or some other game), etc.?


yeah, he won the MVP around 2004, 2005, then Seattle lost offensive line players in free agency, and he wasn't as effective after that. he broke his ankle or some shiat too and after that, it seemed like he didn't want to get hit anymore as Moses to Sandy Koufax said. you could probably go back to Peter King's 2006, 2007 columns about Alexander: "what is the deal with Shaun Alexander? How can a former NFL MVP get so soft overnight?"

I haven't followed Washington much at all this year (other than season-opening gag job v NYG, and then watching them squash my Cardinals in Week 4), but....I don't know why they're doing this.

Whatever. Daniel Snyder has such a sterling record with free agent pickups. Who am I to second guess?

*snicker*
 
2008-10-16 11:32:29 AM  

PowerSlacker: Can't wait for the Seahawks to embarrass him on November 23.


You're completely ridiculous. The Seahawks are a BAD football team, and you shouldn't be smack-talking anybody.

Just go back to your message boards and make 9/11 jokes before losing by 38 points.
 
2008-10-16 11:34:12 AM  

rickythepenguin: I haven't followed Washington much at all this year (other than season-opening gag job v NYG, and then watching them squash my Cardinals in Week 4), but....I don't know why they're doing this.

Whatever. Daniel Snyder has such a sterling record with free agent pickups. Who am I to second guess?


Because our back-up RB is out for 3-4 weeks, perhaps more if his rehab goes poorly, and our third-string back is undersized and more of a kick returner (one of the better KRs in the league, at that) than anything. It's not like we just picked the guy up to plug into the starting spot. He'll get 6 carries this weekend.
 
2008-10-16 11:35:05 AM  
He's healthy, he's in shape, and all we're asking him to do is carry the ball 5-8 times a game until Betts gets back. He's not gonna be a featured back. He'll be fine.
 
2008-10-16 11:35:31 AM  

rickythepenguin: yeah, he won the MVP around 2004, 2005, then Seattle lost offensive line players in free agency, and he wasn't as effective after that.


As soon as they let Steve Hutchinson go, he was never the same. It used to be a guaranteed 5 yards at least when they'd run left behind Hutchinson and Walter Jones.
 
2008-10-16 11:36:03 AM  
One of the two NFL Players (loosely defined) I ever saw play High School ball. The other?


Jared "hefty lefty" Lorenzon. Both were awesome... like 10 years ago.
 
2008-10-16 11:38:23 AM  

kronicfeld: Because our back-up RB is out for 3-4 weeks, perhaps more if his rehab goes poorly, and our third-string back is undersized and more of a kick returner (one of the better KRs in the league, at that) than anything. It's not like we just picked the guy up to plug into the starting spot. He'll get 6 carries this weekend.



didn't know that about your backup.

4-2, with this left:

Host CLE (should win)
@ DET (win)
Host PIT (hmmmm.....)
BYE
Host DAL (win)
@ SEA (win)
Host NYG (hmmm....)
@ BAL (should win)
@ CIN (win)
Host PHI (loss)
@ SF (win)

interesting schedule.
 
2008-10-16 11:40:35 AM  

rickythepenguin: interesting schedule.


Your team needs to keep it up and beat Philly and NYG. Kthx.
 
2008-10-16 11:40:39 AM  
I think it might be a great match. The Redskins arent going to ask him to be the featured back. He kust has to take some pressure off of Portis and he doesn't even need to last more than 4-6 games. If he does even more than that it's gravy for him and the Redskins. If they needed more than that it would be a big problem. As it is it might just be a perfect fit at the right time.
 
2008-10-16 11:41:48 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: As soon as they let Steve Hutchinson go, he was never the same. It used to be a guaranteed 5 yards at least when they'd run left behind Hutchinson and Walter Jones.



my kid, he's a huge Seattle guy, and he was pissed when they let Hutch go. Wasn't that some kind of weird gamesmanship between the Hawks and the Vikings in Hutch's free agency? Or jones maybe? There was some kind of skulduggery there.

but yeah, he said Alexander's numbers would suffer. proven right.

i remember one game around 04, 05, we had really good seats (sun devil stadium, nto hard to do) and Shaunnie, man, that guy was a freaking BEAST. Could not be tackled. A bowling ball. It was bad for me as a Cards fan, but as a football fan, it was pretty cool. He was blowing suckas UP. a 220lb bowling ball.
 
2008-10-16 11:44:17 AM  

kronicfeld: Your team needs to keep it up and beat Philly and NYG. Kthx.



once again, Kurt Warner hasn't played a 16 game season since like, '99. At some point, Leinart will get a start. Can't help but wonder when.

these ain't your father's AZ Crudinals, either.
 
2008-10-16 11:45:41 AM  
they should dump him now and pick up tony hunt, just cut from the eagles. hunt is a betts-type power runner who didn't get a fair shot from andy reids's crowded backfield
 
2008-10-16 11:51:01 AM  

rickythepenguin: my kid, he's a huge Seattle guy, and he was pissed when they let Hutch go. Wasn't that some kind of weird gamesmanship between the Hawks and the Vikings in Hutch's free agency? Or jones maybe? There was some kind of skulduggery there.


It was pretty simple, really. They couldn't afford to pay big money to two guys on the left side of their offensive line. Since Jones plays left tackle, they decided to let Hutchinson go to free agency and keep Jones, who is one of the best LTs of all time.
 
2008-10-16 12:00:50 PM  

udeng01: PowerSlacker: Can't wait for the Seahawks to embarrass him on November 23.

They're going pants him during pre-game warm-ups? Because there isn't any other way he'll be embarrassed on that day if he's still a Redskin.


Being a Redskin is embarrasment enough.

/*DUCKS!*
 
2008-10-16 12:00:53 PM  
He will have Big Sam blocking for him again.

/ROLL TIDE
 
2008-10-16 12:02:25 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: It was pretty simple, really. They couldn't afford to pay big money to two guys on the left side of their offensive line. Since Jones plays left tackle, they decided to let Hutchinson go to free agency and keep Jones, who is one of the best LTs of all time.



no, there was some kind of gamesmanship there. The Vikes signed Hutch to an offer sheet, and then the 'chise said something about guaranteeing him the highest postition contract in the league, and that would have made the Seahawks overpay, so they backed out, or some shiat...there was some kind of armtwisting above and beyond the normal free agent pursuit process.

i could google it, but feh.
 
2008-10-16 12:05:31 PM  

rickythepenguin: i could google it, but feh.


couldn't resist: aforementioned contract skullduggery (new window)



It was determined this weekend that "special master" Stephen Burbank, the University of Pennsylvania law professor who serves as the final word in many key contractual disputes, has jurisdiction over a claim filed on Friday by the Seattle Seahawks about the seven-year contract Hutchinson signed with the Minnesota Vikings last Sunday.

At issue is a so-called "poison pill" clause that the Vikings included in the contract. It stipulates that Hutchinson must be the highest paid offensive lineman on his team after the first year of the contract and that, if he isn't, the entire contract becomes guaranteed. The provision is a difficult one for the Seahawks, who have the right to match the Minnesota offer, because offensive tackle Walter Jones is the team's highest paid lineman and would be even if Hutchinson were on the Seattle roster.

Less than 2 percent of NFL contracts are fully guaranteed and those are usually limited to quarterbacks or other players at skill positions. Having to guarantee Hutchinson's contract would break new ground.
 
2008-10-16 12:08:00 PM  
Best case scenario for Alexander is that he becomes a 3rd down back or a goaline back to help Clinton Portis, Portis has been playing too well to give away to many carries. I wouldnt mind seeing Alexander get some td's but im not sure he has the willingness to take the pounding hes going to get.
 
2008-10-16 12:14:11 PM  

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: i could google it, but feh.

couldn't resist: aforementioned contract skullduggery (new window)

It was determined this weekend that "special master" Stephen Burbank, the University of Pennsylvania law professor who serves as the final word in many key contractual disputes, has jurisdiction over a claim filed on Friday by the Seattle Seahawks about the seven-year contract Hutchinson signed with the Minnesota Vikings last Sunday.

At issue is a so-called "poison pill" clause that the Vikings included in the contract. It stipulates that Hutchinson must be the highest paid offensive lineman on his team after the first year of the contract and that, if he isn't, the entire contract becomes guaranteed. The provision is a difficult one for the Seahawks, who have the right to match the Minnesota offer, because offensive tackle Walter Jones is the team's highest paid lineman and would be even if Hutchinson were on the Seattle roster.

Less than 2 percent of NFL contracts are fully guaranteed and those are usually limited to quarterbacks or other players at skill positions. Having to guarantee Hutchinson's contract would break new ground.


I forgot the exact circumstances, but that was smart negotiating by the Vikings.
 
2008-10-16 12:17:45 PM  
Subby, LOL - Can't agree more. Terrible FF RB after his 2005 27 TD season. Ruined a FF season for me, kept rolling the dice thinking that he would to snap out of it. Whatever he had in 05' is gone baby gone.


/Headline made me consider a T-shirt
 
2008-10-16 12:27:11 PM  
As long as he knocks a couple seconds off the game clock I don't care how far he runs. He's only their to let the league leading rusher Clinton Portis catch his breath. Who knows, maybe he'll attract a little more attention from the defense than your average backup running back. He might not even have to gain yards to be an advantage.
 
2008-10-16 12:31:42 PM  

spacechicken170am: maybe he'll attract a little more attention from the defense than your average backup running back


A 31 year old guy that literally no team wanted at training camp who is known to be soft and signed for the minimum salary is gonna attract a little more attention? Uh, no, he won't. Maybe from the announcers. On the plus side, if he averages 3+ yards per carry, you'll know the Skin's line is kicking ass.
 
2008-10-16 12:34:42 PM  

JohnBigBootay: On the plus side, if he averages 3+ yards per carry, you'll know the Skin's line is kicking ass.


If Jansen is in the game, they can run off either edge. If Heyer is at RT, they can run left behind Samuels. Don't look for them to run up the middle against Cleveland.
 
2008-10-16 12:35:54 PM  

spacechicken170am: As long as he knocks a couple seconds off the game clock I don't care how far he runs. He's only their to let the league leading rusher Clinton Portis catch his breath. Who knows, maybe he'll attract a little more attention from the defense than your average backup running back. He might not even have to gain yards to be an advantage.


I dont think he'll be getting much respect from defenses early on. He was a shell of himself when he stopped playing.
 
2008-10-16 12:39:25 PM  

lunchinlewis: If Jansen is in the game, they can run off either edge. If Heyer is at RT, they can run left behind Samuels. Don't look for them to run up the middle against Cleveland.


Agreed. I just don't know why people break the bank on running backs. The guys who can transcend the performance of a bad O-line come along very rarely and as a general rule, don't last long. Spend the money on your hogs and you can anoint whoeevr you want to be the next 12-1500 yd rusher. Seattle Screwed the pooch re-signing Alexander after '05 - they'd have been in the hunt every year if they'd have spent that money on the line instead.
 
2008-10-16 12:47:16 PM  

vinnydoz007: spacechicken170am: As long as he knocks a couple seconds off the game clock I don't care how far he runs. He's only their to let the league leading rusher Clinton Portis catch his breath. Who knows, maybe he'll attract a little more attention from the defense than your average backup running back. He might not even have to gain yards to be an advantage.

I dont think he'll be getting much respect from defenses early on. He was a shell of himself when he stopped playing.


I was implying attention, not respect. A lot of players would love to end up on a highlight reel lighting up a former MVP.
 
2008-10-16 12:58:58 PM  
Enough of the "big dan snyder move!" talk, give me a break. This is an absolute win-win.

1.) We acquire a proven RB that is healthy for VET MINIMUM and NO DRAFT PICKS
2.) We can cut him when Betts gets back healthy in a month if he isn't producing
3.) He is only going to be carrying the ball like 6-7 times per game, mostly on 3rd down anyway.
4.) He is familiar with Zorn's passing offense, went to college with Chris Samuels, and is friends with a bunch of guys on the team off the field.
5.) He isn't going to be a loudmouth in the lockerroom.

Portis is still by far our #1 back and will get 95% of the carries (oh and he also leads the league in rushing right now).

Why is this a bad move again?
 
2008-10-16 01:06:22 PM  

darkhorse581:
1.) We acquire a proven RB that is healthy for VET MINIMUM and NO DRAFT PICKS

Completely agree. If he sucks, they can cut him with no harm done. If he somehow rejuvenates himself, they got him extremely cheap.

5.) He isn't going to be a loudmouth in the lockerroom.

That remains to be seen. This is the guy who once publicly complained about the coaches 'stabbing him in the back' when the hawks scored a TD that clinched a playoff berth... but gave the ball to someone else instead of trying to get him a personal TD record. You can't un-say something like that. He's a 'me first' guy until he proves he's not. I'm sure he learned some humility when his phone didn't ring earlier this year and discovered that nobody much gives a shiat about 2005 anynore. Either way the skins really don't have much risk in the deal. Personally I'd have preferred a younger guy with less fumbling history, but that's me.

 
2008-10-16 01:48:47 PM  
I don't think the Seahawks have a chance, either, against the Skins. But the Skins WERE embarassed just last weekend...
 
2008-10-16 02:30:52 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: rickythepenguin: yeah, he won the MVP around 2004, 2005, then Seattle lost offensive line players in free agency, and he wasn't as effective after that.

As soon as they let Steve Hutchinson go, he was never the same. It used to be a guaranteed 5 yards at least when they'd run left behind Hutchinson and Walter Jones.


And now hutch is doing the same thing, making adrian peterson look like a god.
 
2008-10-16 04:01:10 PM  

puffy999: I don't think the Seahawks have a chance, either, against the Skins. But the Skins WERE embarassed just last weekend...


Eh, one play going the other way (if Kendall had batted that ball down) and it would've been 9-20 at least. The Skins were in FG range and driving when that fumble six happened, and the Rams put up no offense the entire game, save for a few minutes after the half where everyone appeared to be in shock that the Rams were winning.

They were gifted a 25 yard punt and settled for a FG, FFS.
 
2008-10-16 07:12:14 PM  
Man there's a bunch of people who don't know anything about the Seahawks, the Redskins, or Alexander.

a) Alexander was a good RB. He was just really injured and that probably played into why he was easily taken down in recent seasons. This year, according to the Redskins, he looked fantastic in workouts. It's a great move to pick up this guy as your backup RB for league minimum, especially now that he's healthy.

b) Hutchinson was not "let go" via free agency; the Seahawks used their franchise tag on another player and put the transition tag on Hutch, which enabled them to have the chance to match any offer.

c) whoever the arbiter was was clearly a f*cking asswipe, furthering reasons that Seattle fans should hate the NFL's cheating asses: "The Seahawks filed a grievance with the NFL league office, claiming that the poison pill was illegal under the collective bargaining agreement in that the Seahawks would have to pay significantly more than the Vikings despite matching with the exact same contract. An arbitrator ruled in favor of the Vikings, and the Seahawks were essentially unable to match and received no compensation."

So how is it fair that two teams could give the guy the same contract but one team only has to give the guy $16 million and the other team has to pay $49 million? That's not the spirit of the transition tag.

d) even in Alexander's MVP season, he actually got most of his yards running to the RIGHT side of the line, not behind Jones and Hutchinson (it could be said that runs were expected to go to the left, and therefore runs were cut back to the right, but to say that he gained all his yards behind those two is patently false)

wait a second:

rickythepenguin: It was determined this weekend that "special master" Stephen Burbank, the University of Pennsylvania law professor who serves as the final word in many key contractual disputes, has jurisdiction over a claim filed on Friday by the Seattle Seahawks about the seven-year contract Hutchinson signed with the Minnesota Vikings last Sunday.


GODDAMMIT ANOTHER F*CKING COCKSUCKER FROM PENNSYLVANIA
 
2008-10-17 10:48:10 AM  

puffy999: I don't think the Seahawks have a chance, either, against the Skins. But the Skins WERE embarassed just last weekend...


I don't remember the Redskins being embarrassed by the Rams. The Skins had better stats in every category except turnovers. The Redskins may have embarrassed themselves with a couple turnovers and a fluke fumble to lead to a Ram's TD, but they still played solid defense. I'm guessing you didn't watch the game.
 
2008-10-17 10:52:44 AM  

bigphilmd: I'm guessing you didn't watch the game.


He didn't say we were embarrassed by the Rams. He just said we were embarrassed. And we were.
 
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