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(Greenville Online)   2003's first flamewar: Federal court judge rules anti-abortion license plates are unconstitutional   (greenvilleonline.com ) divider line
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2003-01-01 11:53:56 AM  
Why? Why would they make these....?
 
2003-01-01 11:54:11 AM  
God Dammit. Im far too hungover for this!
 
2003-01-01 11:54:25 AM  
What's next? Anti-fetus-eating license plates?
 
2003-01-01 11:54:31 AM  
Happy f*cking New Year. Where're my asbestos longjohns?
 
2003-01-01 11:55:01 AM  
Not so certain about being unconstitutional, but it sure is a great way to get your car vandalized on a regular basis.
 
2003-01-01 11:57:35 AM  
Fetus! Abortion! Jesus!

...um...

Fetuses... and so forth...

Seems to me if you say its going to be a flamewar it has a lesser chance of happening. Sort of jinxes it.
 
2003-01-01 12:01:02 PM  
Why don't they register it as a suicide awareness/prevention plate instead? They can still get them, and use them for whatever they believe in...

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2003-01-01 12:02:03 PM  
Apparently everything you do is unconstitutional these days. I am pro-choice, but I even think that this is retarded. As long as they aren't forced on everyone, WHO CARES?!?!

Farking commies.
 
2003-01-01 12:02:04 PM  
I smell a photoshop contest....
 
2003-01-01 12:02:10 PM  
South Carolina "anti-abortion license plates" sounds like an ArkieBoy Photoshop entry to me.
 
2003-01-01 12:03:19 PM  
Pro-choice liberal farker.

That said, I can't think of any reason why it would be unconstitutional for someone to use an anti-abortion license plate. Infact, prohibiting it seems unconstitutional. Freedom of speech and such.
 
2003-01-01 12:04:27 PM  
yep, SooomeCallMeTim
 
2003-01-01 12:04:53 PM  
Although this is one of the very few issues with which I agree with the conservatives, this license plate obviously gives voice to one side of a political/religious issue. The judge was right. Otherwise, there'd have to be pro-choice license plates as well...something that wouldn't go over well in South Carolina (the state that gave us the Civil War). Here in Colorado, there are "Respect Life" vanity plates...I guess they got that one through in that it is a bit more vague. One could say that it means opposition to the death penalty.

Let the flames commence...
 
2003-01-01 12:06:49 PM  
As long as it's voluntary to purchase one, I say let the state sell it. If pro-abortionists want one of their own, they can always excercise their right to petition the government to issue it.
 
2003-01-01 12:06:51 PM  
No one who values their paint job would ever put one of these on their car...
 
2003-01-01 12:07:21 PM  
Awright, then they can just go back to using the confederate flag. That's still OK, right?
 
2003-01-01 12:07:56 PM  
It should only be unconstitutional if pro choice tags are not allowed. S.C. did not start the War of Northern Agression either by the way. Any farkers here from the Greeneville area?
 
2003-01-01 12:08:38 PM  
Instead of denying pro-lifers their right to express their beliefs via their license plates.
 
2003-01-01 12:10:17 PM  
I'm strongly pro-choice, but I've got to say the pro-lifers are pretty smart to have come up with "Choose Life". Fighting against "Choose Life" just makes you look like a nut.
 
2003-01-01 12:11:48 PM  
Why can't we just ban asshat judges...let's start with the 9th Appeals in SanFran.
 
2003-01-01 12:12:29 PM  
Rassleholic:

You don't have a right to express your beliefs via a state-issued "document" such as a license tag. It's perfectly OK to get a bumper sticker that expresses the same ideas, but not one officially sanctioned by the state. It's a good ruling.
 
2003-01-01 12:12:33 PM  
It's unconstitutional because it appears on a government place (a license plate).

If you want to announce how you feel about political issues, get a bumper sticker.
 
2003-01-01 12:14:55 PM  
Mikey65 The War of Northern Agression? Who was it who attacked the federal garrison? Oh wait.. it was the southerners. I'm not going to argue the Northern motives, white workers were mainly pissy about blacks taking their jobs, but the end result was certainly a good thing. In conclusion, shut your pie hole, you started the war AND you lost it. Not to mention it was 140 years ago.
 
2003-01-01 12:15:22 PM  
Thus quoth the article: The plates, which include the slogan "Choose Life," violate the First Amendment because they give anti-abortion advocates a forum to express their beliefs, while abortion rights supports have no license plate of their own, Senior U.S. District Judge William Bertelsman ruled last week.

So all we need is a pro-abortion plate. Suggestions?

"Choose Scrape"
 
2003-01-01 12:18:25 PM  
You don't have a right to express your beliefs via a state-issued "document"

Then why are vanity plates legal?
 
2003-01-01 12:18:40 PM  
"Pro-abortion" is misleading. That would imply that you either think no one should have an abortion or that everyone should have an abortion.
 
2003-01-01 12:19:39 PM  
Rassleholic: they are pretty careful about what vanity plates you can get. There are big disclaimers about what they can ssay.
 
2003-01-01 12:20:25 PM  
Doctechnical: "Choose Scrambled"
 
2003-01-01 12:20:28 PM  
Dotderf: I'm not going to argue the Northern motives, white workers were mainly pissy about blacks taking their jobs, but the end result was certainly a good thing.

Yeah, what's 700,000 or so dead when you're trying to make a point, eh?

Lord-a-mighty, I'd hate to hear what your idea of a "bad" thing would be...
 
2003-01-01 12:20:31 PM  
I don't think it violates anything, but it is a pretty stupid policy.

Instead of filing lawsuits, people should just do the obvious thing and steal the license plates and throw them away.
 
2003-01-01 12:23:56 PM  
Fer gawds sake.
 
2003-01-01 12:26:02 PM  
how is it unconstitutional?...

being PC is being being retarded
 
2003-01-01 12:26:25 PM  
<b> Does anyone else think that we should make abortion mandatory?</b>

Humankind has shown that it doens't have what it takes to sanely rule the earth and its resources. Time to cut down on the population---if only for five or ten years.
 
2003-01-01 12:26:38 PM  
01-01-03 12:18:25 PM Rassleholic
You don't have a right to express your beliefs via a state-issued "document"

Then why are vanity plates legal?


Because vanity plates generally do not express a political or religious statement. And even if they do, it is the expression of only a single person, not of the state itself. I know in Florida (which also has a Choose Life tag) that you are not allowed to have a vanity plate that could be construed as controversial or confrontational.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-01-01 12:27:29 PM  
Would the court change its mind if the legislature authorized a "kill babies" plate for "balance"?

The Supreme Court decided in the 1980s that vehicle owners could obscure messages on license plates. The obvious corrollary says that people can make up their own messages. If PP wants to say "choose choice" or whatever, they can print out pro-abortion messages and tape them to their plates.

Or they can just get a bumper sticker. That's a lot more visible. Who reads license plates?
 
2003-01-01 12:27:33 PM  
PC is unconstitutional, but saying PC should be banned is also unconstitutional...damnit
 
2003-01-01 12:28:20 PM  
but wait, thats constitutional!
 
2003-01-01 12:28:36 PM  
Pretty lame flamewar. Doesn't do the New Year justice. Anyone have any suggestions for a new topic? How about N. Korea saying that they will be a "We'll be army-based 'powerful nation.'", or Ohiio State spanking (or getting spanked by) Miami this friday?

C'mon folks, we can do better than this.
 
2003-01-01 12:30:10 PM  
All right. Let's comprimise. Replace it with a picture of George Michael wearing a shirt that says "Choose Life". Sort of an optical oxymoron.
 
2003-01-01 12:30:26 PM  
Flame wars on fark are out for 2003.
 
2003-01-01 12:33:24 PM  
The Supreme Court decided in the 1980s that vehicle owners could obscure messages on license plates.

Got a cite for that?
 
2003-01-01 12:33:44 PM  
If you can have anti-abortin tags, I can have some that are just as hateful. [insert racist comment here]. Or, such as Alter Boys Enjoy the 2nd Coming. There, feel nicely offended now?
Freedom of speach/expression doesn't mean you can say things and not expect to get punched in the mouth. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, etc.
 
2003-01-01 12:38:04 PM  
Doctechnical: What the hell are you talking about? My point is that the reason Northern laypeople opposed slavery was economic. Slaves were cheaper than wage labor, so the South employed slaves. With the death of slavery, they stopped employing blacks and employed whites for slave wages. Then the whole immigation boom came in and they had a larger labor pool and they had to pay them even less. In short, it's all about money. For the reason impaired, I'm not a socialist and I'm not saying slavery is a good thing. I was just trying to cover my bases while telling Mikey to shut his pie hole.
 
2003-01-01 12:38:53 PM  
Oversimplified headline. I had gone into this, thinking they'd been talking about anti-abortion vanity plates; ruling those unconstitutional would be a clear violation of free speech.

But that's not what this is about. This is about, apparently, special license plates with the message, apart from the actual plate number (Virginia has plates commemorating 9/11, which work on a similar principle).

Yep, these are unconstitutional.
 
2003-01-01 12:40:22 PM  
Cool Site http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/hp.html
 
2003-01-01 12:42:47 PM  
"Chose Choice" as an alternative plate. Why do the lawyers always have to fark it up by making it complicated - duh... other than they get to collect another fee.
 
2003-01-01 12:42:58 PM  
Ditderf,
The north started the war and if the South would have had half as many people we would have easily won.
 
2003-01-01 12:43:12 PM  

01-01-03 12:30:26 PM Farkeater
Flame wars on fark are out for 2003.


Apparently. Must be everyone is still hung over. I mean abortion AND civil war flames and still only 45 entries 7 links down?
 
2003-01-01 12:45:22 PM  
Choose Golf

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-01-01 12:47:16 PM  
I got the decade wrong. The case is Wooley v. Maynard, 430 U.S. 705 (1977).


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&v​ol=430&p age=705
 
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