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(Tacoma News Tribune)   High school introduces a new vocational training program for the special-ed kids that has them doing janitorial work   (thenewstribune.com) divider line 208
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2008-10-13 11:32:07 AM
Could they do bed service too? I would like them to fluff the pillows if they're Downy.
 
2008-10-13 11:36:52 AM
What did you want them to do? Write software?

Asinine would be having the special ed students fill out college applications. Putting them in Voc-Ed to get an actual marketable skill is brilliant.

Or, was subby thinking that 'bus driver' would be better?
 
2008-10-13 11:44:38 AM
How is this asinine? There is honor in any work done well. I suppose another option for these folks might be learning to campaign for the Republicans.

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2008-10-13 11:57:26 AM
This is a great idea, but it needs to be expanded well beyond just the special ed kids.

In one generation, college has gone from a noble goal and the pinnacle of one's eduction to just another expectation for most kids. 4+ years of virtually zero earnings, just to come out of school doing the same job for the same salary as someone who skipped college and got real-world training.

Employers realized this long ago, and the premium placed on a degree is shrinking in favor of hands-on experience. I say MORE vocational education in high schools, similar to what a lot of European programs offer. The economy (both macro and individual) would be better for it.
 
2008-10-13 12:02:21 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: Employers realized this long ago, and the premium placed on a degree is shrinking in favor of hands-on experience.

I dunno about that. My son did his first job fair and everyone was looking for degreed individuals.
 
2008-10-13 12:08:28 PM
CrankMyBlueSax: There is honor in any work done well.

Indeed. I worked at a video store when I was in high school and the special ed kids would come in once a week and go through the store and straighten up all the shelves, put stray movies in the right places, clean up around the store, etc etc.

It was simple work, but we were genuinely appreciative and it wasn't hard to see they felt good about doing something useful and helpful (and getting paid for it).
 
2008-10-13 12:08:50 PM
TFA brings up the parents sounding butthurt that they weren't consulted about this. While there is something to be said for full disclosure of what a school's curriculum entails, the parents sound extra-butthurt that the special-ed kids are getting the largest share of menial labor tasks.

Assuming the story is true, the school system did err significantly by not telling the parents what would be happening. That said, I don't see anything wrong with getting the special-ed kids getting used to doing the work that, sadly, the universe has already determined to be their lot in life.

Better that they learn the dignity of work and how to conduct themselves responsibly so as to increase their opportunities for independence in adulthood than to be coddled as super-special snowflakes who are insulated from the unfortunately harsh reality they face and end up poorly-socialized (and thereby poorly-employable).

"First learn walk, then learn fly." -- Mr. Miyagi
 
2008-10-13 12:09:47 PM
Asinine? Just the other day we were told they shouldn't be made fun of because they were valuable to society.
 
2008-10-13 12:53:01 PM
Will they be working for Ed Norton?
 
2008-10-13 12:59:10 PM
Sounds like a perfectly good idea to me...though I'd be it's really just the school trying to save a buck.
 
2008-10-13 01:09:26 PM
Ding, Fries Are Done 101
 
2008-10-13 01:30:45 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: NikolaiFarkoff: Employers realized this long ago, and the premium placed on a degree is shrinking in favor of hands-on experience.

I dunno about that. My son did his first job fair and everyone was looking for degreed individuals.


That depends heavily on the type of job fair it is. My point was that there are way too many people striving for a white-collar job because they've been fed the notion that it's the only way to earn a good living. The low-level people in most companies (HR) usually follow this script, too, because it makes things easy.

Many of the most brilliant people I've worked with over the last decade or so have been non-college people (or tech/trade school).
 
2008-10-13 01:42:48 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: That depends heavily on the type of job fair it is.

Engineering. He's an ME major.
 
2008-10-13 02:15:35 PM
BKITU: That said, I don't see anything wrong with getting the special-ed kids getting used to doing the work that, sadly, the universe has already determined to be their lot in life.

Better that they learn the dignity of work and how to conduct themselves responsibly...


Also, if they can survive being a janitor around high school kids, they can survive anything.
 
2008-10-13 02:31:37 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: NikolaiFarkoff: That depends heavily on the type of job fair it is.

Engineering. He's an ME major.


Ah, a baby boomer.
 
2008-10-13 02:47:17 PM
It's the best job their going to get.

/Ticket please.
 
2008-10-13 02:47:25 PM
Well, why the hell not???
 
2008-10-13 02:47:52 PM
Snarfangel: Ding, Fries Are Done 101

+1
 
2008-10-13 02:49:03 PM
Snarfangel: Dancin_In_Anson: NikolaiFarkoff: That depends heavily on the type of job fair it is.

Engineering. He's an ME major.

Ah, a baby boomer.


A "me" major sounds more like a boomer's grandkid. Granted, my generation was pretty selfish as well...but at least we played outside with Jarts and rode bikes
 
2008-10-13 02:49:35 PM
Just don't have the kid with tourette's do SHIAT
 
2008-10-13 02:49:51 PM
Roman Fyseek:
Or, was subby thinking that 'bus driver' would be better?


Drive 'em to the zoo?
 
2008-10-13 02:49:52 PM
DaScribbler: Snarfangel: Ding, Fries Are Done 101

+1


seconded
 
2008-10-13 02:50:29 PM
absoluteparanoia: Could they do bed service too? I would like them to fluff the pillows if they're Downy.

VERY CLEVER!

i got the joke. subtle. snarky. verry niiicccee
 
2008-10-13 02:51:54 PM
Drakin020: It's the best job their going to get.

/Ticket please.


You can't go to hell for telling the truth.
 
2008-10-13 02:51:59 PM
Barakku: Just don't have the kid with tourette's do SHIAT

I was thinking "auctioneer."
 
2008-10-13 02:52:06 PM
Agreed it's a great idea to teach these children skills that could help make them independent one day.

Agreed janitorial work is pretty on par for the capabilities of many of these special needs kids.

Asinine the school didn't give these parents notice of what specifically the kids would be doing. I'd be upset too if I hadn't been informed beforehand, because it makes it look like the school was trying to hide this and get free labor.
 
2008-10-13 02:52:23 PM
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2008-10-13 02:52:55 PM
Janitorial work, huh? Cleaning windows by licking them?

/good jorb, trigs
 
2008-10-13 02:53:09 PM
Roman Fyseek: Asinine would be having the special ed students fill out college applications. Putting them in Voc-Ed to get an actual marketable skill is brilliant.

THIS.
 
2008-10-13 02:53:11 PM
Since when is something from the late 80s "new"?
 
2008-10-13 02:53:14 PM
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So that's how one becomes a janitor.
 
2008-10-13 02:53:28 PM
Uh, this isn't new. It's existed in many small town schools for at least 15 years.
 
2008-10-13 02:53:30 PM
Well, I suppose it's better than electing them to Congress.
 
2008-10-13 02:53:44 PM
Snarfangel: Ah, a baby boomer.

HAHAHAHAHA!
 
2008-10-13 02:54:06 PM
"Those goofy bastards are about the best thing I've got going."
 
2008-10-13 02:55:07 PM
fred_chan: Roman Fyseek: Asinine would be having the special ed students fill out college applications. Putting them in Voc-Ed to get an actual marketable skill is brilliant.

THIS.


No kidding. Now these kids get there GED and get to claim work experience the day they walk out of that high school the last time. That's really the best thing that they can hope for when they have few other marketable skills, and even fewer prospects.
 
2008-10-13 02:55:24 PM
Don't know if anyone else picked up on this, but this kid's parents have been in litigation with the school district since 2005. Could this have clouded judgement on either side?
 
2008-10-13 02:55:46 PM
okami36: Roman Fyseek:
Or, was subby thinking that 'bus driver' would be better?

Drive 'em to the zoo?


It's a boring day, I've got nothing to do... 'cept...
 
2008-10-13 02:57:13 PM
I think Drew uses a similar program that trains Farks modmins.
 
2008-10-13 02:57:16 PM
absoluteparanoia: Could they do bed service too? I would like them to fluff the pillows if they're Downy.

I snorted
 
2008-10-13 02:57:42 PM
FeFiFoFark: okami36: Roman Fyseek:
Or, was subby thinking that 'bus driver' would be better?

Drive 'em to the zoo?

It's a boring day, I've got nothing to do... 'cept...


Get a load of retards and drive 'em to the zoo ...
 
2008-10-13 02:58:06 PM
This is nothing new. I went to elementery school in the early 80's. They were doing this then too. I used to feel sorry for thise kids that had to do menial shiat like clean the erasors, take out the trash and sweep/mop the gyn/cafeteria. And by clean the erasors I mean go out side and bang them together until all the dust quit flying out of them.

\sad
\\Look what Forrest Gump did when he was given a chance
\\\Parents need to fark the administration more often
 
2008-10-13 02:58:33 PM
They had the special ed kids doing this at my high school almost 10 years ago.
I thought it was a bit odd, but then again, there's not much else they can do.
 
2008-10-13 02:59:23 PM
they get experience and that helps them get a good job. Not everyone is going to be CEO.
 
2008-10-13 03:00:21 PM
I see no problem with this....this is news why?
 
2008-10-13 03:00:47 PM
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2008-10-13 03:00:55 PM
This seems like the kind of thing that they would be good at, would help them develop self esteem, and would help prepare them for the real world. You could get them to pull every weed at the school, and they would be happy doing it as long as they were made to feel like they were doing a good job (and as long as someone was making sure they weren't pulling the flowers too). The recycling thing is good too, they probably feel like they are getting a special privelege while the regular kids have to do stupid schoolwork.

This might not work for every special ed kid, but it is probably a good idea for alot of them. It is not like they fired all of their janitors (custodian, dick) and had these kids scrubbing toilets for free. These kids were learning about taking pride in their work, and learning about responsibility. They may not accomplish more in their lives than being a janitor, but if they can do a good job at it then it is a very honorable carreer.
 
2008-10-13 03:01:01 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: Employers realized this long ago, and the premium placed on a degree is shrinking in favor of hands-on experience.

Citation needed. Your butthole doesn't count either.

Also, a four year program is a pre-requisite to advanced education. Hands-on isn't.
 
2008-10-13 03:01:09 PM
NikolaiFarkoff: This is a great idea, but it needs to be expanded well beyond just the special ed kids.

In one generation, college has gone from a noble goal and the pinnacle of one's eduction to just another expectation for most kids. 4+ years of virtually zero earnings, just to come out of school doing the same job for the same salary as someone who skipped college and got real-world training.

Employers realized this long ago, and the premium placed on a degree is shrinking in favor of hands-on experience. I say MORE vocational education in high schools, similar to what a lot of European programs offer. The economy (both macro and individual) would be better for it.


lol wut? Almost all bueacratic institutions today, the state and virtually every large corporation, will use a bachelors degree as requirement simply to screen out the vast majority of aplicants. A Bachelors will also create a promotional ceiling in virtually every industry, including tech jobs. It doesn't even stop there, Masters Degrees and Doctorates will eventually be required too if you want to move up. So you might as well just get the basic requirment done right after high school.

Sure you might make a decent living running wiring through buildings, but who's going to get the managerial position making 150K? The guy with a BS in Business Management, thats who.
 
2008-10-13 03:01:13 PM
Thisbymaster: they get experience and that helps them get a good job. Not everyone is going to be CEO.

But some do get to be president:

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