I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

Dirtball: I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

this, and furthermore, I myself do it all the time. if a cop pulls me over for it on the few occasions where I do drive, I'll just make it like the 1980s drug PSA: "I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!"

Chicago: Telling You How to Run Your Life Since 1830

Crusader: Yep, because its not illegal when politicians do it, just us plebeians.

Made out of lead?

Oh wait..."plurbians"

The Aldermen comunity frowns on.....

/got nuthin

Sleeping Monkey: Driving while talking on your cellphone is selfish, stupid and irresponsible.

Most people are selfish, stupid and irresponsible so what's your point?

/hates pretty much everyone

downstairs: That's a little different. Police are generally trained to drife safely under less safe conditions.

Yea, just like how they receive extensive firearm training and are all top marksman under stress.

Before you know it, they will be saying that the police are well versed in the laws they are tasked to enforce.

Because politicans are above the laws they write....

....laws are for little people.

Speaking of little people:

"The personal, as everyone's so farking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here -- it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the difference -- the only difference in their eyes -- between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people, they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life, and that it's nothing personal. Well, fark them. Make it personal."

Isn't this the political backround/experience that gave us Obama? Is this where he learned how to do things?

Sounds like nothing will change in DC when he gets there.

/do as I say, not as I do

Tunney then called Town Hall District Cmdr. Gary Yamashiroya and demanded to know why officers in an "understaffed police district" with serious unsolved crimes were "assigned to pull people over solely for cell phone violations."

I think this part was left out of the article:


"Yamahiroya in turn demanded to know why aldermen keep passing stupid-ass ordinances that keep police from dealing with serious unresolved crimes."

Wow, how long do you lose your license for?

Maybe they're going softer because it's a harsh law?

downstairs: Dirtball: I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

That's a little different. Police are generally trained to drife safely under less safe conditions. As well, police are using cel phones more and more as their mode of communication on the job. They still have two-way radios, but I see cops using cel phones obviously discussing police-related business.

Its like when you see a cop speeding. They're allowed to because they're trained to.

Aldermen, on the other hand...

I am going to ask you a serious question. If the reason why they can speed while we are not is because they have special training, then by following your logic I should be able to get the special training, and if I happen to be pulled over and show a certificate or some such proof that I have obtained and passed said special training course I should be let go?

As I understood it, speeding is a safety hazard. Now I know it is not the lights and sirens that allow cops to speed because they will speed without the lights and/or sirens on. So that just leaves training. If that is the case I should be able to get the same training so I can speed too. As far as I know that isn't the case.

studies have shown that driving while on the phone is more dangerous than driving drunk, so maybe the laws should be just as harsh. lose your license, go to jail, no "open cell phones" allowed in your car, "cell phone road blocks"

WAY TO MAKE SENSE, LAWS

Firemarshalbill: Wow, how long do you lose your license for?



You don't lose your license per se-- in that you can't drive anymore -- but they hold it as bond to make sure you show up in court.

Wait, doesn't the part of the Constitution forbidding ex-post-facto laws mean that he won't be affected by the watering-down anyway?

/ah, hell, he won't be arrested to begin with.

Banana Republic

downstairs: Dirtball: I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

That's a little different. Police are generally trained to drife safely under less safe conditions. As well, police are using cel phones more and more as their mode of communication on the job. They still have two-way radios, but I see cops using cel phones obviously discussing police-related business.

Its like when you see a cop speeding. They're allowed to because they're trained to.

Aldermen, on the other hand...

In most locales this is complete bullshiat and I'm sure Chicago is no execption.

1. If it is so important for cops to use cells for work, they should be provided with hands free kits and therefore be in compliance with the law.

2. About the ONLY time a cop can break traffic laws are when they have their lights off. Lights off, they are required to obey the traffic laws like the rest of us. It does not matter how safe of a driver you are, it only takes one person to not notice that you are excessively speeding, or otherwise disobeying traffic rules, to pull out in front of you and cause an accident.

The quickest way to have citizens lose all respect for the law is let those charged with enforcing it to ignore it at will. Same thing goes for leadership. If you to earn the respect of those under you, you should be willing to be held to the same standards you require of them.

The only other option is fear and intimidation, which, is what cops really rely on today anyway. Fostering respect takes too much work.

I don't get what is so hard about talking on the phone and driving. I do it all the time and have no problem. Hell, I even post to Fark while driving across...

WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM ASSHOLE?!? GO AROUND ME!!!!

...as I was saying, I have no problem...

Just tell them you are a good friend of Obama. They'll let you go so fast your head will swim.

oh look, the people who are anti(insert presidential hopeful here) are coming out to try and find a way to turn every thread into a propaganda for their cause. I love your passion about a person you dont know, and didnt even recognize the name until they became a presidential hopeful. Can you even tell me who your district rep is without looking it up? Fark, can you even tell me what district you live in without looking it up? How about that reps voting record? but i bet you can tell me everything bill oreilly or hannity can vomit out about presidential hopeful can't you? bet you can recite word for word the same political vomit that limbaugh, orielly, hannity, or any other talking heads all seem to repeat from each other... You should vote, and if you don't vote then shut the fark up, if you are going to vote, please, shut the fark up and quit trying to sound smart by regurgitating what a talking head says thinking your going to get us to vote how you want. While im on my soapbox here, why dont you stop dedicating yourself to one side of the political spectrum. Stop being a lazy ass and start researching the people who want in that office. You might find a better candidate out there that GASP OMG might not be in the party your parents raised you to be in!

wingnut396: downstairs: Dirtball: I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

That's a little different. Police are generally trained to drife safely under less safe conditions. As well, police are using cel phones more and more as their mode of communication on the job. They still have two-way radios, but I see cops using cel phones obviously discussing police-related business.

Its like when you see a cop speeding. They're allowed to because they're trained to.

Aldermen, on the other hand...

In most locales this is complete bullshiat and I'm sure Chicago is no execption.

1. If it is so important for cops to use cells for work, they should be provided with hands free kits and therefore be in compliance with the law.

2. About the ONLY time a cop can break traffic laws are when they have their lights off. Lights off, they are required to obey the traffic laws like the rest of us. It does not matter how safe of a driver you are, it only takes one person to not notice that you are excessively speeding, or otherwise disobeying traffic rules, to pull out in front of you and cause an accident.

The quickest way to have citizens lose all respect for the law is let those charged with enforcing it to ignore it at will. Same thing goes for leadership. If you to earn the respect of those under you, you should be willing to be held to the same standards you require of them.

The only other option is fear and intimidation, which, is what cops really rely on today anyway. Fostering respect takes too much work.

I have no respect for the law, Im driving right now, really fast, on phone, smoking, using air card, drinking a beer.

downstairs: Dirtball: I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

That's a little different. Police are generally trained to drife safely under less safe conditions. As well, police are using cel phones more and more as their mode of communication on the job. They still have two-way radios, but I see cops using cel phones obviously discussing police-related business.

Its like when you see a cop speeding. They're allowed to because they're trained to.

Aldermen, on the other hand...

FAIL. Police are NOT allowed to speed unless responding under whatever their department calles a code 3 (lights and sirens) response. No, they are not, those of you who are going to foolishly argue they can. Well, no they can, but they are not allowed to by state law, and usually municipal law as well. But what are they going to do, give themselves a ticket?

I love it when people pretend that they did a lot of research on who they're going to vote for.

"After months of research, and carefully examining the facts, I've decide to vote for the candidate from the same party as the last candidate, in the last election and in every previous election. Thank you."

R.A.Danny: That's an insult to 13th-century London.

You win!

/also from Chicago.

Viss: Crusader: Yep, because its not illegal when politicians do it, just us plebeians.

Made out of lead?

Oh wait..."plurbians"

I think the word was actually 'pleb' for the lower class, though, given that lead was one of the densest materials used by the Romans, I would not be surprised if the words shared a root.

//My latin. It is rusty.

downstairs: Dirtball: I see CPD driving around in this city on their cell phones all the time. No-one pays attention to it.

That's a little different. Police are generally trained to drife safely under less safe conditions. As well, police are using cel phones more and more as their mode of communication on the job. They still have two-way radios, but I see cops using cel phones obviously discussing police-related business.

Its like when you see a cop speeding. They're allowed to because they're trained to.

Aldermen, on the other hand...

Cool. Then NASCAR drivers should never get speeding tickets.

I mean they're trained to drive fast, right?

DAT'S the Chicago way...

I just finished journalism school in Chicago, and when I was there I came across this map the Tribune put together of the wards and the aldermen that run them. It doesn't take long to realize from reading the bios that about half of them either a) replaced someone who was indicted for corruption or b) replaced a family member who held the same office.

I went to Chicago thinking the whole corruption thing was an exaggeration, and by the time I left I had lost faith in the whole political system there. To put it mildly.

Cell phones are one thing. Sweetheart deals on million-dollar construction projects and secret slush funds are another.

Oh, and the same assholes want to ban texting while walking now.

downstairs

newsletter please

From TFA:"I'm not going to get any more cell phone tickets,"

Boy, when he puts the fix in, it stays fixed! Must be sweet to have lifetime immunity.

WilEKyoT - Thanks for the ward map. I knew my alderman had political ambitions ... I just knew it when I met him that one time, and according to that map, he's planning on running for Illinois congress.

darian1919:

I am going to ask you a serious question. If the reason why they can speed while we are not is because they have special training, then by following your logic I should be able to get the special training, and if I happen to be pulled over and show a certificate or some such proof that I have obtained and passed said special training course I should be let go?

As I understood it, speeding is a safety hazard. Now I know it is not the lights and sirens that allow cops to speed because they will speed without the lights and/or sirens on. So that just leaves training. If that is the case I should be able to get the same training so I can speed too. As far as I know that isn't the case.

However, they can't give out certificates to allow everyone to speed. That would increase the amount of speeding vehicles, and rob police of their ability to control traffic.

There are certain vehicles that should be allowed to break traffic laws, such as police cars and ambulances. The reason for this should be obvious.

The police should be allowed to do whatever they want.

Fenixpark:

However, they can't give out certificates to allow everyone to speed. That would increase the amount of speeding vehicles, and rob police of their ability to control traffic.

There are certain vehicles that should be allowed to break traffic laws, such as police cars and ambulances. The reason for this should be obvious.

They certainly could. They could issue these certificates or what not to anyone who has passed the class and add provisions for expiration of these certificates to make sure that people are constantly up to date and their training is up to date.

Furthermore the cops have always had and will always have the ability to control traffic. They have lights and sirens and the ability to pull people over for what they deem driving faster than is safe. They have the ability to pull people over for reckless driving. The difference being that the conditions would dictate what was safe and what wasn't, not a sign.

As far as certain vehicles being able to break traffic laws, I agree. Yet, I also believe the best way to lead is by example. Everyone knows that if a cop has his lights on and he is doing 100 MPH down the highway, he is in a rush and there probably is a very important reason he is doing that so pull off to the side and get the hell out of his way. Yet if a cop is doing 90 MPH down the highway without the benefit of lights and/or sirens it isn't clear that he is doing this for work or because he is just restless on the highway. The first says that he is ignoring the law for reason and is trying to give people warning. The second says that he is ignoring the law, and he may or may not realize it.

From TFA:"I'm not going to get any more cell phone tickets"

He was so excited, he forgot the "BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!"

_{...and the evil hand-wringing, can't forget the evil hand-wringing....}

Tunney - related to the actress by the way