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2002-12-29 05:29:15 PM  
I'm eligible
 
2002-12-29 05:29:17 PM  
Wow, and I thought all jocks were huge hulking morons. Wait, that's football goons, not all jocks. Sorry for the confusion.
 
2002-12-29 05:30:57 PM  
Suit me up.

I'm ready to sit on the bench and wave towels with all the other white kids!
 
2002-12-29 05:32:15 PM  
Anyone else notice the misspelling? How ironic...
 
2002-12-29 05:32:27 PM  
Or, if you're a tall white kid, stand under the basket and feed it to the basket all day long. Oh, not to mention jump as high as you can and whack the ball at whichever teammate you think deserves it.
 
2002-12-29 05:32:33 PM  
Hey, even I could play... if I could play basketball... and could afford tuition. Aww, screw it.
 
2002-12-29 05:32:34 PM  
bah... that's nothing. 2.5 gpa? in high school? hahaha that's so easy. i'm OVER QUALIFIED.
 
2002-12-29 05:33:58 PM  
I'm twice as qualified, in some cases. Can I play for two different teams?
 
2002-12-29 05:35:17 PM  
So what are you trying to point out in this article? That basketball athletes should get better grades? Would you feel better if MIT got an automatic bid into march madness?
 
2002-12-29 05:38:29 PM  
"4 years of English."

That is exactly why the movie wasn't called "English Majors Can't Jump."
 
2002-12-29 05:41:33 PM  
Europe surrenders..

What's NCAA,GPA,ACT,SAT? eurhm, no, don't care.
 
2002-12-29 05:41:34 PM  
I think they are trying to point out that College Athletics have nothing to do with academics, and that if you can throw a ball, that entitles you to an education because you make money for the school.

Frankly, why not just set up "Athletic Colleges" where athletes can go and play like normal, but the rest of us students who work and study don't have to be short changed by athletes getting a free ride, and yet not doing the same requirements as the others.

Just think, we could have "Athletic Colleges" that pretty much prep kids for pro sports, and then "Academic Colleges" for people who want to learn and acquire skills/information/education. It's not like athletes ever *use* any of the things they learn, most of them don't even gradumate.
 
2002-12-29 05:42:51 PM  
ROFL! I qualified even without the English part of the SAT!
 
2002-12-29 05:44:25 PM  
fark you HolyoaK, get picked last for dodgeball as a child?
 
2002-12-29 05:52:24 PM  
I live in alabama...and now i think i know why i don't go to school here.
 
2002-12-29 05:53:26 PM  
I agree with HolyoaK.
 
2002-12-29 05:54:27 PM  
Exactly right, HolyoaK.

And this is one reason why American schools will lag behind the rest of the world. As long as all the collegiate money goes to school athletics instead of important fields of academic research, where it ought to be going, I think you're going to find a massive brain drain of smart high-school kids pursuing their studies in other countries where the academic departments come first.

It pisses me off when some shiathead is hired as football coach and makes a hell of a lot more money than professors doing real work, teaching classes and pursuing research. Some of these college professors are just barely getting by. Yep, that kind of arrangement sure makes me want to use my talents and pursue my Ph.D.
 
2002-12-29 05:57:25 PM  
HolyoaK has a damn fine point. The majority of star athelets at my school are treated like they're on the board of trustees. In a way, what they do is extremely important, as a university's athletic program adds (for some reason) prestige to the institution its self. When a collegiate football/basketball team is amazing, people automatically equate that in terms of the quality of the school (when in reality, this has no bearing whatsoever). Point in case, Randy Moss made good enough grades at my school to play football; and that young man is one of the most ignorant human beings alive today. But hell, that's life--and the boy can catch a football.
 
2002-12-29 06:00:27 PM  
I doubt anyone could play sports there based on their ACT score, seeing as how it's scored out of 36, and they demand a 66 for a 2.5 gpa...
 
2002-12-29 06:04:07 PM  
I don't see what the problem is with college sports. There's a clear double standard but that's the way the world works. Sports are big business. If there were such thing as buying season tickets to watch my favorite college professor teach then maybe the tide would turn.

BTW, there are high school's that are geared towards preping students for pro sports - they cost $30K-$100K/year. They take the place of college and that makes sense.
 
2002-12-29 06:05:35 PM  
According to this sliding scale, I could have a -12.75 GPA and still play college sports.
 
2002-12-29 06:10:54 PM  
"...to determine what SAT or ACT scores is needed..."
whoever wrote this article must have failed junior high grammar.
 
2002-12-29 06:11:27 PM  
oops... -12.975
 
2002-12-29 06:14:39 PM  
Chikin, do you think that they don't bring in more money from sports than they spend? I'd go as far as to say that the major football school bring in as much money from football as they do from tuition, if not more.

You people are almost as bad as those Title IX whiners.
 
2002-12-29 06:15:47 PM  
...

or "I'd go as far as to say that the major football schools..."
 
2002-12-29 06:19:54 PM  
Chikin, I didn't know that our schools were lagging behind the rest of the world's schools. Seems to me like the Ivy League is still the best education on the planet. Sure you can go to 'Bama with a 2 GPA and play college basketball, but you can also go to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Yale, etc.

America's schools, as a whole, are the best schools anywhere. Even if college sports are distorting their image, you still can't find the same quality education anywhere else.
 
2002-12-29 06:24:05 PM  
If it wasn't for the sports programs at most non ivy league schools the academic portion wouldn't exist either being that a lot of money is generated from these sporting events.
 
2002-12-29 06:25:46 PM  
Axeman

Yeah...
What's the deal with those ACT scores? What am I missing?
 
2002-12-29 06:26:50 PM  
Uhh.. Barfooz... No.

Assuming you got a 1600...

The Score requirement goes up by 10 for every .025 of a GPA. With a 2.0 GPA you'd need a 1010... 2.5 you'd need a 820. Therefore, the slope of the line would be... 380 points / -1.0 GPA. So if you had a 1.0 GPA you'd need... A 1390, and if you had a 0.0 you'd need... A 1770. No, I don't think so.

I'm going by the numbers on the right in the SAT column because the numbers on the left even a cabbage could get.
 
2002-12-29 06:30:03 PM  
Dope, I work at the largest school in America. Big time athletic dept. We lost around $10,000,000 on sports last year. The rest of the school has to cut back to cover the losses.

And the football coach gets quadruple the salary of the school pres.

Sports suck.
 
2002-12-29 06:33:00 PM  
Troyf1, i wasn't paying much attention, which mispelling were you referring to?
 
2002-12-29 06:51:09 PM  
Used .25 as the difference between each. Should have been .025, therefore my GPA could have been 0.525.

My mistake then. Took that test when I was a lot more awake than I am right now...
 
2002-12-29 06:51:16 PM  
I hardly call those requirements "strenuous".
 
2002-12-29 06:56:15 PM  
Think that was the ironic humor of the title, MrPilot.
 
2002-12-29 06:59:16 PM  
And this is one reason why American schools will lag behind the rest of the world. As long as all the collegiate money goes to school athletics instead of important fields of academic research, where it ought to be going, I think you're going to find a massive brain drain of smart high-school kids pursuing their studies in other countries where the academic departments come first.

What are you talking about? Athletes have been getting breaks like this for quite some time and American universities are still recognized as the best in the world.
 
2002-12-29 08:12:38 PM  
BULLSHIAT !!

Y kant Jamal rede ?
 
2002-12-29 08:19:02 PM  
The highest ACT score possible is a 36, do they do it differently in Alabama?
 
2002-12-29 08:26:50 PM  
Starting in the fall of 1996, if you want to play at the NCAA Division I level, you will need to use this sliding scale to determine what SAT or ACT scores is needed to practice, compete and receive athletic scholarships as a freshman.

...damn
 
2002-12-29 08:43:53 PM  
why even point this out? It's like so frigin obvious. personally I don't care if they can't read or not, as long as they score me some touchdowns. those morons are there for ENTERTAINMENT, and because its a requirement to make the pros. screw em if they don't bother to learn to read or balance their checkbooks. and good for those that take advantage of the free ride and earn a degree. if they make it to the pros they'll earn enough to compensate for their lack of knowledge. quick quote from Curtis Conway, a multi-millionaire wide receiver currently with the San Diego Chargers: "that comment was tooken out of content". hehehe, just catch the ball dumas!
 
2002-12-29 09:10:42 PM  
For those not in the know:
ACT and SAT are two tests administered to high school students wishing to attend college. The ACT (American College Test) tests reading, math, science and English (as distinct from reading) and concentrates on what students should have learned in high school. The SAT (Scholastic Aptitude Test) is examines verbal and mathematics abilities and concentrates on what a college student should know upon entering (there is a subtle difference there). The SAT is the older of the two and was instituted to give colleges a more objective way of awarding entry to students based on ability (rather than on family prestige, which had been the norm).

Both tests are accepted by most colleges. Of course, most educators also believe that no one multiple-choice exam can measure a student's true potential, and problems with these tests have been pointed out in the past. Nevertheless, as an objective criterion for evaluating student merit, testing is here to stay.

I don't know what the deal is with the left-hand SAT numbers on the 'Bama site, but the right-hand SAT scores are the ones to go by. Also see The NCAA's own eligibility page which explains the table in greater detail.

Note that the "Partial Qualifier" GPA is higher and the SAT scores are lower than the full Qualifer. This takes into account the possibility of high-school grade inflation -- the SAT is considered a better standard (or safer from tampering) for measuring students than GPA. That is certainly a point in the NCAA's favor.
 
2002-12-29 09:34:25 PM  
12-29-02 06:24:05 PM Engrish
If it wasn't for the sports programs at most non ivy league schools the academic portion wouldn't exist either being that a lot of money is generated from these sporting events.

You may want to check your facts on this one. Most Division 1A athletic programs operate in the red. The few schools that do generate profits from athletic programs typically do this based on the nation's few profitable men's basketball and football programs.

These schools aren't what would be considered "Ivy League," but I would venture a guess they would be okay without their sports programs: Cal Tech, MIT, Northwestern, Washington U. in St. Louis, Georgetown, NYU, UC - Davis, and so on. Many do have some good teams here and there, but this is not what keeps them going.
 
2002-12-29 09:57:50 PM  
they may not get all their money directly from sports but they do get a great deal of exposure to potential students through sports which indirectly funnels a lot of money into the school.
 
2002-12-29 10:24:12 PM  
Computer geeks will soon take over college sports!

We=teh smart
 
2002-12-29 10:26:07 PM  
Do Ivy League schools have sports teams? HARVARD FOOTBALL RULES!
 
2002-12-29 10:52:32 PM  
The ACT scores are taken as the sum of ACT scores according the "official" NCAA tables. I never took the ACT so I don't exactly know what that means, if anything.
 
2002-12-29 11:21:46 PM  
Who cares? This sounds like the requirements to get into ANY non-competitive college. Or be a high school graduate. Is this telling anyone anything they didn't know?
 
2002-12-30 12:26:11 AM  
12-29-02 05:57:25 PM Rumbleminz

I'll agree that Randy Moss is dumb as a box of rocks.. But, you also have to take into consideration WHAT school he went to.. Marshall is not known for dragging in geniouses. (Believe me, I should know, I'm from around those parts)

But, for that matter, neither is OU. heh.. But, seriously, if it wasn't for football, there wouldn't BE a Marshall. They build a new football stadium when half their lab equipment is older than my grandmother (this coming from former/current students I knew while sill living down there).

Um..yeah...I'll go back into my corner now.

~~Nyte

P.S. Huntington sucks! GO IRONTON! :P
 
2002-12-30 12:33:36 AM  
Most college football programs lose money. They exist to attract students who are otherwise unqualified to attend good schools, and to feed the ego of their alumni.
 
2002-12-30 01:14:58 AM  
my school spends large amounts of $$ (read: several brand new facilities w/in the past couple of years) on sports - yet i have a 3.9GPA and can't squeeze any money out of them and the rulers in the chem labs are held together with duct tape. computer-based classes are offered with no thought to the fact that there aren't enough working PCs in the labs for all the students, and we are forever dodging dripping water coming through pipes in classrooms.

fair? get rid of the sports.
 
2002-12-30 01:35:32 AM  
you people biatching about money blah blah blah... many people donate money to the school TO BE USED FOR ATHLETICS.... the school doesn't just take your tuition money and build a new stadium, some rich alumni comes along and says "build a stadium with my name on it, here's some money" and there are many good schools that don't have sports, or have division 2 or 3 sports where the athletes don't get scholarships and actually have to do work
 
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