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2008-10-04 04:53:50 PM
Phocas: Oh my goodness, yes, religion is totally bad!

After all, if folks from all religious walks were doing good things like feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, etc, we'd be hearing about just as often as the violent acts. The media would never favor "bleed" stories over acts of altruism and self-control.


How can you call these acts "good"??? All they do is reinforce the notion that if you fail at life, somebody else is going to take care of you. These religious folks should be eating in front of the hungry and beating the homeless. Otherwise, why would any self-deluding, basement-dwelling snowflake bother to try making a living for themselves?
 
2008-10-04 04:54:12 PM
Cornwell: hitler was a hardcore liberal: enjoy your crappy old rockets for the next 200 years. until the Japanese Chinese build the first functional elevator.

FFR

/Fixed For Reality


FFR
 
2008-10-04 04:54:18 PM
monkey spasm: Why is it that the only people throwing around antisemitism are the people are saying they are going to be called that for condemning these actions. You're not antisemitic for condemning these actions. You're antisemitic for believing all jews are going to attack you before you even reveal your thought.

And some of you seem not to understand the differences between a country and the people who inhabit it. The government is not stoning people or even condoning these actions. It's a small fundie group of people. While it is unfortunate they exist, they are not representative of Israel as a whole just like fundie christians do not represent the US.


they're worried about non-jews calling them anti-semetic. people are so conditioned to keep their mouths shut about any non-caucasians as to fear being branded a racist.
 
2008-10-04 04:54:22 PM
the_chief: We need to get some internet tough guys on this asap.

they're all still ranting and raving about black people in that OJ thread.
 
2008-10-04 04:55:05 PM
monkey spasm: While it is unfortunate they exist, they are not representative of Israel as a whole just like fundie christians do not represent the US.

Really??? Bush admits he asks Jesus for guidance. Palin seems to be a religious nutjob. A lot of people running our government right now are just watering at the mouth for the End Days to begin any time now.
 
2008-10-04 04:56:43 PM
monkey spasm: Why is it that the only people throwing around antisemitism are the people are saying they are going to be called that for condemning these actions. You're not antisemitic for condemning these actions. You're antisemitic for believing all jews are going to attack you before you even reveal your thought.

Because "antisemitism" has become a word of convenience, used to condemn people who, for instance, oppose aggressive expansionism from the Israeli state. Dare to question Israel, and you are no better than Hitler, and you definitely would be in favor of Holocaust.

It is caused by long-term exposure to Tatsuma, and it's hard to tell whether the effects are permanent or not.
 
2008-10-04 04:57:12 PM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: Cornwell: hitler was a hardcore liberal: enjoy your crappy old rockets for the next 200 years. until the Japanese Chinese build the first functional elevator. I buy a house

FFR

/Fixed For Reality

FFR


FFR

Fixed for Realty
 
2008-10-04 04:57:45 PM
Cornwell: It is caused by long-term exposure to Tatsuma, and it's hard to tell whether the effects are permanent or not.

From Tatsuma's profile, a quote from MLK:

"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism."
 
2008-10-04 04:58:24 PM
monkey spasm: Why is it that the only people throwing around antisemitism are the people are saying they are going to be called that for condemning these actions.

Mostly because in previous threads on Israel certain posters had a tendency to equate even the mildest criticism of any aspect of Israel with antisemitism. I'm not gonna say who (I'm pretty sure calling out other farkers is against the guidelines), but they've already been mentioned by other posters.
 
2008-10-04 04:58:30 PM
RHMolBio: Does this actually surprise anyone?


/glass parking lot etc...etc..


Nope. It isn't the religion. It's the culture in that part of the world. The same culture that was there when all three of the Abrahamic religions formed there. The same culture that thinks stoning, cutting off of hands, etc. is the right way to treat humans. The entire area should be turned into a glass parking lot and then anyplace else in the world you find that culture you hit the people hard embracing it. Sometimes you just have to cut the tumor out and then engage in some chemo-therapy. This world needs a doctor.
 
2008-10-04 04:59:00 PM
Cornwell: Miss Smartass: Would some one care to explain to my why women aren't allowed to dress the way they want? Is there something wrong with freedom of expression?
I'm missing something here...

Because religion tells you that the female body is an awful hideous thing, and should be covered up because of somethingsomething...

Basic rights, such as freedom of expression, must always take a back seat to religious fundamentalism.



'Cause they can't deal with the guilt they feel when their thoughts wander and their peckers betray their shiatty lack of willpower. Easier then to get a scapegoat and blame women for arousing their internal demons.
 
2008-10-04 04:59:07 PM
Gangs of "religious Police" roam the street stoning immodestly dressed women and torching stores with internet capabale devices. Is this A) Taliban-controlled Afghanistan b) Saudi Arabia or C) Israel D) America in 50 years.


FTFM
 
2008-10-04 04:59:35 PM
Craptacular_Guy: As a moderate Jew, I condemn this.

Fundies of any religion are facists, and I have little respect for them.

There, I said it.


Seconded. I also have a problem with the fact that so many of the Haredi are living on the dole because they have large families and the men just spend all their time studying Torah. I wish we could weed out the orthodox influence in the Israeli Parliament so they could do something to fight fundamentalism. The Ultra-Orthodox fanatics are just as much a danger to the state of Israel as external enemies.
 
2008-10-04 05:00:32 PM
Britney Spear's Speculum: Gangs of "religious Police" roam the street stoning immodestly dressed women and torching stores with internet capabale devices. Is this A) Taliban-controlled Afghanistan b) Saudi Arabia or C) Israel D) America in 50 years.


FTFM


FTFY

On the eventuality of Caribou Barbie being elected to anything.
 
2008-10-04 05:01:39 PM
Some facts that seem to fly over the heads of some of you:

1. The article is about an ultra-orthodox community, not the country of Israel.

2. What they are doing is against the law, this is not sanctioned by the state (like in Iran for example).

Carry on.
 
2008-10-04 05:01:59 PM
Phocas:
Oh my goodness, yes, religion is totally bad!

After all, if folks from all religious walks were doing good things like feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, etc, we'd be hearing about just as often as the violent acts. The media would never favor "bleed" stories over acts of altruism and self-control.

And of course, no sadists/bored young men/powermongers would ever use religion as cloak for their own agendas. They'd be completely open about wanting to hurt people due to their own appetites.



Religion is bad. To accept something on "faith" is to turn off your ability for rational thought. As Voltaire put it:

Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is unjust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust. If the God-given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God-given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes of religion which have overrun the world.

...and, of course, philanthropy (feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, etc.) does not need to be religiously inspired. One does not need to fear or respect any particular sky-demon to help other people who are obviously in need.
 
2008-10-04 05:02:38 PM
Don't these people ever fight back? It shouldn't take much to discourage some rogue rabbis to move along. Tire iron, chains, baseball bat, cock punch.
 
2008-10-04 05:03:24 PM
Hitler was a hardcore liberal

Love the name. I've been thinking of changing my Fark handle to Stalin was a neocon.
 
2008-10-04 05:04:38 PM
"Moderation in all things" is for wimps. Real men insist on taking ever facet of life to a dangerous extreme.
Religion without zealots is like frisbee without razorblades - why bother...
 
2008-10-04 05:05:25 PM
Gunther: (I'm pretty sure calling out other farkers is against the guidelines)

Borderline...

However, the Posting Rules also says "Don't post repetitively." so I guess there are some grey areas.

/End threadjack
 
2008-10-04 05:05:32 PM
jshine: ..and, of course, philanthropy (feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, etc.) does not need to be religiously inspired. One does not need to fear or respect any particular sky-demon to help other people who are obviously in need.

Are you sure about that? I thought that people were inherently selfish and evil and if they didn't create a god to tell them what to do that they would be raping and killing each other.
 
2008-10-04 05:05:56 PM
As a secular jew who still IDs himself as a jew, I condemn this as well. It's important to keep in mind though that there are wackjobs in all sects of all religions, races, etc. and its just as unfair for me to say, for example, that all black people support gangs, even by omission of condemnation, as it is for someone else to say all jews support this for the same reason.

As someone of an aside, if you were somehow able to remove religion from the world with a magic wand, nationalism would take its place in the minds of extremist asshats, so its pretty farking stupid to think that abolishing religion would fix the world.
 
2008-10-04 05:06:20 PM
In the ultra ultra orthodox neighborhoods it's not religious police: it's any ultra orthodox who is prejudiced against you, that will stone ya. It's actually more commonly the old ladies than the men. Even other jews will get this treatment, even.
To clarify, stoning in this case = throwing pebbles and people and stuff to get your attention, but doesn't necessarily mean they won't aim for your head.

Also, if you were smart enough to confront a thrower, I guarantee they will back down.

/doesn't like it
//doesn't really care either
///it is perfectly feasible to stand up for yourself and/or throw stones back, btw.
 
2008-10-04 05:06:51 PM
Miss Smartass: Would some one care to explain to my why women aren't allowed to dress the way they want? Is there something wrong with freedom of expression?
I'm missing something here...


Ever consider that maybe these women are dressing the way they want.
 
2008-10-04 05:06:58 PM
Miss Smartass: Would some one care to explain to my why women aren't allowed to dress the way they want? Is there something wrong with freedom of expression?
I'm missing something here...


Isaiah seems to be the culprit:

3: 16 וַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהוָ֗ה יַ֚עַן כִּ֤י גָֽבְהוּ֙ בְּנ֣וֹת צִיּ֔וֹן וַתֵּלַ֙כְנָה֙ נטוות נְטוּי֣וֹת גָּר֔וֹן וּֽמְשַׂקְּר֖וֹת עֵינָ֑יִם הָל֤וֹךְ וְטָפֹף֙ תֵּלַ֔כְנָה וּבְרַגְלֵיהֶ֖ם תְּעַכַּֽסְנָה׃

Because that daughters of Zion have been haughty, And they walk stretching out the neck, And deceiving [with] the eyes, Walking and mincing they go, And with their feet they make a tinkling,

[long list of forbidden ornaments follows, especially nose-rings]

25 מְתַ֖יִךְ בַּחֶ֣רֶב יִפֹּ֑לוּ וּגְבוּרָתֵ֖ךְ בַּמִּלְחָמָֽה׃

instead of glory, thy men by sword do fall, and thy might in battle.

Basically blames the chicks for the Assyrians invading.

/he would hate the East Village in NYC: lots of nose-rings
 
2008-10-04 05:07:26 PM
Maaaatlock: As someone of an aside, if you were somehow able to remove religion from the world with a magic wand, nationalism would take its place in the minds of extremist asshats, so its pretty farking stupid to think that abolishing religion would fix the world.

Of course it wouldn't, but it would be at least one less thing we would have to deal with.
 
2008-10-04 05:09:33 PM
I've been working on a diplomatic solution for peace in the middle east.

I call it the fused glass approach. Unfortunately (for the middle east at least), it involves saturation hydrogen bombing.

/If McCain gets elected, I'll send it to him as a suggestion.
 
2008-10-04 05:09:37 PM
namegoeshere: Biological Ali: HowlingFrog: One Friday night, just before the Sabbath was about to begin, "they smashed a window, doused the place with gasoline and lit a match," Gold said.

Mazaltov Cocktail?

Win?


Yes. definite win.
 
2008-10-04 05:11:06 PM
Patzycakes: Miss Smartass: Would some one care to explain to my why women aren't allowed to dress the way they want? Is there something wrong with freedom of expression?
I'm missing something here...

Ever consider that maybe these women are dressing the way they want.


Please elaborate. Are they wearing what they want before they are terrorized by Jewish fundies or after?
 
2008-10-04 05:12:06 PM
Israel is a land of extremes, While I was visiting I noticed that the ultra-orthodox bus riders would not give up their seat to an elderly woman, simply because she was a woman.

On the other hand, I found these outside of Blockbusters:

static.flickr.com

And they were loaded with porn!
 
2008-10-04 05:12:50 PM
Craptacular_Guy: As a moderate Jew, I condemn this.

Fundies of any religion are facists, and I have little respect for them.

There, I said it.


The question is not whether you, as a moderate Jew, will condemn this.

The question is how strongly the Israeli government will condemn this. Will they seek these terrorists out as aggressively as they seek out Muslim terrorists?
 
2008-10-04 05:15:04 PM
Cornwell: Britney Spear's Speculum: Gangs of "religious Police" roam the street stoning immodestly dressed women and torching stores with internet capabale devices. Is this A) Taliban-controlled Afghanistan b) Saudi Arabia or C) Israel D) America in 50 years.


FTFM

FTFY

On the eventuality of Caribou Barbie being elected to anything.


You're probably right. I was betting on 50 years because in that time the population of America will have roughly roughly doubled (I found 1 projection but it's the most severe case estimate), thus ensuing a 'moral' super supermajority.
 
2008-10-04 05:15:39 PM
Pincy: Maaaatlock: As someone of an aside, if you were somehow able to remove religion from the world with a magic wand, nationalism would take its place in the minds of extremist asshats, so its pretty farking stupid to think that abolishing religion would fix the world.

Of course it wouldn't, but it would be at least one less thing we would have to deal with.


oh yea.
 
2008-10-04 05:17:03 PM
How very religulous. Unthinkers hard at work to fail logic and reason by as wide a margin as possible.
 
2008-10-04 05:17:19 PM
My first thought, "NO ONE expects the Jewish Inquisition!!"

And I mean no one.
 
2008-10-04 05:19:01 PM
The Middle East - The place where "getting stoned" doesn't quite mean the same thing as in the rest of the world.
 
2008-10-04 05:20:27 PM
Pincy: Maaaatlock: As someone of an aside, if you were somehow able to remove religion from the world with a magic wand, nationalism would take its place in the minds of extremist asshats, so its pretty farking stupid to think that abolishing religion would fix the world.

Of course it wouldn't, but it would be at least one less thing we would have to deal with.



Don't you think it would be better to squash extremism and leave the things that make us interesting intact? And anyway, saying it would be one less thing to deal with doesn't make sense, because nationalism would wholly fill the vacuum left by religion. Religion is just another form of nationalism, with different justifications.

/I'm an american - get my culture or get my sword!
 
2008-10-04 05:23:04 PM
or d) Wichita, Kansas.
 
2008-10-04 05:24:56 PM
I am waiting for an armed women to bust a cap in some hasids @$$ the best cure for this shiat is for the victims to shoot back, but only in the balls
 
2008-10-04 05:29:18 PM
I hear stoning is very green.
 
2008-10-04 05:30:10 PM
JamesLi: Close2TheEdge: "The US should never second guess Israel."

Of course! The actions of a few are supported by the whole!

That makes total sense, that's why there is an news article about it with people saying "omg wtf is this shiat?"


Lighten up, Francis.
 
2008-10-04 05:30:26 PM
the bible say thou shall not kill, but it is a little fuzzy on the subject of knee caps,
 
2008-10-04 05:31:22 PM
These stories are old. The modesty police thing was reported last month and the "burka woman" saga has been going on for months.
 
2008-10-04 05:31:33 PM
How did this Israel thread not evolve into Israel Defence force chick goodness?
/Dissapointed.
 
2008-10-04 05:33:12 PM
ultraholland: I love our allies.

Don't make the mistake of thinking these freaks represent Judaism. They are the way-out fringe of the way-out fringe of ultra-Orthodoxy. No one here condones their behavior, but their own communities are afraid to report them.
 
2008-10-04 05:33:14 PM
Maaaatlock: Don't you think it would be better to squash extremism and leave the things that make us interesting intact?

There are other things than religion that make us interesting. I'd prefer that we let go of our myths and view them as what they are, relics of our past that should not be taken seriously today.

And anyway, saying it would be one less thing to deal with doesn't make sense, because nationalism would wholly fill the vacuum left by religion. Religion is just another form of nationalism, with different justifications.

You don't know that nationalism would wholly fill the vacuum left by religion. If we were able to rid ourselves of religion by becoming more rational then those same rational people may not be fooled by nationalism. Unless you are assuming that most people aren't rational and really want to be controlled by some sort of ideology. Ultimately you may be right, but I say it doesn't hurt to give it the ol' college try.
 
2008-10-04 05:35:33 PM
15 of them?

www.granitegrok.com


Problem solved.
 
2008-10-04 05:36:30 PM
sonder: 15 of them?

Problem solved.


Always double-tap to be sure...
 
2008-10-04 05:36:50 PM
The government of Israel and the rabbis of the state tacitly approve of this.

If one of these dudes tried to stop me from walking to my car, just 15 feet away, because my teenage daughter was wearing pants, my wife, daughter, and I would knock the guy to the ground and hold him down while my 6 year old son repeatedly kick him in the nads.

Then we would all laugh as we walked to the car while the asshat on the ground writhed in pain.

/Now I feel a lot better. Thank you for letting me vent
/ Imagine a World with no religion. *happy smile*
 
2008-10-04 05:37:09 PM
I came for pictures of hot Israeli girls and was sorely disappointed
 
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