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(Wired)   Writers talk new "Trek" movie. "We have to bring more 'Star Wars' into 'Star Trek'"   (blog.wired.com) divider line 119
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2008-10-03 02:40:08 AM  
Let JMS write it, I swear you won't be disappointed.
 
2008-10-03 02:43:42 AM  
So Star Trek needs badly written romance, and tropes from old serials?
 
2008-10-03 03:25:19 AM  
They need more of Roddenberry's original vision in Star Trek.
 
2008-10-03 04:02:35 AM  
submitter: "We have to bring more 'Star Wars' into 'Star Trek'"

Jar-Jar in a red shirt? I can see the possibilities...
 
2008-10-03 04:46:21 AM  
If anything, Star Trek needs more Doctor Who.

...and Doctor Who needs more... classic Doctor Who!
 
2008-10-03 05:01:33 AM  
This sounds like a cool photoshop theme...
 
2008-10-03 06:10:33 AM  
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2008-10-03 07:03:04 AM  
STAR WARS
...Star Trek for slow people
 
2008-10-03 07:05:48 AM  
i34.photobucket.com
 
2008-10-03 07:06:15 AM  
Erm? How about NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ?
 
2008-10-03 07:07:49 AM  
To be fair, they clarified that they meant ORIGINAL Star Wars.
 
2008-10-03 07:10:25 AM  
Confabulat: To be fair, they clarified that they meant ORIGINAL Star Wars.

Well then. They need to put in more 70's style sideburns?
 
2008-10-03 07:12:42 AM  
Robert Poopsmith: They need to put in more 70's style sideburns?

If they bring back 1970s Carrie Fisher, then I'm all for this plan.

This film could only suck more if they cast Wil Wheaton as Wesley Crusher's grandfather
 
2008-10-03 07:13:21 AM  
Confabulat: To be fair, they clarified that they meant ORIGINAL Star Wars.

You don't expect us to read the actual article, do you?
 
2008-10-03 07:15:00 AM  
Robert Poopsmith: Confabulat: To be fair, they clarified that they meant ORIGINAL Star Wars.

Well then. They need to put in more 70's style sideburns?


No, I think the '60s pointy ones will still do just fine.
 
2008-10-03 07:15:27 AM  
Star Trek is often the space equivalent of sub battles

That describes Wrath of Kahn (plus Balance of Terror from TOS)

/Kahn was on HBO Family last night
 
2008-10-03 07:17:15 AM  
I think they are speaking visually. They are spot on about Trek being like "subs in space" and they need to keep that feel- it's integral. But some cool exterior scenes would be nice to see. I have a feeling this is going to have a lot of ship to ship battles in it very much like Wrath of Khan- which is pretty much everybodies favorite Trek flick.
 
2008-10-03 07:17:17 AM  
damageddude: Star Trek is often the space equivalent of sub battles

That describes Wrath of Kahn (plus Balance of Terror from TOS)

/Kahn was on HBO Family last night


I never considered them sub battles, more like clipper ships. I always thought "Master and Commander" was an excellent Star Trek movie on par with Wrath of Khan.
 
2008-10-03 07:23:55 AM  
damageddude: Star Trek is often the space equivalent of sub battles

That describes Wrath of Kahn (plus Balance of Terror from TOS)

/Kahn was on HBO Family last night


As long as its not like Das Boot where everyone bloody dies in the end.
 
2008-10-03 07:28:05 AM  
While Shatner is still alive and kicking, we gotta try to use him in the movie in some capacity.
 
2008-10-03 07:32:29 AM  
joeyromeo: STAR WARS
...Star Trek for slow people


Yeah, because Star trek is so deep and complex.
 
2008-10-03 07:40:34 AM  
Mugato: joeyromeo: STAR WARS
...Star Trek for slow people

Yeah, because Star trek is so deep and complex.


Easy kids- They are apples and oranges. Star Wars is fantasy in space. Star Trek is Sci-fi. You can love them both. It's ok.

As long as ILM is on board it'll look fan-farking-tastic.
 
2008-10-03 07:44:11 AM  
I wish this damn movie was coming out already. I don't care about the plot, I just want to see old-school Kirk's Enterprise up on the bigscreen, with the latest, flashiest special effects.
 
2008-10-03 07:46:24 AM  
Didn't Fark already have a Photoshop thread on this topic?
 
2008-10-03 07:51:56 AM  
Confabulat: I wish this damn movie was coming out already. I don't care about the plot, I just want to see old-school Kirk's Enterprise up on the bigscreen, with the latest, flashiest special effects.

I have to admit- I was wary of this at first but, I'm quickly warming up to it. Very much anticipating even.
 
2008-10-03 07:58:04 AM  
joeyromeo: STAR WARS
...Star Trek for slow people


Star Trek = Let's make up science as we go along, throw in some words that seem scientific and reroute power to the hull whenever it's structural integrity is about to fail.

Star Wars = Let's make a totally cool fantasy universe with lasers, starfighers and energy swords.

I'll take Star Wars anyday.
 
2008-10-03 08:05:35 AM  
what does "subs" mean?
 
2008-10-03 08:06:37 AM  
We'll they probably mean the characterization like star trek. classic archetypes that have sorely missing since the original trek. Kirk was clearly the old west sheriff laying down the law in a wild frontier. Spock was a weird combination of wise sage and best friend vaguely like Tonto. McCoy was blatantly the old west doctor who happen to be very devout. Other characters where progressive characterization of generally rarely seen groups (Russian, African, Japanese, Scottish). They tried to rehash in in enterprise but it was generally poorly executed do the fact the characters where generally uninteresting do to variety of factors.
 
2008-10-03 08:08:51 AM  
Franco: We'll they probably mean the characterization like star trek. classic archetypes that have sorely missing since the original trek. Kirk was clearly the old west sheriff laying down the law in a wild frontier. Spock was a weird combination of wise sage and best friend vaguely like Tonto. McCoy was blatantly the old west doctor who happen to be very devout.

Exactly. "Firefly" was a bit blatant about it, but the whole thing was always "Wagon Train" in space.
 
2008-10-03 08:14:35 AM  
How dorky am I? So dorky that I wanted to correct how they spelled "Khan."
 
2008-10-03 08:30:58 AM  
I rather liked the fact there was no single "Evil Empire" in Star Trek. You had the Klingons, which while Evil you understood from the outset that they were just being them. And their warlike got into their road as often as it put them ahead. Then you also had the devious Romulans. The Romulans were Evil, but more in a political and scientific way. And again, their evil got in their road as often as the Federation's propensity for good got in its.

And sometimes the Klingons and the Romulans would work against the Federation. Sometimes they would work with the Federation against the other. Sometimes all three would have to gang up to kick down something even bigger.

Basically, like real politics.
 
2008-10-03 08:43:10 AM  
"The tag-team scripters, who previously worked with producer/director J.J. Abrams on Fringe and Alias"

Ah fark.
 
2008-10-03 08:44:20 AM  
Arkcon: Didn't Fark already have a Photoshop thread on this topic?

If not, it definitely should!

/These aren't the Vulcans you're looking for
//That's no moon, that's a giant amoeba
///OBI-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!
 
2008-10-03 08:47:25 AM  
The tag-team scripters, who previously worked with producer/director J.J. Abrams on Fringe

Christ... this movie is farked.
 
2008-10-03 08:49:18 AM  
Confabulat: I never considered them sub battles, more like clipper ships. I always thought "Master and Commander" was an excellent Star Trek movie on par with Wrath of Khan.

"Balance of Terror" was a submarine movie. One of the writers had recently seen Silent Running and thought it'd make a good Star Trek episode. Turns out, they were right. "Balance of Terror" ranks as one of the best.

Wrath of Khan on the other hand, was clipper ships. And you're right, Master and Commander was an excellent Star Trek movie.
 
2008-10-03 09:03:38 AM  
CheeseEatingBulldog:

Star Trek = Let's make up science as we go along



So you mean like, science fiction? The science is just there to prop up the story line.
 
2008-10-03 09:07:11 AM  
Joss Whedon is my master now.
 
2008-10-03 09:07:14 AM  
yarnothuntin: Easy kids- They are apples and oranges. Star Wars is fantasy in space. Star Trek is Sci-fi. You can love them both. It's ok.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but both of them are Space Opera, not Sci-fi. There's a Voyager episode where going faster than warp 10 "evolves" Paris and Janeway into lizards, FFS.
 
2008-10-03 09:09:54 AM  
Lampmonster: CheeseEatingBulldog:

Star Trek = Let's make up science as we go along


So you mean like, science fiction? The science is just there to prop up the story line.


Sure, but imho Star Trek takes itself waaaaaaay too seriously. And don't get me wrong I have watched my fair share of the show, but always thought the absolutely absurd rerouting of power through magnetic conductor arrays, which they then took offline to bypass the quantum integrity field in order to boost the frequency of the solar jammers, whilst at warp was all a little stupid. At least Star Wars makes no bones about the fact that it is all fantasy, whereas Star Trek tries really hard (and fails) to come accross as real.
 
2008-10-03 09:13:20 AM  
The Icelander: Joss Whedon is my master now.

I wouldn't say that too loud. Whedon is a hack.

Gunther: There's a Voyager episode where going faster than warp 10 "evolves" Paris and Janeway into lizards, FFS.

That's still sci-fi. It's awful sci-fi, and an embarrassment to anything with a cerebrum. It doesn't even make sense according to Star Trek physics. They made a big deal about the "Warp 10 Barrier", like it was some analog to the sound barrier.

Warp speed is handled on a logarithmic scale. Each successive integral increase in warp speed represents a logarithmic increase. Warp 10 is not a theoretical maximum, it's the point where this logarithmic growth hits its asymptote- it's infinite speed.

So, according to Voyager, Janeway and Paris went faster than infinite speed.

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"Hack the Internet? No one's done that before. Which one should we hack?"
"All of them."
 
2008-10-03 09:14:56 AM  
CheeseEatingBulldog: Sure, but imho Star Trek takes itself waaaaaaay too seriously.

Which is why I hate everything after DS9, and the latter chunk of TNG. TOS was silly and knew it was silly. Oh, it had its dramatic moments, and would occasionally do some really heavy plots ("Conscience of the King" is a great one, as was the aforementioned "Balance of Terror"), but it knew its station.
 
2008-10-03 09:15:52 AM  
I'd just be happy if they went back to ILM for special effects. The space scenes never looked as good as ST 1-4, when ILM did the effects. ILM is doing effects for the next Star trek movie, so I'm hopeful.

ST's death was a Berman & co assisted suicide, with 40+ years of slavishly following continuity helping a lot.

And as for the comment upthread about Master and Commander being an excellent Star Trek movie, they're right. M&C was a better Star Trek movie than a Aubrey-Maturin movie.
 
2008-10-03 09:17:00 AM  
Robert Poopsmith: As long as its not like Das Boot where everyone bloody dies in the end.

I have spent the last 27 years keeping from being spoiled regarding the end of Das Boot and it finally arrived from Netflix yesterday, then you ruin it for me. Thanks, jerk.
 
2008-10-03 09:23:40 AM  
Gunther: yarnothuntin: Easy kids- They are apples and oranges. Star Wars is fantasy in space. Star Trek is Sci-fi. You can love them both. It's ok.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but both of them are Space Opera, not Sci-fi. There's a Voyager episode where going faster than warp 10 "evolves" Paris and Janeway into lizards, FFS.


I don't disagree but, Voyager was lame. The worst of the series IMHO. The only dudes in that show were just huge farking pussy's who cried all the time.
 
2008-10-03 09:25:20 AM  
CheeseEatingBulldog: Sure, but imho Star Trek takes itself waaaaaaay too seriously. And don't get me wrong I have watched my fair share of the show, but always thought the absolutely absurd rerouting of power through magnetic conductor arrays, which they then took offline to bypass the quantum integrity field in order to boost the frequency of the solar jammers, whilst at warp was all a little stupid.

That's the joke- the writers do that in order to not take themselves too seriously.
 
2008-10-03 09:26:59 AM  
The Icelander: Joss Whedon is my master now.

t3knomanser: I wouldn't say that too loud. Whedon is a hack.


Gosh, t3knomanser, and Joss always says such nice things about you. FWIW, "I don't like it" doesn't always equal "It sucks."
 
2008-10-03 09:30:40 AM  
wpmulligan: Robert Poopsmith: As long as its not like Das Boot where everyone bloody dies in the end.

I have spent the last 27 years keeping from being spoiled regarding the end of Das Boot and it finally arrived from Netflix yesterday, then you ruin it for me. Thanks, jerk.


LOL!

Pssst:

As part of the 7th Flotilla, stationed in Saint Nazaire/France, U-96 conducted 11 patrols, sinking 28 ships totalling 190,094 tons and damaging four others totalling 33,043 tons. On March 30, 1945, U-96 was sunk by US bombs while in the submarine pens in Wilhelmshaven. In her entire career, U-96 suffered no casualties to her crew.
 
2008-10-03 09:32:29 AM  
yarnothuntin: CheeseEatingBulldog: Sure, but imho Star Trek takes itself waaaaaaay too seriously. And don't get me wrong I have watched my fair share of the show, but always thought the absolutely absurd rerouting of power through magnetic conductor arrays, which they then took offline to bypass the quantum integrity field in order to boost the frequency of the solar jammers, whilst at warp was all a little stupid.

That's the joke- the writers do that in order to not take themselves too seriously.


You say that now, but I am betting there are star trek physics books out there that show that it does make in sense with their physics. Which would mean levels of dorkdum & scientific diarrhea are way beyond warp 10.
 
2008-10-03 09:45:04 AM  
t3knomanser
Warp 10 is not a theoretical maximum, it's the point where this logarithmic growth hits its asymptote- it's infinite speed.

So, according to Voyager, Janeway and Paris went faster than infinite speed.


FINALLY - someone else that gets it!
*Big sweaty nerd hug*

/sorry...
 
2008-10-03 09:46:04 AM  
"These are not the tribbles you are looking for..."
 
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