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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   What has "Fringe" done that "Firefly" couldn't? "Embolden thousands of geeky fanboys" surprisingly not the answer   (aintitcool.com) divider line 113
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2008-10-01 10:51:09 PM
I enjoy the show. I think the only reason is that I haven't tried to compare it to any other shows, or tried to explain its science in an effort to destroy it, like much of the media has.
 
2008-10-01 10:56:02 PM
probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.
 
2008-10-01 11:06:00 PM
SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

DING DING DING

Winner winner, chicken dinner. Fox did everything short of showing clips of Gigli as advertising in order to kill Firefly.
 
2008-10-01 11:20:49 PM
Well, it's quite a bit dumber, so it's got that going for it.

Seriously, Firefly was canceled because it was too smart for Fox execs.
 
2008-10-01 11:23:50 PM
SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

Beat me to it. Was going to say the same damn thing.

The show (Fringe) is decent, but it would be nothing without the mad scientist Walter Bishop. That guy gets so many laughs out of me it's not even funny. Well, actually, I suppose it is. That's why I'm laughing. Or something. Regardless, his insane ramblings and his son Peter's exasperation at him is a lot of fun, and seeing their respective genius bouncing off each other is a damn good time.

The only thing I don't like about the show right now is the main girl. I can't even remember the character's name. The actress is unremarkable in both talent ("sad and wooden" seem to be the only two settings she has) and in appearance (she's not bad looking by any means, but she is very nondescript.) Her little side story of self-exploration, her flirting with the idea of going to the Mega-Corporation, and finding out what was going on with her ex-lover is boring, but maybe that's just because I can't bring myself to care about the character in the least.

Nothing against he lady personally, mind you, but she's just not able to cover the spread of emotions she needs to cover.
 
2008-10-01 11:52:01 PM
SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

QFT.
 
2008-10-02 12:00:51 AM
I like Fringe, but it's no X-Files.
I liked X-Files because some of the crap was probable. A haunted house. Freeky family having sex with each other. Bigfoot even.
Fringe bothers me for two reasons:
The guy with the light-blasting gun last night kinda turned me off. I mean, WTF? I'm not looking for sci-fi for sci-fi's sake. Just cool stories of "what if?"
Also, the writing.
"We call it, the Pattern".
"We call him, The Observer."
Note to writers. If I'm already watching this, I can take a little more in-depth dialog.
 
2008-10-02 12:07:59 AM
SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

Nailed it right on the head. Also, they did one of the sorriest jobs (not) promoting it that I've ever seen. Firefly was awesome on toast, but Fox was kind of like, "Uhhh... uh... well we have this space show... it's kind of like Enterprise but way suckier... you probably won't like it, it's something only hardcore nerds could like. You know how you liked Buffy and Angel? Well it isn't like those shows at all, so if you were a fan of anything Joss Whedon's done up to now, you're going to hate this. Ok, let's start: Episode 5." This, for a show that was charming, hilarious, appealed to both genders and actually managed to succeed in the ridiculous premise of having an Old West-Chinese culture fusion set in space. Plus: River Tam.

Fringe is good so far because it has a mad scientist. At this point, that's pretty much it. It has a good premise, although it's really just a dressed up Alias, with the female lead having to navigate her way, pretty much blind, into an hidden but powerful world of secrets and organizations where everyone has a different, hidden agenda. But where Alias had spy gadgets, Fringe has crazy paranormal pseudoscience stuff, which means they can get away with fantastic stuff like the energy blaster super-gun the noseplug torturer guy had on the last episode. (Also: they can get away with noseplug torture!)

And, where Alias focused too much on boring-ass Sydney Bristow and her feelings (yawn) Fringe has amped up the supporting cast of Pacey, Walter Bishop, mysterious FBI boss, shadowy Mass Dynamic people, and even the creepy, somehow-brought-back-to-life boyfriend. Which brings me back to my original point, that Fringe has a charismatic, crazy old coot of a mad scientist, and that's the only reason why I'm watching it.
 
2008-10-02 12:10:51 AM
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2008-10-02 12:15:12 AM
Heroic Poser: I like Fringe, but it's no X-Files.
I liked X-Files because some of the crap was probable. A haunted house. Freeky family having sex with each other. Bigfoot even.
Fringe bothers me for two reasons:
The guy with the light-blasting gun last night kinda turned me off. I mean, WTF? I'm not looking for sci-fi for sci-fi's sake. Just cool stories of "what if?"
Also, the writing.
"We call it, the Pattern".
"We call him, The Observer."
Note to writers. If I'm already watching this, I can take a little more in-depth dialog.


Just to critique, I hated the X-files because it took paranormal shiat too seriously. Bigfoot is not real. Haunted houses are not probable.

Fringe is good because probable doesn't matter in its world, so the writers can be more imaginative with the pseudoscience. It's like, "fark reality. We're going to give a federal agent some LSD, put her in a salt bath with some wires coming out of it and pretend this is a legit mind-reading technique. And the crazy old coot is for some stupid reason going to want a cow that will be gone by next week. And we can do this because we don't have to be real. The bar for random set by Lost by having polar bears stampeding through Hawaiian jungle means we never need to go back to 'realistic' as long as we have freaky string music playing and some people run around. Just ignore the plot holes and be entertained."

And it also really effectively plays on ingrained post-9/11 fears about shadowy networks that could exist right under your nose.
 
2008-10-02 12:17:47 AM
i42.photobucket.com
 
2008-10-02 12:35:45 AM
SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

Had to show my little bit of solidarity for such a simple, yet glaring, truth ;)
 
2008-10-02 01:26:03 AM
bobbette:
Just to critique, I hated the X-files because it took paranormal shiat too seriously. Bigfoot is not real. Haunted houses are not probable.

Well, ya. They are. I was in one. Studied the Paranormal for over 20 years. Seen a lot of weird stuff no one could explain. I won't fight you on it, just stating my opinion.

Fringe is good because probable doesn't matter in its world, so the writers can be more imaginative with the pseudoscience. The bar for random set by Lost by having polar bears stampeding through Hawaiian jungle means we never need to go back to 'realistic' as long as we have freaky string music playing and some people run around.

Well, actually the Polar bears were used to push a giant wheel that was found. Any scientist that pushed it disappeared and it was located in extreme cold, hence the bears were brought to the island.
But I do see your point.
 
2008-10-02 01:56:56 AM
Firefly... Failed TV show, failed movie, failed comic book; still wildly popular with its fans, whom are also know as Anyone Who's Actually Seen It.

/goes off to play with his Firefly toys
//Kaywinnit is the most attractive "girl next door" ever
 
2008-10-02 01:57:04 AM
I've tried to sit through Fringe, I have, but I cant. It's somewhere between trying to be X-Files and definitely not X-Files. This is not a good position for a television show. Either you are doing X-Files all over again, or you're running off in some other direction that at first glance might appear at first glance to be doing X-Files all over again. But you can't have both. And I'd really rather have a not another X-Files, I'm happy with what's there.
 
2008-10-02 01:58:50 AM
I like Fringe, but I agree that it's basically all because of Walter Bishop. Actually, it's also because one of my favorite actors from the Wire is on the show, which is what got me to watch it to begin with.

Plot wise, it's unimpressive. It's an X-Files ripoff with a bigger budget. Some of the evil corporation stuff is annoying. That's alright though, it's well acted and often times funny.
 
2008-10-02 02:01:51 AM
I liked the first episode, and the first part of the second episode. It's a stupid ass show like Bones, that just happens to hook otherwise smart people.

/stopped watching
//Heroes is sucking
///Dexter was awesome
 
2008-10-02 02:02:36 AM
The wife and I thoroughly enjoy Fringe, so this is excellent news. There are obvious X-Files comparisons to be made, but it holds it's own on plenty of other levels. People seem to just be looking for reasons to bash an entertainingly unique concept.
 
2008-10-02 02:03:45 AM
bobbette Just to critique, I hated the X-files because it took paranormal shiat too seriously. Bigfoot is not real. Haunted houses are not probable.

It wasn't haunted. It was a left cheek sneak!
 
2008-10-02 02:14:15 AM
After every Fringe my mother calls me, and I play the "let's see what is not possible according to science" game.

I have to say, after last episode all I could come up with was SPOILER** The dirt in the grave was not disturbed.**

Couldn't get her into Firefly really even though she owns every episode and the movie of Buffy.
 
2008-10-02 02:17:47 AM
Throw me on the pile of people who are only watching because of Walter Bishop (and slightly because of Pacey).

/since Abrams is behind them both, do you think we'll ever see a Walter Bishop/Ben Linus showdown?
 
2008-10-02 02:18:48 AM
Fringe seems pretty good. I've got to catch up on this weeks episode, so it's obviously not must see for me yet. The crazy old scientist is by far the best part of the show.

Also:
i197.photobucket.com
 
2008-10-02 02:19:53 AM
bobbette: Just to critique, I hated the X-files because it took paranormal shiat too seriously. Bigfoot is not real. Haunted houses are not probable.

Scully?
 
2008-10-02 02:32:14 AM
Browncoat here, so lemme get the Fark You to Fox for killing the best show ever, out of the way. I watched part of the first episode of Fringe, said fark this and flipped to Eureka. I wasn't a big X-Files fan but that was much better than Fringe. Yeah, I will admit, the crazy doctor and his son did seem funny, but not enough to make up for the leading lady. Dear god that woman can't act to save her life.
 
2008-10-02 02:43:26 AM
Something tells me I should watch Firefly. I wonder if it's on Hulu?
 
2008-10-02 02:51:45 AM
I enjoy the show. I like the toungue in cheek humor and the general feel that it doesn't take itself too seriously. The Walter/Peter relationship is the main attraction to the show. All in all, it's a really fun show.

On a side note though, can somebody please explain to me what they mean when the say, "This show is smart" or "This show isn't smart". I really don't understand the difference. It always seemed to me that "smart" and "show" should never be used in the same sentence.

/I has extremely high suspension of disbelief
//because TV isn't reality
 
2008-10-02 02:54:26 AM
srtpointman: Something tells me I should watch Firefly. I wonder if it's on Hulu?

The entire series is, actually. And you can actually elect to watch it in the intended order, which is a novel and confusing concept to Fox execs, apparently.
 
2008-10-02 02:55:13 AM
srtpointman: Something tells me I should watch Firefly. I wonder if it's on Hulu?
yes...yes you should watch it. It might still be on there, I dunno. I remeber it being on there a couple of weeks ago.
 
2008-10-02 02:57:47 AM
srtpointman: Something tells me I should watch Firefly. I wonder if it's on Hulu?

Don't bother. Cowboys in space, stupid!
 
2008-10-02 03:07:14 AM
The mad scientist is the only thing this show has going for it. The dialogue is horribly written and often cringe-inducing (although the scientist and his clone-kid can be amusing). And WTF is with those horrible block-letters?
 
2008-10-02 03:34:39 AM
Finally got Firefly and Serenity from Blockbuster Online. Truth be told, I only got it because Nathan Fillion was farking hilarious in Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. Man, what the hell was I waiting for?

Also, full agreement on Ms. Staite.
 
2008-10-02 03:38:06 AM
Fringe is awful, it makes me long for the realism of Lost.
 
2008-10-02 03:40:50 AM
Speaking of Captain Tightpants, has anyone seen Speed? I know it was only on for two? episodes, but I'll hunt it down if he's worth it.

/he's always worth it
//he's got a new show "Castle" coming out
 
2008-10-02 03:52:45 AM
Fringe has just started here. I'm a bit hesitant to get into it though, as I just bet the station is going to bone it after a few episodes, just like they always do. And yet, 2 and a half men seems to be on all the time...booo.
 
2008-10-02 04:00:39 AM
Watching Fringe, I find myself wondering how they pitched the show..

Pitch man: "It's like X-Files season 2 meets X-Files season 3!"
Executive: "Wow! No other show has thought of that before!"
 
2008-10-02 04:06:55 AM
global wombats: srtpointman: Something tells me I should watch Firefly. I wonder if it's on Hulu?

Don't bother. Cowboys in space, stupid! awesome!


As we say on Fark, FTFY
 
Poe
2008-10-02 04:54:01 AM
Make all the X-Files comparisons you want, but you would never see Scully come home to a dinner of dry cereal and JD.

It is not the best show evar, but there is certainly worse stuff on TV these days, and given the track record of JJ Abrams, I am willing to give it a little time to settle in and fill in some of the backstory/mythos stuff.
 
2008-10-02 04:55:16 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

DING DING DING

Winner winner, chicken dinner. Fox did everything short of showing clips of Gigli as advertising in order to kill Firefly.


If Firefly was so good, that shouldn't have mattered.
 
2008-10-02 06:01:35 AM
They're doing the same thing to the Terminator show. Running it against football and "Dancing with the Stars" and playing the episodes out of order. So even though the DVD is doing well, they're probably going to cancel it. I don't know what they put in the cocaine over at Fox but the execs can't handle it.
 
2008-10-02 06:10:08 AM
FIREFLY > Fringe

/that is all
 
2008-10-02 07:31:13 AM
Watched two episodes of Fringe (missed the pilot.) The Old Man Baby and the Light Gun. My observations:

Poor dialogue.
Bland characterization (Jackson is simply playing an older Pacey, and the old man's mental illness is more of a parody of mental illness than anything else.)

No mystery. Both episodes began with some strange stuff, but by the end everything was completely and utterly solved.
 
2008-10-02 07:33:37 AM
CarnySaur: Occam's Chainsaw: SilentStrider: probably because they didn't bury it on Fridays and show episodes out of order.

DING DING DING

Winner winner, chicken dinner. Fox did everything short of showing clips of Gigli as advertising in order to kill Firefly.

If Firefly was so good, that shouldn't have mattered.


I remember being that innocent and trusting. Vaguely ;)
 
2008-10-02 07:51:25 AM
Fringe is horrible.
 
2008-10-02 08:06:44 AM
CarnySaur: If Firefly was so good, that shouldn't have mattered.

Care to explain how "The Simple Life" with Paris Hilton managed to last so long, or any reality TV show?
 
2008-10-02 08:08:32 AM
It just goes to show that when you put a really shiatty show on after your biggest hit people will not change the channel. The ratings for the premiere were rather miserable. The 2nd episode was on after House and the ratings suddenly skyrocket. Coincidence?

/it wasn't word of mouth about how awesome "Fringe" is
 
2008-10-02 08:13:42 AM
Shadowknight: The show (Fringe) is decent, but it would be nothing without the mad scientist Walter Bishop. That guy gets so many laughs out of me it's not even funny. Well, actually, I suppose it is. That's why I'm laughing. Or something. Regardless, his insane ramblings and his son Peter's exasperation at him is a lot of fun, and seeing their respective genius bouncing off each other is a damn good time.

This.

The rest of the show seems phoned in especially the lead who has zero charisma. But Walter as the mad scientist that's actually mad is fun every time he's on screen.
 
2008-10-02 08:14:53 AM
Mr_Smartypants: bobbette Just to critique, I hated the X-files because it took paranormal shiat too seriously. Bigfoot is not real. Haunted houses are not probable.

It wasn't haunted. It was a left cheek sneak!



Perhaps my favorite Mulder line, ever.
 
2008-10-02 08:19:18 AM
Fringe is better than Lost (that's not saying a lot). However, I think that the execs pretty much went with the "we can't remake the X-Files - what's the closest thing that we can do with the talentless hack writers we have today" theory of television production.

/Keep the mad scientist and drop the female robot character.
 
2008-10-02 08:20:09 AM
How many different ways can they come up with to tie Walter and his research to the various "crimes" they commit? Maybe instead of just waiting for something to react to, just sit him down and go over every damn project he ever worked on because it appears it's all just his research coming back to haunt them.

/hasn't seen this weeks episode yet
//doesn't know if the pattern still holds
 
2008-10-02 08:21:06 AM
They haven't cancelled Cringe yet?


/that show blows rhinoceros cock
 
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