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(Lycos.com)   Suicide Bombers kill 40 at Chechen Govt Headquarters   (news.lycos.com) divider line 104
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2002-12-27 12:07:06 PM
Okay, can we go to war yet? Seriously, my trigger finger is getting mighty itchy.
 
2002-12-27 12:08:48 PM
jerks.
 
2002-12-27 12:09:52 PM
Putin is going to be unable to hold Bush's hand during the conquest of Iraq, Pootie's got many problems of his own to solve.
 
2002-12-27 12:09:57 PM
(makes note not to visit Grozny for another 10 years)
 
2002-12-27 12:10:34 PM
Now how will this be spun......
 
43%
2002-12-27 12:11:53 PM
This has to be the US's fault. Everything is the US's fault.

waiting...waiting...waiting...
 
2002-12-27 12:16:02 PM
I thought the Chechens were activists not terrorists.
 
2002-12-27 12:16:36 PM
So, we make a deal with the ruskies such that we help them carpet bomb Chechnya, and they help us carpet bomb Iraq?

Can't we all just... get along ?
 
2002-12-27 12:17:19 PM
It makes me sick when politicians like Bush want to go to war against threats that are not at their height, simply because of something personal or for a resource, while at the same time, crap like this should tell the world there are more serious things that need attention.

North Korea? Sure it's a tense situation, but things were better than ever until Bush messed things up with his "Axis of Evil" comment.

Saddam? Yeah he deserves to go, but why now? Why not in the first Gulf War? Why make such bad excuses?

Whereas Chechnia and the Middle East deserve serious scrutiny. I don't understand how such a "devout" Christian like Bush could stand by and watch as the Israelis shelled Bethlehem and occupied it. I don't see how Bush could accept the outcome of the Russian opera house seige, now this, and not put pressure on the Ruskies.

Bah, I hate them all, when both sides have all this blood on their hands, like Chechnia and the Middle East, we should nuke the entire region and hope the next try goes better.
 
2002-12-27 12:17:46 PM
I'm confused...is this Carter's fault or Clinton's fault?

Who's the scapegoat this week?
 
2002-12-27 12:17:49 PM
This is all the US's fault.
 
2002-12-27 12:18:37 PM
I aim to please.
 
2002-12-27 12:18:38 PM
I just can't get enough of those peace-loving Muslims.
 
2002-12-27 12:19:31 PM

ok am i supposed to root for the Russians or not? Example: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/5622-10.cfm

Seriously, are these mofo's terrorists or "freedom fighters". They're Islamic, so that might explain their suicidal tendencies, but does that make them ALL the bad guys?

 
2002-12-27 12:19:53 PM
maybe Russia should just leave Chechnya alone? oh yeah, that's right, then they wouldn't have access to all that oil...

sound familiar folks? i mean, wtf would Russia want with someplace like Chechnya aside from oil?
 
2002-12-27 12:20:05 PM
Somebody find these bombers and punish them to the full extent of the law!!!
 
2002-12-27 12:21:38 PM
Islam, the religion of peace, and you better beleive it or they will kill you to prove it.
 
2002-12-27 12:21:49 PM
Crackhead: Seriously, are these mofo's terrorists or "freedom fighters".

As George Carlin said, "if crimefighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight?"
 
2002-12-27 12:23:09 PM
I guess allah was willing this time
 
2002-12-27 12:24:48 PM
"...the explosion crater is about six meters (13 feet)," Kravchenko said "

Uhmn, who's doing the math here? Six meters is quite a bit more than 13 feet.. right?
 
2002-12-27 12:25:26 PM
I SERIOUSLY doubt it was the peace-luvin Muslims who did this. I'm sure it was America's fault.
 
2002-12-27 12:25:48 PM
"Saddam? Yeah he deserves to go, but why now? Why not in the first Gulf War?"

Because you can't travel back in time.
 
2002-12-27 12:26:27 PM
I'm confused now.

What's the difference between "guerillas" and terrorists?
 
2002-12-27 12:27:39 PM
6 meters = 13 feet sounds about right. A meter is somewhere between 2 and 3 feet.
 
43%
2002-12-27 12:27:58 PM
It makes me sick when politicians like Bush want to go to war against threats that are not at their height, simply because of something personal or for a resource, while at the same time, crap like this should tell the world there are more serious things that need attention.

farking UN. the UN. Security council resolutions. Cease fire agreements. CHRIST. How in the hell is the UN supposed to enforce its resolutions when nobody will let them.

And. If I am not mistaken, many countries are capable of foreign policy multitasking. Just because something is going on in Iraq doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to quit functioning.

This is what North Korea is counting on, and frankly, the world doesn't work this way and NK is going to learn this lesson again(every time 'something' in the world happens, NK chimes in with an empty threat thinking the world can't handle it)

Some old foreign policy crap. Different calender year. Nothnig to see here. please move along.
 
2002-12-27 12:29:38 PM
1 meter is 3.28 feet.

6 meters is 19.68 feet.

-l
 
2002-12-27 12:29:43 PM
NK is using threats because that is what Bush responds to. All he knows how to do is give his fake-cowboy speeches and threaten people.
 
43%
2002-12-27 12:31:24 PM
sound familiar folks? i mean, wtf would Russia want with someplace like Chechnya aside from oil?

Russia is a federation of quite a few regions. If one is allowed to leave the federation, many may want to. This would fragment the federation and create a plethora of new one-horse countries which may or may not be able to sustain themselves.

But that analysis may be too complex for you. If so, seek shelter in the embrace of those three little letters. O.I.L.
 
2002-12-27 12:32:38 PM
Ironbar I really hope you are right about the "fake" part. Problem is, he is dumb as a bag of hammers. He has also never been told "NO" all througout his spoiled childhood. I think he will send a lot of good Americans to their death unneccessarily.
 
2002-12-27 12:35:34 PM
while i don't agree with the suicide bombers, i also don't agree with russia
they shoudl just leave them alone
but one thing i like about the russians is, they don't fark around
when they took that theater and held hostages, they over ran it, not the most PC method to stop it, but it got it done
 
2002-12-27 12:36:38 PM
But that analysis may be too complex for you. If so, seek shelter in the embrace of those three little letters. O.I.L.

yes, too complex for me. thanks. i mean, i only write software that does O&G exploration for companies like Shell(maybe you've heard of them). so, i mean, what the hell would i know about O.I.L. , seeing as how i spend about 2 days a week in meetings with geologists....

What is wrong with those countries leaving? they contribute little to nothing to Mother Russia aside from oil.
 
2002-12-27 12:37:36 PM
I was working in Russia when the war in Chechnya started. Instantly the pay raises we were promised were gone (never to be seen again) and my students and friends warned that Yeltsyn's policy would end in disaster.

Then the papers started showing pictures of crippled soldiers and critical articles. Yeltsyn reacted with that fine Nixonian/Reaganesque/Bushyite response-"You're all against Us! You're not patriotic!" But everybody I knew knew better.
Gosh, it was nice to live in a country where people can question their government...
 
2002-12-27 12:39:38 PM
Spoonfed'sBuddy: I think he will send a lot of good Americans to their death unneccessarily.

Whatever happened to good ol' lobbin' missiles from 2000 miles away? Bill Maher may call it cowardice, but we still got the bombs!

Why not split Chechnya in half. Let the rebels take one half, and make their own little country, and Russia takes the other? then, if the rebel base stays afloat, they can thumb their noses and say "I told you so" and if they fall apart, it can go the other way around.

That, or give them each a flag and lots of paintballs.
 
2002-12-27 12:39:46 PM
I can't believe I actually got a link posted. 4th try ever. What do I win?
 
2002-12-27 12:41:08 PM
12-27-02 12:32:38 PM Spoonfed'sBuddy


He is a fake cowboy.

He went Andover Prep, Yale and then Harvard. As fake as fake can get, and I can't think of a good simile, either.

His daddy got him the NG stint, his daddy got him dan near everything, even a presidency.

I don't know how Putin can act like he's taking him seriously when they show them meeting on TV.

Putin was taking the heat for the Kursk disaster while candidate happy-crack was bouncing around the USA talking incoherent nonsense.


Putin has a hell of a weight on his shoulders.
 
2002-12-27 12:41:15 PM
geh, there was supposed to be a </leary> after that 'we got the bombs'
 
2002-12-27 12:41:16 PM
Most of the oil in Chechnya is used up, that's not why the Russians are still there. In the first Chechen war, the Russians got their asses handed to them and withdrew. Problem was, the Chechens were doing things like blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow and invading Dagestan and Ingushetia, other regions of Russia. Because of this, the Russians came back and are currently in a really farked up war. I thought the Chechens were morally in the right in the first war, but not this time. They conduct terrorist activities in Moscow and whatnot, to hell with them.
 
2002-12-27 12:42:58 PM
Interesting that both that this article and the one on Yahoo left out Islam(ic) from the story.

Of course maybe they were non-demoninational sucide bombers.
 
2002-12-27 12:43:40 PM
Originally the Chechens were not particularly Muslim but they have been turning into religious fanatics.
 
2002-12-27 12:45:08 PM
Fu


"Why not split Chechnya in half. Let the rebels take one half, and make their own little country, and Russia takes the other?"

The UN did the same thing to Palistine when it created Israel. What do you suppose might happen if the UN did the same in Russia?


"Whatever happened to good ol' lobbin' missiles from 2000 miles away?"

We have been doing that in various skirmishes that have been going on lately. My sister is a member of the national guard. Many of her friends are being mobilized and are being trained for urban combat. Since she is a medic, and they are in short supply, it is likely that she will be sent to Iraq in the event of a war. We will suffer many casualties in an urban combat setting
 
2002-12-27 12:45:20 PM
Chechnya's oil MAY be sliding, but it's prime real estate for pipelines.
 
2002-12-27 12:45:31 PM
like that guy turning into the incredible hulk?
 
43%
2002-12-27 12:47:11 PM
What is wrong with those countries leaving? they contribute little to nothing to Mother Russia aside from oil.

Obviously, it was too complex for you.

They are mother Russia. Without the constituent republics, there is no Russia.

Like i said-- 'it's the oil' is just a shortcut to thinking.
 
2002-12-27 12:52:32 PM
thank you for educating me, 43%. i'm glad you know so much about international politics, especially Russia's. It seems to me like there have been some other countries that have left the mother, and there is not mass bloodshed there...
 
2002-12-27 12:52:50 PM
So... is the Russian federation comparable to Canada, and Chechnya to Quebec? Sorry for the inane question; I'm just trying to find a frame of reference. Doesn't seem like there are many successful "federations" out there, aside from the NA countries.
 
43%
2002-12-27 12:55:41 PM
DirkValentine

Which other oblasts or republics have left the russian federation?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me.
 
2002-12-27 12:57:34 PM
"North Korea? Sure it's a tense situation, but things were better than ever until Bush messed things up with his "Axis of Evil" comment."

North Korea and better than ever in the same sentence. ROCK ON!

I've got news for you.. During the Clinton administration many we thought we were going to goto war with North Korea. More military people I knew got stationed there than anywhere else. We expected the North Koreans to invade the South. I wouldn't call that "better than ever".

Also I wouldn't consider North Korean political prisoners being tortured "better than ever".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,757783,00.html
"Tens of thousands of political prisoners face starvation, torture and summary execution in prison camps in North Korea, according to the testimony of a prisoner to a US Senate inquiry."

http://www.house.gov/international_relations/lee0502.htm
 
j0n
2002-12-27 12:59:56 PM
Christianity is the religion of peace
 
2002-12-27 01:02:55 PM
43%

you appear to be a smug jackass who likes to insult people to make yourself feel smarter and better. all i know about you is that you play really shallow music and have a pitiful approach to discussing something amongst strangers.

so, i'll be getting back to my work now, as i fear i have no time to play with you.
 
2002-12-27 01:06:42 PM
Dirk True, it is a good spot for the pipeline, but Russia could probably circumvent Chechnya entirely if it had to.
 
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