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2008-09-27 07:50:31 PM
Clever Neologism: It is exactly thoughts like these that sustain the very phenomenon described: the fallacy that evolutionary psychology is more powerful than our concious ability to make decisions contrary to them.

If everyone collectively believes that there is no way to get rid of it is very likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.


lol thats just stupid...like it says in the article, women want to be attracted to nice guys, they just farking aint. This is no 'sustaining the phenomenon' this is just the way it is. get over it.
 
2008-09-27 07:50:31 PM
Clever Neologism: It is exactly thoughts like these that sustain the very phenomenon described: the fallacy that evolutionary psychology is more powerful than our concious ability to make decisions contrary to them.

If everyone collectively believes that there is no way to get rid of it is very likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.


lol thats just stupid...like it says in the article, women want to be attracted to nice guys, they just fatrking aint. This is no 'sustaining the phenomenon' this is just the way it is. get over it.
 
2008-09-27 07:50:32 PM
INeedAName: You can be an Alpha male and not be a total ahole.

Alpha males are confident and sure of themselves. But we can still listen to other people and allow them have their own opinions before we take a shiat in their cornflakes and tell them how worthless they are.

Sorry, I made the same alpha male joke as everyone else, but it's true. In life you have to be a decision maker, NO ONE (not just women) respects a guy who can't make a decision.


Thing is the asshole usually makes his decision without having all the facts, and usually makes the wrong one. That's why he's an asshole.

The guy that takes more time and gets all the information he can before making his decision usually makes the better decision, but is somehow seen by some women as being "indecisive".

Works that way in politics too, the current occupant of the white house being a good example of this.

Yes, it is f*cked up.
 
2008-09-27 07:50:32 PM
Yeah...India Knight is a (rather poor) romance novelist and diet book author. Take her advice sparingly.

This is still the best advice for men that I've read: Be as much like James Bond as you can, except for the infidelity, compulsive gambling, chain smoking, and killing people parts.
Link (new window)
 
2008-09-27 07:51:51 PM
Speak for yourself, I'm into geeky guys.
 
2008-09-27 07:52:08 PM
Not all women are that way.

My husband is one of those 'beta' guys. Can't make a decision to save his life. He 'yes dear's me until I want to strangle him. Trying to bounce an idea off of him is like throwing a penny down a well. He's always giving me what I want, doing things for me, cleaning, cooking, getting me chocolate if I'm crampy - all without being asked.

For our entire marriage, I've tried to get him to make an actual decision in our lives together. Every time something had to be decided, I'd ask him what he wanted. I begged him to argue with me, since no one can agree with another 100% of the time like he claims to.

Then he tried to dominate me by force.

So we're separated now, divorcing once our year is up, and I've learned my lesson about those sweet, innocent, milquetoast men. Ticking timebombs. They can't resist the urge to dominate forever.

At least a 'bad boy' is laying it all out on the line at the beginning. If he's an ass when you meet him, he may mellow, or he may stay an ass. At least it isn't a bait and switch.

/Don't like the bad boys either.
//Prefer women.
 
2008-09-27 07:53:14 PM
I've yet to meet an alpha male type I find attractive at all and the sexist ones just make me want to kick them in the jimmies. Now I don't care for metrosexual nancy-boy types either, but here is a lot of room in the middle for normal, decent guys.
 
2008-09-27 07:53:21 PM
MidnightSkulker: //Prefer women.

*clicks profile*

Awwww......no pics. Damnit.
 
2008-09-27 07:53:21 PM
Dispector: Genevieve Marie: Every time I read something like this, I call my boyfriend and tell him I love him,

Apparently he is a completely unique and rare find.

Out of curiosity, what is "unique and rare find"?


Incredibly smart and successful at everything he puts his mind to. Reads a lot. Confident and able to hold his own with anyone he meets. Good looking and in good shape. Great in bed. And at the same time, completely sweet, caring, trustworthy and kind.
 
2008-09-27 07:54:16 PM
Byno: rava: that's true. but there's something pretty hot about a guy who doesn't mind talking a little shiat to you.

Ballsiest pickup line of the week:

Friend: I like your hair (to pre-cougar)

Mark: Thanks (clearly bemused)

Friend: [continuing] how often do you have to color it?

Mark: [instant interest]


I think what's appealing is when you hear the same thing guy after guy, it's the one who says something different that catches your attention. The one who creates a challenge, who isn't immediately available. I'm the first to admit my type is alpha males.
 
2008-09-27 07:54:59 PM
Genevieve Marie: Incredibly smart and successful at everything he puts his mind to. Reads a lot. Confident and able to hold his own with anyone he meets. Good looking and in good shape. Great in bed. And at the same time, completely sweet, caring, trustworthy and kind.

You're married to Barack Obama? Somebody better tell Michelle. Maybe he's a Mormon. Or maybe you're married to Romney?
 
2008-09-27 07:55:18 PM
Approve of this assessment:
blogs.mediavillage.com

/hotlinked like Christina Hendricks' sweet ass
 
2008-09-27 07:55:55 PM
rava: I think what's appealing is when you hear the same thing guy after guy, it's the one who says something different that catches your attention. The one who creates a challenge, who isn't immediately available. I'm the first to admit my type is alpha males.

This is what women want.
 
2008-09-27 07:55:58 PM
Richard Pye: MidnightSkulker: //Prefer women.

*clicks profile*

Awwww......no pics. Damnit.


I'm a fat chick. Comfortable, confident fat chick, but still a fat chick. No one wants fat chick profile pics on Fark.
 
2008-09-27 07:56:13 PM
Richard Pye: You're married to Barack Obama? Somebody better tell Michelle. Maybe he's a Mormon. Or maybe you're married to Romney?

Nah, he's not narcissistic enough to ever enter politics.
 
2008-09-27 07:56:29 PM
roissy.wordpress.com
 
2008-09-27 07:56:47 PM
MidnightSkulker: Not all women are that way.

My husband is one of those 'beta' guys. Can't make a decision to save his life. He 'yes dear's me until I want to strangle him. Trying to bounce an idea off of him is like throwing a penny down a well. He's always giving me what I want, doing things for me, cleaning, cooking, getting me chocolate if I'm crampy - all without being asked.

For our entire marriage, I've tried to get him to make an actual decision in our lives together. Every time something had to be decided, I'd ask him what he wanted. I begged him to argue with me, since no one can agree with another 100% of the time like he claims to.

Then he tried to dominate me by force.

So we're separated now, divorcing once our year is up, and I've learned my lesson about those sweet, innocent, milquetoast men. Ticking timebombs. They can't resist the urge to dominate forever.

At least a 'bad boy' is laying it all out on the line at the beginning. If he's an ass when you meet him, he may mellow, or he may stay an ass. At least it isn't a bait and switch.

/Don't like the bad boys either.
//Prefer women.


I find your story extremely pathetic. Ask me why.
 
2008-09-27 07:57:38 PM
Richard Pye: rava: I think what's appealing is when you hear the same thing guy after guy, it's the one who says something different that catches your attention. The one who creates a challenge, who isn't immediately available. I'm the first to admit my type is alpha males.

This is what women want.


we want lots of things, but not all the same thing.
 
2008-09-27 07:58:05 PM
MidnightSkulker: Richard Pye: MidnightSkulker: //Prefer women.

*clicks profile*

Awwww......no pics. Damnit.

I'm a fat chick. Comfortable, confident fat chick, but still a fat chick. No one wants fat chick profile pics on Fark.


Depends on which parts are "fat"...

/hiyo!
 
2008-09-27 07:58:06 PM
This article is weak. The base of the story is fine but then claiming murder suicides are on the rise is stupid. Back that up with some facts. The same was said about school shootings but it turns out we just hear about them more often but they were actually down.

Its not ok be be an alpha male but we are supposed to just accept a super feminist? Lame. Work is war and if you are weak you lose.
 
2008-09-27 07:59:50 PM
Power=attraction.

It's just that simple. Evolutionary psychology's right on this one.
 
2008-09-27 08:00:11 PM
Terrified Asexual Forcemeat:
I find your story extremely pathetic. Ask me why.


Feel free to tell me why. This is the internet, no one has to ask for your opinion, and I'd not have posted if I weren't prepared to be disagreed with.
 
2008-09-27 08:00:38 PM
MidnightSkulker: This is the internet

No it isn't.
 
2008-09-27 08:00:54 PM
nude-fox: prediciting a slew of women comming in here to say how they actually like sensitive men and this artical does not pertain to them at all.

I predict that either this thread will fall flat, or it will be overtaken by mewling, snot-nosed emo kids insisting that if you play nice, you'll come out A-okay in the end. Bull-farking-shi'ite. Life isn't like Napoleon Dynamite. If you act like that, you are a loser, and people will not respect you. If you don't want to change, just redefine happiness and success--then get out of our way.

The whole reason we have all these rules in society about being nice and polite is so that the powerful can stay on top. The more aggressive you are, the better your chances at achieving any goal in life. The rich/powerful can be assholes all they want because they are assholes and have the means to protect themselves, but if you act up, they swat you down.

Men and women are very much alike. The gender differences are, for the most part, just social constructs and development differences as a result. Check out some other cultures, and that concept is verified. As a result of their being so much alike, you can guarantee one thing: they're all assholes.

Successful people seek out successful people. We don't want to be held back. Luckily, for you limp-wristed, tampon-changing guys out there, you can hook up with another loser out of desperation, and you can even convince yourself that you're happy with an unhealthy, lazy cow who secretly dreams of getting with someone rich and pretty on the tv. Meanwhile, you're beat'n it on the internet wishing the same thing and watching your beergut grow.

Treat your fellow (wo)man like the trash (s)he is: either a sycophantic stepping stone or a competitor looking to stab you in the back.
 
2008-09-27 08:01:59 PM
ban_sidhe: I've yet to meet an alpha male type I find attractive at all and the sexist ones just make me want to kick them in the jimmies. Now I don't care for metrosexual nancy-boy types either, but here is a lot of room in the middle for normal, decent guys.

Testify!

I think too many women confuse assholery with confidence. That's where the myth that 'women prefer douchebags' comes from.
 
2008-09-27 08:02:48 PM
Richard Pye: MidnightSkulker: This is the internet

No it isn't.


I'm going to go draw on black tears with eyeliner and slit my wrists the wrong way now.
 
2008-09-27 08:03:09 PM
Ringshadow: Speak for yourself, I'm into geeky guys.

Yes, because you have low self-esteem and are afraid being unworthy or of a mate who might draw competition.

(applause)

But srsly, being an "alpha male" is as simple as being assertive and not stupid. Walk with your head up, eyes open, and mouth closed. Make eye-contact with everyone you speak to. Don't dress like a douche bag, don't run your mouth for the sake of running it or when you get nervous, remember that other peoples' problems are not your problems unless they ask for your help, and most importantly of all: tactfully refuse to take shiat from anyone.
 
2008-09-27 08:03:24 PM
I hate it when guys are all mushy. It makes me feel unprotected and kind of manly... If men have penises, they should act like they have 'em.
/as long as they don't hit me
//or yell
 
2008-09-27 08:03:35 PM
Do you know why the area between a woman's belly and her vagina is called the "waist"?

A: Because another pair of boobs could easily fit there.
 
2008-09-27 08:04:23 PM
SemperLieSuckah: But srsly, being an "alpha male" is as simple as being assertive and not stupid. Walk with your head up, eyes open, and mouth closed. Make eye-contact with everyone you speak to. Don't dress like a douche bag, don't run your mouth for the sake of running it or when you get nervous, remember that other peoples' problems are not your problems unless they ask for your help, and most importantly of all: tactfully refuse to take shiat from anyone.

One caveat, don't take any advice from Fark about how to conduct yourself in the real world. That road leads to madness.
 
2008-09-27 08:05:56 PM
SemperLieSuckah: Walk with your head up, eyes open, and mouth closed. Make eye-contact with everyone you speak to. Don't dress like a douche bag, don't run your mouth for the sake of running it or when you get nervous, remember that other peoples' problems are not your problems unless they ask for your help, and most importantly of all: tactfully refuse to take shiat from anyone.

*swoon*

/does that make me an alpha female, then?
 
2008-09-27 08:06:26 PM
Madbassist1: Clever Neologism: It is exactly thoughts like these that sustain the very phenomenon described: the fallacy that evolutionary psychology is more powerful than our concious ability to make decisions contrary to them.

If everyone collectively believes that there is no way to get rid of it is very likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

lol thats just stupid...like it says in the article, women want to be attracted to nice guys, they just fatrking aint. This is no 'sustaining the phenomenon' this is just the way it is. get over it.


I want to like black people, I just can't.
I want to treat women as equals, I just can't.
I want to not be attracted to sluts, I just can't.
I want to learn to enjoy reading, I just can't.

These are some more examples of this line of thinking. It is quite easy to do, in fact: every time you see an asshole alpha male, imagine him beating you to a pulp, killing puppies mercilessly, or some other equally non-appealing thing. Our entire system of thought is largely one large set of positive and negative feedbacks: exploit them to do what *you* want.

The answer to racism as seeing black people as sub-human is to constantly remind yourself they have families, desires, wants, the love, laugh, etc. Whatever it is that you don't like about them, constantly reinforce the opposite: if you think black people are stupid, continually think of Neil DeGrasse Tyson or Washinton Carver. If you think they are criminals, constantly reinforce the idea of black sherriffs and law officers.

Don't want to be attracted to sluts? Well, I don't want to gross anyone out, but just imagine fluid coming out of bad places.

Don't enjoy reading? Constantly reinforce the idea that smart, successful, people that accomplish things in life read, and you want to be smart. How do you think parents teach their children their values? Constant reinforcement, positive or negative. The primary dividing line, mentally, between children and grownups is the ability to apply your own reinforcements, and choose your mindset. Unfortunately, some people never reach this stage.
 
2008-09-27 08:07:26 PM
Nels: Men and women are very much alike. The gender differences are, for the most part, just social constructs and development differences as a result. Check out some other cultures, and that concept is verified. As a result of their being so much alike, you can guarantee one thing: they're all assholes.

I guess that is why there are so many civilizations where the women were the warriors and hunters?

Women have always had the burden of child rearing and the lass aggressive jobs. To claim otherwise is idiotic. Men and women are different, get over it.

Just as the pretty little snowflakes are not equal.
 
2008-09-27 08:08:04 PM
I predict that either this thread will fall flat, or it will be overtaken by mewling, snot-nosed emo kids insisting that if you play nice, you'll come out A-okay in the end. Bull-farking-shi'ite. Life isn't like Napoleon Dynamite. If you act like that, you are a loser, and people will not respect you. If you don't want to change, just redefine happiness and success--then get out of our way.

The whole reason we have all these rules in society about being nice and polite is so that the powerful can stay on top. The more aggressive you are, the better your chances at achieving any goal in life. The rich/powerful can be assholes all they want because they are assholes and have the means to protect themselves, but if you act up, they swat you down.

Men and women are very much alike. The gender differences are, for the most part, just social constructs and development differences as a result. Check out some other cultures, and that concept is verified. As a result of their being so much alike, you can guarantee one thing: they're all assholes.

Successful people seek out successful people. We don't want to be held back. Luckily, for you limp-wristed, tampon-changing guys out there, you can hook up with another loser out of desperation, and you can even convince yourself that you're happy with an unhealthy, lazy cow who secretly dreams of getting with someone rich and pretty on the tv. Meanwhile, you're beat'n it on the internet wishing the same thing and watching your beergut grow.

Treat your fellow (wo)man like the trash (s)he is: either a sycophantic stepping stone or a competitor looking to stab you in the back.



Backing...slowly...out...of...thread
 
2008-09-27 08:08:28 PM
I turned one Halloween into a social experiment.

Not to sound like the 26 minutes guy, but I do work out a lot, on average like 3 times a week. So one Halloween I went as a douchebag - pink dress shirt with the sleeves rolled up, collar popped, hair cropped short, visor, a Miller Lite Halloween necklace, and black dress shoes. I also acted as loud and as douchey as possible.

The girls were all over me that night. So I don't recommend being a douchebag, but if you wanna act like one for a night, you'll score easily.
 
2008-09-27 08:08:34 PM
SemperLieSuckah: )

But srsly, being an "alpha male" is as simple as being assertive and not stupid. Walk with your head up, eyes open, and mouth closed. Make eye-contact with everyone you speak to. Don't dress like a douche bag, don't run your mouth for the sake of running it or when you get nervous, remember that other peoples' problems are not your problems unless they ask for your help, and most importantly of all: tactfully refuse to take shiat from anyone.


www.memecat.com

/Woud like a word
 
2008-09-27 08:09:36 PM
SemperLieSuckah: Ringshadow: Speak for yourself, I'm into geeky guys.

Yes, because you have low self-esteem and are afraid being unworthy or of a mate who might draw competition.

(applause)

But srsly, being an "alpha male" is as simple as being assertive and not stupid. Walk with your head up, eyes open, and mouth closed. Make eye-contact with everyone you speak to. Don't dress like a douche bag, don't run your mouth for the sake of running it or when you get nervous, remember that other peoples' problems are not your problems unless they ask for your help, and most importantly of all: tactfully refuse to take shiat from anyone.


Or... I might like guys that have similar tastes to me?

*bounces d20 off your forehead* Roll initiative, biatch.
 
2008-09-27 08:10:00 PM
I have two penises, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2008-09-27 08:10:47 PM
Clever Neologism: Madbassist1: Clever Neologism: It is exactly thoughts like these that sustain the very phenomenon described: the fallacy that evolutionary psychology is more powerful than our concious ability to make decisions contrary to them.

If everyone collectively believes that there is no way to get rid of it is very likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

lol thats just stupid...like it says in the article, women want to be attracted to nice guys, they just fatrking aint. This is no 'sustaining the phenomenon' this is just the way it is. get over it.

I want to like black people, I just can't.
I want to treat women as equals, I just can't.
I want to not be attracted to sluts, I just can't.
I want to learn to enjoy reading, I just can't.

blah blah blah psychobabble bullshiat...Unfortunately, some people never reach this stage.


That's the makings of some major league neuroses, there, Einstein.
Constantly denying yourself the things you want or the way you feel will lead you right into a mental institution.
 
2008-09-27 08:12:26 PM
www.wallpaperez.net

Oblig?
 
2008-09-27 08:12:27 PM
Ravie: Power=attraction.

It's just that simple. Evolutionary psychology's right on this one.


Evolutionary psychology only provides the default position (hating people not like you, seeing women as inferior, equating social dominance with desirability, liking or not liking blondes, etc.). I would hope that at least some portion of us have gotten over the previous examples.
 
2008-09-27 08:12:40 PM
TheRedMonkey: Nels: Men and women are very much alike. The gender differences are, for the most part, just social constructs and development differences as a result. Check out some other cultures, and that concept is verified. As a result of their being so much alike, you can guarantee one thing: they're all assholes.

I guess that is why there are so many civilizations where the women were the warriors and hunters?

Women have always had the burden of child rearing and the lass aggressive jobs. To claim otherwise is idiotic. Men and women are different, get over it.

Just as the pretty little snowflakes are not equal.


I'd try to explain very basic scientific principles to you, but I keep getting this mental image of Sam Kinison screaming, "AHHHHHHH! AHHHHHH! I'M IN HELL!"

Aww, shucks. I'll try: Yes, it's cultural. We have female soldiers now. We have male nurses. There are basic biological differences.

However, people in the same culture tend to think very much alike. That was my point. Regardless of gender, we're all self-absorbed. If you're not self-absorbed, you suck at surviving.
 
2008-09-27 08:13:30 PM
Miss Smartass: I hate it when guys are all mushy. It makes me feel unprotected and kind of manly... If men have penises, they should act like they have 'em.
/as long as they don't hit me
//or yell


From profile: "Yeah, I'm 13."

You were in a relationship with someone who hit and yelled at you? Did he look like this?

usera.imagecave.com
 
2008-09-27 08:14:18 PM
Smellvin: Women are attracted to men who will give them viable, healthy, successful offspring (whether they intend on having children or not). And what single aspect -- ignoring mating for the moment -- leads most to being able to successfully pass on your genes as a male? Whoever is the biggest, best asshole wins.

If you're an asshole, you'll always do well. That other guy taking up the prime sunning spot on the rock which would make you 5% more happy and therefore efficient collecting food for the rest of the day? Beat him up and push that little biatch of the sunning spot. After all, it's YOURS. If you don't have food, you'll be able to steal it from someone else. Hell, you'll probably hit them over the head with a large rock and eat them. The point is, you're going to survive; therefore, your kid with your asshole genes probably will survive and thrive just like you.

/Only about 70% asshole, personally.


Yes, but revenge is much sweeter.
 
2008-09-27 08:14:19 PM
Nels: If you're not self-absorbed, you suck at surviving masturbating.

FTFY
 
2008-09-27 08:14:23 PM
This is way too complicated. To hell with it, at least I can be myself around a hooker.
 
2008-09-27 08:14:39 PM
SemperLieSuckah: Miss Smartass: I hate it when guys are all mushy. It makes me feel unprotected and kind of manly... If men have penises, they should act like they have 'em.
/as long as they don't hit me
//or yell

From profile: "Yeah, I'm 13."

You were in a relationship with someone who hit and yelled at you? Did he look like this?


Launch Chris Hansen

/For Great Justice
 
2008-09-27 08:14:39 PM
MidnightSkulker: Not all women are that way.

My husband is one of those 'beta' guys. Can't make a decision to save his life. He 'yes dear's me until I want to strangle him. Trying to bounce an idea off of him is like throwing a penny down a well. He's always giving me what I want, doing things for me, cleaning, cooking, getting me chocolate if I'm crampy - all without being asked.

For our entire marriage, I've tried to get him to make an actual decision in our lives together. Every time something had to be decided, I'd ask him what he wanted. I begged him to argue with me, since no one can agree with another 100% of the time like he claims to.

Then he tried to dominate me by force.

So we're separated now, divorcing once our year is up, and I've learned my lesson about those sweet, innocent, milquetoast men. Ticking timebombs. They can't resist the urge to dominate forever.

At least a 'bad boy' is laying it all out on the line at the beginning. If he's an ass when you meet him, he may mellow, or he may stay an ass. At least it isn't a bait and switch.

/Don't like the bad boys either.
//Prefer women.



So you basically forced your husband to change, and didn't like the results?


He's not the problem. You are.
 
2008-09-27 08:14:57 PM
That's one thing that kills me dealing with women. Most of the time I absolutely could not care less what we eat if we're going out. Chances are I can find something.

Chicks on the other hand are sometimes much more particular. But god forbid you ask them where they want to go for food, it makes you look indecisive to them or something, they hate it.

biatch I KNOW where I want to eat. Somewhere with a big juicy steak I can smother in Srachi and a big pile of mashed potatos. Or some other meat product I can smother with Srachi and also eat. Hopefully there's a chair across the table from me for you to fill also, but if you're gonna give me that look when I ask you where you want to go, maybe I'll just go by myself.

Damn.
 
2008-09-27 08:15:50 PM
SemperLieSuckah: Miss Smartass: I hate it when guys are all mushy. It makes me feel unprotected and kind of manly... If men have penises, they should act like they have 'em.
/as long as they don't hit me
//or yell

From profile: "Yeah, I'm 13."

You were in a relationship with someone who hit and yelled at you? Did he look like this?


Maybe I should reword my previous statement;
I like guys who don't act like stalkers but also don't act like total douches.
No, I haven't been in an abusive relationship, and if I ever was, I'd probably be convicted for murder by now.
And that bear and I are very good friends =]
 
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