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2008-09-24 03:30:58 PM  

meat0918: DROxINxTHExWIND, no one wants to claim responsibility for their failings, black, white, men, women; we all want to pass the buck to that minority or that majority, or the fact the Lions haven't won a Superbowl since God knows when.

Scapegoating is now the American past time.

//and it sucks.

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I agree somewhat, but there is a VERY big difference between bringing up valid concerns and "blaming whitey". What the folks here are attempting to do is to invalidate the entire argument by claiming that extremes are the norm, as the simultaneously tell us to ignore history. They'll tell you that I talk about racism because it benefits me but not one of them can tell me how it actually does. We all know that black people don't go to college for free. I paid my student loans off two years ago. When I was in college I worked 40 hrs/week at a gas station (2-10pm M-F), while taking 18 credits. Yet, to suit their bullshiat argument they'd have you to believe that all a black person has to do is fill out an application and check the "African-American" box to get free tuition.

They simultaneously make the claim that black people put all of their problems on whites who make up almost 80% of the countries population and the don't see the absurdity in them blaming 12% of the population for all of THEIR problems.

Look, I don't think a white person owes me a damned thing. MOST black people feel this way. Its why you don't see any protests (unless there's an incident). It's why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been marginalized by everyone except the Farkers who try to pin their idiocy on the entire black community. These mutherfarkers have the audacity to claim that racism is no langer a factor EVEN AS THEY ADMIT THAT RACE WILL BE A HUGE FACTOR IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

I mean, there's nothing that can be done to get people to be intellectually honest. They'll continue playing the role and parroting the "blacks use racism to extort tuition money from the white community" to prove that we never earn anything. Then, they'll run with the old "there are more blacks in prison than college" to prove that we're all criminals and nothing I say will change their minds.
 
2008-09-24 03:32:44 PM  
Statistical probability and verifiable trends are not concrete, they are predictors.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: I'm arguing based on statistical probability and verifiable trends, not anecdotes. You can't hypothesize that away.


Statistics aren't concrete, they're predictors. Again and again, I'm not saying you aren't a victim of affirmative again.


I disagree that white privilege exists in 2008, and ask for some hard data as proof. I can give you data that black privilege exists.


No, you're asking for bullshiat. I mean, I got a scholarly journal about the persistence of white privilege, but it's dated 2005. You know, it may be outdated by now.

Through your rhetoric, you're trying to assert this: "Black people got it just as good or better than white people in this country." Yes, I'm putting words in your mouth. Tell me I'm wrong and admit it's not true.
 
2008-09-24 03:38:06 PM  

Bonk_Thud: Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: absoluteparanoia: Thanks for helping my ignore list grow larger DRO, you're helping me identify all the racist douchebags who are convinced that the reason they didn't get into Colombia law school is because they're white.

Please explain to me how anything I've said is racist. That is such a non sequitur and straw man, you should be ashamed of yourself. It's all statistically verifiable. Law schools openly admit giving the spots white students would have received to black students, it's simply a mathematical fact. Even the current members of the Supreme Court have stated this, whether they agree with affirmative action or not. How is acknowledging that racist?

Who am I kidding? Just ignore everyone you disagree with and stick your fingers in your ears. *La la la I'm not listening la la la* Very mature.

Yes, but you're insisting that you're one of those people.

And in the same breath you are swearing that there is not a single case in the world of a black people getting held back professionally because he's black. That's being willfully ignorant.


I don't see where they said there is never a case where someone is discriminated against because of their race. It seems to be the argument is that it happens on both sides. Sure, there are cases where those who are not the minority have unfair advantages in the same way minorities have unfair advantages. Pretending like either don't happen is stupid. Arguing which happens more is pretty hard to do unless you cite your personal experiences. I'm not going to call you a liar when you say it is strictly because of the color of your skin you are discriminated against unless you list the reasons why you believe that to be the case. If it was openly said, that is pretty definitive evidence, however if you "believe" it to be true because you were qualified and worked hard - that isn't really clear cut. That goes for the white guy who got rejected from X college or job and for the black guy that didn't get the job they were qualified for or promotion they so desperately worked hard for.

I'm not quite sure what you guys are arguing about, racism exists but nowhere near the same degree it has in the past. There is a lot more diversity and equality today than there was in the past, however it still exists. I don't think racism plays as important of a role today that people make it out to, which is frustrating to those who promote equal opportunity and truly believe the best person for the job should get the job and reward should be based off of effort and merit. Those supporting that idea do need to keep in mind that we aren't a Utopian society and racism still exists however, and some policies still need to remain in place.

I am for reform of policies and procedures, such as I don't think quotas should exist yet they do. Those who do not have equal opportunities should get some support so they are on a level playing field, but from my experience, education particularly does provide equal opportunities in most cases. Those who take advantage of what is provided reap the reward. There are plenty of scholarships out there to support those that financially cannot attain schooling, and that should never go away. Broad scholarships handed strictly because of the color of your skin however should be dissolved.
 
2008-09-24 03:41:43 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I agree somewhat, but there is a VERY big difference between bringing up valid concerns and "blaming whitey".


Actually, that's exactly what you are doing.

What the folks here are attempting to do is to invalidate the entire argument by claiming that extremes are the norm, as the simultaneously tell us to ignore history. They'll tell you that I talk about racism because it benefits me but not one of them can tell me how it actually does. We all know that black people don't go to college for free.

Many of them do, and disproportionately to the number of white students that do, based on application numbers and admissions statistics.

I paid my student loans off two years ago. When I was in college I worked 40 hrs/week at a gas station (2-10pm M-F), while taking 18 credits. Yet, to suit their bullshiat argument they'd have you to believe that all a black person has to do is fill out an application and check the "African-American" box to get free tuition.

That's a straw man and you know it. Nobody is claiming that "all African Americans go to school for free by checking a box." Absolutely ridiculous. We're looking at real data and statistics, and discussing open affirmative action policies which higher education institutions acknowledge that they use. You can't possibly argue that white people are not disadvantaged in the admission process based on race alone, it flies in the face of basic mathematics.

They simultaneously make the claim that black people put all of their problems on whites who make up almost 80% of the countries population and the don't see the absurdity in them blaming 12% of the population for all of THEIR problems.


I don't know any white people who blame black people for "all of their problems." Another blatant straw man. I know a number of black people who blame white people for most of their problems. Most of the black people I know don't do that, but some of them do.

Look, I don't think a white person owes me a damned thing.


Yes you do. You think you're entitled to affirmative action, which is taking from whites and giving to blacks by definition. Don't be disingenuous.

I mean, there's nothing that can be done to get people to be intellectually honest. They'll continue playing the role and parroting the "blacks use racism to extort tuition money from the white community" to prove that we never earn anything. Then, they'll run with the old "there are more blacks in prison than college" to prove that we're all criminals and nothing I say will change their minds.


"Everyone is a liar except me. Only I can see the truth, even if I can't prove it." Please get over yourself. Some of us have more experience and intelligence than you give us credit for, and we are NOT RACIST just because we disagree with you. In fact, it is extremely insulting when you come on here each day and accuse us of being racists or liars, when many of us care about legitimate constitutional and civil rights issues just as much as you do.
 
2008-09-24 03:47:17 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I agree somewhat, but there is a VERY big difference between bringing up valid concerns and "blaming whitey". What the folks here are attempting to do is to invalidate the entire argument by claiming that extremes are the norm, as the simultaneously tell us to ignore history. They'll tell you that I talk about racism because it benefits me but not one of them can tell me how it actually does. We all know that black people don't go to college for free. I paid my student loans off two years ago. When I was in college I worked 40 hrs/week at a gas station (2-10pm M-F), while taking 18 credits. Yet, to suit their bullshiat argument they'd have you to believe that all a black person has to do is fill out an application and check the "African-American" box to get free tuition.

They simultaneously make the claim that black people put all of their problems on whites who make up almost 80% of the countries population and the don't see the absurdity in them blaming 12% of the population for all of THEIR problems.


Thank you for saying it--this is just what I was thinking but couldn't put into words.
 
2008-09-24 04:20:55 PM  
DRO: Look, I don't think a white person owes me a damned thing.

You: Yes you do. You think you're entitled to affirmative action, which is taking from whites and giving to blacks by definition. Don't be disingenuous.


Where did I EVER say that I am in support of Affirmative Action? And you wonder why the other Farker attributed your rant to racism. Hint: Black people are individuals. Don't assume to know my stance on ANYTHING because you know the color of my skin.

FYI, I am TOTALLY AGAINST race-based quotas in ANYTHING. I don't want a job, an internship, or ONE DIME of tuition money to be allocated to ANYONE based on their race. So again, I don't think a white person owes me shiat. Refute that.


DRO: What the folks here are attempting to do is to invalidate the entire argument by claiming that extremes are the norm, as the simultaneously tell us to ignore history. They'll tell you that I talk about racism because it benefits me but not one of them can tell me how it actually does. We all know that black people don't go to college for free.

You: Many of them do, and disproportionately to the number of white students that do, based on application numbers and admissions statistics.


*Citation Please*


You: That's a straw man and you know it. Nobody is claiming that "all African Americans go to school for free by checking a box." Absolutely ridiculous. We're looking at real data and statistics, and discussing open affirmative action policies which higher education institutions acknowledge that they use. You can't possibly argue that white people are not disadvantaged in the admission process based on race alone, it flies in the face of basic mathematics.


Sir, do you know who the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action are?

WHITE WOMEN




Between 1985 and 2000, blacks' median wage advanced on whites' by a mere 1.2 percent. Why? Because although "affirmative action programs are often described in the press as being based on 'racial preference,'" says Dr. Manning Marable, Director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies, Columbia University, New York City, "the overwhelming majority of those who are the chief beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women."

http://battlinbog.blog-city.com/why_affirmative_action_is_failing_blac​ks.htm

So, blame your mother for all of your failings.
 
2008-09-24 04:38:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Sir, do you know who the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action are?

WHITE WOMEN

Between 1985 and 2000, blacks' median wage advanced on whites' by a mere 1.2 percent. Why? Because although "affirmative action programs are often described in the press as being based on 'racial preference,'" says Dr. Manning Marable, Director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies, Columbia University, New York City, "the overwhelming majority of those who are the chief beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women."

http://battlinbog.blog-city.com/why_affirmative_action_is_failing_blac​ks.htm

So, blame your mother for all of your failings.


Patently false. There are more women in higher education than men. And the opinion of Dr. Manning Marable, "Director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies," is just that, his opinion.
 
2008-09-24 04:42:35 PM  
After reading for half an hour... I scrolled to te top to see what the goddam thread started out as.

New Polls show Americans are a bunch of fickle, indecisive mofos

This train has been officially derailed :D
 
2008-09-24 04:47:39 PM  

bored-parts-guy: i know exactly who to blame for my misfortunes. i see him every time i walk past a mirror. not j/k


Oh, did you want me to move out of the way? You could have just said something. jerk.
 
2008-09-24 04:57:39 PM  

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: DROxINxTHExWIND: Sir, do you know who the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action are?

WHITE WOMEN

Between 1985 and 2000, blacks' median wage advanced on whites' by a mere 1.2 percent. Why? Because although "affirmative action programs are often described in the press as being based on 'racial preference,'" says Dr. Manning Marable, Director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies, Columbia University, New York City, "the overwhelming majority of those who are the chief beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women."

http://battlinbog.blog-city.com/why_affirmative_action_is_failing_blac​ks.htm

So, blame your mother for all of your failings.

Patently false. There are more women in higher education than men. And the opinion of Dr. Manning Marable, "Director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies," is just that, his opinion.

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You've been on here for an hour making unsubstantiated claims without ONE link to anything you're claiming and your response to a link is to attack the source. Typical. Enjoy community college because of the black people who stopped you from getting good grades like your white IVY LEAGUE counterparts. Maybe instead of blaming 12% of the population for your inability to succeed, you should ask your white friends how they were able to overcome such insurmountable obstacles.
 
2008-09-24 05:15:03 PM  
that's because The American People are being farked by the Republican Fickle Finger of Fate. LOL
 
2008-09-24 05:22:45 PM  

Tacoby Bellisbury: Bradley


No, by all means... bring it up as much as possible....

Bad Math and the Bradley Effect

Theorem: The amount of time conservatives spend talking about the Bradley Effect is inversely proportional to the fortunes of their candidate.


/from the good folks at 538. As is this freshly hotlinked current projection.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2008-09-24 05:25:25 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: You've been on here for an hour making unsubstantiated claims without ONE link to anything you're claiming and your response to a link is to attack the source. Typical. Enjoy community college because of the black people who stopped you from getting good grades like your white IVY LEAGUE counterparts. Maybe instead of blaming 12% of the population for your inability to succeed, you should ask your white friends how they were able to overcome such insurmountable obstacles.


Um, actually, go fark yourself, you racist shiatbag. I don't go to "community college." I do get good grades, graduated from a top engineering school, and I made it into an extremely selective law school, just not a top 3 school, which was all my affirmative action point was regarding. Yes, I worked in school. I have many black friends, contrary to your unfounded and offensive assumption that my friends are "white" and "ivy league," simply on the basis of me being white. I also worked in the civil rights department of an attorney general's office last summer, for the record. I'm not going to further this conversation because you've already exposed yourself for the hateful racist that most of us already knew you were. Next time you feel like making some ignorant accusation like that, just look in the mirror instead of projecting onto people who actually treat others on an equal basis and walk the walk.
 
2008-09-25 07:11:26 PM  
Linux_Yes
that's because The American People are being farked by the Republican Fickle Finger of Fate.

All I got was my pop's old plasma cannon.
 
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