Whethefakawi: Donald_McRonald: Rockdrummer: I believe most of the "undecided" are really decided, but don't say so because they don't want to be called racist, or have Obamatrons "in their face."

I believe a lot of people on Fark engage in wishful thinking.

I hope you are wrong.

I wish I were.

Barakku: Tacoby Bellisbury: Rockdrummer: I believe most of the "undecided" are really decided, but don't say so because they don't want to be called racist, or have Obamatrons "in their face."

Pretty much, this. Most people don't have the balls to admit that Obama's a poor choice (publicly)

I'll admit such things HAVE happened-friend of mine has a story of some governor that was up by 10 points in exit polls, slaughtered in the vote, all because people didn't wanna have to say it to anyone's face that they voted against the black guy (he's a black CEO, it's relevant to his interests)-not saying they VOTED because they didn't want a black guy, but it's clear they didn't want people to KNOW they didn't vote for him.

Buuut....we've had real elections now, and the real polls HAVE favored the black guy. Whether he wins in November I can't say, but I'm reasonably satisfied that we aren't all hardcore racists.

Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (and...that other dude), so I'm a racist, according to the fark threads I read.
Oh, and you're a sexist if you don't agree with me. Either way, we're all going to hell
/Window seat, I likes the view

You were for Clinton and now you're for Palin? That makes no sense! They are total opposites. The one and only thing they have in common is that they each have a vagina. So you're voting for their sexual organs rather than the issues? That's a good approach...

Darconix: To be fair, this poll is before McCain and Limbaugh explain to America the truth that the Community Reinvestment Act, pushed by the Democrat Party, was the culprit. It forced otherwise responsible banks to extend unwarranted credit to minorities. The collapse of the housing market can be blamed on these bad credit risks, too.

Pah-lease. Yes it was the democrarats that were incharge of congress prior to 2006 that brought this on.

Party of personal responsibility my arse.

And Limbaugh as an expert on wall street? So what flavor Kool-aid do you prefer?

Barakku: RON PAUL!?!
/Wait...is he old?

Ron Paul in his day could relocate a mountain with a spork. Now he's too old to remember the miracle of teeth.

Barakku:
Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (and...that other dude), so I'm a racist, according to the fark threads I read.

==============================================

*taps shoulder*

Umm, Palin isn't running for President.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Umm, Palin isn't running for President.

There's a 1 in 3 chance she is, if actuarial tables are anything to go by.

Rockdrummer: I believe most of the "undecided" are really decided, but don't say so because they don't want to be called racist, or have Obamatrons "in their face."

I give you a "7/10".

DROxINxTHExWIND: Barakku:
Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (and...that other dude), so I'm a racist, according to the fark threads I read.

==============================================

*taps shoulder*

Umm, Palin isn't running for President.

You have to admit though, sometimes it's hard to tell.

This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise



For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help. White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges"
are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a "farkin' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their farkin' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot shiat" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.



White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.


White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of
Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light"
burden.


And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain...


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Barakku:
Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (and...that other dude), so I'm a racist, according to the fark threads I read.

==============================================

*taps shoulder*

Umm, Palin isn't running for President.

You'd think she is with all the people that were anti-McCain until she joined his ticket.

Barakku: Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (

Unless the only policy point you care about is "they have boobs", I can't see how it makes ANY goddamn sense to make this kind of switch.

Palin is less experienced than Obama. That she makes herself come off as a "hockey mom" is a huge farking negative. I can't remember which comedian it was who said it, but I don't want world leaders to be "just plain folks" like me. I want them to be BETTER than me in every conceivable way. If they aren't better than me, put ME in the farking chair. Palin is also a religious nutjob, and you guys are about twenty years away from turning into the new Middle East, if people like Palin get the reins.

By which I mean, bombing people because they don't agree with every interpretation you have of your holy book.

And yes, there'll only be one interpretation, because the purging begins at home.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Rockdrummer: I believe most of the "undecided" are really decided, but don't say so because they don't want to be called racist, or have Obamatrons "in their face."

Pretty much, this. Most people don't have the balls to admit that Obama's a poor choice (publicly)



So you're saying Conservative voters are a bunch of pussies?

I agree.

DROxINxTHExWIND: Umm, Palin isn't running for President.

Why can't Palin and MC Cane switch places? Both have dealt with hot, sweaty boxes.

DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.

Looks like Americans are figuring something out about wingers:

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

Very well written

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.

No, it's most definitely not a myth

Walkenstein: Does this list the real reason why Americans are indecisive when it comes to voting?


They are too ignorant, unintelligent and uneducated to vote in their best interest.


If Sarah Palin switches frames for her glasses before election day, I'm sure there will be less votes for her because of this


The real issue is that democracy, as a system, only works if the voting public is well-educated and informed about the issues and the stances of the candidates.

The moment ignorant people start making gut-feeling votes based on preconceptions, democracy has utterly failed.

odd how that's possible since the housing bubble started in 03-04 and the CRA's been around about 31 years and was modified by Republican Controlled Congresses in 1995, 2002, and 2005

Uh, no -

In 1995, as a result of interest from President Bill Clinton's administration, the implementing regulations for the CRA were strengthened by focusing the financial regulators' attention on institutions' performance in helping to meet community credit needs. These revisions[1] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. These changes were very controversial and as a result, the regulators agreed to revisit the rule after it had been fully implemented for seven years. Thus in 2002, the regulators opened up the regulation for review and potential revision.

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.
=============================

LOL. Good comeback.

/sarcasm

How do these polls work? Do they just keep calling the same people?

Pollster: Hi, you still voting for Obama?
Person of interest: Yes and would you please quit calling me.

just_another_farker: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

Very well written

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.

No, it's most definitely not a myth

Yes it is. O.J. got away with murder. It's not white priviledge it's rich priviledge.

just_another_farker: No, it's most definitely not a myth

Bigfoot is real, too, eh?

DROxINxTHExWIND: Barakku:
Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (and...that other dude), so I'm a racist, according to the fark threads I read.

==============================================

*taps shoulder*

Umm, Palin isn't running for President.

Hence "That other dude" it's a joke :/. He was boring before, the palin pick proved at least he had balls, and I like it because either way we have a historic presidency-no matter what, we either have the first successful black person or female on a presidential ticket, and if McCain wins, Palin may run for president herself (McCain's kinda old for a second term).

That said, I still don't think it makes much of a difference, and I don't think either side (though both lame) is really stupid enough to do harm, but it's a historic presidency, that's enough for me.

just_another_farker:
You were for Clinton and now you're for Palin? That makes no sense! They are total opposites. The one and only thing they have in common is that they each have a vagina. So you're voting for their sexual organs rather than the issues? That's a good approach...

That approach always worked before...

Seriously though, Clinton seemed COMPETENT, well beyond still anyone on either ticket. Beyond partisan issues-that most presidents don't actually do fark-all about-I think she'd be the best to lead by experience.

Palin herself I'll admit I like, and partisan wise, I like her more than Clinton, though currently I wouldn't say she's read for president (she, like Obama, has about VP levels of experience). But the pick itself, and the cleverness behind it, made me like McCain more-he had the balls to pick NOT a boring white guy (while making it look like he did), and he clearly knows who he's trying to appeal to.

/I'd approach it

spacechicken170am: just_another_farker: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

Very well written

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.

No, it's most definitely not a myth

Yes it is. O.J. got away with murder. It's not white priviledge it's rich priviledge.
=====================================

How many black people is OJ worth? Because for every OJ (one) there are THOUSANDS of KNOWN cases of blacks being prosecuted unfairly or for crimes that they did not commit. But, I'm glad OJ got off just because it bothers you so much.

spacechicken170am: just_another_farker: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

Very well written

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.

No, it's most definitely not a myth

Yes it is. O.J. got away with murder. It's not white priviledge it's rich priviledge.

Acknowledging that there is also a privilege for the wealthy in this country does not make the white privilege phenomenon any less true. Your argument is weak.

i was waiting for DRO to come back from lunch. white privilege is being born with 1/3 of society waiting for handouts.

DROxINxTHExWIND: How many black people is OJ worth? Because for every OJ (one) there are THOUSANDS of KNOWN cases of blacks being prosecuted unfairly or for crimes that they did not commit. But, I'm glad OJ got off just because it bothers you so much.

But the FBI statistics say the commit more crime. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Don't do the crime, and you won't do the time.

DROxINxTHExWIND: How many black people is OJ worth?

Damn word problems again.

Bad news for the economy is good news for Obama. So, going with the Right's previous claims vis a vis the violence levels in Iraq:

"Obama wants the economy to fail! He hates America!"

Or, the counter-point pushed by the Left,

"I'd rather a million people go homeless than admit the Liberals were right!"

And, of course, the third option (my preference): Polls don't mean shiat and we've got plenty of ups-and-downs on the way between here and November. Will people even remember Freddy Mercury and Fanny McDonald's in two months? Doubt it. Americans are dumb and have short attention spans. We'll probably be back to arguing about offshore drilling or Reverend Wright or whether or not the Surge was McCain's idea or not.

actually that "privilege" is for anyone who works.

FOX News Poll: Obama Reclaims Lead Over McCain, 45% to 39%\

So, since according to all you Dems Fox always lies, McCain is WINING!

just_another_farker:
Darconix is trolling you.
I'm not saying that to be sarcastic or to dismiss his opinion. He's trolled me before. You're not talking to an actual conservative.

/Or heck, maybe you are, but he's just saying crazy stuff to get a rise out of you. He's not earnestly expressing an opinion.

Thorak: Barakku: Then again, I was for Clinton, and I'm for Palin now (

Unless the only policy point you care about is "they have boobs", I can't see how it makes ANY goddamn sense to make this kind of switch.

Eh, I think I've mostly covered my reasons in my previous post, but there are a sizeable ammount of "PUMAs" out there that are pretty pissed at how the media (at least) has been handling the election-I would say there's been some pretty clear sexism, and, though I've stated my personal reasons before, I'll also say that my mother has re-registered to vote in this election just because of the media's little shiat-fit with Palin. She hated Clinton too, and was otherwise apathetic.

spacechicken170am: Yes it is. O.J. got away with murder. It's not white priviledge it's rich priviledge.

Mostly, it's that the average person has become goddamned stupid enough to fall for propaganda and idiotic "arguments".

No longer do we listen to the smartest voice, just the loudest.

Plus, many people do not even consider the facts; many vote for a party, regardless of the candidate. This is a complete breach of the democratic process. I've said it before and I'll say it again; if the Republicans ran Stalin, and the Democrats ran Hitler, as their candidates, you could run Ghandi or Einstein or [insert other decent smart person here] as an Independent, and the two evil dictators would split at LEAST 70% of the vote. Probably more.

Darconix: But the FBI statistics say the commit more crime. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Don't do the crime, and you won't do the time.

In your esteemed opinion, would electing a black man or group of black people to run the country lead to a crime epidemic?

Rockdrummer: odd how that's possible since the housing bubble started in 03-04 and the CRA's been around about 31 years and was modified by Republican Controlled Congresses in 1995, 2002, and 2005

Uh, no -

In 1995, as a result of interest from President Bill Clinton's administration, the implementing regulations for the CRA were strengthened by focusing the financial regulators' attention on institutions' performance in helping to meet community credit needs. These revisions[1] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. These changes were very controversial and as a result, the regulators agreed to revisit the rule after it had been fully implemented for seven years. Thus in 2002, the regulators opened up the regulation for review and potential revision.

And who was in charge in 2002 and what did they do about it? I remeber a distinguished gentleman at a certian State of the Union taking credit for the fact that more americans especially minorities owned thier home. I don't think he was a democrat.

Some people have to jump through hoops to make it into office. Some hoops are rope loops followed by whitey saying "oops". Support our troops but not certain racial groups.

God Bless America's sunny side.

DROxINxTHExWIND: spacechicken170am: just_another_farker: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

Very well written

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: White privilege is, in short, the problem.

"White privilege" is a myth invented by racists seeking to shakedown the majority in this country due to their own laziness and greed.

No, it's most definitely not a myth

Yes it is. O.J. got away with murder. It's not white priviledge it's rich priviledge.
=====================================

How many black people is OJ worth? Because for every OJ (one) there are THOUSANDS of KNOWN cases of blacks being prosecuted unfairly or for crimes that they did not commit. But, I'm glad OJ got off just because it bothers you so much.

You are either very sheltered or naive if you think poor rural whites aren't wrongly arrested. Poor people can't afford lawyers and cops know this. How many poor rednecks is Bristol Palin worth?

Bonk_Thud: just_another_farker:
Darconix is trolling you.
I'm not saying that to be sarcastic or to dismiss his opinion. He's trolled me before. You're not talking to an actual conservative.

/Or heck, maybe you are, but he's just saying crazy stuff to get a rise out of you. He's not earnestly expressing an opinion.

Meh. He probably is a troll but no one is getting a rise out of me. Whether that's his legitimate opinion or not, there are way too many people that would agree with him.

lilbjorn: Republicans start blaming the bailout delay on the Obama campaign in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ...

/democrats will begin blaming racists and not Obama's inexperience or socialist policies for Obama's landslide loss on Nov 5th in about 43 days....

spacechicken170am: How many poor rednecks is Bristol Palin worth?

We don't know if Levi Johnston is poor.

Darconix: DROxINxTHExWIND: How many black people is OJ worth? Because for every OJ (one) there are THOUSANDS of KNOWN cases of blacks being prosecuted unfairly or for crimes that they did not commit. But, I'm glad OJ got off just because it bothers you so much.

But the FBI statistics say the commit more crime. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Don't do the crime, and you won't do the time.
========================

Crime statistics tell you who has been charged and convicted of a crime, they don't tell you who committed the crime.

/There is no crime where police don't patrol.

whconner4: Looks like Americans are figuring something out about wingers:

Hate to tell you this, but Kennedy got us into Vietnam.

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is Your Nation on White Privilege

By Tim Wise

I read that article the other day. Brilliantly done.

Thorak: spacechicken170am: Yes it is. O.J. got away with murder. It's not white priviledge it's rich priviledge.

Mostly, it's that the average person has become goddamned stupid enough to fall for propaganda and idiotic "arguments".

No longer do we listen to the smartest voice, just the loudest.

Plus, many people do not even consider the facts; many vote for a party, regardless of the candidate. This is a complete breach of the democratic process. I've said it before and I'll say it again; if the Republicans ran Stalin, and the Democrats ran Hitler, as their candidates, you could run Ghandi or Einstein or [insert other decent smart person here] as an Independent, and the two evil dictators would split at LEAST 70% of the vote. Probably more.

Well, how could a qualified individual win? I don't want to be a racist and a terrorist.

Barakku: Eh, I think I've mostly covered my reasons in my previous post, but there are a sizeable ammount of "PUMAs" out there that are pretty pissed at how the media (at least) has been handling the election-I would say there's been some pretty clear sexism, and, though I've stated my personal reasons before, I'll also say that my mother has re-registered to vote in this election just because of the media's little shiat-fit with Palin. She hated Clinton too, and was otherwise apathetic.

You want sexism?

Palin was only picked to be running mate because she's relatively young and attractive, and female. Those are her only relevant factors. It's a clear bid to try and get votes from people who'll vote for her just because they want to see a woman on the ticket.

And that's such a goddamned stupid reason to vote, I think anyone who made their decision for that reason should have their votes discarded, for failing to uphold the process.

Picking Palin as a running mate was an EXAMPLE of sexism. She is being used to secure votes, and that's it. I would also say she's getting softer treatment than Clinton did entirely because of her youth and attractiveness. Reporters don't want to be mean to the pretty lady.

It is sexism. Don't delude yourself into thinking she's anything but a trophy VP that McCain's using to make his platform more aesthetically attractive, so that people don't notice the underlying garbage-fest.