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2008-09-23 10:25:10 AM
What makes this better for me is the argument I got in last night at the bar over socialized health care....yeah, it's great.
 
2008-09-23 10:31:19 AM
psychotic_calm: What makes this better for me is the argument I got in last night at the bar over socialized health care....yeah, it's great.

This has not a thing to do with "socialized health care."
 
2008-09-23 10:32:40 AM
psychotic_calm: What makes this better for me is the argument I got in last night at the bar over socialized health care....yeah, it's great.

What? So this has never happened in America (^)?
 
2008-09-23 10:33:35 AM
i dont care how sick i may be im not sitting in a waiting room for 34 hours

/unless im dead after 2 and i just didnt notice it
 
2008-09-23 10:34:20 AM
psychotic_calm:
Doctors and health care professionals make mistakes. This makes better argument for you to cut the middleman and treat yourself of all ailments.
 
2008-09-23 10:34:50 AM
psychotic_calm: What makes this better for me is the argument I got in last night at the bar over socialized health care....yeah, it's great.

Damn straight! If the guy was poor & uninsured, he wouldn't be allowed in a G'damn US hospital! Poor people suck!
 
2008-09-23 10:38:01 AM
psychotic_calm: What makes this better for me

There's something about this story that you enjoy? Why because your "team" is opposed to universal health care, and any negative press about universal health care helps your "team" even if it proves nothing and results in the death of a person?

It's this mindset that is hurting this country.

Stop. Hurting. America.
 
2008-09-23 10:40:02 AM
what_now: Stop. Hurting. America.

But she likes it when I spank her just the right way...
 
2008-09-23 10:44:30 AM
I just re-read my post...let me clarify.

Last night, I got into a bit of a debate with this guy that just moved here from Toronto. Somehow, we ended up on health care and he seemed pretty convinced that Canada's system is far superior to Americas...when they're pretty much the same.

Unless you need a MRI

(I know nothing)
 
2008-09-23 10:48:58 AM
FTFA it appears that the man never even registered with the nurse on duty. When going to emergency, it is typically required to let someone know that you need medical attention.
 
2008-09-23 10:51:40 AM
wargarbl

i dont care how sick i may be im not sitting in a waiting room for 34 hours

If you're dead, you'll sit there until someone notices you or the cleaning people finally ask you to move.
 
2008-09-23 10:52:33 AM
They're claiming he was in contact w/ a nurse but no one seems to know WTF was wrong with him? No documentation of his complaint? No list of symptoms? Nice.
 
2008-09-23 10:52:44 AM
I think Canada's system is farking awesome and the American one is shiat.

/considered moving to Canada just for the healthcare
//didnt go
///too cold and I dont like Avril Lavigne
 
2008-09-23 10:53:39 AM
psychotic_calm

The American system works great until you get sick. Then the insurance companies want nothing to do with your sorry ass. If you're high up in a large corporation, it's the best. Otherwise, just don't get sick, and everyone will be much happier.
 
2008-09-23 10:54:43 AM
Marcus Aurelius: wargarbl

i dont care how sick i may be im not sitting in a waiting room for 34 hours

If you're dead, you'll sit there until someone notices you or the cleaning people finally ask you to move.


Did you fail to read the rest of his post?
 
2008-09-23 10:55:02 AM
BobtheFascist: They're claiming he was in contact w/ a nurse but no one seems to know WTF was wrong with him? No documentation of his complaint? No list of symptoms? Nice.

OK, he was in contact w/ staff, not a nurse. Still, they knew he was there.
 
2008-09-23 10:55:10 AM
Blackbird: psychotic_calm:
Doctors and health care professionals make mistakes. This makes better argument for you to cut the middleman and treat yourself of all ailments.


I recommend that you do that.
 
2008-09-23 10:57:35 AM
psychotic_calm: I

(I know nothing)


Yes.

One bad triage mistake does not a whole system of health care condemn.

This type of shiat happens often here in the US. Not to mention patient dumping, patient shuffling, outright refusal to treat someone with no insurance and all of the thousands of people who have to make a choice about whether to buy medications that they need or pay the rent.

Clearly our system is far superior.
 
2008-09-23 10:59:03 AM
Blackbird: This makes better argument for you to cut the middleman and treat yourself of all ailments.

How do you treat yourself for internal bleeding or a fractured scull?

/robitussin
 
2008-09-23 10:59:49 AM
This is why you ALWAYS take an advocate with you. Your kid, your mom, your neighbor, your farking dog.

NEVER go to the hospital without somebody to take care of details and kicking ass.

darkyn: When going to emergency, it is typically required to let someone know that you need medical attention.

At the same time, after better than a day, somebody should have noticed.
 
2008-09-23 11:00:02 AM
Probably just too damn polite.
 
2008-09-23 11:06:26 AM
EsteeFlwrPot: /too cold and I dont like Avril Lavigne

B-b-but we shipped her off to the states? She doesn't haunt the Timmy's anymore.
 
2008-09-23 11:08:07 AM
Marcus Aurelius: The American system works great until you get sick. Then the insurance companies want nothing to do with your sorry ass. If you're high up in a large corporation, it's the best. Otherwise, just don't get sick, and everyone will be much happier.

I've experienced America's health care system (w/ no insurance) in a few different ways firsthand - with mixed results at best.

When I was 17, I was involved in a serious car crash. I had several lacerations and the paramedics thought I might have broken my collarbone at the scene of the accident. The hospital in Orlando took decent care of me, and released me 24 hours later in much better shape.

Then, about a year ago, I got a severe kidney infection. My urine had an unusual amount of blood, so I went to the ER. They took a urine sample, prescribed me an antibiotic, and sent me home. Day later, more blood. I went back to the ER....and got more antibiotics. At the point, I was wondering if I even had kidneys left...my father took me to an actual urologist and it turned out the ER had been misdiagnosing me the whole time.

To the tune of 4 grand.

I can't exactly say America's health care system is broken but there is definite flaws. Oh, and having insurance is better than having no insurance.
 
2008-09-23 11:08:56 AM
psychotic_calm: Canada's system is far superior to Americas...when they're pretty much the same.

Amen! I can still remember the horror of going to the ER last month with a bad infection on my leg due to a bug bite. I had to wait almost 20 minutes to see a doctor. Then I was given IV antibiotics right away. Soon thereafter, a community nurse met with me to set up a treatment of IV antibiotics in my home. One hour later I was on my way home. The next day, a pharmacy delivered the medicine along with a $15,000 automatic pump to administer the antibiotics. A nurse arrived shortly thereafter to set everything up and came back for each of the following three days of treatment. A quick trip back to the ER for followup three days later and I was put on oral antibiotics. The pharmacy came and picked up all their equipment and I got my pills.

How much did this ordeal cost me? About $10 for the pills. That's all.

Goddamn socialized medicine!! How the hell can I afford $10 for the thousands and thousands of $$$ worth of treatments? F*ck Canada and its messed up commie system!
 
2008-09-23 11:09:55 AM
psychotic_calm: Somehow, we ended up on health care and he seemed pretty convinced that Canada's system is far superior to Americas...when they're pretty much the same.

Spoken like someone who has NEVER been without health insurance.

When you've been laid off for a few months and are working as a waitress with no benefits to make ends meet, you get hit by a hit-and-run drunk driver while you're crossing a street, and you spend 18 hrs in a hospital, and are honestly worried about declaring bankruptcy at the ripe old age of 23 through NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN, come talk to me about socialized medicine.

I'll let you feel the scar where my head hit the curb.

(the caught the guy. I got very little $$, but I also got my medical and rehab bills paid).
 
2008-09-23 11:10:15 AM
psychotic_calm: I just re-read my post...let me clarify.

Last night, I got into a bit of a debate with this guy that just moved here from Toronto. Somehow, we ended up on health care and he seemed pretty convinced that Canada's system is far superior to Americas...when they're pretty much the same.

Unless you need a MRI


Paying for it is a tad different.

Face it America, your healthcare exceeds other countries healthcare if you can afford it.

So how many Americans can afford that kind of healthcare?... I'm guessing "not many", and that's the difference. I don't have to afford it. I just get to wait a bit longer.
 
2008-09-23 11:10:21 AM
Meet Us at the Stick: psychotic_calm: What makes this better for me is the argument I got in last night at the bar over socialized health care....yeah, it's great.

What? So this has never happened in America (^)?


Dude- you just couldn't pick a worse example. Kings County is a city run, city funded hospital. Nothing private about it.
 
2008-09-23 11:10:22 AM
oldfarthenry: EsteeFlwrPot: /too cold and I dont like Avril Lavigne

B-b-but we shipped her off to the states? She doesn't haunt the Timmy's anymore.


You guys still owe us bigtime for unleashing Celene Dion on the world. And don't even get me started about Loverboy.
 
2008-09-23 11:12:12 AM
darkyn: FTFA it appears that the man never even registered with the nurse on duty. When going to emergency, it is typically required to let someone know that you need medical attention.

Yeah that seems to be the problem. He didn't see the triage nurse which *newflash* is how they do it at every American hospital I've been in. You talk to the triage nurse first thing and then they prioritize you.
 
2008-09-23 11:12:24 AM
psychotic_calm: When I was 17, I was involved in a serious car crash. I had several lacerations and the paramedics thought I might have broken my collarbone at the scene of the accident. The hospital in Orlando took decent care of me, and released me 24 hours later in much better shape.

And you didn't have insurance? Or did you (or the person who hit you) have auto insurance?
 
2008-09-23 11:16:05 AM
My small town hospital shuts down 3 days a week because of a doctor shortage. Turns out it pays more to go the US or a big city.

Good thing we have the best ambulance service in the world. Link (new window)
 
2008-09-23 11:20:47 AM
oldfarthenry: If the guy was poor & uninsured, he wouldn't be allowed in a G'damn US hospital!

You are under a completely false impression with that idea.

It is against the law for a hospital to not treat someone. period. emergency rooms cannot turn you away for not having money or insurance.
 
2008-09-23 11:22:38 AM
what_now: And you didn't have insurance? Or did you (or the person who hit you) have auto insurance?

Wow...similar to you, it was a hit and run. We were coming home from this arcade in Orlando on I4 when traffic came to a dead stop out of nowhere. The guy behind us didn't exactly stop in time and slammed into us. The impact knocked me out for a second, and my friend was screaming that the guy had just turned around in the median. I didn't have health insurance, my friend didn't have car insurance. About two years ago, I found out that the guy had been driving on a suspended license hence his escape. I believe he's paying my hospital bill....because it's not showing on my credit report at all.
 
2008-09-23 11:24:05 AM
baked beans: oldfarthenry: If the guy was poor & uninsured, he wouldn't be allowed in a G'damn US hospital!

You are under a completely false impression with that idea.

It is against the law for a hospital to not treat someone. period. emergency rooms cannot turn you away for not having money or insurance.


No but they can sue you and garnish your wages/house/savings when you can't afford their bill which includes $35 for a Tylenol.
 
2008-09-23 11:26:12 AM
baked beans: oldfarthenry: If the guy was poor & uninsured, he wouldn't be allowed in a G'damn US hospital!

You are under a completely false impression with that idea.

It is against the law for a hospital to not treat someone. period. emergency rooms cannot turn you away for not having money or insurance.


BZZT! OLDFARTHENRY YOUR POST IS ILLOGICAL DOES NOT COMPUTE!
 
2008-09-23 11:28:55 AM
Gwendolyn: No but they can sue you and garnish your wages/house/savings when you can't afford their bill which includes $35 for a Tylenol.

yes, if you ignore them or tell them to fark off. I had a $5,000 emergency room bill that took me 4 years to pay off. not one nasty letter. I sent them $5 a week minimum. and always kept in touch.
 
2008-09-23 11:29:26 AM
psychotic_calm: I believe he's paying my hospital bill....because it's not showing on my credit report at all.

I don't know if it's because you were under 18, and therefore legally not an adult, but hospital bills don't just "go away".

Canada's health care system isn't perfect, but it's better and CHEAPER to the taxpayers than ours (we're paying emergency care prices for preventable illnesses).

We have some smart people in this country. I'm fairly convinced we could come up with a plan that is better than what we have now, and try to avoid the problems other countries have gotten into.
 
2008-09-23 11:31:09 AM
what_now: I'm fairly convinced we could come up with a plan that is better than what we have now,

no doubt..... but if the US govt is in charge of it, it will be more inefficient than what we have now.
 
2008-09-23 11:34:51 AM
what_now: We have some smart people in this country. I'm fairly convinced we could come up with a plan that is better than what we have now, and try to avoid the problems other countries have gotten into.

I'm not entirely sure Canada's health care system is the answer BUT like you pointed out...we shouldn't be paying emergency care prices for preventable illnesses. Should it really cost 4 thousand dollars to prescribe the correct form of antibiotics? I'm still paying on that.


Obama 08? :)
 
2008-09-23 11:37:14 AM
baked beans: it will be more inefficient than what we have now.

How so?

I have a random question...what percentage of hospital bills go unpaid?
 
2008-09-23 11:37:55 AM
EsteeFlwrPot:
How do you treat...a fractured scull?



Fiberglass.

www.tomoko-yamamoto.com
 
2008-09-23 11:38:05 AM
baked beans: Gwendolyn: No but they can sue you and garnish your wages/house/savings when you can't afford their bill which includes $35 for a Tylenol.

yes, if you ignore them or tell them to fark off. I had a $5,000 emergency room bill that took me 4 years to pay off. not one nasty letter. I sent them $5 a week minimum. and always kept in touch.


Yeah, I'm think actually that as long as you send your creditors ANYTHING regularly, they aren't allowed to escalate the matter, e.g. to court.
 
2008-09-23 11:39:05 AM
baked beans: what_now: I'm fairly convinced we could come up with a plan that is better than what we have now,

no doubt..... but if the US govt is in charge of it, it will be more inefficient than what we have now.


I went to the pharmacy with a prescription for ambien yesterday. I wait the 45 minutes and get called up to say that my insurance is denying the drug. If I actually want it I need to go back to my doctor to get them to tell my insurance company directly why I need it.

Now the doctor just wrote me a prescription for the farking thing. I was just there and she deemed I needed it. So in order for them to actually pay for it she needs to call them and debate with some some farktard paper pusher about me needing something to help me sleep.

Mind you I haven't even been to the doctor for anything but a check up since March of 2007. So they've been getting my $174 plus whatever the employer kicks in that entire time. I can't imagine is being more of a pain in the ass than that.
 
2008-09-23 11:41:10 AM
Kublai Khan: baked beans: Gwendolyn: No but they can sue you and garnish your wages/house/savings when you can't afford their bill which includes $35 for a Tylenol.

yes, if you ignore them or tell them to fark off. I had a $5,000 emergency room bill that took me 4 years to pay off. not one nasty letter. I sent them $5 a week minimum. and always kept in touch.

Yeah, I'm think actually that as long as you send your creditors ANYTHING regularly, they aren't allowed to escalate the matter, e.g. to court.


I had an uninsured medical bill once (included an MRI) and I said I could send in $80/month. Their response "Not good enough we need $150 a month or we're taking you to court." Maybe in PA it's different or maybe they just flat out lied to get me to pay more but I wasn't given a pay $5 a week option.
 
2008-09-23 11:48:48 AM
I just left an emergency room so I'm getting a real kick...

/seriously
//was there for 5 hours
///ow ow ow
 
2008-09-23 11:50:29 AM
Basic preventative healthcare would go a LONG way to easying overburdened ERs.

That and opening more ICUs.
 
2008-09-23 11:50:30 AM
This happened to me, in America, a few months ago.. except the dying part. I wasn't in the waiting room, but stuck in another room in the ER with an IV 'waiting' for about 20 hours.. I finally went ballistic and unplugged my tubes and walked out screaming and cussing at people. It drives you mad.
I resolved I will never go to the hospital on my own accord, evar, again. If my doctor isn't open, he will be in no longer than 48 hours from any given day.
 
2008-09-23 11:50:56 AM
Gwendolyn: Kublai Khan: baked beans: Gwendolyn: No but they can sue you and garnish your wages/house/savings when you can't afford their bill which includes $35 for a Tylenol.

yes, if you ignore them or tell them to fark off. I had a $5,000 emergency room bill that took me 4 years to pay off. not one nasty letter. I sent them $5 a week minimum. and always kept in touch.

Yeah, I'm think actually that as long as you send your creditors ANYTHING regularly, they aren't allowed to escalate the matter, e.g. to court.

I had an uninsured medical bill once (included an MRI) and I said I could send in $80/month. Their response "Not good enough we need $150 a month or we're taking you to court." Maybe in PA it's different or maybe they just flat out lied to get me to pay more but I wasn't given a pay $5 a week option.


Debt collectors lie all the time. You should always treat everything they say with suspicion.

But I'm not a lawyer so, you know, get some real advice before doing anything.
 
2008-09-23 11:51:18 AM
Gwendolyn: Maybe in PA it's different or maybe they just flat out lied to get me to pay more but I wasn't given a pay $5 a week option.

don't ask...... just send them $5
 
2008-09-23 11:51:34 AM
psychotic_calm: What makes this better for me is the argument I got in last night at the bar over socialized health care....yeah, it's great.

Wow...I knew someone would blame Socialized health care, I just didn't know it would be the very Boobies.

Bravo sir, good thing this has nothing to do with socialized health care.
 
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