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2008-09-22 07:09:19 PM  
It's a damn shame that nothing will probably happen to those officer. Oh sure, the city will pay out on a civil suit but those cops should lose their jobs AND do some jail time for their actions.

*sigh*

authoritarian society + impending fiscal collapse = serious suckitude.
 
2008-09-22 07:26:18 PM  
It's a good thing they didn't think he was stoned on pot. That might've caused public outrage.
 
2008-09-22 07:52:05 PM  
After I RTFA, I'm not convinced this was an innocent diabetic getting savagely beaten by police drunk on their own power. Nor am I convinced that Griglen (the diabetic) was a crazed maniac resisting arrest and endangering police officers who were just doing their jobs (as the police reports describe).

I am convinced that the truth lies somewhere in between, as it usually does in these situations.
 
2008-09-22 07:53:09 PM  

Weaver95: It's a damn shame that nothing will probably happen to those officer. Oh sure, the city will pay out on a civil suit but those cops should lose their jobs AND do some jail time for their actions.


I don't know, I'm inclined to believe the police here because some things don't really match up. The article doesn't mention any bruises other than what the police report says, the police officer took the guy to the hospital before taking him anywhere else, and the police officer called for backup before stopping him.

Just the fact that the officer called for backup before stopping the guy makes me believe he did actually run from her when she tried to pull him over. If he ran from the police in his car I don't think it is a stretch to think he would run from them on foot.
 
2008-09-22 09:09:56 PM  

Ryan2065: Weaver95: It's a damn shame that nothing will probably happen to those officer. Oh sure, the city will pay out on a civil suit but those cops should lose their jobs AND do some jail time for their actions.

I don't know, I'm inclined to believe the police here because some things don't really match up. The article doesn't mention any bruises other than what the police report says, the police officer took the guy to the hospital before taking him anywhere else, and the police officer called for backup before stopping him.

Just the fact that the officer called for backup before stopping the guy makes me believe he did actually run from her when she tried to pull him over. If he ran from the police in his car I don't think it is a stretch to think he would run from them on foot.


if he was going into insulin shock, disorientation is a common symptom. the cops missed the symptoms and, to my mind, were negligent.
 
2008-09-22 09:15:34 PM  

Fraggler: I am convinced that the truth lies somewhere in between, as it usually does in these situations.


let's agree, that THIS is most likely the case
the FACT that they were the cause of his injuries is terrifying
only in a police state is it legal for the law to cause grevious bodily harm

sick and tired of excuses being made for the cops
there are a TINY exceptions where force should be ever be reasonable

enough said
now pay up
 
2008-09-22 09:16:55 PM  
I'm a diabetic, and any diabetic who's on the road and allows their blood sugar to get too low is being negligent in the extreme. I'm normally no defender of the cops, but I've known several diabetics who get extremely aggressive and combative if they go into hypoglycemia. And the only way to "recognize the symptoms" is with a glucometer (the little finger-prick blood-drop thingamajig that Wilford Brimley's such a big fan of). There's no other way to tell the difference between a diabetic going nuts for lack of sugar and someone strung out on god knows what. Maybe a medical professional could, but it's not reasonable to expect a cop to be able to.

I am not a fan of the police generally, and I'm not ruling out that they were overly violent here, but at the same time I find it perfectly plausible that a person with dangerously low blood sugar could be a raging madman. I've seen it.

I'm lucky in that I'm really sensitive to hypoglycemia so I've always caught it before it gets anywhere close to that bad. But some people can't feel it coming on. Still, it's their responsiblity, particularly if they're driving.
 
2008-09-22 09:43:47 PM  
Is Wilford Brimley gonna have to kill a b*tch?
 
2008-09-22 09:48:38 PM  
bah, link is farked
 
2008-09-22 09:49:40 PM  
It shouldn't be any wonder why most people distrust the police. It also shouldn't be any wonder why police distrust the people. The very fact that when I talk about "The police" and "The people", I tend to treat them as completely different groups, or even classes, as though it's "us versus them", should speak volumes about the problems with law enforcement in America.
 
2008-09-22 09:50:55 PM  
Did they also go to his home and shoot his dog?
 
2008-09-22 09:51:08 PM  
You know who else sticks needles in their arms...

archimedes.galilei.com

Juvenile diabetes
 
2008-09-22 09:51:25 PM  
Motorist in a coma.
I know. I know.
It's serious.
 
2008-09-22 09:53:14 PM  
Cue all the asshole police apologists in 3..2..1
 
2008-09-22 09:53:59 PM  
The most disturbing part FTA:
brutally beaten to the point that he had to have part of his brain surgically removed


YAY! FREE LOBOTOMIES FOR ALL!


/Brazil (1985) ?
 
2008-09-22 09:54:04 PM  
www.unitednothing.net
 
2008-09-22 09:55:02 PM  
He already had the 'beetus. No need for a second helping.
 
2008-09-22 09:55:59 PM  
Haha, wait, wait...my favorite cop excuse for disrespectful or abusive behavior toward civilians is, "When we pull you over, we don't know who you are or if you're armed or not." Haha, I'm sorry, that patently corrupt carte blanche justification gets me every time.
 
2008-09-22 09:57:03 PM  
See what happens when people are brainwashed in to thinking any motorist, appearing odd, is a drunk. So innocent peoples get the shiat kicked out of them for no good reason.

/And don't forget MADD is for Prohibition.
 
2008-09-22 09:57:40 PM  

Churchill2004: I'm a diabetic, and any diabetic who's on the road and allows their blood sugar to get too low is being negligent in the extreme. I'm normally no defender of the cops, but I've known several diabetics who get extremely aggressive and combative if they go into hypoglycemia. And the only way to "recognize the symptoms" is with a glucometer (the little finger-prick blood-drop thingamajig that Wilford Brimley's such a big fan of). There's no other way to tell the difference between a diabetic going nuts for lack of sugar and someone strung out on god knows what. Maybe a medical professional could, but it's not reasonable to expect a cop to be able to.

I am not a fan of the police generally, and I'm not ruling out that they were overly violent here, but at the same time I find it perfectly plausible that a person with dangerously low blood sugar could be a raging madman. I've seen it.

I'm lucky in that I'm really sensitive to hypoglycemia so I've always caught it before it gets anywhere close to that bad. But some people can't feel it coming on. Still, it's their responsiblity, particularly if they're driving.


Kind of what I came here to say. My girlfriend is diabetic, and though she is also very sensitive to the symptoms of being high or low, she misses it sometimes. She can turn into a different person in the span of a half hour. Once she's disoriented, i.e. not thinking clearly, she doesn't always realize what is going on. She is just intensely pissed over nothing, but in her mind, she is totally justified in her actions. Then, the adrenaline kicks in and she's in fight or flight mode. It is not pretty. (In case anyone is wondering, the next phase is total weakness and what she describes as a terrible drunken feeling along with physical uneasiness, fatigue, and pain. When that sets in, its time to get the orange juice and fast.)

However, there is no excuse for police being unable to subdue a person without injuring them. Especially in this day and age.
 
2008-09-22 09:58:21 PM  

Churchill2004: I am not a fan of the police


On Fark? Get the hell outta here!

My guess for number of words used in this thread
police state - 15
fascist - 10
Bush - 6
 
2008-09-22 09:58:36 PM  

i236.photobucket.com

 
2008-09-22 10:00:16 PM  
I saw this on the show Cops once. They thought the guy was DUI. When they finally got him stopped they pulled the guy out of the car and beat him, he wasn't even resisting. It made me sick to my stomach. Here's a guy already dealing with a very difficult situation, still trying to make a living, on his way home from work and this happens. Life is tough as it is, I just wanted to help this poor dude out.
 
2008-09-22 10:01:13 PM  
ChadManMn: However, there is no excuse for police being unable to subdue a person without injuring them. Especially in this day and age.

Not really. Sometimes it is impossible to subdue without at least minor injuries. I'm not saying the police didn't use excessive force here (drtfa), just that to expect a violent suspect to be taken down with sunshine and flowers is hardly reasonable.
 
2008-09-22 10:02:38 PM  
Was he a skinny Type I or a huge-ass flab factory Type II?
 
2008-09-22 10:03:02 PM  
I've been diagnosed as Type 2 myself, and can state from personal experience that having your blood sugar off target is *very* similar to being drunk. It's not hard to see, considering that alcohol is simply another form of sugar.

That said, I did not see any mention of the victim at any time say "I'm a diabetic!" He just decided to say nothing, and start a fight when cornered. They may not believe you, but if you show them your test strips, insulin, or sugar you keep on you, it's hard to deny. I can't imagine being that far gone that I couldn't say the three words that would change the situation. When the alternative is an arrest for DUI, why keep so quiet?
 
2008-09-22 10:04:44 PM  
typical pigs, trumping up charges and lying to save their ass...

/possible future defense attorney.
//we don't get you off clean, we just get you the right charges to plead guilty to.
 
2008-09-22 10:04:45 PM  

ChadManMn: Churchill2004: I'm a diabetic, and any diabetic who's on the road and allows their blood sugar to get too low is being negligent in the extreme. I'm normally no defender of the cops, but I've known several diabetics who get extremely aggressive and combative if they go into hypoglycemia. And the only way to "recognize the symptoms" is with a glucometer (the little finger-prick blood-drop thingamajig that Wilford Brimley's such a big fan of). There's no other way to tell the difference between a diabetic going nuts for lack of sugar and someone strung out on god knows what. Maybe a medical professional could, but it's not reasonable to expect a cop to be able to.

I am not a fan of the police generally, and I'm not ruling out that they were overly violent here, but at the same time I find it perfectly plausible that a person with dangerously low blood sugar could be a raging madman. I've seen it.

I'm lucky in that I'm really sensitive to hypoglycemia so I've always caught it before it gets anywhere close to that bad. But some people can't feel it coming on. Still, it's their responsiblity, particularly if they're driving.

Kind of what I came here to say. My girlfriend is diabetic, and though she is also very sensitive to the symptoms of being high or low, she misses it sometimes. She can turn into a different person in the span of a half hour. Once she's disoriented, i.e. not thinking clearly, she doesn't always realize what is going on. She is just intensely pissed over nothing, but in her mind, she is totally justified in her actions. Then, the adrenaline kicks in and she's in fight or flight mode. It is not pretty. (In case anyone is wondering, the next phase is total weakness and what she describes as a terrible drunken feeling along with physical uneasiness, fatigue, and pain. When that sets in, its time to get the orange juice and fast.)

However, there is no excuse for police being unable to subdue a person without injuring them. Especially in this day and age.


I think the taser might have shorted out his insulin pump, no?
 
2008-09-22 10:04:48 PM  

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Haha, wait, wait...my favorite cop excuse for disrespectful or abusive behavior toward civilians is, "When we pull you over, we don't know who you are or if you're armed or not." Haha, I'm sorry, that patently corrupt carte blanche justification gets me every time.


Yeah, that's a good one.

I meet people every day on the road or while walking somewhere, and I have no idea if they are armed either. If, while in a questionable situation, I KNEW that I was armed and had radio backup along with a lot of other tools, I don't think I'd worry too much.

Any cop that uses excessive force should be immediately presented to the grand jury.
 
2008-09-22 10:05:30 PM  
My husband is diabetic and this king of behaviour has happened more than once. He gets combative and verbally abusive, so I totally see how this could have happened. That being said, there is no way this man should have been beaten to the point of brain damage. There is no excuse for that. Once he was handcuffed, the police should have backed off.
 
2008-09-22 10:05:34 PM  

Fraggler: After I RTFA, I'm not convinced this was an innocent diabetic getting savagely beaten by police drunk on their own power. Nor am I convinced that Griglen (the diabetic) was a crazed maniac resisting arrest and endangering police officers who were just doing their jobs (as the police reports describe).


Ya know the police reports always claim they were being attacked. Even when videotape says otherwise. Like that NYC cycler(s)
 
2008-09-22 10:06:20 PM  

Ryan2065: Weaver95: It's a damn shame that nothing will probably happen to those officer. Oh sure, the city will pay out on a civil suit but those cops should lose their jobs AND do some jail time for their actions.

I don't know, I'm inclined to believe the police here because some things don't really match up. The article doesn't mention any bruises other than what the police report says, the police officer took the guy to the hospital before taking him anywhere else, and the police officer called for backup before stopping him.

Just the fact that the officer called for backup before stopping the guy makes me believe he did actually run from her when she tried to pull him over. If he ran from the police in his car I don't think it is a stretch to think he would run from them on foot.


have you ever had to deal with a cop? didnt think so.
the man is in a coma after having brain surgery! the cops are lying.
 
2008-09-22 10:07:03 PM  
The police may very well be in the wrong, here. If so, they deserve punishment (losing their jobs, for example).

However, if you are going into a "hypoglycemic episode" (which is, very likely, putting it lightly...), and are driving, you deserve to not only be arrested, you deserve to have your license suspended.
I'm sorry, but that is driving like you are drunk or high out of your mind. The reason the noted symptoms are (in some ways) similar to drunk drivers is BECAUSE THE SYMPTOMS ARE SIMILAR TO SOMEONE WHO IS DRUNK.
 
2008-09-22 10:07:45 PM  
Once again, I'm tired being lumped in the same "species" as these people, especially when scientists are in turmoil over what a species is.

I repeat my formal withdrawal from the species "homo sapiens" (along with my genes, as my progeny agree with me) if in fact homo sapiens continues to beat up diabetic motorists.

OTOH, if the guy was actually drunk - beat him up!
 
2008-09-22 10:07:53 PM  

ChadManMn: Kind of what I came here to say. My girlfriend is diabetic, and though she is also very sensitive to the symptoms of being high or low, she misses it sometimes. She can turn into a different person in the span of a half hour. Once she's disoriented, i.e. not thinking clearly, she doesn't always realize what is going on. She is just intensely pissed over nothing, but in her mind, she is totally justified in her actions. Then, the adrenaline kicks in and she's in fight or flight mode. It is not pretty. (In case anyone is wondering, the next phase is total weakness and what she describes as a terrible drunken feeling along with physical uneasiness, fatigue, and pain. When that sets in, its time to get the orange juice and fast.)

However, there is no excuse for police being unable to subdue a person without injuring them. Especially in this day and age.


Oh, I wouldn't say that's true. Weird shiat happens whenever there is physical contact. I sat on a federal excessive force case this past summer and there was a video of the incident in question. I can honestly say the police did nothing wrong, but the guy's ankle got broken when they took him to the ground (he was being very unruly). He was kind of fat and awkward, must have twisted wrong under him. He sued the state and rightfully didn't recover. I hung out with the accused police officer during the trial, and I can say with 99% certainty that he didn't want the guy to get hurt. People don't realize that any subduing is necessarily messy, even when handled by those with training. Human beings are just difficult to restrain.

That being said, the vast majority of the cops I've encountered in Boston have been total assholes. Just last weekend I tried to ask a cop on the beat for directions and got the 3rd degree about where I was going, why, and whether I was intoxicated and attempting to drive home drunk at the time. I was perfectly articulate and lucid, and I hadn't had a thing to drink all night. Why he would even ask that is beyond me. Just another dickhead looking to bust someone I guess.
 
2008-09-22 10:08:13 PM  

CtrlAltDelete: Is Wilford Brimley gonna have to kill a b*tch?


late..but THREAD OVER.

/opening illustrator and photoshop
//that'll make a great shirt design
///e-mail me at the address on my profile if you want a copy of the design
 
2008-09-22 10:09:52 PM  

zilch365: ChadManMn: Churchill2004: I'm a diabetic, and any diabetic who's on the road and allows their blood sugar to get too low is being negligent in the extreme. I'm normally no defender of the cops, but I've known several diabetics who get extremely aggressive and combative if they go into hypoglycemia. And the only way to "recognize the symptoms" is with a glucometer (the little finger-prick blood-drop thingamajig that Wilford Brimley's such a big fan of). There's no other way to tell the difference between a diabetic going nuts for lack of sugar and someone strung out on god knows what. Maybe a medical professional could, but it's not reasonable to expect a cop to be able to.

I am not a fan of the police generally, and I'm not ruling out that they were overly violent here, but at the same time I find it perfectly plausible that a person with dangerously low blood sugar could be a raging madman. I've seen it.

I'm lucky in that I'm really sensitive to hypoglycemia so I've always caught it before it gets anywhere close to that bad. But some people can't feel it coming on. Still, it's their responsiblity, particularly if they're driving.

Kind of what I came here to say. My girlfriend is diabetic, and though she is also very sensitive to the symptoms of being high or low, she misses it sometimes. She can turn into a different person in the span of a half hour. Once she's disoriented, i.e. not thinking clearly, she doesn't always realize what is going on. She is just intensely pissed over nothing, but in her mind, she is totally justified in her actions. Then, the adrenaline kicks in and she's in fight or flight mode. It is not pretty. (In case anyone is wondering, the next phase is total weakness and what she describes as a terrible drunken feeling along with physical uneasiness, fatigue, and pain. When that sets in, its time to get the orange juice and fast.)

However, there is no excuse for police being unable to subdue a person without injuring them. Especially in this day and age.

I think the taser might have shorted out his insulin pump, no?


I think the taser, the billy-club, and the badge extended the cops penis to incredible proportions.

/dont think a taser could short an insulin pump, and it wouldn't matter anyway. He had TOO MUCH insulin relative to blood sugar.
 
2008-09-22 10:10:18 PM  
I am also married to a diabetic. I haven't seen the nasty aggressive behaviour, but I have seen her QUICKLY nearly pass out 3 times. I mean like she sounds tired then falls out of her chair.

No matter how well controlled things are, there is always the chance that the blood sugar goes wonky.

I don't find anything this guy did out of the ordinary for a diabetic going into hypoglycemia. Maybe the officers are accurate in the things they say. It's quite possible he and his wife fought, and btwn that and all that junk t the movie his blood sugar went wonky.

I really do believe that there needs to be a ton better education on legit medical conditions that are a problem. He became unresponsive and ran away. He appeared drunk. This sounds like a blood sugar problem. Certainly, having lived with a diabetic, I would recognise it as such

Sadly, procedure can take lives. We need to do a lot better teaching our cops, and have expectations that they have other strategies.

I know a guy who has Type I diabetes and has had since he was quite young. He was pulled over by the side of the road in the small town where he went to college. It was time to take an insulin shot, so he gets his gear out, prepares, and then a "friendly" cop pulls up and won't listen to the fact that kid is diabetic. He got held in his car for 45 minutes because he was carrying "drug paraphernalia" due to a stupid small town jerkcop who mistook prescribed insulin for some other drugs. This guy's health was put at risk due to a cop who assumed one thing and wouldn't LOOK or LISTEN.
 
2008-09-22 10:10:33 PM  

sckonkh: You know who else sticks needles in their arms...

Juvenile diabetes


Thanks

/hates needles
//would kill myself if I got diabetes.
 
2008-09-22 10:11:10 PM  
Top 10 dangerous jobs... don't see cops on there. I guess this means fisherman can go around beating people into comas...


http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/16/pf/2005_most_dangerous_jobs/index.htm


So absurd that cops use that whole "they might be armed" deal. You knew it was a "dangerous" job when you signed up. You can't go around treating everyone like a criminal, when in reality, it is YOU who probably does the most bending/breaking of the law.
 
2008-09-22 10:11:13 PM  
Did anyone miss THIS part of the article?

"Pamela Griglen said she and her husband had gone to see "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" on June 15. They had popcorn, candy and soda as they watched the flick and then he dropped her off at Fairlane Mall in Dearborn."
 
2008-09-22 10:12:19 PM  
That'll teach him to appear drunk

More consequences of "appearing" drunk:
SAN JOSE (AP) ― A man who fell into a diabetic coma while driving and caused a fiery wreck that killed two people in 2006 has been indicted for vehicular manslaughter.

A grand jury also indicted John Mayfield on one count of driving under the influence in the July 10 crash, which injured seven others.

Santa Clara County prosecutors say Mayfield took an excessive dose of insulin and was suffering a bad reaction when his truck rammed into another vehicle carrying two 20-year-olds, Mary Bernstein and Robert Conway, who were stopped at the light. Both vehicles and two others nearby exploded into flames.
Source: http://cbs5.com/local/diabetic.fatal.crash.2.627044.html

(However, the charges were recently dismissed [sfgate.com].)
 
2008-09-22 10:12:40 PM  

ta2mama: Did anyone miss THIS part of the article?

"Pamela Griglen said she and her husband had gone to see "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" on June 15. They had popcorn, candy and soda as they watched the flick and then he dropped her off at Fairlane Mall in Dearborn."


You don't know shiat about diabetes do you?
 
2008-09-22 10:13:21 PM  
Odd that the wife never once mentioned a fight.
 
2008-09-22 10:14:17 PM  

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: ChadManMn: Kind of what I came here to say. My girlfriend is diabetic, and though she is also very sensitive to the symptoms of being high or low, she misses it sometimes. She can turn into a different person in the span of a half hour. Once she's disoriented, i.e. not thinking clearly, she doesn't always realize what is going on. She is just intensely pissed over nothing, but in her mind, she is totally justified in her actions. Then, the adrenaline kicks in and she's in fight or flight mode. It is not pretty. (In case anyone is wondering, the next phase is total weakness and what she describes as a terrible drunken feeling along with physical uneasiness, fatigue, and pain. When that sets in, its time to get the orange juice and fast.)

However, there is no excuse for police being unable to subdue a person without injuring them. Especially in this day and age.

Oh, I wouldn't say that's true. Weird shiat happens whenever there is physical contact. I sat on a federal excessive force case this past summer and there was a video of the incident in question. I can honestly say the police did nothing wrong, but the guy's ankle got broken when they took him to the ground (he was being very unruly). He was kind of fat and awkward, must have twisted wrong under him. He sued the state and rightfully didn't recover. I hung out with the accused police officer during the trial, and I can say with 99% certainty that he didn't want the guy to get hurt. People don't realize that any subduing is necessarily messy, even when handled by those with training. Human beings are just difficult to restrain.

That being said, the vast majority of the cops I've encountered in Boston have been total assholes. Just last weekend I tried to ask a cop on the beat for directions and got the 3rd degree about where I was going, why, and whether I was intoxicated and attempting to drive home drunk at the time. I was perfectly articulate and lucid, and I hadn't had a thing to drink all night. Why he would even ask that is beyond me. Just another dickhead looking to bust someone I guess.


Yeah, my post was probably a little strong. There should be an automatic review though, by an outside agency. I would suspect that this is standard practice in the better departments.

Maybe I've had one too many run-ins with asshole cops to be objective.

/for the record, no criminal history here, other than traffic crap
 
2008-09-22 10:15:37 PM  
Everybody outside of Chicago hates Ron Santo.

Didn't RTFA
 
2008-09-22 10:15:39 PM  
Isn't this why we have cameras on the dash? Where's the video?
 
2008-09-22 10:16:19 PM  
the cops pulled out the old "combative" accusation... amazing how all-encompassing that is... standing up for your civil rights? Nope... combative. Asking a question? nope, combative.

Cops are nothing but glorified meter maids. Sent out to steal...errrr.. collect revenue. When there's actual hard work to be done, they whip out their taser... or some actual investigation... they go on break.

when seconds count, the cops will be there in just a few minutes.

I don't mean to sound like they're all bad.. just more than should be.
 
2008-09-22 10:16:25 PM  

Rob4127: That'll teach him to appear drunk

More consequences of "appearing" drunk:
SAN JOSE (AP) ― A man who fell into a diabetic coma while driving and caused a fiery wreck that killed two people in 2006 has been indicted for vehicular manslaughter.

A grand jury also indicted John Mayfield on one count of driving under the influence in the July 10 crash, which injured seven others.

Santa Clara County prosecutors say Mayfield took an excessive dose of insulin and was suffering a bad reaction when his truck rammed into another vehicle carrying two 20-year-olds, Mary Bernstein and Robert Conway, who were stopped at the light. Both vehicles and two others nearby exploded into flames.
Source: http://cbs5.com/local/diabetic.fatal.crash.2.627044.html

(However, the charges were recently dismissed [sfgate.com].)


A diabetic coma isn't immunity from the law. If you have any previous history of going into diabetic shock you can be found liable for negligence and damages.
 
2008-09-22 10:17:42 PM  
i238.photobucket.com

at least 95% of cops=weak people that will do nearly anything they are told to
 
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