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2008-09-19 05:47:43 PM
I like the detailed answers from Obama yet find the vague responses from McCain disturbing and unsettling. The debates should be good.
 
2008-09-19 05:51:57 PM
But where do they stand on flag pins?
 
2008-09-19 05:52:49 PM
MLF (new window)
 
2008-09-19 05:53:10 PM
i'm sorry, but what does any of this have to do with lipstick? can we please stick to what's important?
 
2008-09-19 05:55:30 PM
I liked how McCain answered the question about how he drives like this, but I found lacking the way Obama explained why he drives like this
 
2008-09-19 05:58:08 PM
This is the answer to "like, such as?"
 
2008-09-19 06:11:08 PM
Iss-youz?
 
2008-09-19 06:16:00 PM
When you were in high school, did you ever have someone who constantly sat next to you and copied off your tests?

I had a math class once, we were all supposed to write a paper on some element of differential equations, and we had to propose our title and basic idea to the teacher before we started on the first draft.

I presented my idea when it was my turn. Kevin Herley, the guy who was always copying off my tests, who had nothing prepared and nothing on his desk, just rattled off a dumbed-down version of what I'd said when it was his time to talk. I mean literally, he just used some of the words from my thesis, but didn't use them in a way that made sense at all.

And then the teacher said "well Kevin, it sounds like you and Mors there are thinking along the same lines! Why don't you guys spend the rest of the class working together on your thesis!"

McBush doesn't have a single answer on here that isn't a complete 180 from his positions six months or a year ago, and most of them seem to be cribbing from stuff Obama's had published for a year or more. Further, much of it seems to be the Obama position with a little republican polish applied over top. I realize that one of my consistent complaints about Bush is that he was NEVER willing to revise a position when better information came along, but this really smacks more of Kevin repeating my thesis without knowing what I'd said than of McBush actually having a better understanding of the issues.

Maybe I'm small minded for thinking it, but there it is.
 
2008-09-19 06:18:46 PM
They sound surprisingly similar.

But given the track record of the republican party over the last 8 years I think i'll sick with the Obama camp.
 
2008-09-19 06:24:03 PM
Mors: McBush

You were doing so good up to that point... hard to take anyone seriously who calls McCain either McSame or McBush. Just like I can't take anyone seriously who calls Obama by B. Hussein Obama or Changy McHope.
 
2008-09-19 06:50:33 PM
What about candidates' feelings about the direction of US policy towards the South American rogue nation of Spain?
 
2008-09-19 06:54:07 PM
KaponoFor3: hard to take anyone seriously

Yeah, way to ignore the fact that McCain represents a continuation of your beloved Bush's failed policies.
 
2008-09-19 06:57:07 PM
KaponoFor3: You were doing so good up to that point...

See, there's the issue that I have. I'd have called him McHerley, but no one would get that.

With each passing day, I find it harder and harder to tell which position we get is actually McCain. Many of his proposed policies are straight-up cribs from Bush. Many are not. Many of his positions are straight-up cribs from Obama, at least recently. Many are not. But the long and the short of it is, I just have no real notion of who he is, and yeah it's fair to say that my disrespectful tone shows a deep bias. But it's a deep bias born of watching this continual blurring of who he is and what he stands for as he blends perfectly into a different-every-minute doppelganger for whomever is most beloved of the audience he's addressing.

And it would be a mistake to just take me as a dyed-in-the-wool Dem either... I volunteered at his local campaign office in 2000 - stuffing envelopes, yeah, but it was volunteer and it felt like helping. And when it was all over, and he was giving his concession to Bush, we all knew he'd be back.

I just keep needing to remind myself that if he was the same guy then as he is now, he kept it hidden well enough that I couldn't tell how much of a chameleon he is.

So maybe my bitterness, my willingness to call him McBush, my knee-jerk flinch to resent everything he does has a serious undercurrent of feeling like he has somehow betrayed the great McCain that I volunteered for, like the man he's turned into has made my "service" to him back then feel like I need to go become catholic in hopes that confession will wash the stain from my soul. Maybe.

But in the mean time, I stand by my assertion that more than anyone else, now, he reminds me of Kevin getting A after A on his tests because he was copying mine.

Yesdog: KaponoFor3: hard to take anyone seriously

Yeah, way to ignore the fact that McCain represents a continuation of your beloved Bush's failed policies.


He's right, though, if I'm going to be a better person and make more intelligent arguments than the "independent" trolls we have here, I should not stoop to their level. I will be inflammatory from time to time; I will try my damndest to never be a troll.

But the work day is ending for me as of now, so I'll see what people have to say on this subject on Monday. Ciao, all.
 
2008-09-19 07:03:26 PM
I was unaware of McCain's position on question #20. Glad to hear the ridiculous Bush policy on stem-cell research is going away.
 
2008-09-19 07:06:25 PM
KaponoFor3: You were doing so good up to that point... hard to take anyone seriously who calls McCain either McSame or McBush. Just like I can't take anyone seriously who calls Obama by B. Hussein Obama or Changy McHope.

You know who I can't take seriously...people that ignore the entire argument and just focuses on semantics in an effort to disregard everything.
 
2008-09-19 07:08:47 PM
Yesdog: KaponoFor3: hard to take anyone seriously

Yeah, way to ignore the fact that McCain represents a continuation of your beloved Bush's failed policies.


You're an idiot -- Bush is beloved by no one (kinda like the bad guy in the Wayne's World movies: "Benjamin is no one's friend. He is loved by no one.").

Either way, McCain = Bush third term is an argument (not a very good one), but its way better than McSame or McBush.
 
2008-09-19 07:10:26 PM
KaponoFor3: You're an idiot

Granted.
 
2008-09-19 07:11:13 PM
KaponoFor3: Either way, McCain = Bush third term is an argument (not a very good one), but its way better than McSame or McBush.

Why is it not a very good argument? He has taken policy stances that almost mirror Bush on a whole host of issues.

He's given no indication that it'd be anything different than 4 more years of the exact same GOP policies.
 
2008-09-19 07:20:40 PM
Mors: Maybe I'm small minded for thinking it, but there it is.

No, you're right. I've gotten the same feeling myself.
 
2008-09-19 07:30:38 PM
The McCain Lies Fund: what is Sarah Palin and 'the bridge to nowhere' referring to? Her first single?
 
2008-09-19 07:31:40 PM
hmmm. It seems one of them tends to share Republican idelas, while the other one is more of a democrat. Fascinating.
 
2008-09-19 07:31:45 PM
There are issues in this campaign?


...Old guy/Vagina '08
 
2008-09-19 07:33:14 PM
Jesus except on a few issues you can't tell them apart ... so much for the "McSame" myth.
 
2008-09-19 07:35:37 PM
Samsaran: Jesus except on a few issues you can't tell them apart ... so much for the "McSame" myth.

McCain's policies are the same as Bush's policies. Obama's policies are different. Therefore McCain is different from Bush.

LOLWUT?
 
2008-09-19 07:36:10 PM
Every problem has a best solution. For every problem, McCain has basically proposed the status quo, while Obama has proposed an idealistic, utopian solution that sounds great on paper but doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting through Congress.


McCain is a clueless, bummbling old fool, but Obama is just giving us all a bunch of lip service, and most of us lap it up because he's an excellent public speaker and a very charismatic fellow.


But as far as either of these two enacting even a single policy that will affect my life, or the life of the average U.S. citizen in the slightest? Not a chance.


It's going to be more of the same regardless of whether McCain or Obama takes the checkered flag come November. Deal with it.
 
2008-09-19 07:36:16 PM
FTFA

Obama: Ease restrictions on family-related travel and on money Cuban-Americans want to send their families in Cuba. Open to meeting new Cuban leader Raul Castro without preconditions.

In other words, Obama is more open to meeting Raul Castro than McCain was to meeting Obama.
 
2008-09-19 07:38:01 PM
KaponoFor3: You're an idiot

And here...we...go...

This thread should go well.
 
2008-09-19 07:38:56 PM
You said: According to a Gallup poll in July, Americans ranked Iran as the country's greatest enemy (25 percent), followed by Iraq (22 percent), China (14 percent) and North Korea (9 percent).

I take it Bush wasn't on the list, or he would way over 50 percent.
 
2008-09-19 07:40:07 PM
Boulderdash: I like the detailed answers from Obama yet find the vague responses from McCain disturbing and unsettling. The debates should be good.

Blame whomever wrote the article, not the candidate.
 
2008-09-19 07:40:43 PM
Samsaran: Jesus except on a few issues you can't tell them apart ... so much for the "McSame" myth.

omg so they're the same except for those policies on which they differ?

thanks for the tautology.

cue petulance in 3...2...
 
2008-09-19 07:43:23 PM
www.lefande.com
 
2008-09-19 07:43:24 PM
Arthur the Sandwich Maker: KaponoFor3: You're an idiot

And here...we...go...

This thread should go well.


At least it's not another Palin thread...
 
2008-09-19 07:44:35 PM
xria: You said: According to a Gallup poll in July, Americans ranked Iran as the country's greatest enemy (25 percent), followed by Iraq (22 percent), China (14 percent) and North Korea (9 percent).

I take it Bush wasn't on the list, or he would way over 50 percent.


Bush? I'm more worried about Rosie.
 
2008-09-19 07:45:52 PM
OgreMagi: Boulderdash: I like the detailed answers from Obama yet find the vague responses from McCain disturbing and unsettling. The debates should be good.

Blame whomever wrote the article, not the candidate.


Maybe if McCain had definite policy, the author would've put some up.
 
2008-09-19 07:46:58 PM
It is refreshing to read coherent, smart articles. I'm still pissed that Gannett forced out the newspapers from the rest of the state, including the St. Pete Times, from Tallahassee. I used to spend Sunday afternoon reading the SPT. Now I spend the time it takes to eat breakfast reading the fishwrap Tallahassee Democrat.
 
2008-09-19 07:47:41 PM
lefande

Oh don't worry, we haven't forgotten he's still out there.
 
2008-09-19 07:48:00 PM
lefande:

www.McCainpedia.org (a project of the Democratic party)
 
2008-09-19 07:48:25 PM
Samsaran: Jesus except on a few issues you can't tell them apart ... so much for the "McSame" myth.

You know better than that. McCain changed almost his entire platform in order to fit the Obama model. If it gets him elected, no one should believe for one moment that he'll follow through on any of it.
 
2008-09-19 07:50:33 PM
National catastrophic insurance program: The congressional budget office estimated the fund would cost taxpayers $25 billion annually.

Frig that. Move further away from ocean and rivers, or you on your own insurance. At least build higher levees in flood areas. No trailer homes in tornado alley. No homes with wood shingle roofing in wooded areas. Etc, etc, etc.
 
2008-09-19 07:50:35 PM
So I started to read the article, and saw this:

The first, to be held at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, Miss, will focus on domestic issues. The second, on Oct. 7 at Belmont University in Nashville, will be a town-hall format with questions submitted by the audience. The third, on Oct. 15 at Hofstra University in New York, is devoted to foreign policy questions.

If the author has basic facts completely opposite reality (pops for great truthiness) in the second paragraph, why bother reading the rest?
 
2008-09-19 07:50:43 PM
sonnyboy11: At least it's not another Palin thread...

Why so Sarahus?

I'm sorry, I'm so sorry...
 
2008-09-19 07:52:05 PM
atlanta_ufo: Move further away from ocean and rivers, or you on your own insurance. At least build higher levees in flood areas. No trailer homes in tornado alley. No homes with wood shingle roofing in wooded areas. Etc, etc, etc.

And evacuate California?
 
2008-09-19 07:52:45 PM
Kumana Wanalaia: lefande:

www.McCainpedia.org (a project of the Democratic party)


I like this one where the libitards blame McCain for the Forrestal fire. (p) It doesn't get any scummier than that.
 
2008-09-19 07:52:50 PM
ISSUES? Fark that!
I want appeals to emotion and 5 second soundbites that I can take out of context when I argue with people who are voting for the other guy.
 
2008-09-19 07:53:49 PM
Omg the election has issues? What happened to the good old popularity contest?
 
2008-09-19 07:54:47 PM
I told you republicans/social conservatives: McCain is not one of you. You don't have a horse in this race running for President. Your 'horse' is the VP pick. Have fun with that one.
 
2008-09-19 07:55:37 PM
Mors: With each passing day, I find it harder and harder to tell which position we get is actually McCain. Many of his proposed policies are straight-up cribs from Bush. Many are not. Many of his positions are straight-up cribs from Obama, at least recently. Many are not. But the long and the short of it is, I just have no real notion of who he is, and yeah it's fair to say that my disrespectful tone shows a deep bias. But it's a deep bias born of watching this continual blurring of who he is and what he stands for as he blends perfectly into a different-every-minute doppelganger for whomever is most beloved of the audience he's addressing.

This. He's blowing in the wind.
 
2008-09-19 07:55:52 PM
if this country really wanted change they would have voted for Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul.
 
2008-09-19 07:56:39 PM
Boulderdash: I like the detailed answers from Obama vague responses from McCain yet find the vague responses from McCain detailed answers from Obama disturbing and unsettling.

FTF the average American

/sad but true
//The debates will be won in the eyes of the American public by bromides and simple-minded certainty. (c.f. 2004)
 
2008-09-19 07:56:49 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: lefande

Oh don't worry, we haven't forgotten he's still out there.


And I don't want him sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom.

I am confident that McCain will blow up much more stuff to find him, starting with Iran.
 
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