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2008-09-19 11:12:40 PM
sigdiamond2000: Samsaran: So, is it a troll because it is untrue or because it is true and I posted it here?

That's really a question for the Gods, isn't it?


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Buddy Christ says: SLOOPADOOPAHOO!

I would come up with something1 more witty but I'm a deluded, useful idiot.
 
2008-09-19 11:14:08 PM
outlanderreader: Juniper Jupiter,

Let me get this straight. You became an atheist because you were disenchanted with your church. That's like ceasing to believe in eating because you became disenchanted with your supermarket. Obviously, there wasn't much more philosophical depth behind your faith than there is underpinning your current lack of it.



No no no.

Go back to the post; the very beginning, in fact.

I said, "ONE of the reasons..."

There are many, many other reasons.

This is just one of them, a tip of the iceberg, if you will.

I just ramble too much to go into why I'm not, plus there's a few tragedies that add up to it.

/How's that for depth?
 
2008-09-19 11:14:41 PM
The Icelander: The worst part is that it was a fairly civil religion thread until Samsaran and his ilk showed up.

Dude, why are you so obsessed with me? It's creeping me out. You are the one making all the fuss. How many posts have you used flaming me? No one else is upset just you. So, here is a tip, put me on your ignore list and take a Xanax and lie down for a bit. We will all enjoy ourselves so much more.

You have this idea that you are in control here. You are not.
 
2008-09-19 11:15:32 PM
Samsaran: Fark is a perfect place to observe these poor wretches in their natural habitat.

Actually, Sam, this is just the lobby. You need to head over to Slashdot to see the devout. ;)
 
2008-09-19 11:17:24 PM
G3 Power: Wow. You know, I must be tired because normally I wouldn't have fallen for such an obvious troll, but I'm in a silly mood from lack of sleep. Thanks for the tipoff mate, and may you and all of us "pseudo-intellectuals" continue to entertain and embiggen the penis of Samsaran and his cult of trolls-in-training.

Wow this guy was easily intimidated by The Icelander I guess his bully tactics work on some people.
 
2008-09-19 11:23:39 PM
Samsaran: You have this idea that you are in control here. You are not.

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2008-09-19 11:25:56 PM
One of the things I find hard to understand about Fundamentalists of all types, and I include Jewish and Muslim Fundamentalists in this group as well, is their selective choice of scripture and their idiosyncratic literal interpretations of scriptural passages to suit their own purpose while all the while claiming to be the "true faith".

Karen Armstrong, one of my favorite authors on the subject of Comparative Religion wrote a wonderful work on the subject called "The Battle for God" (new window) ... an absolute must read for the serious student of the historical and cultural influence of religion.
 
2008-09-19 11:26:53 PM
ninjakirby:
Dude, what took you so long?
 
2008-09-19 11:27:48 PM
Samsaran: One of the things I find hard to understand about Fundamentalists of all types, and I include Jewish and Muslim Fundamentalists in this group as well, is their selective choice of scripture and their idiosyncratic literal interpretations of scriptural passages to suit their own purpose while all the while claiming to be the "true faith".

It's interesting he finds this so difficult to understand, because the first half of the book is dedicated to that very topic. You'd think after reading it (as I have) you would have some sort of understanding about the subject..
 
2008-09-19 11:28:14 PM
Samsaran,

It's interesting how Farkers label anyone who disagrees with the orthodoxy here a troll. In other words, they want to avoid taking dissent from their self-evidently true doctrines seriously.

We can also see here why liberalism has given us hate-speech laws. They don't even want to hear contrary opinions. It's wonderful to experience the tolerance of the left.
 
2008-09-19 11:28:34 PM
ADubs86: ninjakirby:
Dude, what took you so long?


I was gardening and then cooking enchiladas.
 
2008-09-19 11:28:55 PM
Zagloba: McStinky: Baptists are the money booze cock hungry ones.

FTFY
 
2008-09-19 11:29:48 PM
ninjakirby: Samsaran: You have this idea that you are in control here. You are not.

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2008-09-19 11:30:39 PM
iaazathot: SBC Baptists generally represent the worst type of Christian. They are bigoted, nasty spirited people. They are the heart of the fundie problem in this country.

Well, I halfway agree with you - they are either the worst of the lot, or are among the best. Some of the most humble, loving people I know are Southern Baptist. It's a denomination of extremes. Can we agree on that?

/Full disclosure: Raised in a 'moderate' Baptist church. Currently an agnostic, at best/worst.
//Drinking a beer right now.
///Glorious, heavenly, delicious beer.
 
2008-09-19 11:32:24 PM
However, your insulting of us means that you must therefore not be a true intellectual.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

indylaw,

When did I ever say I was a true intellectual?

And, yes, you are confused. But not more so than the average Farker.
 
2008-09-19 11:32:47 PM
Southern Baptist Convention, said, "It is contrary to what we believe"

Note to SBC, the catlics, et al.

*Believing* in something is not enough to make it a fact.

Besides, and it's a true old saw, but assuming for a moment that there really is a god, you wouldn't have to *believe* there is, would you?

Boiled down, this *believing* stuff bears all the hallmarks of fairy tale, and made-up make-believe, doesn't it?
 
2008-09-19 11:34:55 PM
The Icelander: G3 Power: //flame on good people

The worst part is that it was a fairly civil religion thread until Samsaran and his ilk showed up.


Now that you mention it...
 
2008-09-19 11:40:57 PM
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QUICK! To the jesus mobile!
 
2008-09-19 11:41:40 PM
outlanderreader: We can also see here why liberalism Christian fundamentalism has given us hate-speech laws anti-intellectualism, Intelligent Design "theory", and the idea that the Iraq War is "God's Will", among other things. They don't even want to hear contrary opinions. It's wonderful to experience the tolerance of the left right.

Fixed that for you.

I consider myself a liberal, but I disagree with hate speech laws, and I'm perfectly willing to listen to a well-reasoned opinion as long as the other person is willing to listen to mine.
 
2008-09-19 11:42:18 PM
If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?
 
2008-09-19 11:44:18 PM
fifth_of_november: If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?

She's not preaching Gods will, she acting out Gods will. Big difference.
 
2008-09-19 11:45:59 PM
outlanderreader: We can also see here why liberalism has given us hate-speech laws. They don't even want to hear contrary opinions. It's wonderful to experience the tolerance of the left.

I know what you mean. They are like Fundies in that they fail to see their own hypocrisy. A prime example is the "Fark Atheist" now the real life atheists I know are low key and have a "live and let live" philosophy with respect to the beliefs of others. I have had many wonderful conversations with them. The Fark Atheist on the other hand, not only believes in his atheism, but he is convinced that he has some special knowledge and insists that everyone else believe as he does. They fail to see that they are engaging in "faith" that is in believing something for which he has no proof. In his faith he is as closed minded and bitterly strident as any hardcore Baptist.

Moreover, they tend to paint all people of faith with a broad brush. In their eyes all Christians are literalists, fundamentalists and young earth creationists, while in truth, these folks are very much a minority in the community of faith.

This is hypocrisy of the rankest sort.
 
2008-09-19 11:48:08 PM
anfrind,

Even if how you characterize these "fundamentalists" is correct (I'm not a SB, by the way), how does this relate to what I mentioned about intolerance? How is someone rendered intolerant simply by espousing views you consider stupid?

There is no comparison between any such thing as what you mention and hate-speech laws. As long as we have freedom of speech, we can debate positions in the arena of ideas and perhaps ascertain what truly is stupid and what isn't. Without freedom of speech, there is nothing but an echo chamber.

Thanks for breaking it for me.
 
2008-09-19 11:55:54 PM
Samsaran: You have this idea that you are in control here. You are not.

Ron Paul?
 
2008-09-19 11:56:15 PM
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2008-09-19 11:57:30 PM
I came here for the hot nun pics.

/left disappointed.
 
2008-09-19 11:58:57 PM
Samsaran,

Absolutely, true fundamentalism is extremely rare. As I understand it, "Christian fundamentalism" originated with some pamphlets titled "The Fundamentals" written by anonymous authors between 1910 and 1915. Very few people adhere to what is contained therein. In fact, they are such a minority that anyone who behaves as if they have great influence only reveals his own ignorance.

Yet, Farker types love branding any person of faith with whom they disagree a "fundamentalist." Ooh, one of those scary people. Why, maybe we should transfer them all to some isolated island. Fundamentalist is much like the words "Nazi" or "fascist"; why bother to think when you can just dismiss people with some callow characterizations?
 
2008-09-19 11:59:02 PM
Samsaran: The Fark Atheist on the other hand, not only believes in his atheism, but he is convinced that he has some special knowledge and insists that everyone else believe as he does.

"I am an anomaly here. My logic is flawless, my education extensive and my mode of expression eloquent. I know this sounds arrogant, but it is true." ~ Samsaran.

"Why do you people always try and make the discussion about me for crying out loud? I'm unique. I get it." ~ Samsaran


Discuss.
 
2008-09-20 12:01:45 AM
outlanderreader: As I understand it, "Christian fundamentalism" originated with some pamphlets titled "The Fundamentals" written by anonymous authors between 1910 and 1915.

They weren't anonymous at all - it's a collection of essays with well individual authors. They're all named.
 
2008-09-20 12:05:13 AM
what I don't understand about "educated" Christians is how does anyone believe that there is some mystical power who was able to impregnate a married virgin, she remained a virgin. Then when this miracle baby is born, it is actually God himself. Some twisted incest there, he is his own son.

Then there is some mention how he rises from the dead after 3 days, but he is not alive. He remains dead, yet he lives. Then by some miracle, people who die after that live on with him for eternity, no 3 day waiting period. Why did the father/son thing have to wait 3 days?

Unless you are brain damaged, none of that makes sense in our Universe as we understand it.

The Santa Clause myth makes more sense and is more plausible. Yet Christians mock adults that believe in Santa Clause.
 
2008-09-20 12:06:04 AM
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Says it all, for me, really.
 
2008-09-20 12:06:21 AM
outlanderreader: As I understand it, "Christian fundamentalism" originated with some pamphlets titled "The Fundamentals" written by anonymous authors between 1910 and 1915

Thanks for that info ... of to google.
 
2008-09-20 12:06:36 AM
SAMMICH

make me one
 
2008-09-20 12:08:14 AM
Samsaran: outlanderreader: As I understand it, "Christian fundamentalism" originated with some pamphlets titled "The Fundamentals" written by anonymous authors between 1910 and 1915

Thanks for that info ... of to google.


You didn't know that? It's in the book you recommended not half an hour ago!
 
2008-09-20 12:09:35 AM
lurgid bee:

SAMMICH

make me one


Would you like holy water with that?
 
2008-09-20 12:14:11 AM
outlanderreader: Even if how you characterize these "fundamentalists" is correct (I'm not a SB, by the way), how does this relate to what I mentioned about intolerance? How is someone rendered intolerant simply by espousing views you consider stupid?

There are basically two ways to respond to views that don't fit with your current beliefs:

1. Listen to the argument behind those views, and if the argument makes sense, adjust your beliefs accordingly, otherwise refute the opposing view and explain why you disagree with it (this might lead to describing the view as "stupid").

2. Assume that your beliefs are correct and ignore or suppress any views that don't fit with them.

In any group that shares an ideology, you'll find some fanatics that always respond the second way. But some groups seem to have a greater tendency toward such fanaticism than others (I don't claim to understand why that is), and in some (perhaps most?) cases you eventually find that the fanatics become the dominant force in any discussion.


How do you judge whether the argument for a particular view or belief makes sense? You have to do some serious thinking. Try to find a way to justify it that doesn't devolve to blindly stating "X says it's true, therefore it must be true". Learn the tools of logic. Understand the various logical fallacies and avoid them.

Yes, it's hard. But in order to be a good citizen (at least as the Founding Fathers intended), you need to be able to think that way--if a would-be tyrant tries to convince you to follow his system of beliefs, you need to be able to analyze them so that you can discern what he actually represents (it might be very different from what he claims to represent).

It does seem like a large part of the U.S. population is incapable of using this kind of logic, and that scares me.
 
2008-09-20 12:17:34 AM
ninjakirby: fifth_of_november: If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?

She's not preaching Gods will, she acting out Gods will. Big difference.


What happens when she loses? How will that shape your faith?
 
2008-09-20 12:18:05 AM
RandomExcess: what I don't understand about "educated" Christians is how does anyone believe that there is some mystical power who was able to impregnate a married virgin, she remained a virgin. Then when this miracle baby is born, it is actually God himself. Some twisted incest there, he is his own son.

Now is that a legitimate concern or just snark? Giving you the benefit of the doubt I would say this: Many educated Christians do believe in the mythos of Christian dogma ... to them it is an matter of faith. Others, understanding these stories in the context of their time, tend to focus on the actual message of Jesus, which is love, tolerance, charity, forgiveness, kindness to the stranger, obedience to the spirit of the law rather than its strict letter and the direct communion with God, the logos i.e. the rational force which permeates the universe, without the intercession of animal sacrifice, priest and temple elite. It was this last that got him killed by the Romans.

Historians see the miracle stories in the later Greek gospels as an attempt by the authors to place Jesus among the ranks of "God Man" in the same way that Pythagoras and some of Jesus' contemporaries were seen. It was an attempt to make Jesus more accessible to the new Christians in the Greco-Roman world.

If you truly wish to understand Jesus and his message it is best to focus on the actual words of the teacher himself and less on the mythos which grew up around him after his death, the destruction of the Temple and the expansion of the Church into the Greek and Latin speaking regions of the ancient world.
 
2008-09-20 12:20:14 AM
Samsaran:

Stop. Just stop. Funny how you're the one saying we're the 'high and mighty' types. Also,as for your crticism of women's rights,I pose this question:was Deborah not a judge?

/Christian also,but also believes in(GASP!)free will
//Laughs at those that try to 'speed up' the conversion process
///^1 Corinthians 3 for reference
 
2008-09-20 12:20:50 AM
outlanderreader: Samsaran wrote:

"Do you know why so many farkers claim to be "atheist"? It is because they belong to the "geek subculture".

Its primary characteristics are:

a) hedonism, especially with regard to sex (although granted a lot of the sex is masturbation to internet pornography;
b) anti-authoritarianism (hence the tendency to espouse things like Libertarianism, Atheism, Anarchism and other doctrines seen as a challenge to mainstream culture);
c) shallow pseudo-intellectualism, that is to say slavish devotion to intellectual and scientific ideas of which they have only the vaguest understanding,
d) a desire to be "unique" which oddly enough leads them to be unique exactly like the others in their sub-group be it hair styles, music choices, body modification etc.
e) cynical, pessimistic and bitter world view especially of their country, religion and the values of their parents.
f) Hopelessness

Fark is a perfect place to observe these poor wretches in their natural habitat."

Sam,

Absolutely spot-on. You really put that beautifully.

It's OK, though, because what these pseudo-intellectuals don't understand is that true intellectuals would mock them. I say "would" because true intellectuals possess wisdom and therefore tend to have more humility and love of their fellow man.

What Farkers don't realize is that they're merely deluded, useful idiots, totally imbued with the spirit of the age. "Yeah, man, global warming, choice, women's rights, gay marriage, yeah, man. Pass the weed, dude."


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Pro tip: replying in agreement with your main is a dead giveaway.
 
2008-09-20 12:21:52 AM
vartian: ninjakirby: fifth_of_november: If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?

She's not preaching Gods will, she acting out Gods will. Big difference.

What happens when she loses? How will that shape your faith?


Oh come on, I was being sarcastic. If I had any sort of religious faith, I'd think Sarah Palin was the devil.

BTW, someone relay this to Samsaran McFingers-in-Ears.



Between 1910 and 1915, they issued a series of twelve paperback pamphlets entitled The Fundamentals, in which leading conservative theologians gave accessible accounts of such doctrines as the Trinity, refuted the Higher Criticism, and stressed the importance of spreading the Truth of the Gospel.

- The Battle For God, ch 6 'Fundamentals' p 176, Karen Armstrong.
 
2008-09-20 12:22:57 AM
Vash's Apprentice: Stop. Just stop. Funny how you're the one saying we're the 'high and mighty' types. Also,as for your crticism of women's rights,I pose this question:was Deborah not a judge?

What? I think you have the wrong guy. I am in no way critical of equal rights for anyone. Please check again and quote the post to which you are referring.
 
2008-09-20 12:23:16 AM
ninjakirby: You didn't know that? It's in the book you recommended not half an hour ago!

Yeah. He's a fake.

Christ...why is it so f*cking hard for people to recognize trolls? It's insane. Your default position on any Fark post should be that it's a troll.

Why, after all these years, is this so difficult to understand?
 
2008-09-20 12:23:26 AM
ninjakirby: vartian: ninjakirby: fifth_of_november: If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?

She's not preaching Gods will, she acting out Gods will. Big difference.

What happens when she loses? How will that shape your faith?

Oh come on, I was being sarcastic. If I had any sort of religious faith, I'd think Sarah Palin was the devil.

BTW, someone relay this to Samsaran McFingers-in-Ears.



Between 1910 and 1915, they issued a series of twelve paperback pamphlets entitled The Fundamentals, in which leading conservative theologians gave accessible accounts of such doctrines as the Trinity, refuted the Higher Criticism, and stressed the importance of spreading the Truth of the Gospel.
- The Battle For God, ch 6 'Fundamentals' p 176, Karen Armstrong.


the ignore list helps cut down on the noise in here.
 
2008-09-20 12:24:13 AM
Somebody wake me when this thread actually gets interesting.

/thanks
 
2008-09-20 12:26:51 AM
ninjakirby: vartian: ninjakirby: fifth_of_november: If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?

She's not preaching Gods will, she acting out Gods will. Big difference.

What happens when she loses? How will that shape your faith?

Oh come on, I was being sarcastic. If I had any sort of religious faith, I'd think Sarah Palin was the devil.


Oh, I'm sure there's someone out there who believes (or at least preaches) that if McCain and Palin lose the election, it'll be a sign of the coming Apocalypse.
 
2008-09-20 12:29:21 AM
anfrind: ninjakirby: vartian: ninjakirby: fifth_of_november: If you can't trust a woman to be a preacher, than you sure as hell can't trust one to be the Vice President, right? Right?

She's not preaching Gods will, she acting out Gods will. Big difference.

What happens when she loses? How will that shape your faith?

Oh come on, I was being sarcastic. If I had any sort of religious faith, I'd think Sarah Palin was the devil.

Oh, I'm sure there's someone out there who believes (or at least preaches) that if McCain and Palin lose the election, it'll be a sign of the coming Apocalypse.


the Barackalypse?

/sorry
//tired
///slashies
 
2008-09-20 12:36:07 AM
My mom's a non-denominational pastor, so I'm really getting a kick...

/She was finally allowed to become one at around age 60.
 
2008-09-20 12:39:05 AM
Fully clothed? An abomination!

From the Creation Museum:
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2008-09-20 12:39:33 AM
Samsaran: Vash's Apprentice: Stop. Just stop. Funny how you're the one saying we're the 'high and mighty' types. Also,as for your crticism of women's rights,I pose this question:was Deborah not a judge?

What? I think you have the wrong guy. I am in no way critical of equal rights for anyone. Please check again and quote the post to which you are referring.


Oh,fark! Somehow the posts of you and Outlanderreader merged in my mind. My bad.

Notice how I didn't say I was an intellectual xD
 
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