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2008-09-19 01:13:35 AM  
"It was really embarrassing and humiliating to have to wear that all day - and just for supporting your country," his sister Kaycee Shelly said.

Seems odd that violating the US Flag Code is "supporting your country".

The U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8(d)(p) states, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

/I keed
 
2008-09-19 04:27:51 AM  
Does this mean I can't wear my red white and blue banana hammock to work?
 
2008-09-19 05:10:31 AM  
eqtworld: Does this mean I can't wear my red white and blue banana hammock to work?

I hope not. Streaking is offensive to some people.

/not me
 
2008-09-19 05:26:17 AM  
FTA: "DVC: Dress Code Violator."

What?
 
2008-09-19 05:26:27 AM  
 
2008-09-19 05:28:29 AM  
The shirt was tie-dyed and it was a homecoming spirit day, theme = Hippie Day.


This administrator needs to find another job!
 
2008-09-19 05:29:03 AM  
www.absoluteanime.com

Bandit Keith unavailable for comment.....IN AMERICA!
 
2008-09-19 05:34:20 AM  
fanyard.files.wordpress.com

/ Jessica is appalled
 
2008-09-19 05:37:08 AM  
think anyone wants to mess with me when i'm wearing these? how would you like a roundhouse kick to the face from AMERICA?
 
2008-09-19 05:49:59 AM  
No matter how clear the code was, this administrator is farked.
 
2008-09-19 05:51:23 AM  
www.blog.thesietch.org

More mellow in England, we let vagrants use it to keep warm.
 
2008-09-19 05:54:04 AM  
So that american flag automobile air freshener may get me in trouble too?
 
2008-09-19 05:57:30 AM  
These school administrators and principles are becoming more pin headed by the week. Weak minded people on power trips.

If they truly want such a strict dress code they should push to get uniforms in school or leave these kids alone.

Roger Waters - "HEY! TEACHERS! Leave them kids alone!"

Used to chew shredded beef jerky in a plastic can, Looked like chewing tobacco (That was the fad in junior high back then).

Principal stopped me in the hall last day of 9th grade, He noticed the circle outline in my back pocket, Threatened to not let me graduate junior high.

He didn't believe it was beef jerky.

Then i took a piece of it chewed it and swallowed it in front of him, Offered him some too.

The look on his face was memorable, Looked like he was standing naked in an auditorium full of people.
 
2008-09-19 06:05:19 AM  
Unfortunately, as someone who grew up near the area, this doesn't surprise me a bit. The whole county if full of nutters and big fish who live in a very small pond, especially in the County offices of Education. Hell, MCOE expelled one of my friends for installing mIRC (in his senior year, lost a CalTech scholarship).

And yet the powers that be in the county wonder why everyone moves as soon as they can.

/Moved 80 miles away, and I still commute to Merced for work
//Not living there more than makes up for the drive
 
2008-09-19 06:15:06 AM  
Philbb is right. You're not supposed to use the country's flag as clothes. It's disrepectful to the flag. That's the rules.
 
2008-09-19 06:24:34 AM  
RULES ARE RULES especially when things like wearing your trousers too low or other darkie things are involved. ADMINISTRATORS ARE PINHEADS if they try to enforce rules that prevent god-fearing republicans from literally wrapping themselves in the flag.

Do i have this thread about right?
 
2008-09-19 06:32:21 AM  
tony41454: Philbb is right. You're not supposed to use the country's flag as clothes. It's disrepectful to the flag. That's the rules.

You're not supposed to take a flag and make it into clothes. There is nothing wrong with putting a picture of a flag on your clothes.
 
2008-09-19 06:44:40 AM  
Philbb:
Seems odd that violating the US Flag Code is "supporting your country".

The U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8(d)(p) states, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.


No it's liberals like you who are violating the REAL flag code - show the flag proud and often to let the doubters and other America haters know that we stand united. If that means wearing it as a shirt then I say git er done.
 
2008-09-19 06:45:27 AM  
a t-shirt is not a flag
 
2008-09-19 06:50:08 AM  
No Such Agency: No it's liberals like you who are violating the REAL flag code - show the flag proud and often to let the doubters and other America haters know that we stand united. If that means wearing it as a shirt then I say git er done.

WRONG. It is only patriotic if it has beer stains on it.
 
2008-09-19 06:57:00 AM  
Is this the thread where I lurk and wait for someone to say something unpatriotic, then quote them and call them a communist?
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Good, I have come to the right place.

/America, Fark Yeah!
//*begins masturbating furiously staring at the wiki on Betsy Ross*
 
2008-09-19 07:01:27 AM  
No Such Agency: Philbb:
Seems odd that violating the US Flag Code is "supporting your country".

The U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8(d)(p) states, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

No it's liberals like you who are violating the REAL flag code - show the flag proud and often to let the doubters and other America haters know that we stand united. If that means wearing it as a shirt then I say git er done.


So the flag code means nothing to you?

/If your post was sarcasm, then never mind.
 
2008-09-19 07:05:07 AM  
Kaycee Shelly told members of the media at lunchtime that her brother was overwhelmed and did not want to do any more interviews.

Earlier in the day, he was speaking with a local news station when an unidentified teacher walked up to him, ripped off the microphone clipped to his shirt and told him he was not allowed to talk to the media.


Wow!
 
2008-09-19 07:09:01 AM  
The teacher that ripped the mic off the kid needs a good kick in the hinder.
 
2008-09-19 07:13:07 AM  
Malachilenomade: The teacher that ripped the mic off the kid needs a good kick in the hinder.

That teacher needs to be hunted down and beat with a long stick.
 
2008-09-19 07:14:59 AM  
Philbb: "It was really embarrassing and humiliating to have to wear that all day - and just for supporting your country," his sister Kaycee Shelly said.

Seems odd that violating the US Flag Code is "supporting your country".

The U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8(d)(p) states, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

/I keed


Having a flag ON your clothes is NOT the same as having a flag made into clothes or wearing it as a cape. You are not supposed to desecrate a flag. But having a shirt/car freshener/car decorated/painted with a flag or flag motif is not the same as an actual flag.

Not the sharpest pencil in the box are ya?

Or perhaps you were too stoned to remember the 70's when kids were getting expelled for having Flag patches sewn onto their jeans pockets. Supreme court said it was a first amendment freedom. First amendment.. you remember that one?

Think Boobies later.
 
2008-09-19 07:21:50 AM  
err.. ok..

not that Thinking Boobies now or later is a bad thing.. but that's not exactly what I wrote.

Think Boobies Later.
 
2008-09-19 07:23:02 AM  
ROFL..

I guess I'll give up now

What I was trying to say was to engage brain before posting.
 
2008-09-19 07:26:29 AM  
Sean Hannity seen rubbing hands together, salivating.

What, was Bush bending over nearby?
 
2008-09-19 07:27:08 AM  
3steps: Having a flag ON your clothes is NOT the same as having a flag made into clothes or wearing it as a cape. You are not supposed to desecrate a flag. But having a shirt/car freshener/car decorated/painted with a flag or flag motif is not the same as an actual flag.

Depends on what the definition of "flag" is.
 
2008-09-19 07:31:32 AM  
JQPublic: Kaycee Shelly told members of the media at lunchtime that her brother was overwhelmed and did not want to do any more interviews.

Earlier in the day, he was speaking with a local news station when an unidentified teacher walked up to him, ripped off the microphone clipped to his shirt and told him he was not allowed to talk to the media.

Wow!


Ya serious wow.. jaw dropping WTF actually...

And that is where the lawsuit needs to come in. Either that or the school board for the original dress code. But while the administrator certainly screwed up on such a politically charged issue. Her decision would actually seem to be in line with the dress code as written. To now come back and say 'oh sorry.. ALL flags are now allowed' would seem to be the opposite of what the code was trying to accomplish which was to piss off all kids.. err which was to allay 'racial' tensions. ie: La Raza protests of Mexican unity such as during the amnesty discussions in congress.

But I'm just guessing here as I wasn't there and hopefully never will be...
 
2008-09-19 07:32:06 AM  
3steps [TotalFark] Quote 2008-09-19 07:14:59 AM

Having a flag ON your clothes is NOT the same as having a flag made into clothes or wearing it as a cape. You are not supposed to desecrate a flag. But having a shirt/car freshener/car decorated/painted with a flag or flag motif is not the same as an actual flag.

Not the sharpest pencil in the box are ya?

Or perhaps you were too stoned to remember the 70's when kids were getting expelled for having Flag patches sewn onto their jeans pockets. Supreme court said it was a first amendment freedom. First amendment.. you remember that one?

Think Boobies later.


Um... just because they said it was the first amendment doesn't mean your interp of the flag code is correct. They also said flag burning is protected by the first amendment in US v. Johnston and US v. Eichman (sp?)

Long story short, you can violate the flag code pretty much all you want as long as you're "making a statement" (almost anything)... they just can't punish you for it because it violates your 1st amendment rights. Doesn't mean having an american flag shirt doesn't violate it and you can put a flag on your clothes. Interpreting the code as only applying when the clothing is made from a flag just completely guts it by playing semantics. Not even saying the code is "right"... just saying that interpretation of it is way off.

But then, it's a lot easier to say you're patriotic by buying cheap clothing with flags festooned all over from Walmart that's made in China then actually... you know... doing something meaningful.
 
2008-09-19 07:33:42 AM  
Oh yeah... the mic grabbing teacher definitely needs to get their comeuppance as well.

/Haven't heard that word used in a while. Glad to see it was in the spellcheck.
 
2008-09-19 07:36:31 AM  
PC LOAD LETTER: 3steps: Having a flag ON your clothes is NOT the same as having a flag made into clothes or wearing it as a cape. You are not supposed to desecrate a flag. But having a shirt/car freshener/car decorated/painted with a flag or flag motif is not the same as an actual flag.

Depends on what the definition of "flag" is.


no actually it doesn't

a flag is not a shirt with a flag on it. A flag is a FLAG. Although maybe it's different in different places. Perhaps in your town they just clothespin a t-shirt onto the flag pole and call it good. But not around here. A red, white and blue decoration is not an American Flag.
 
2008-09-19 07:40:55 AM  
PC LOAD LETTER: 3steps: Having a flag ON your clothes is NOT the same as having a flag made into clothes or wearing it as a cape. You are not supposed to desecrate a flag. But having a shirt/car freshener/car decorated/painted with a flag or flag motif is not the same as an actual flag.

Depends on what the definition of "flag" is.



It also depends on what your definition of "is" is.
 
2008-09-19 07:43:20 AM  
jboy: 3steps [TotalFark] Quote 2008-09-19 07:14:59 AM

Having a flag ON your clothes is NOT the same as having a flag made into clothes or wearing it as a cape. You are not supposed to desecrate a flag. But having a shirt/car freshener/car decorated/painted with a flag or flag motif is not the same as an actual flag.

Not the sharpest pencil in the box are ya?

Or perhaps you were too stoned to remember the 70's when kids were getting expelled for having Flag patches sewn onto their jeans pockets. Supreme court said it was a first amendment freedom. First amendment.. you remember that one?

Think Boobies later.

Um... just because they said it was the first amendment doesn't mean your interp of the flag code is correct. They also said flag burning is protected by the first amendment in US v. Johnston and US v. Eichman (sp?)

Long story short, you can violate the flag code pretty much all you want as long as you're "making a statement" (almost anything)... they just can't punish you for it because it violates your 1st amendment rights. Doesn't mean having an American flag shirt doesn't violate it and you can put a flag on your clothes. Interpreting the code as only applying when the clothing is made from a flag just completely guts it by playing semantics. Not even saying the code is "right"... just saying that interpretation of it is way off.

But then, it's a lot easier to say you're patriotic by buying cheap clothing with flags festooned all over from Walmart that's made in China then actually... you know... doing something meaningful.



Somehow I knew someone was going to bring that one up. YES burning a flag is a politically protected act of descent. BURNING A FLAG IS NOT DESECRATION. Burning a flag is the only LEGAL way of disposing of a desecrated flag.

And since you know nothing about me or my brand of patriotism then I would suggest laying off the flag t-shirt/walmart slander.
 
2008-09-19 07:43:46 AM  
Approved school attire:

zodiac-tshirts.com

www.africanamericandollarstore.com

www.moonbattery.com

www.popicontees.com
 
2008-09-19 07:51:06 AM  
3steps: a flag is not a shirt with a flag on it. A flag is a FLAG. Although maybe it's different in different places. Perhaps in your town they just clothespin a t-shirt onto the flag pole and call it good. But not around here. A red, white and blue decoration is not an American Flag.

So if I burn a tshirt with an American Flag on it, no one will be pissed off? COOL!
 
2008-09-19 07:54:12 AM  
My guess is that the school administrator "don't even celebrate that (expletive)" and played for the NBA
 
2008-09-19 08:04:14 AM  
Do any of you nitwits arguing about the definition of 'flag' with regards to 'making clothing out of one or having one on clothing' actually think that the section of US code you are citing would stand up to constitutional scrutiny for a microsecond if actually brought to court? No? By all means, continue counting dancing angels on pinheads, then.
 
2008-09-19 08:12:54 AM  
3steps [TotalFark] Quote 2008-09-19 07:43:20 AM
Somehow I knew someone was going to bring that one up. YES burning a flag is a politically protected act of descent. BURNING A FLAG IS NOT DESECRATION. Burning a flag is the only LEGAL way of disposing of a desecrated flag.


Read US v. Eichman. First - it overturned a flag DESECRATION statutory punishment for someone burning the flag. Burning the flag is considered desecration. The reason for overturning is because first amendment considerations outweigh, not because there wasn't a violation of the statute. Learn to read and it will help your posts.

And since you know nothing about me or my brand of patriotism then I would suggest laying off the flag t-shirt/walmart slander.

If you can't figure out that I was referring to the people who wear flags, not necessarilly you. Unless you do that crap. Then screw you and your brand of patriotism frankly.

Bomb Head Mohammed Quote 2008-09-19 08:04:14 AM
Do any of you nitwits arguing about the definition of 'flag' with regards to 'making clothing out of one or having one on clothing' actually think that the section of US code you are citing would stand up to constitutional scrutiny for a microsecond if actually brought to court? No? By all means, continue counting dancing angels on pinheads, then.


Um... it has gone to court. Several times in fact. Did you read this thread? It hasn't been overturned per se... only the sections that created punishments for violating it were overturned. Repeatedly.

/Reading gives knowledge. And Knowledge is power!
 
2008-09-19 08:14:29 AM  
Wow. even with preview before post entire sections of that last go around didn't make sense. Apparently staying up until 5 am doesn't help with typing clearly. Who knew?

/Still friggin right though.
 
2008-09-19 08:15:27 AM  
Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colorful rag is unfurled.
- Neil Peart
 
2008-09-19 08:36:24 AM  
FTFA: does not allow "shirts/blouses that promote specific races, cultures, or ethnicities."
Jake Shelly was wearing the tie-dyed T-shirt as part of a hippie dress-up day during homecoming week.


Hold on, isn't hippie a Culture?
 
2008-09-19 08:36:52 AM  
eqtworld: Does this mean I can't wear my red white and blue banana hammock to work?

i175.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-19 08:41:05 AM  
Smotto: No Such Agency: Philbb:
Seems odd that violating the US Flag Code is "supporting your country".

The U.S. Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8(d)(p) states, "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

No it's liberals like you who are violating the REAL flag code - show the flag proud and often to let the doubters and other America haters know that we stand united. If that means wearing it as a shirt then I say git er done.

So the flag code means nothing to you?

/If your post was sarcasm, then never mind.


I read that as don't take the an actual flag and make it in to clothing or a bed linens or whatever. A picture of the flag on a t-shirt is completely acceptable.
 
2008-09-19 08:50:37 AM  
CrackrJak: These school administrators and principles are becoming more pin headed by the week. Weak minded people on power trips.

How's the old saying go? "Those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach. Those who cannot teach, administrate."
 
2008-09-19 08:55:01 AM  
Is sure is funny when conservative bullshiat (dress code) offends conservative bullshiat (patriotic fervor), when it should be lauded for protecting a different conservative bullshiat (flag code).
 
2008-09-19 09:09:00 AM  
I'm from a military family where we flew the flag daily and folded it properly at night and disposed of them according to the rules when they became too worn.

BUT my parents never let us wear a t-shirt with the flag on it where it would get sweaty, dirty, mustard stained, etc. It's tacky and it cheapens it.
 
2008-09-19 09:18:41 AM  
3steps: JQPublic: Kaycee Shelly told members of the media at lunchtime that her brother was overwhelmed and did not want to do any more interviews.

Earlier in the day, he was speaking with a local news station when an unidentified teacher walked up to him, ripped off the microphone clipped to his shirt and told him he was not allowed to talk to the media.

Wow!

Ya serious wow.. jaw dropping WTF actually...

And that is where the lawsuit needs to come in. Either that or the school board for the original dress code. But while the administrator certainly screwed up on such a politically charged issue. Her decision would actually seem to be in line with the dress code as written. To now come back and say 'oh sorry.. ALL flags are now allowed' would seem to be the opposite of what the code was trying to accomplish which was to piss off all kids.. err which was to allay 'racial' tensions. ie: La Raza protests of Mexican unity such as during the amnesty discussions in congress.

But I'm just guessing here as I wasn't there and hopefully never will be...


Incorrect. As quoted in the article, the dress code states: "shirts/blouses that promote specific races, cultures, or ethnicities."
As the is no single race, culture, or ethnicity in the United States, his wearing of a shirt promoting the United States as a whole does not violate that code.

The ripping off of the microphone, though, was COMPLETELY out of line. That can, and should, lead to a suit for assault by the teacher (with the school system as a defendant under repondeat superior), as well as a Federal suit for civil rights violation.

Somebody call the ACLU!
 
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