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(Some Hanging Chad)   Palm Beach County elections officials prove they're ready to screw-up another Presidential election   (wptv.com) divider line 67
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2008-09-14 04:30:29 PM  
Edgar Neubauer, Prudence Goodwyfe, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, the Big Bopper, Mr. and Mrs. Bananas, Humphrey Boa-Gart and Snowball I unavailable for comment.
 
2008-09-14 05:11:26 PM  
I've still got $10 bucks on Hillary, suckaz!
 
2008-09-14 05:26:00 PM  
soooo
why the fark hasnt some federal agency taken over florida yet?
clearly they are too stoopid to do ANYTHING on their own.

nice to see that after 8 years (since the 2000 election) absolutely nothing has changed

way to go gop and dems

/sigh
 
2008-09-14 05:55:01 PM  
Where do they keep getting these bozos? It's a national disgrace. Every other country in the "civilized" world can do this, but America fails. Again and again.
 
2008-09-14 05:57:33 PM  
It's like Zimbabwe or something.
 
2008-09-14 05:58:33 PM  
Maybe Ron Paul still has a chance. Did they count the military votes too this time? Did they find them?
 
2008-09-14 06:01:20 PM  
"I actually think this is a horrible blessing in disguise," said McCarty, "Because it's giving us a chance to show where the vulnerablities are in the system."

"Even though the 'system' should have already been set up, I'm so happy that we'll be continuing to half-ass it some more!"

Quite a bit of grammar problems in that article too.
 
2008-09-14 06:01:32 PM  
election.dos.state.fl.us

the new Katherine Harris


blogs.orlandosentinel.com

The new Jeb Bush
 
2008-09-14 06:02:52 PM  
Florida shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just saying
 
2008-09-14 06:03:18 PM  
At least they're consistent.
 
2008-09-14 06:05:44 PM  
Let's face it, if you're counting on Florida to make or break your election, you need to get a better strategy....
 
2008-09-14 06:06:42 PM  
Jebus farking christ, looking at the US try to handle elections over the past 8 years has convinced me that we are not worthy to be a world power. We can't create ballots that are easy to understand, we lose them, we find them and then to avoid the entire damn problem we turn to easily hacked electronic machines with no paper backups.

It's not that farking hard people. 3rd world countries routinely manage it.

Multiple people check credentials on entry, marked in at least two locations, one of which is print only
Big print paper ballots, one candidate per line
Clearly marked blocks of candidates
Mark the ballot with black ink next to the candidate's name. No paper punch. Mismark and you get a new ballot while the first is shredded in front of you.
Stick in optical reader on your way out, paper ballot goes into a box.
Optical scan results are *not certified* until a hand count is done as well. Both are done at the same time in different locations, with witnesses from all political parties watching. If the two records disagree, mandatory recount and checks against the records from step 1 to see if the numbers match. (Having two totally different types of records makes it much harder to cook- you can't just lose a ballot box or hack the reader results- you have to do both at the same time.)

This is by no means perfect and election experts are welcome to point out improvements, but it's a hell of a lot better than leaving it up to Palm Beach County and Diebold in a race to see who can fark it up the most.
 
2008-09-14 06:06:47 PM  
Amputate Florida and give it to Cuba.
 
2008-09-14 06:08:49 PM  
Love it. Rats run Palm Beach County, too stupid to figure out how to design a ballot or punch little holes, and it's somehow a Rovian conspiracy.
 
2008-09-14 06:10:23 PM  
edremy: We can't create ballots that are easy to understand, we lose them, we find them and then to avoid the entire damn problem we turn to easily hacked electronic machines with no paper backups.

Why do you think any one of those things was a mistake?
 
2008-09-14 06:11:43 PM  
ultraholland: At least they're consistent.

Yup, Ohio is right in line, too.
Ohio conservatives go with the ol' tried and true. Vote suppression in Presidential election 08 (new window)
 
2008-09-14 06:15:08 PM  
Sullasdog: Love it. Rats run Palm Beach County, too stupid to figure out how to design a ballot or punch little holes, and it's somehow a Rovian conspiracy.

so this is what i take away from your post...

old pensioners with poor coordination and eyesight are stoopid.

young rednecks are smart.
 
2008-09-14 06:17:27 PM  
FriarReb98: Let's face it, if you're counting on Florida to make or break your election, you need to get a better strategy....

what we need to do is dump the electoral college system.
 
2008-09-14 06:22:14 PM  
Elections Canada ballot.

www.elections.ca

How hard is this to do?
 
2008-09-14 06:26:47 PM  
reveal101: Elections Canada ballot.



How hard is this to do?


thats a canadian ballot?

reeeetarded.
 
2008-09-14 06:26:52 PM  
Duh only women haddleing them.
 
2008-09-14 06:27:14 PM  
Heart of Farkness: It's like Zimbabwe or something.

No. In Zimbabwe the people riot when shiate like this happens.

"Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
Thomas Jefferson

"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
Thomas Jefferson

"Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and force a new one that suits them better." Abraham Lincoln
 
2008-09-14 06:29:12 PM  
The USA should be the subject of a UN report urging the US have a unified Electoral Board to handle elections at the federal level, and have EU and UN election observers monitor polling booths.

/USA does that to other nations...
 
2008-09-14 06:32:05 PM  
reveal101: Elections Canada ballot.

How hard is this to do?


I came here to say this. The US shouldn't even have computers, robots, or other black boxes involved in voting.
 
2008-09-14 06:33:10 PM  
i'm just puttin it out there, but i think florida may be retarded.
yes, the state and the population.
 
2008-09-14 06:33:51 PM  
hyperspacemonkey: reveal101: Elections Canada ballot.

How hard is this to do?

I came here to say this. The US shouldn't even have computers, robots, or other black boxes involved in voting.


It's easier to BS-prof a computer than a paper ballot, and count, ect...what's really retarded is the butterfly whatever crap.
 
2008-09-14 06:36:32 PM  
Palm Beach County is a sewer.
 
2008-09-14 06:38:39 PM  
"It's easier to BS-prof a computer than a paper ballot, and count, ect...what's really retarded is the butterfly whatever crap."

Last I checked, paper was a difficult thing to Mass Hack.
 
2008-09-14 06:40:03 PM  
Sullasdog: Love it. Rats run Palm Beach County, too stupid to figure out how to design a ballot or punch little holes, and it's somehow a Rovian conspiracy.

Try reading the thread. You know, the one you just godwinned? Feel free to go argue with yourself over in the corner.

/here's your sign
 
2008-09-14 06:43:20 PM  
Airtransrecon: "It's easier to BS-prof a computer than a paper ballot, and count, ect...what's really retarded is the butterfly whatever crap."

Last I checked, paper was a difficult thing to Mass Hack.


Mass hacking isn't that much of an issue, they're much much more worried about the only thing that's actually happened-individual districts botching the ballots.
Even if someone were to mass hack, I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to trace. If one day florida went red by 5 points, then went blue the next by 10, people would notice.
 
2008-09-14 06:43:32 PM  
99% of the people that work for the local districts as volunteers are older folk during the vote process. For Florida, I assume that means many of the left lane driving, right turn signal using elderly are the ones counting the votes.

That pretty much explains the problem.
 
2008-09-14 06:47:30 PM  
edremy: Jebus farking christ, [...]

It's not that farking hard people. 3rd world countries routinely manage it.

Multiple people check credentials on entry, marked in at least two locations, one of which is print only
Big print paper ballots, one candidate per line
Clearly marked blocks of candidates
Mark the ballot with black ink next to the candidate's name. No paper punch. Mismark and you get a new ballot while the first is shredded in front of you.
Stick in optical reader on your way out, paper ballot goes into a box.
Optical scan results are *not certified* until a hand count is done as well. Both are done at the same time in different locations, with witnesses from all political parties watching. If the two records disagree, mandatory recount and checks against the records from step 1 to see if the numbers match. (Having two totally different types of records makes it much harder to cook- you can't just lose a ballot box or hack the reader results- you have to do both at the same time.)

This is by no means perfect and election experts are welcome to point out improvements, but it's a hell of a lot better than leaving it up to Palm Beach County and Diebold in a race to see who can fark it up the most.


this x1025

\waiting for someone to stain my index finger purple
 
2008-09-14 06:48:57 PM  
"Mass hacking isn't that much of an issue, they're much much more worried about the only thing that's actually happened-individual districts botching the ballots."

Good point actually. Step one is having a populace that can count in the first place.

KW
 
2008-09-14 06:49:48 PM  
yellow_shark: Amputate Florida and give it to Cuba.

This just begs for a Lorena Bobbitt joke.
 
2008-09-14 06:51:25 PM  
Seriously, how can it possibly be the case that Diebold can't make a voting machine that accurately tracks the selections made by its users?

Really, look at Diebold. That company manufactures more ATMs for banks in the USA than anyone else, and yet we don't hear stories of how those machines spontaneously lose all record of thousands of transactions, yet these voting machines consistently do exactly that.

The logic gap is stunning.
 
2008-09-14 06:54:08 PM  
Anonymous voting is a solved problem. Now all we have to do is elect non-corrupt officials.
 
2008-09-14 07:00:43 PM  
When did Florida go full retard?
 
2008-09-14 07:02:51 PM  
THX 1138: Seriously, how can it possibly be the case that Diebold can't make a voting machine that accurately tracks the selections made by its users?

Really, look at Diebold. That company manufactures more ATMs for banks in the USA than anyone else, and yet we don't hear stories of how those machines spontaneously lose all record of thousands of transactions, yet these voting machines consistently do exactly that.

The logic gap is stunning.



You do realise that the machines in TFA are made by Sequoia Voting Systems, Diebolds main compeditor right?
 
2008-09-14 07:04:54 PM  
And I misspell competitor, time for another drink.
 
2008-09-14 07:05:05 PM  
ParliamentFunkadelic: Florida shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just saying

FTFUA.

Isn't it time we dug that canal separating Florida from the rest of civilization?
 
2008-09-14 07:05:09 PM  
As a proud resident of this fine county, let me point out several things:

1) The person running these elections is a Dem. His name is Arthur Anderson. He's black. So no more "they stole the election" this time around, except if youre republican. Youre still allowed to biatch, i guess.

2) Crist and the elections board REFUSED to certify these results. They didn't quickly certify the results so a recount wouldnt matter. Totally different scenario. Totally logical.

3) ALL of the poll workers are 60+ ...my precinct voting is held in a farking gated retirement community!! So it's no wonder they cant get these newfangled electronic voting machines.

4) Hate on us all you want. Maybe we LIKE being the laughing stock of the whole world, or something. PB County farkups FTW.
 
2008-09-14 07:09:06 PM  
xsarien: When did Florida go full retard?

You never go full retard.
 
2008-09-14 07:10:39 PM  
Pribar: And I misspell competitor, time for another drink.

Is fark an elaborate drinking game? It WOULD explain so many political threads...
 
2008-09-14 07:10:49 PM  
Pribar: THX 1138: Seriously, how can it possibly be the case that Diebold can't make a voting machine that accurately tracks the selections made by its users?

Really, look at Diebold. That company manufactures more ATMs for banks in the USA than anyone else, and yet we don't hear stories of how those machines spontaneously lose all record of thousands of transactions, yet these voting machines consistently do exactly that.

The logic gap is stunning.


You do realise that the machines in TFA are made by Sequoia Voting Systems, Diebolds main compeditor right?


Diebold is not any better though. Still easily hackable and unreliable in general. Truthfully it's sad to say, but Diebold sucks just as hard.
 
2008-09-14 07:13:07 PM  
I just don't get it. How hard can it be?
 
2008-09-14 07:16:03 PM  
reddshark:

You forgot to mention that not only did the Democratic Elections Supervisor screw up this election, a Dem Election Supervisor screwed up the 2004 elections there - and another one in 2000. Not to mention that of the dozen or so counties in Florida that had problems during the 2000 election, all but one were overseen by Democratic Election Supervisors...
 
2008-09-14 07:19:06 PM  
You guys think democrats won't make fun of another democrat? If somebody sucks at their job, regardless of their politics, they should be fired.
 
2008-09-14 07:21:45 PM  
I say we give this area back to Spain or France. It's been more then 160 years and all they've been capable of proving is they can fark up even greater than before. Yeah, it has a couple of benefits, hotties in South Beach and oranges, but it's really doing more harm than good. It's time to go.

/Forced Cession of Florida '08!
 
KNW
2008-09-14 07:26:42 PM  
reveal101: Elections Canada ballot.
How hard is this to do?


It's not that it's hard, it's that it's hard to make them dissapear or make them count for other people. Or it could be that we've got 1/10th the population.. :)
 
2008-09-14 07:54:46 PM  
KNW:reveal101: Elections Canada ballot.
How hard is this to do?


It's not that it's hard, it's that it's hard to make them dissapear or make them count for other people. Or it could be that we've got 1/10th the population.. :)

The nice thing is it scales easily. Each polling station only needs to handle so many people, and that doesn't change when your country has 10 times as many people. You just have 10 times as many polling stations. The work is also spread out over 10 times as many people.

The real problem is that American elections are too farking complicated. We vote for exactly one person, and answer a referendum question if there is one. Its pretty transparent. The party who has winning candidates in the most ridings controls the government. Leader of the party becomes Prime Minister. I can't even begin to understand how Americans decide who the President will be, nor why they vote for everything from sheriffs to school board positions to judges.

When you're counting votes for so many different positions, it gets complicated fast, which I believe is the problem electronic voting tries (and fails) to solve.
 
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