I'm Going To Hell For Laughing At This Headline.

/Low-Hanging Fruit
//+1
///Capital Slashies

ba-ZING!

? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

aquigley: How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

Lighten up, Francis.

You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

Your mother-in-law is a hamster, and your father-in-law smells of Quaker Oats.

Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

ElPresidente: You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

I have no idea how this relates to my question. Chill the fark out.

hilarious and terrible at the same time


hilarible?

Did anyone else read this as Skanksville?

Ouch.

Fart_Machine: Did anyone else read this as Skanksville?

yes

he then made a paper airplane out of the Constitution, lit it on fire and threw it at the crash site to commemorate the government's valiant work since then in honor of the brave Americans who died that day and the freedom they held so dear.

POW!

biyaaatci: Gwendolyn: aquigley: ElPresidente: You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

I have no idea how this relates to my question. Chill the fark out.

You made a comment that could have maybe possibly been construed as a deflecting/defending of the McCain beat down they hope will commence. Bad aquigley!

I just didn't want some conspiracy theory threadjackers thwarting my first greenlight.

just because you got a green all of a sudden you're lord of the thread flies?

piggy piggy pig pig.

lol, oh man that's wrong.

Golf clapping for subby and ordering a round of aisle seats...

dittybopper: biyaaatci: ElPresidente: aquigley: How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

Lighten up, Francis.

You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

Your mother-in-law is a hamster, and your father-in-law smells of Quaker Oats.

Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

Nice!


Democrats acting like a comedic stereotype of the French? Karl Rove is rubbing his hands together and cackling with glee.

your clever needs a recharge

If the surge that McCain is patting himself on the back for has truly worked, why after all these months haven't we been able to draw down our troops to pre-surge levels?

nice!

lexslamman: If the surge that McCain is patting himself on the back for has truly worked, why after all these months haven't we been able to draw down our troops to pre-surge levels?

cuz it hasnt been 100 years yet

anelson41: Fart_Machine: Did anyone else read this as Skanksville?

yes

Meanwhile Sarah and Bristol Palin were in Skanksville today!

/too soon?

Ooooooohhhhh, SNAP!

oh heavens!

Obama must be in Handoutville then.

Bwahahahaha!

My McCain'esque jowles are shaking with laughter!

Hey, McCain only crashed, like, 5 planes.

Why does John McCain continue the Bush policy of pretending that the war in Iraq had anything to do with the war on terror?

McCain promises to stay in Iraq until victory is won. Will he eventually define victory in the next 2 months, or is he going to make it up as he goes along just like George W. Bush?

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

on whatever channel i was watching that day, the anchor person said that an Air Force colonel had told them the plane had been shot down.

that's the last i heard of a shoot-down... after that it was all "Let's roll!"

Shanksville still not a source of merriment for me yet.

aquigley: How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

Nah. The time frame of phone calls placed from 93 to family members, the recorded decision to fight the hijackers, and the data on the black box highly suggests that the flight was not shot down.

Yes, it is possible that all of the above was fabricated by the government. But I just believe that the government is too inept to pull that off.

Just as I believe that the government was too inept to scramble any fighters to get to 93 anyway.

This headline is truly awful, disrespectful and clear evidence of the terrorists winning.

+1 for subby.

McCain knows plane crashes. Obama knows train wrecks. He looks in the mirror every morning.

We must never forget the people that died in the planes



NOW MORE LIBERAL HATE


You see that! Thats my deadly kung fu grip

Calmamity: Capital headline, chap.

MSM SBT OTH APCS

Thought maybe something clever was being done, but no...turns out it was just weird and distracting.

I, too, have talked to people from Shanksville who saw that plane get shot down. Too bad the government will never publicly admit it.

And John McCain can suck it.

/great headline, i lol'd

NYZooMan: Obama must be in Handoutville then.

actually, there was no name association related to the town.

elsewise it would have been something along the lines of:

McCain Spends the Morning in Shanksville, Because if There's One Thing He Knows About, it's stabbing people in prison with homemade knives for the aryan brotherhood.

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

What effing difference would it make. If my plane was shot down because some douchebags hijacked it, I am just as dead as if
they hijacked it and stormed the cockpit.

It would be better to say they shot it down, then passengers would be on the lookout for the shoebomber more.

If the surge that McCain is patting himself on the back for has truly worked, why after all these months haven't we been able to draw down our troops to pre-surge levels?
It's hard to agree that Iraq isn't cooling off. They're signing-off on the Security Agreement, there is unprecedented cooperation among the Sunni and Shia in the Iraqi gov't and the rebuilding efforts have yielded nearly 100% restoration of municipal services.

I hate BUSH and the "war" as much as the next guy but Iraq isn't the factor in this election the Dems hoped it would be.

El Farquistador: aquigley: How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

Nah. The time frame of phone calls placed from 93 to family members, the recorded decision to fight the hijackers, and the data on the black box highly suggests that the flight was not shot down.

Yes, it is possible that all of the above was fabricated by the government. But I just believe that the government is too inept to pull that off.

Just as I believe that the government was too inept to scramble any fighters to get to 93 anyway.

"the government"

that always makes me laugh.

Wow. Some of you should have been on that flight. Seriously.

I'm GunshipPolitico, and I approve this headline

Easy there Subby. Don't you know there were five and a half years where McCain couldn't crash an airplane?

IXI Jim IXI

I came here to post that, well done sir.

Nutsac_Jim: How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

Me. And for no other reason that I was glued to my radio that day, and the FAA woman sounded real, real unconvincing. Under the circumstances, I'm not that mad about it.

El Farquistador: But I just believe that the government is too inept to pull that off.

A farking golfer's plane went unresponsive and within 10 minutes there were jets flying alongside him. The government, in this area, is definitely not inept. They were told to stand down. 'Cept for that plane in Shanksville, that shiat was shot down. You can believe the government, which lies to us constantly, or you can believe the numerous honest citizens with nothing to gain by not telling the truth.

Gwendolyn: I shared an office with a guy who's girlfriend went to Saint Francis. She was driving back after seeing him and she was driving on 219 at the time it happened. She called right after saying she saw a plane get shot down.

But you have to remember that women are stupid.
How the hell does she know what it looks like?
So many people are experts about the WTC being a demolition from watching DieHard movies.

I don't get it

guilt by association: I came here to post that, well done sir.

Always glad to see my work get some use ;)

John McCain crashed a plane? Was his nose inside Chimpy's flightsuit?

/Mission Accomplished!

///the definition of insanity is voting for McCain and expecting a different result from Bush.

I had a great view of the airport it took off from that day. I think it was shot down.

/not really

John McCain is old.

...by someone other than myself, of course :D

I work for the Federal Government, and let me assure each and every one of you: This organization is MUCH too incompetent to do...well pretty much anything.

/Cog in the machine

Wombatzu: on whatever channel i was watching that day, the anchor person said that an Air Force colonel had told them the plane had been shot down.

that's the last i heard of a shoot-down... after that it was all "Let's roll!"

OK.. but what is the effing point of covering it up?

Hey.. we might have shot a plane down to prevent it from hitting another target. So? why hide that?

Lloyd Braun: John McCain is old.

But not older than gravity, apparently.

Combustion: I work for the Federal Government, and let me assure each and every one of you: This organization is MUCH too incompetent to do...well pretty much anything.

/Cog in the machine

Yeah, but I bet you don't biatch about the hours, weekends/holidays off and pay do ya?

/bitter
//goverment employee's have it all

Gwendolyn: nekom: aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

I'm south of Pittsburgh, 93 flew damned near over my house on its wacky path before crashing up in the mountains. I've seen the flight path, listened to ATC tapes, looked at every piece of evidence I could find, and I see no reason to believe that it was shot down. But I also can't conclusively say that it wasn't, and under the circumstances I could see the government possibly making the call to do so. My guess is the assholes just ran it into the ground when the passengers were closing in on them.

I shared an office with a guy who's girlfriend went to Saint Francis. She was driving back after seeing him and she was driving on 219 at the time it happened. She called right after saying she saw a plane get shot down.

I dunno if I would take her word as gospel. I could see why the plane was shot down if it was and there could have been jets following it anyway.

That was a very shiatty day at work. My coont of a boss actually expected us to get work done AND have the board of directors meeting that evening. "there's nothing you can do about it. Turn off the TV"

I always look up at the sky while i'm driving on the highway. I thought I was the only one who did that. 25 accidents later I realized it's not good idea to be looking up at the sky while driving.

ElPresidente: You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

As much as you might like to believe that, it's simply not true.

It was shot down....by ALLAH!

Seriously...humans are not very good at keeping secrets. Some Stick Jockey would have told someone or there would have been someone, somewhere (other than Gwendolyn's office mate's girlfriend - who did know guy who saw Ferris faint at 31 Flavors)who actually saw the shoot down (mid air explosions tend to be visible for miles) or jets streaking away.

/George Bush don't care about Black Boxes

how do people that old get up for election?

OOooooooohhhh what a clever headline! Yay admins!

Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

Viagra??

Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

And how do people with such stupid names get approved?

Psycho Zombie Monkey: Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

Viagra??

LOL

Ha Ha. The candidates are living jokes.

Freezebyte: Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

And how do people with such stupid names get approved?

was that a shot at me? 'cuz if it is, the answer is blackmail and bribery.

Wombatzu: on whatever channel i was watching that day, the anchor person said that an Air Force colonel had told them the plane had been shot down.

My cousin julie's friend has a brother that knows someone that said Area51 has aliens in it.

I am sorry but of all the things that we can poke fun at, this tragic event is not funny nor should we use anythng or anyone's sincere attempt to pay respect as a joke. Any one of us could of lost a loved one or realitve in that event. I like a good laugh once in a while as anyone else but Drew, shame on you for this one. A time and place for everything, this day, this was not the time.

Nutsac_Jim: Wombatzu: on whatever channel i was watching that day, the anchor person said that an Air Force colonel had told them the plane had been shot down.

that's the last i heard of a shoot-down... after that it was all "Let's roll!"

OK.. but what is the effing point of covering it up?

Hey.. we might have shot a plane down to prevent it from hitting another target. So? why hide that?

i dunno... it seems like the people i talked to that morning all took it as a given that it was shot down and that it was necessary until the official story was put out there.

Der Poopflinger: Freezebyte: Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

And how do people with such stupid names get approved?

was that a shot at me? 'cuz if it is, the answer is blackmail and bribery.

is that what you people are calling blowjobs these days?

subby -

Psycho Zombie Monkey: Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

Viagra??

*golf clap*

Old man.

NotWithoutAsswelts: Hey, McCain only crashed, like, 5 planes.

For all the dumbasses in here saying he crashed five planes, let's examine at least two of the instances:

One "crash" was when he was shot down.

The other "crash" involved him sitting in the cockpit of his jet on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal. A missile on another jet malfunctioned and was fired across the deck, hitting the jet next to McCain's. The Forrestal was nearly lost in the ensuing fire and horrible explosions.

And a burnout of a jet in another crash, I would say, was not all that uncommon.

I'm not saying the guy was a great pilot or anything, but to say "BUT, BUT HE CRASHED FIVE TIMES!!!! OMG!!!!" is completely false. I wouldn't count two of those.

Ya morons.

rodeofrog: Ha Ha. The candidates are living jokes.

Sadly enough, the punch line is on us no matter who wins.

Shincox: No doubt most of you Obama voters can get behind this (pops)

Still needs some work, but I think it fits here...

re-elect_jimmy_carter: Der Poopflinger: Freezebyte: Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

And how do people with such stupid names get approved?

was that a shot at me? 'cuz if it is, the answer is blackmail and bribery.

is that what you people are calling blowjobs these days?

if I was one of THOSE people, then yes, but since I'm not, blackmail and bribery

McCain is everyone's problem. That's because every time McCain goe up in the air, he's unsafe. I don't like McCain because he's dangerous.

/clenches teeth

Nutsac_Jim: Wombatzu: on whatever channel i was watching that day, the anchor person said that an Air Force colonel had told them the plane had been shot down.

that's the last i heard of a shoot-down... after that it was all "Let's roll!"

OK.. but what is the effing point of covering it up?

Hey.. we might have shot a plane down to prevent it from hitting another target. So? why hide that?

THIS. Even if the government shot the plane down, what do they have to gain by lying about it? And the 9/11 Commission report clearly states that the President did give the order to shoot down any remaining hijacked plane on 9/11, but that the order came after 93 had already crashed.

What's the motive? Why would they admit that they would have shot the plane down, but cover up the fact that they actaully did. Take off the tinfoil hats people.

I'd like to thank subby for this illustriative headline, and of course, the responses. This will make a great McCain campaign commercial:

" This is how Obama and his supporters feel about 9-11 and those who serve this country. "


I really appreciate your honesty. America deserves to know where you people are coming from. Please, keep on yapping.

ElPresidente: aquigley:
You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

Your mother-in-law is a hamster, and your father-in-law smells of Quaker Oats.

Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.



Where do people get their information from anyway????
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_mccain_crash_five_planes.html

etyer: I'm not saying the guy was a great pilot or anything, but to say "BUT, BUT HE CRASHED FIVE TIMES!!!! OMG!!!!" is completely false. I wouldn't count two of those.

OK, fair enough. How about instead we count the number of times he surrendered to the North Vietnamese? The freepers here can then tell us the acceptable number of times for a wannabe president to surrender to the enemy. And then we're all happy.

Great headline subby. I raise my arms to just below shoulder level and give you two thumbs up.

Der Poopflinger: re-elect_jimmy_carter: Der Poopflinger: Freezebyte: Der Poopflinger: how do people that old get up for election?

And how do people with such stupid names get approved?

was that a shot at me? 'cuz if it is, the answer is blackmail and bribery.

is that what you people are calling blowjobs these days?

if I was one of THOSE people, then yes, but since I'm not, blackmail and bribery

Suuuuureeeeeee

Typical White Person: ElPresidente: You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

As much as you might like to believe that, it's simply not true.

And here I'd heard that repeated enough that I figured it was true. This is one liberal that won't be repeating that story anymore.

McCain still pretty clearly got where he did in the Navy by being an admiral's son (not to mention Slew McCain's grandson), but at least he was a competent pilot.

CruzAzul:
OK, fair enough. How about instead we count the number of times he surrendered to the North Vietnamese? The freepers here can then tell us the acceptable number of times for a wannabe president to surrender to the enemy. And then we're all happy.

How about you tell us what it is like to be a POW

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

I live about 15 minutes away. Many friends, coworkers, etc that live near the crash site swear it was shot down. No dramatic conspiracy theories or anything, they just state it as fact and have ever since the day it happened.

Seems to make sense to me, ever wonder why they won't let us listen to the last few seconds of the recording?

Wolf_Blitzer:
McCain still pretty clearly got where he did in the Navy by being an admiral's son (not to mention Slew McCain's grandson), but at least he was a competent pilot.

All naval pilots are competent pilots. You do not fly off of or land on aircraft carriers unless you have the skills to do it. There is way too much risk involved to just hand that job to someone based on who their family is.

5 crashed planes while serving the country AND a POW for over 5 years? Too many fives. I'm supporting the community organizer.

libbynomore2: I'd like to thank subby for this illustriative headline, and of course, the responses. This will make a great McCain campaign commercial:

" This is how Obama and his supporters feel about 9-11 and those who serve this country. "


I really appreciate your honesty. America deserves to know where you people are coming from. Please, keep on yapping.

Lighten up Francis, its Fark. And trying to blame Obama for some morons here is like trying to pin freepers on McCain.

Fart_Machine: Did anyone else read this as Skanksville?

Yep. Thought it was a Palin home-town reference.

/ducks
/I keeed!

That was a very shiatty day at work. My coont of a boss actually expected us to get work done AND have the board of directors meeting that evening. "there's nothing you can do about it. Turn off the TV"

Hell, imagine having to run around engineering emergency telecom circuits for most of Manhattan that day.

etyer: For all the dumbasses in here saying he crashed five planes, let's examine at least two of the instances:

One "crash" was when he was shot down.

The other "crash" involved him sitting in the cockpit of his jet on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal. A missile on another jet malfunctioned and was fired across the deck, hitting the jet next to McCain's. The Forrestal was nearly lost in the ensuing fire and horrible explosions.

And a burnout of a jet in another crash, I would say, was not all that uncommon.

I'm not saying the guy was a great pilot or anything, but to say "BUT, BUT HE CRASHED FIVE TIMES!!!! OMG!!!!" is completely false. I wouldn't count two of those.

Ya morons.

This.

McCain had mechanical problems twice, was shot down once and had a fourth plane destroyed on the deck of the Forrestal. By the way, he was apparently trying to help rescue another pilot when one of the bombs went off on the Forrestal.

The fifth incident which is usually cited involves power lines near the Mediterranean in which his plane never crashed.

Instead of being a lousy pilot as the left attempts to claim, he appears to have been quite heroic.

None of these incidents prevented McCain from winning regular promotions and being assigned additional flight duty. The Navy praised his "aggressiveness and skillful airmanship" when awarding him the Navy Commendation Medal for an attack Oct. 18, 1967, on a shipyard in Haiphong, North Vietnam, prior to his capture. The Navy also commended his "superb airmanship" in awarding him the Distinguished Flying Cross for a bombing attack on a Hanoi power plant Oct. 26, 1967. His plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile on that mission, but he "continued his bomb delivery pass and released his bombs over the target" before being forced to eject, according to the official citation.

adrienne barbeaubot: That was a very shiatty day at work. My coont of a boss actually expected us to get work done AND have the board of directors meeting that evening. "there's nothing you can do about it. Turn off the TV"

Hell, imagine having to run around engineering emergency telecom circuits for most of Manhattan that day.

My italic tags, they died.

CruzAzul: etyer: I'm not saying the guy was a great pilot or anything, but to say "BUT, BUT HE CRASHED FIVE TIMES!!!! OMG!!!!" is completely false. I wouldn't count two of those.

OK, fair enough. How about instead we count the number of times he surrendered to the North Vietnamese? The freepers here can then tell us the acceptable number of times for a wannabe president to surrender to the enemy. And then we're all happy.

What are you talking about? He surrendered to the North Vietnamese? Are you referring to when he was captured, half conscious with broken arms and broken knee, pulled from the lake he landed in? Or are you talking about statements made when he was a POW?

Either way, i think you are egregiously out of line and ignorant.

If you are trolling, you suck. Subtlety is needed to bait people before you build up to outlandishly stupid statements...

To all the farkers wondering why the goverment wouldn't admit it:

Wouldn't it be nice if on the day the country was terrorized to have a story of some common Americans rising up to defend their country. Seems like it could give hope to a nation.

/Don't nessesarily believe it was shot down, but just sayin...

Hang On Voltaire: Wolf_Blitzer:
McCain still pretty clearly got where he did in the Navy by being an admiral's son (not to mention Slew McCain's grandson), but at least he was a competent pilot.

All naval pilots are competent pilots. You do not fly off of or land on aircraft carriers unless you have the skills to do it. There is way too much risk involved to just hand that job to someone based on who their family is.



/hotlinked for freedom

barjockey: 5 crashed planes while serving the country AND a POW for over 5 years? Too many fives. I'm supporting the community organizer.

You're a lying dick.

Gwendolyn:
I had never read that before. I just thought he had crashed five planes by hot dogging or flying into areas in Viet Nam he wasn't suposed to. Thanks.

/yes really.

Wish more people did that.

/yes I have done it

Bush flew one of the most dangerous and difficult to fly aircraft in US history. That little fact probably never occured to Farkers though, nope.

ungraceful ganesha:

/hotlinked for freedom

I knew that was coming!

in b4 LIBERAL HUMOR SITE MOCKS NINE ELEBBEN AND JOHN MCCAIN'S SERVICE RECORD

Thunderpipes: Bush flew one of the most dangerous and difficult to fly aircraft in US history. That little fact probably never occured to Farkers though, nope.

What did Bush fly?

Typical White Person: barjockey: 5 crashed planes while serving the country AND a POW for over 5 years? Too many fives. I'm supporting the community organizer.

You're a lying dick.

Beats the hell out of a Typical White Person

IXI Jim IXI: Shincox: No doubt most of you Obama voters can get behind this (pops)

Still needs some work, but I think it fits here...

That image almost works, but it still needs to end with "cocksucker" or it's not Deadwood accurate.

barjockey: Typical White Person: barjockey: 5 crashed planes while serving the country AND a POW for over 5 years? Too many fives. I'm supporting the community organizer.

You're a lying dick.

Beats the hell out of a Typical White Person

Just so long as you've come to terms with it.

Gwendolyn: nekom: aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

I'm south of Pittsburgh, 93 flew damned near over my house on its wacky path before crashing up in the mountains. I've seen the flight path, listened to ATC tapes, looked at every piece of evidence I could find, and I see no reason to believe that it was shot down. But I also can't conclusively say that it wasn't, and under the circumstances I could see the government possibly making the call to do so. My guess is the assholes just ran it into the ground when the passengers were closing in on them.

I shared an office with a guy who's girlfriend went to Saint Francis. She was driving back after seeing him and she was driving on 219 at the time it happened. She called right after saying she saw a plane get shot down.

I dunno if I would take her word as gospel. I could see why the plane was shot down if it was and there could have been jets following it anyway.

That was a very shiatty day at work. My coont of a boss actually expected us to get work done AND have the board of directors meeting that evening. "there's nothing you can do about it. Turn off the TV"

I have an uncle whose best friends sisters nephew heard from his neighbors mothers hairdresser, that she over heard some guy at a gas station telling the attendant that her fathers brother heard from someone that knows someone that is positive he heard someone say that that his best friends girlfriends brother "knows" for a fact that the plane might have been shot down because he thinks he heard them say that on TV.

But don't take his word for it.

Typical White Person: Thunderpipes: Bush flew one of the most dangerous and difficult to fly aircraft in US history. That little fact probably never occured to Farkers though, nope.

What did Bush fly?

F-102s

John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

lexslamman: John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

What is Obama's realistic approach to stopping Bin Laden?

Typical White Person: lexslamman: John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

What is Obama's realistic approach to stopping Bin Laden?

If the Georgia crisis is any indication, just don't talk about it until someone else does.

Fart_Machine: Did anyone else read this as Skanksville?

I already had my travel agent on the phone.

ElPresidente:
You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

You know how many days Obama served in the military? Zero
You know how many years Obama attended a racist church? TWENTY
You know how many terrorists Obama served on a Board with? One
You know how many associates of Obama's are in prison? Two
You know how many drugs Obama took in high school and college? All of them

I could play this game all day.
But to Obama's credit, he does think a military career is enobling (wtf?) and...and...uhhhh...honorable

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Fart_Machine: Did anyone else read this as Skanksville?

I already had my travel agent on the phone.

Jerk, you made me snarf my mid-afternoon beer onto my keyboard, you shall be hearing from my lawyer...

lexslamman: John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

You mean sending troops into Pakistan to root them out of the mountains there once and for all and say to hell with what Pakistan has to say about it? Is that the realistic approach. Just sit back and watch... McCain will take that approach. And not have to forsake Iraq so you can sit back in smug satisfaction of the defeat of the country and say "Ha! I was right!"

As much as it is compelling to believe 93 was shot down, think about this: This is a big ass website with tonnes of users, many either residing in Pennsylvania today or were 7 years ago...that means that we should be able to have at least ONE person posting who actually saw the event in question, not second-hand hearsay.

/I'm not buying the story on the Pentagon though
//That's farked up

aquigley: How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

I think it was shot down, mostly because of preliminary reports that IMO haven't been negated by evidence. I think the reason the Bush admin covered it up is because they're too stupid to realize the difference between justifiable action and totally inappropriate action.

danlpoon: It's hard to agree that Iraq isn't cooling off. They're signing-off on the Security Agreement, there is unprecedented cooperation among the Sunni and Shia in the Iraqi gov't and the rebuilding efforts have yielded nearly 100% restoration of municipal services.

Are you serious? "Restoration of municipal services"? They're still struggling with cholera outbreaks, ffs.

etyer: lexslamman: John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

You mean sending troops into Pakistan to root them out of the mountains there once and for all and say to hell with what Pakistan has to say about it? Is that the realistic approach. Just sit back and watch... McCain will take that approach. And not have to forsake Iraq so you can sit back in smug satisfaction of the defeat of the country and say "Ha! I was right!"

Except he won't. He wouldn't. He said he wouldn't. He criticized Obama for saying he would.

There you go again, chump.

There is way too much risk involved to just hand job to someone based on who their family is.

Hand jobs? Not in my Navy.

Gwendolyn: Psycho Zombie Monkey: (other than Gwendolyn's office mate's girlfriend - who did know guy who saw Ferris faint at 31 Flavors)who actually saw the shoot down (mid air explosions tend to be visible for miles) or jets streaking away.

Well, number one, I was sitting next to him when she called so it's like second hand. Number two as I said I assumed she saw jets in the sky after and was confused.

Sorry...not trying to poke at you...just wanted to get in a Ferris reference

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

I think it was, but I have to admit I can't really back that up. Real life is not an action movie, and the stories coming out of flight 93 just sound a little too scripted for me. "Let's roll?" Really?

I feel for those folks and their families, and I hope to God they did go down fighting, but I don't think the official account is anywhere close to what happened. I think the towers and Pentagon had just been hit, the government had no idea how many other threats were still in the air, and they just took the plane down before things could get any worse. I don't have a huge problem with that, but if my family had been in that plane, I would have a big problem with the government turning it into propaganda.

Doc Batarang: As much as it is compelling to believe 93 was shot down, think about this: This is a big ass website with tonnes of users, many either residing in Pennsylvania today or were 7 years ago...that means that we should be able to have at least ONE person posting who actually saw the event in question, not second-hand hearsay.


Actually some of the best proof I've heard and one reason why I doubt it.

As a side note, it was in the morning so I would assume most of the people here should have either been at work or school. Most of the people who told me they saw it were older people and a few younger that worked night shift.

Its very likely that the older people are senile...

Gwendolyn
That was a very shiatty day at work. My coont of a boss actually expected us to get work done AND have the board of directors meeting that evening. "there's nothing you can do about it. Turn off the TV"

That's what most of us did. What compounded this was these wusses that stayed home for a week, and the %#@& NFL delaying the season for what, 6 weeks? Way to play into the terrorists game.

Are you serious? "Restoration of municipal services"? They're still struggling with cholera outbreaks, ffs.

Water, sewer, electricity. All working like a charm. Is it our fault these people wipe with the same bare hand they eat with?
No.

Mccain did not crash five airplanes libtards. K, thanks.

Floridadude: I am sorry but of all the things that we can poke fun at, this tragic event is not funny nor should we use anythng or anyone's sincere attempt to pay respect as a joke. Any one of us could of lost a loved one or realitve in that event. I like a good laugh once in a while as anyone else but Drew, shame on you for this one. A time and place for everything, this day, this was not the time.

You new here?

7 Years is long enough of a delta to make it funny

Also...in my experience, anyone that states 'I like a good laugh once in a while like everyone else' is either a humorless douche (but thinks otherwise) or German.

etyer: lexslamman: John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

You mean sending troops into Pakistan to root them out of the mountains there once and for all and say to hell with what Pakistan has to say about it? Is that the realistic approach. Just sit back and watch... McCain will take that approach. And not have to forsake Iraq so you can sit back in smug satisfaction of the defeat of the country and say "Ha! I was right!"

Republicans have failed this country so many times in the war on terror since 2001 that, even in the worst case scenario that John W. McBush and what's-her-name end up miraculously winning this campaign, they should not be entrusted with the campaign against al Qaeda. If it wasn't for the flawed judgement of McCain, Bush, and their party chances are we would have destroyed a Qaeda gotten bin Laden already or at least stomped out most of the Taliban.

We definitely need to change direction on terrorism policy, and not go for another 4 years that resemble the mediocre results of the last.

pandabear: To be fair, half-drowned with two broken legs and a broken arm, your chances of escape and evasion from the capital of the country you just bombed is relatively small, wouldn't you say?

Probably. But I'll bet a few French soldiers were pretty roughed up in WWII also, yet that doesn't stop us from picking on them.

People seriously gotta lighten up and/or grow a thicker skin.

Mark Bingham was a frat brother of mine so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/ Not really, I miss the dude.

libbynomore2: I'd like to thank subby for this illustriative headline, and of course, the responses. This will make a great McCain campaign commercial:

" This is how Obama and his supporters feel about 9-11 and those who serve this country. "


I really appreciate your honesty. America deserves to know where you people are coming from. Please, keep on yapping.


Okay, here's one better: 9/11 happened. Shiat happens. Get over it. I'm tired of hearing about it, and I don't live in fear of it happening again, no matter how badly you want me to.

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

It flew over my house. It was NOT shot down.

lexslamman: Republicans have failed this country so many times in the war on terror since 2001 that, even in the worst case scenario that John W. McBush and what's-her-name end up miraculously winning this campaign, they should not be entrusted with the campaign against al Qaeda. If it wasn't for the flawed judgement of McCain, Bush, and their party chances are we would have destroyed a Qaeda gotten bin Laden already or at least stomped out most of the Taliban.

We definitely need to change direction on terrorism policy, and not go for another 4 years that resemble the mediocre results of the last.

Great. So, what is Obama's realistic approach to stopping Bin Laden?

danlpoon: Are you serious? "Restoration of municipal services"? They're still struggling with cholera outbreaks, ffs.

Water, sewer, electricity. All working like a charm. Is it our fault these people wipe with the same bare hand they eat with?
No.

Cholera comes from tainted water. You might be thinking of Shigilosis.

Oxfam reported that 70% of Iraqis are without running water as of July/08. Apparently there were some huge improvements recently?

sseye: etyer: lexslamman: John McCain would rather stay in Iraq for another 100 years than acknowledge the kind of change we need to honor the victims of 9/11 and their families by taking a realistic approach to stopping bin Laden and his followers.

You mean sending troops into Pakistan to root them out of the mountains there once and for all and say to hell with what Pakistan has to say about it? Is that the realistic approach. Just sit back and watch... McCain will take that approach. And not have to forsake Iraq so you can sit back in smug satisfaction of the defeat of the country and say "Ha! I was right!"

Except he won't. He wouldn't. He said he wouldn't. He criticized Obama for saying he would.

There you go again, chump.


Oh, ye who have little faith in the changing tactics of warfare. With the new Pakistani government in place, we have already begun incursions into Pakistan with commandoes and unmanned drones. It is only a matter of time before we send troops in and get the job done. We did it in Cambodia and said we wouldn't. We'll do it again. Just because McCain said he wouldn't doesn't mean the situation won't change or even that the Pakistani government would either "overlook" the operations or even actively engage in them with us, but never publicly disclose it...

Wolf_Blitzer: Typical White Person: Thunderpipes: Bush flew one of the most dangerous and difficult to fly aircraft in US history. That little fact probably never occured to Farkers though, nope.

What did Bush fly?

F-102s

Coke

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

I blame inbreeding, myself.

Oxfam reported that 70% of Iraqis are without running water as of July/08. Apparently there were some huge improvements recently?

Only 20% had running water under Hussein (not Hussein Obama, the less bad one, Saddam Hussein).

You guys know Iraq was a cess-pool before we got there, right? It's not like we bombed a real country.

Rodddxl: But to Obama's credit, he does think a military career is enobling (wtf?) and...and...uhhhh...honorable



Enobling is a perfectly cromulant word.

danlpoon: You guys know Iraq was a cess-pool before we got there, right? It's not like we bombed a real country.

Shouldn't you be "traveling"?

Typical White Person: etyer: For all the dumbasses in here saying he crashed five planes, let's examine at least two of the instances:

One "crash" was when he was shot down.

The other "crash" involved him sitting in the cockpit of his jet on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal. A missile on another jet malfunctioned and was fired across the deck, hitting the jet next to McCain's. The Forrestal was nearly lost in the ensuing fire and horrible explosions.

And a burnout of a jet in another crash, I would say, was not all that uncommon.

I'm not saying the guy was a great pilot or anything, but to say "BUT, BUT HE CRASHED FIVE TIMES!!!! OMG!!!!" is completely false. I wouldn't count two of those.

Ya morons.

This.

McCain had mechanical problems twice, was shot down once and had a fourth plane destroyed on the deck of the Forrestal. By the way, he was apparently trying to help rescue another pilot when one of the bombs went off on the Forrestal.

The fifth incident which is usually cited involves power lines near the Mediterranean in which his plane never crashed.

Instead of being a lousy pilot as the left attempts to claim, he appears to have been quite heroic.

None of these incidents prevented McCain from winning regular promotions and being assigned additional flight duty. The Navy praised his "aggressiveness and skillful airmanship" when awarding him the Navy Commendation Medal for an attack Oct. 18, 1967, on a shipyard in Haiphong, North Vietnam, prior to his capture. The Navy also commended his "superb airmanship" in awarding him the Distinguished Flying Cross for a bombing attack on a Hanoi power plant Oct. 26, 1967. His plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile on that mission, but he "continued his bomb delivery pass and released his bombs over the target" before being forced to eject, according to the official citation.

I will not be voting for McCain but I never questioned his military record or the innuendo of five plane crashes.

If you watch the films of the Forrestal fire, you can see McCain nearly getting killed by an explosion. video

I disagree with McCain's proposed policies. His outlook, however, doesn't make me feel like running down his obvious bravery while in the military. He toted his brassies in a wheelbarrow back then.

Shincox: No doubt most of you Obama voters can get behind this (pops)

WAAAAARGARRRRBL! Anyone who doesn't suck republican dick in the airport bathroom is an America-hater™.

shut up. If you hate half of america so much, leave.

CruzAzul 2008-09-11 03:09:25 PM
etyer: I'm not saying the guy was a great pilot or anything, but to say "BUT, BUT HE CRASHED FIVE TIMES!!!! OMG!!!!" is completely false. I wouldn't count two of those.

OK, fair enough. How about instead we count the number of times he surrendered to the North Vietnamese? The freepers here can then tell us the acceptable number of times for a wannabe president to surrender to the enemy. And then we're all happy.

Not that I personally give a shiat, but at least McCain went to Vietnam...

Oh...

The "crash site" consisting of a shallow ditch? The "crash site" where a 60 ton plane disappeared into a hole in the ground and was never recovered? The "crash site" where the coroner left after twenty minutes because there were no bodies? The "crash site" that was surrounded by an eight mile debris field?

Sorry folks. The Hollywooden depiction of the "heroic" cockpit breach by the food cart just did not happen...but is now part of the common consciousness thanks to the repeating of a lie.

And sorry again folks, but jets blew flight 93 out of the sky.

But there are far more people chiming in around here who prefer bedtime stories to the truth, so keep on sleepin'.

fernt: Oh...

The "crash site" consisting of a shallow ditch? The "crash site" where a 60 ton plane disappeared into a hole in the ground and was never recovered? The "crash site" where the coroner left after twenty minutes because there were no bodies? The "crash site" that was surrounded by an eight mile debris field?

Sorry folks. The Hollywooden depiction of the "heroic" cockpit breach by the food cart just did not happen...but is now part of the common consciousness thanks to the repeating of a lie.

And sorry again folks, but jets blew flight 93 out of the sky.

But there are far more people chiming in around here who prefer bedtime stories to the truth, so keep on sleepin'.

I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

Subby Fails

/-911

fernt: Oh...

The "crash site" consisting of a shallow ditch? The "crash site" where a 60 ton plane disappeared into a hole in the ground and was never recovered? The "crash site" where the coroner left after twenty minutes because there were no bodies? The "crash site" that was surrounded by an eight mile debris field?

Sorry folks. The Hollywooden depiction of the "heroic" cockpit breach by the food cart just did not happen...but is now part of the common consciousness thanks to the repeating of a lie.

And sorry again folks, but jets blew flight 93 out of the sky.

But there are far more people chiming in around here who prefer bedtime stories to the truth, so keep on sleepin'.

Actually, if it WAS blown out of the sky, there would be bodies all over the place. I lived in cerritos, CA in the 80's when a small plane collided with an Aero-Mexico airliner at cruise altitude, there were bodies raining down on the neighborhood. Also, see images from the Iranian jetliner we shot down, there were plenty of bodies scattered in the ocean.

Beemer: Wolf_Blitzer: Typical White Person: Thunderpipes: Bush flew one of the most dangerous and difficult to fly aircraft in US history. That little fact probably never occured to Farkers though, nope.

What did Bush fly?

F-102s

Coke

I guess Obama was only snorting coke while he was organizing the community.

Drunk Astronaut:

If you watch the films of the Forrestal fire, you can see McCain nearly getting killed by an explosion. video


The historical video used is from the flight deck. But the so-called "wet start" is impossible in a jet that doesn't have an afterburner. Not to mention, how was he trying to startle the pilot behind him when the aft of his jet was off the flight deck? Not to mention that the video itself shows this. And the video also shows the rocket coming from another jet on the starboard side of the flight deck.

Not only do the Naval records support this, I worked for a guy for a year who served on the USS Forrestal when it was recommissioned after repairs. He served with a lot of the survivors from that day.

fernt: Oh...

The "crash site" consisting of a shallow ditch? The "crash site" where a 60 ton plane disappeared into a hole in the ground and was never recovered? The "crash site" where the coroner left after twenty minutes because there were no bodies? The "crash site" that was surrounded by an eight mile debris field?

Sorry folks. The Hollywooden depiction of the "heroic" cockpit breach by the food cart just did not happen...but is now part of the common consciousness thanks to the repeating of a lie.

And sorry again folks, but jets blew flight 93 out of the sky.

But there are far more people chiming in around here who prefer bedtime stories to the truth, so keep on sleepin'.

Ahhhh look at the conspiracy theorist trying to make a point. How cute.......

peeny bunslinger: El Farquistador: But I just believe that the government is too inept to pull that off.

A farking golfer Payne Stewart's plane went unresponsive and within 10 76 minutes there were jets was a jet flying alongside himnearby, after two other jets had failed to intercept the flight. The government, in this area as in all others, is definitely not inept. They were told to stand down. 'Cept for that plane in Shanksville, that shiat was shot down. You can believe the government, which lies to us constantly, or you can believe the numerous honest dumb citizens with nothing to gain by not telling the truth except eternal fame on truther websites.

Fixed.

Payne Stewart's plane (new window)

Shrugging Atlas: Easy there Subby. Don't you know there were five and a half years where McCain couldn't crash an airplane?

Were I not at work, I would have guffawed. As it were, I had to merely make a hiccuping noise.

/Thank you!

etyer: I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

To mis-trust "official stories" and do my own research?

It's at worst interesting, and at best enlightening. There is a ton of good stuff on 9/11 (and a heap of bullshiat). Sifting through it is tedious but the good information can be found. Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

One thing it isn't is certain. Defenders of the Official Story seem to be certain. I am not, and will keep reading and watching and trying to learn more about it. That's what it's like.

aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

We know it was shot down.

fernt: etyer: I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

To mis-trust "official stories" and do my own research?

It's at worst interesting, and at best enlightening. There is a ton of good stuff on 9/11 (and a heap of bullshiat). Sifting through it is tedious but the good information can be found. Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

One thing it isn't is certain. Defenders of the Official Story seem to be certain. I am not, and will keep reading and watching and trying to learn more about it. That's what it's like.

No, no, no. None of that shiat. What is it like to live your life in such a haze? Are you schizophrenic? Are you on medications? It must be really difficult to function in life when you are so tragically inept at distinguishing fantasy from reality.

lexslamman: Why does John McCain continue the Bush policy of pretending that the war in Iraq had anything to do with the war on terror?

McCain promises to stay in Iraq until victory is won. Will he eventually define victory in the next 2 months, or is he going to make it up as he goes along just like George W. Bush?

The point now is what can our future President (whomever he is) will do NOW to continue the end-roards to a stable & sovereign Iraq. It really no longer has anything to do with "War on Terror", but I don't live there, so maybe it does....but car-bombs sometimes have nothing to do with terrorism(?).

/could just be a very STRICT "no parking" policy.
//In Bagdad, your ass better run to the meter!!!

etyer: fernt: etyer: I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

To mis-trust "official stories" and do my own research?

It's at worst interesting, and at best enlightening. There is a ton of good stuff on 9/11 (and a heap of bullshiat). Sifting through it is tedious but the good information can be found. Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

One thing it isn't is certain. Defenders of the Official Story seem to be certain. I am not, and will keep reading and watching and trying to learn more about it. That's what it's like.

No, no, no. None of that shiat. What is it like to live your life in such a haze? Are you schizophrenic? Are you on medications? It must be really difficult to function in life when you are so tragically inept at distinguishing fantasy from reality.

And whats it like with the glass half empty perspective ya little worthless conspiracy maggot shiat eater?

fernt: Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

So what happened to the towers? The Pentagon?

Gwendolyn: Wow I think you just insulted Naval pilots everywhere. Bush flew in the National Guard though.

*ahem* Naval Aviators. They don't call themselves pilots. They say "pilots" are guys who need things like mile-plus long runways to take off and land.

If you don't believe me, ask one. If you need to know whether someone's a Naval Aviator, just wait two minutes. They'll tell you.

Rodddxl: ElPresidente:
You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

You know how many days Obama served in the military? Zero
You know how many years Obama attended a racist church? TWENTY
You know how many terrorists Obama served on a Board with? One
You know how many associates of Obama's are in prison? Two
You know how many drugs Obama took in high school and college? All of them


you know how many magazine subscriptions Obama gets in his mail? five.
you know how many scoops are in Obama's raisin bran? two. in every box.
you know how many licks it takes for Obama to get to the center of a tootsie pop? about 134.
you know how many imported italian twinkle lights obama puts up on his house at christmas time? 25,000.
you know how many times Obama has read Don Quixote? I don't either, but i suspect he might have at least thumbed through it at book store or a yard sale at some time or another.
yo

Freezebyte: ...ya little worthless conspiracy maggot shiat eater?

Freezebyte: etyer: fernt: etyer: I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

To mis-trust "official stories" and do my own research?

It's at worst interesting, and at best enlightening. There is a ton of good stuff on 9/11 (and a heap of bullshiat). Sifting through it is tedious but the good information can be found. Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

One thing it isn't is certain. Defenders of the Official Story seem to be certain. I am not, and will keep reading and watching and trying to learn more about it. That's what it's like.

No, no, no. None of that shiat. What is it like to live your life in such a haze? Are you schizophrenic? Are you on medications? It must be really difficult to function in life when you are so tragically inept at distinguishing fantasy from reality.

And whats it like with the glass half empty perspective ya little worthless conspiracy maggot shiat eater?

Good sir, I think you fail to realize that I am not a conspiracist.

As far as the glass being half empty or half full, I am a Cubs fan, we just wait for the glass to get knocked over.

fernt: etyer: I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

To mis-trust "official stories" and do my own research?

It's at worst interesting, and at best enlightening. There is a ton of good stuff on 9/11 (and a heap of bullshiat). Sifting through it is tedious but the good information can be found. Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

One thing it isn't is certain. Defenders of the Official Story seem to be certain. I am not, and will keep reading and watching and trying to learn more about it. That's what it's like.

Aw, that's such a cute truther story. Almost makes you sound sane.

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: I guess Obama was only snorting coke while he was organizing the community.

That's why nobody holds him responsible for it, and Obamacoke=OK and Bu$hcoke=teh DEBIL.

If you compare the official military writeup of McCain's shoot down incident with his own story, you'll see that they aren't even consistent.

One version: He was hit by a missile after dropping his ordinance, resulting in the crash. The other: He was hit by a missile and damaged, dropped his ordinance, and couldn't pull up. I'm pretty sure there are 2 or 3 other versions as well.

My theory: he f*cked up by going into too steep of a dive to drop his ordinance and couldn't pull up, so had to eject, and no missile ever hit him. It was a cover story to protect his dignity, hence the disrepancies.

He already had a record as a sh*tty pilot afterall.

This is Rove's plan all along, get McCain in Airforce 1 while Palin is in Airforce 2 and BAM. POW! plane crash and Palin is president and Rove is her right hand /puppeteer man.

Gonz: Gwendolyn: Wow I think you just insulted Naval pilots everywhere. Bush flew in the National Guard though.

*ahem* Naval Aviators. They don't call themselves pilots. They say "pilots" are guys who need things like mile-plus long runways to take off and land.

If you don't believe me, ask one. If you need to know whether someone's a Naval Aviator, just wait two minutes. They'll tell you.

If you ever have a nay pilot tell you that, ask them if their first flight was off of a carrier or a mile+ long runway.

Bartleby the Scrivener: Rodddxl: ElPresidente:
You know how many times McLame was shot down? Once. You know how many planes McLame crashed? FIVE.

You know how many days Obama served in the military? Zero
You know how many years Obama attended a racist church? TWENTY
You know how many terrorists Obama served on a Board with? One
You know how many associates of Obama's are in prison? Two
You know how many drugs Obama took in high school and college? All of them


you know how many magazine subscriptions Obama gets in his mail? five.
you know how many scoops are in Obama's raisin bran? two. in every box.
you know how many licks it takes for Obama to get to the center of a tootsie pop? about 134.
you know how many imported italian twinkle lights obama puts up on his house at christmas time? 25,000.
you know how many times Obama has read Don Quixote? I don't either, but i suspect he might have at least thumbed through it at book store or a yard sale at some time or another.
yo

Bullshiat. Everybody knows that it's least 500 licks to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop - though the actual number will forever be shrouded in mystery...

Though I hate the whole truther idea, especially when it comes to the pentagon being hit with a missle and the towers being an inside job or anything.

I'm not 100% convinced that flight 93 was brought down by the passengers. Maybe only 90% convinced.

etyer: Freezebyte: etyer: fernt: etyer:

As far as the glass being half empty or half full, I am a Cubs fan, we just wait for the glass to get knocked over.

I fail to see the difference

nekom: aquigley: ? for Farkers, especially PA ones because I can feel that this will go green:

How many of you think United 93 was actually shot down?

My in-laws are all from PA, and every single one of them states this as a fact. Some are Republican, most are Democrats, but they don't disagree on this.

Personally, I'm not sure if it matters...if they had to shoot it down, they had to. And it doesn't take anything away from the passengers that fought back in-flight.

Just wondering.

I'm south of Pittsburgh, 93 flew damned near over my house on its wacky path before crashing up in the mountains. I've seen the flight path, listened to ATC tapes, looked at every piece of evidence I could find, and I see no reason to believe that it was shot down. But I also can't conclusively say that it wasn't, and under the circumstances I could see the government possibly making the call to do so. My guess is the assholes just ran it into the ground when the passengers were closing in on them.

GO STEELAHS

fernt: Oh...

The "crash site" consisting of a shallow ditch? The "crash site" where a 60 ton plane disappeared into a hole in the ground and was never recovered? The "crash site" where the coroner left after twenty minutes because there were no bodies? The "crash site" that was surrounded by an eight mile debris field?

Sorry folks. The Hollywooden depiction of the "heroic" cockpit breach by the food cart just did not happen...but is now part of the common consciousness thanks to the repeating of a lie.

And sorry again folks, but jets blew flight 93 out of the sky.

But there are far more people chiming in around here who prefer bedtime stories to the truth, so keep on sleepin'.

Try using a heavier grade of tin-foil.

Can anyone tell me any proof that it was shot down?

Can anyone tell me any proof that it wasn't shot down? (have the entire recordings from the in flight recorder been released yet, last I heard the last few minutes or seconds were not available to the public)

One question: Shouldn't there be some sort of wreckage if a 757 slams into the ground?

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It was shot down or it blew up mid air.If they shot it down, than I am glad that at east one thing went right that day. If I was on that plane and knew what had already happened that day, I would be ok with plane being shot down. It's not really a conspiracy theory to think that the plane was shot down. It was the proper thing to do given the circumstances. I applaud them for doing it.

Satan's Superfluous Nipple: If you ever have a nay pilot tell you that, ask them if their first flight was off of a carrier or a mile+ long runway.

Their first flight, or the ones they performed after they earned their "Wings of Gold"?

TheLoneDrunkman: Can anyone tell me any proof that it was shot down?

Can anyone tell me any proof that it wasn't shot down? (have the entire recordings from the in flight recorder been released yet, last I heard the last few minutes or seconds were not available to the public)

The end of the recording hasn't been made public because it supposedly contains the sound of air rushing in through newly made gaping hole in the plane.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If you compare the official military writeup of McCain's shoot down incident with his own story, you'll see that they aren't even consistent.

One version: He was hit by a missile after dropping his ordinance, resulting in the crash. The other: He was hit by a missile and damaged, dropped his ordinance, and couldn't pull up. I'm pretty sure there are 2 or 3 other versions as well.

My theory: he f*cked up by going into too steep of a dive to drop his ordinance and couldn't pull up, so had to eject, and no missile ever hit him. It was a cover story to protect his dignity, hence the disrepancies.

He already had a record as a sh*tty pilot afterall.

Waaaaaaaaaahhhh!

Well I use Mac/Linux...: TheLoneDrunkman: Can anyone tell me any proof that it was shot down?

Can anyone tell me any proof that it wasn't shot down? (have the entire recordings from the in flight recorder been released yet, last I heard the last few minutes or seconds were not available to the public)

The end of the recording hasn't been made public because it supposedly contains the sound of air rushing in through newly made gaping hole in the plane.


Is that true or bullshiat?

fireclown: Satan's Superfluous Nipple: I guess Obama was only snorting coke while he was organizing the community.

That's why nobody holds him responsible for it, and Obamacoke=OK and Bu$hcoke=teh DEBIL.

The difference for most people is that Obama admitted that he used drugs (even wrote about it in his book).

Bush failed to mention this aspect of his life (or slightly hinted at it, with drinking being the mentionable).

There is the difference. It is about hypocrisy, not drug use. If you fark up in your life, take responsibility for it, admit it and move on.

Looks like we need to place a large order of tin foil hats for our not so friendly Farkers. It also appears that a large order of good taste, respect and restraint is necessary.

fernt: Oh...

The "crash site" consisting of a shallow ditch? The "crash site" where a 60 ton plane disappeared into a hole in the ground and was never recovered? The "crash site" where the coroner left after twenty minutes because there were no bodies? The "crash site" that was surrounded by an eight mile debris field?

Sorry folks. The Hollywooden depiction of the "heroic" cockpit breach by the food cart just did not happen...but is now part of the common consciousness thanks to the repeating of a lie.

And sorry again folks, but jets blew flight 93 out of the sky.

But there are far more people chiming in around here who prefer bedtime stories to the truth, so keep on sleepin'.

Yeah, because you are an expert is plane crashes or explosives.

And if you think there was no debris or bodies, perhaps you should find accounts of the first responders to the scene.

Listen, just because you watched Loose Change or whatever it was called on YouTube does not make you a demolitions expert or a plane crash expert.

Sorry folks, the "Hollywooden" depiction of a vast 9/11 conspiracy just did not happen.

etyer:

No, no, no. None of that shiat. What is it like to live your life in such a haze? Are you schizophrenic? Are you on medications? It must be really difficult to function in life when you are so tragically inept at distinguishing fantasy from reality.

If your idea of reality if what came out of the 9/11 Commission then we have different views of reality. I would ask, how many books and videos describing an alternative viewpoint have you read and watched? Have you even exposed yourself to anything beyond the craziest crap?

Or is your last word the Bush administration, The Discovery/History Channels and Popular Mechanics, etc?

fernt: etyer: I'm curious. What is like? Really? What IS it like?

To mis-trust "official stories" and do my own research?

It's at worst interesting, and at best enlightening. There is a ton of good stuff on 9/11 (and a heap of bullshiat). Sifting through it is tedious but the good information can be found. Little to none of the actual story came out of the 9/11 Commission.

One thing it isn't is certain. Defenders of the Official Story seem to be certain. I am not, and will keep reading and watching and trying to learn more about it. That's what it's like.

Gee, kind of like all the work and research John Nash did in secret.

Thanks for the responses. Again, I agree it had to be done if it indeed was. I just hate the propaganda aspect of it and what it's become.

FYI, there's no way in fark the WTC was demolished by charges.

Freezebyte: etyer: Freezebyte: etyer: fernt: etyer:

As far as the glass being half empty or half full, I am a Cubs fan, we just wait for the glass to get knocked over.

I fail to see the difference


That's the joke... you see, as a Cubs fan, it doesn't matter if it is half full or half empty, the worst possible thing that could happen (it getting knocked over) is what Cubs fans are used to after watching them fail to get in the World Series in over 60 years and not get a World Series win in 100 years. You know, if I have to explain it, it just isn't funny anymore. =/

Anyhoo, I was being critical of the conspiracy nutjob 9/11 troofer. I am not one of those said troofers.