Darconix: Because Obama fully meant the connotation of the pig comment.

Bullshiatter. Stop manufacturing outrage.

Even after so many years of laughing at the absurdity of Steven Colbert referencing "thinking with your gut," the same people still decide that's a good personal policy for critical decision-making at the polls?

The mind reels.

In the last month it seems like the whole campaign has turned around. A while ago I thought Obama was a dead cert. McCain had no chance; he was constantly called on being old and dottery. No-one took him seriously. Meanwhile Obama captured imaginations, got people interested in politics who had never voted before, and was far and away more popular in the eyes of the media and the public.

I don't know when exactly it happened, but something went horribly wrong for him. After Palin was picked things started to look shakey. I mean, she's a terrible candidate, but for some reason this really put Obama off kilter. He lashed out at her, but it only made people feel sorry about her. The he used the pig line which was misinterpreted. And there was the "Muslim faith" gaffe. Suddenly, MCain and Palin were looking a hell of a lot better. Not better candidates, not better people for the job, not better at campaigning, but somehow stronger than they had been before. Soon enough McCain caught up, then started leading in the polls, and the furore and near-worship of Obama (I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I just have no other way of describing the intense love many people had for him) was diminished. He's started to crack a little.

His honeymoon is over, and Palin's has just begun. And because the election is drawing ever closer, her honeymoon might not run out. After a good year or public opinion in favour of Obama and nothing bt scorn for McCain it seems like the tide is turning a little. So I've gone from thinking Obama couldn't lose to thinking that McCain might win. But I'd just love to know how it happened.

Fact Man: RetiredTroll:
2. Obama's main problem is that people have finally seen the depth of his extremism. For most people, it is not even that he is Muslim, it is that he lied about it for so long. He did finally admit it a couple days ago on live TV, SUCK IT LIBS! - Link - Obama admits to his Muslim faith after years of lies (pops - new window)

YouTube is blocked at my work. Is this the clip where he says "McCain hasn't said anything about my Muslim faith"? Because if that's the one you're talking about, it's BS.

He was saying that McCain has not accused him of being of Muslim faith as a lot of other people have. The reporter tripped him up by saying "You mean Catholic Christian faith".

Sorry, FTFM

Any of you that truly believes one party is any better than the other, or that any politicians care about you is a farking idiot.

Any of you that thinks the conservatives are any more to blame than the liberals, or vice versa....are complete faking idiots.

barjockey: I love to watch the Obama Ministry of the Media crumble.

Shut up barjockey, you cock.

It is simple folks, Obama's story is getting old. He has been saying the same stuff for almost 2 years now. It is time for substance and he just does not have it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not voting for McCain either. Both of these candidates are NOT here for the people. They are in this for themselves and the real power lies with the lobbies.

We do need change and we need to ban lobbies but it won't happen since they run the show!

Anti_illuminati: Citations please.

Obama wants to raise taxes on gas and electricity.

He plays a shell game with cuts in income taxes, but when you consider the new taxes he's going to lay down, you WILL pay more in taxes under Obama.

More gas taxes? Does Obama think that we're paying too little for Gas?

Darconix:
Because Obama fully meant the connotation of the pig comment. The crowd understood what he meant when he said it, and reacted to it as an attack on Palin. Obama just got called on it, and I think he'd rather it go away before the classless statement goes out before all of America and not just the political junkies.

You think? I don't believe it. You just parrot whatever Rush said.

"I like much of what he has to say, especially about energy,"

Wait, Friedman is an anti-nuke/anti-energy-independence nutcase, too? Damn, the guy has no redeeming qualities as an opinion writer whatsoever, does he?

//The only issue that made me seriously consider voting McCain... for about 5 seconds. I've oscillated between gObama and flipping a coin on everything else. But continuing the NIMBY bullshiat and allowing the pander to drive a regression in energy tech does piss me off, anyhow.

Anti_illuminati: McCainDemocrat: In fact, Obama wants to raise gas prices, raise your bills, and raise your taxes.

Citations please.

Also, when comparing McCain's tax policies from McCain's website to Obama's tax policies from Obama's website, why does it go against EVERYTHING you just stated in that sentence?

I saw that McCain ad, too, but recognized it as lies.

Capper5016: Any of you that truly believes one party is any better than the other, or that any politicians care about you is a farking idiot.

Any of you that thinks the conservatives are any more to blame than the liberals, or vice versa....are complete faking idiots.

Watch it, that kind of talk has gotten me labeled a closet Ultra Conservative (aka Fark Independent^tm here on Fark many a time.

Obama started his campaign expecting nothing more than a coronation ceremony into the White House. The press obliged him at every step. Now, he's got an actual fight on his hands. His only way to deal with such is to revert back to form - a spineless, arrogant, stuttering ex-community organizer.

Personally, I want to see him make a campaign commercial about this stupid lipstick thing. Go out there, buy a 60 second spot on network prime time (you know he has enough money in the coffers to do so) and just say this:

"No, I do not apologize to Gov. Palin. I feel bad for her, because she is surrounded by men and women who are so desperate to win and lead this country further down the road of ruin that they are determined to follow. But I used a statement that millions have used since time immemorial, and in no way does Gov. Palin hold a patent on the word "lipstick."

That said, if she DID actually become offended by said statement and not just feigning insult for manufactured controversy, I feel an apology is indeed in order. I was not aware that the self esteem of a self proclaimed pitbull could be so low as to be offended by a shared coloquilism that was not even directed at her, but at McCain and her shared policies.

In short: Get over yourselves. Your time has come and gone in Washington, and now you are grasping at straws to maintain your hold on power. It's time for a new form of politics, a new way of doing things in government with honor. This new world has no place for you, so at least have enough dignity to leave gracefully and not clawing at imagined shadows and blaming the heavens for your own demise.

I'm Barack Obama, and I approved this message."

jcooli09: You think? I don't believe it. You just parrot whatever Rush said.

Is that you Markos Moulitsas?

Jim_Callahan: anti-nuke

Obama is in favor of nuclear energy.

An tSaoi: In the last month it seems like the whole campaign has turned around. A while ago I thought Obama was a dead cert. McCain had no chance; he was constantly called on being old and dottery. No-one took him seriously. Meanwhile Obama captured imaginations, got people interested in politics who had never voted before, and was far and away more popular in the eyes of the media and the public.

Exactly, Obama's role is to create mass apathy. To give another generation great hope and then crush it so they don't bother with politics in the future and destabilize the real power. Make them jaded and apathetic. The real power in this country like it that way and I admit its much more desirable than violent methods: even elegant.

Mongo cut wood: patrick767 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-09-10 11:19:22 AM
Diogenes
And he'll do it with the intelligence and class McCain and Palin could never muster.

Fail. Much of the US electorate has shown quite convincingly that they don't respond to intelligence and class. They like pandering. They like to elect people they want to have a beer with. Forget silly things like knowledge and intellect. Break out the pander bear!


Maybe the Democrats should offer a Black History month to pander to black voters....what...wait...they did...Maybe a Black History Season.....that's it...not like any other minorities deserve one (Native Americans).


Native American Day is the 4th Friday in September. May is Jewish-American History month and Asian/Pacific Heritage Month.

Darconix: jcooli09: You think? I don't believe it. You just parrot whatever Rush said.

Is that you Markos Moulitsas?

Is that you, Sean Hannity?

Pot has that effect.

sigdiamond2000: I love this new tactic by pundits where they act like John McCain winning the presidency is the craziest f*cking thing they've ever heard of in their lives and if he pulls it off it will be a miracle of Biblical proportions. Meanwhile, for months, the polls have show McCain and Obama to be at a virtual statistical dead heat.

Well said.

The media fawning over Obama is so obvious it is having the effect of turning a lot of people away from him. People are not stupid. They know when they are being manipulated.

DamnYankees: DeltaXi65: He has to recognize that a lot of people, in both parties, took the comment as a direct hit at Palin, intentional or not.

And a lot of folks in Salem think if you managed to avoid catching a cold you were in league with the devil.

We're in the crucible, folks.

THIS is what is disheartening this member of Obama's base. people are stupid as sacks of mud, and they are proud to be.

Vonster,

Wow, you're right. I'm totally going to vote for McCain now.

An tSaoi: In the last month it seems like the whole campaign has turned around. A while ago I thought Obama was a dead cert. McCain had no chance; he was constantly called on being old and dottery. No-one took him seriously. Meanwhile Obama captured imaginations, got people interested in politics who had never voted before, and was far and away more popular in the eyes of the media and the public.

I don't know when exactly it happened, but something went horribly wrong for him. After Palin was picked things started to look shakey. I mean, she's a terrible candidate, but for some reason this really put Obama off kilter. He lashed out at her, but it only made people feel sorry about her. The he used the pig line which was misinterpreted. And there was the "Muslim faith" gaffe. Suddenly, MCain and Palin were looking a hell of a lot better. Not better candidates, not better people for the job, not better at campaigning, but somehow stronger than they had been before. Soon enough McCain caught up, then started leading in the polls, and the furore and near-worship of Obama (I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I just have no other way of describing the intense love many people had for him) was diminished. He's started to crack a little.

His honeymoon is over, and Palin's has just begun. And because the election is drawing ever closer, her honeymoon might not run out. After a good year or public opinion in favour of Obama and nothing bt scorn for McCain it seems like the tide is turning a little. So I've gone from thinking Obama couldn't lose to thinking that McCain might win. But I'd just love to know how it happened.

Because now Obama is walking on glass. He would love to attack Palin like she attacks him, but the media distorts EVERYTHING to sexism. Then you have Faux News running around twisting everything he says to encourage outrage from the republican party in hopes that casual Indies to vote of McCain, if anybody. It's blatently obvious for anyone who has been following this election. After the public sees through this "personality and character war" the Republican party is waging and gets back to issues, both economic and social, it'll be a new ball game.

culebra: Darconix: jcooli09: You think? I don't believe it. You just parrot whatever Rush said.

Is that you Markos Moulitsas?

Is that you, Sean Hannity?

No way, he isn't creative enough. Just another dittohead.

Steakfrites: Mongo cut wood: patrick767 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-09-10 11:19:22 AM
Diogenes
And he'll do it with the intelligence and class McCain and Palin could never muster.

Fail. Much of the US electorate has shown quite convincingly that they don't respond to intelligence and class. They like pandering. They like to elect people they want to have a beer with. Forget silly things like knowledge and intellect. Break out the pander bear!


Maybe the Democrats should offer a Black History month to pander to black voters....what...wait...they did...Maybe a Black History Season.....that's it...not like any other minorities deserve one (Native Americans).


Native American Day is the 4th Friday in September. May is Jewish-American History month and Asian/Pacific Heritage Month.

March is Women's History Month. Hispanic Heritage Month begins September 15th.

jcooli09: I saw that McCain ad, too, but recognized it as lies.

But yet you're willing to stand up and scream "Lies! Lies!" when someone points out that Obama's policies won't work because Obama said they would?

And you wonder why people consider your fascination with Obama to border on the religious?

DeltaXi65: DamnYankees: And a lot of folks in Salem think if you managed to avoid catching a cold you were in league with the devil.

We're in the crucible, folks.

So we're judging modern sensibilities based on 400 year old historical anecdotes? Just because John McCain was around for the Salem witch trials doesn't mean most Americans were.

Not a Miller fan, eh?

Obama can't provide details for what "change" means... He quick to point out what's wrong but has to plan to fix anything.

He's going to get worked in the debates over this very issue.

Wow, makes me wonder what happened to the McCain of 2000. After that primary, one would have thought he would be finished with the GOP. I probably would have voted for him then too....

/GObama

I'm waiting for one shred of something that I should respect in Obama. For instance, when O'Reilly interviewed him and asked him about him ever hearing Wright's inflammatory rhetoric in church over the past twenty years, part of me wanted Obama to say, "Yeah - I heard him sometimes. I didn't know what to do - he married my wife and I, baptized our kids - he's like a crazy old uncle that you love, but you take everything he says with a grain of salt" - I could have actually respected a response like that. But no it was "I never heard him say anything like that ever" - BULLshiat! Obama has no backbone whatsoever - and this is who you want to run our country?!

McCainDemocrat: Anti_illuminati: Citations please.

Obama wants to raise taxes on gas and electricity.

He plays a shell game with cuts in income taxes, but when you consider the new taxes he's going to lay down, you WILL pay more in taxes under Obama.

More gas taxes? Does Obama think that we're paying too little for Gas?

When the bulk of your argument is based on lies and fear mongering, you've already lost the debate. Do you really think anyone other than the GWB fanclub is buying any of this baseless garbage you spew?

gyronic:
/Obama-Biden have TWICE as much education than GWBUSH or McCain/Palin.

You have more language skills as a five year old

PacManDreaming: lunchinlewis: He needs to get back on coke.

That's what gets me. Bush's coke use was a pretty big issue, but Obama's doesn't even register on anyone's radar. How do we know Obama doing the "Uh...um...uh..." routine isn't because his cocaine-addled brain is in some kind of downward spiral? And people have been slamming Palin for having a child so late in life and putting him at greater risks for birth defects, yet no one says anything about an admitted cocaine and alcohol abuser having two children even though we have plenty of evidence that drugs use and birth defects go hand in hand.

I've seen liberals here on Fark, whining about how former coke-head Bush has led us to war and generally screwed us over for eight years. Now, they want to put another former coke-head in office. Obama will probably have us invade New Zealand because he's convinced they're developing an illegal Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator in violation of sanctions.

I know this is kind of a stretch, but I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy coming from Liberals this time around. If it wasn't OK for Bush to be a former coke fiend and alcoholic, why are Liberals giving Obama a free ride?

Bush never admitted it. He always skirted the issue.

xtragrind: Obama can't provide details for what "change" means... He quick to point out what's wrong but has to plan to fix anything.

He's going to get worked in the debates over this very issue.

Any time I see a "man on the street" interview and the interviewee says they're voting for Obama, and the reporter asks why, all they say is "He's for change. McCain is the same as the Bush adminstration and we need change."

They never ask them to elaborate on that...

culebra: Jim_Callahan: anti-nuke

Obama is in favor of nuclear energy.

I'm tired of this "in favor" crap. I want specifics, from both politicians. Save your stump soundbytes for your speeches. I want specifics, in terms of how many nuclear power plants, how much you'll spend on clean coal technology, etc.

I'm in favor of unicorns and puppy farts and gay marriage.

It's not Rove-style politics to step up his honest estimation of Republican tactics. He needs to openly start calling them things like "liar," and say that they are acting "like stupid children." This will piss them off, but they won't be able to take the high road on it. Their strength is in pretending that they are the victims of some underhanded, hurtful slight. Obama needs to to just call a spade a spade.

Darconix:

But yet you're willing to stand up and scream "Lies! Lies!" when someone points out that Obama's policies won't work because Obama said they would?

And you wonder why people consider your fascination with Obama to border on the religious?

Obama's policies not being workable does not make them lies. If Obama were to claim a policy, while knowing that his real policy were something else, that would be a lie. This is something that my 8 year old daughter is having trouble with right now, too, but I hope that she makes the connection soon.

My support of Obama does is not a religious fascination. I won't try to define this term because it's a fairly advanced concept and if you haven't figured out what a lie is, you don't have any chance of getting this.

I don't wonder why some people call it a religious fascination, though. I listen to Rush, and he says it many times, every day. I understand that some people let him do their thinking.

Shadowknight: Personally, I want to see him make a campaign commercial about this stupid lipstick thing. Go out there, buy a 60 second spot on network prime time (you know he has enough money in the coffers to do so) and just say this:

"No, I...uhhh... do not apologize...uhhh... to Gov. Palin. I feel bad for her, because...uhhh... she is surrounded by...uhhh... men and women who are so desperate to win and lead this...uhhh... country further down the road of ruin...uhhh... that they are determined to follow. But I used a statement that...uhhh... millions have used...uhhh... since time immemorial, and in no way does Gov. Palin hold a patent on the word "lipstick."

That said, if she...uhhh... DID actually become offended by said statement and...uhhh... not just feigning insult for manufactured controversy,...uhhh... I feel an apology is indeed in order. I was not aware that the self ...uhhh...esteem of a self proclaimed pitbull ...uhhh...could be so low as to be offended by a shared coloquilism that was not even directed at her, but at McCain and her shared policies.

In short: ...uhhh...Get over yourselves. Your time has come and gone in ...uhhh...Washington, and now you are grasping at straws to maintain ...uhhh...your hold on power. It's time for a new...uhhh... form of politics, a new way of doing things in ...uhhh...government with honor. This new world...uhhh... has no place for you, so at least have enough dignity...uhhh... to leave gracefully and not clawing at...uhhh... imagined shadows and blaming the heavens for your own demise.

I'm Barack Obama, and I...uhhh... approved this message."

FTFY

Scratch Meany:

I know this is kind of a stretch, but I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy coming from Liberals this time around. If it wasn't OK for Bush to be a former coke fiend and alcoholic, why are Liberals giving Obama a free ride?

Bush never admitted it. He always skirted the issue.

But that's not what Bush is made fun of for. He's made fun of for having done coke. "Bush, that coke head," etc., there's even a Farker called Dubya'sCokeDealer. It's never "Bush, that guy who lied about doing coke." I think that "Well Bush lied about it and Obama didn't" is just the canned retort when Obama supporters have to explain why they don't hold Obama to the same standard.

And what does McCain have to say about it?

Link

oops ;)

[citation needed]RetiredTroll: That does NOT count as trolling.

Fair enough. It can be hard to tell.

Observatory: "Spare me the phony outrage. Spare me the phony talk about change,"

would this be the change exemplified by choosing Biden as VP?


/meh, 3/10 and I'm being generous to myself

SkinnyHead: He certainly didn't look very remorseful. Why don't he just admit his error and apologize for insulting the woman?

And why hasn't he stopped beating his wife yet???

I'm an Obama supporter.

I am not the least bit worried.

The debates will clarify a lot of things for a lot of people, and people will realize two things:

1) Sarah Palin is not at the top of the ticket. John McCain is, and...

2) People who are struggling with their mortgages, with losing their jobs and their benefits, with paying their tuition will, and with having loved ones in Iraq for the 4th or 5th time see that we cannot afford 4 more years of the same goddamned thing.

John McCain is just as uninteresting and tired as he's ever been. Wedge issues get put on the back burner when livelihoods are at stake.

Darconix: culebra: Jim_Callahan: anti-nuke

Obama is in favor of nuclear energy.

I'm tired of this "in favor" crap. I want specifics, from both politicians. Save your stump soundbytes for your speeches. I want specifics, in terms of how many nuclear power plants, how much you'll spend on clean coal technology, etc.

I'm in favor of unicorns and puppy farts and gay marriage.


No one cares.

atomic-age: THIS is what is disheartening this member of Obama's base. people are stupid as sacks of mud, and they are proud to be.

I'm sure you're bright, but is it really productive to say, in effect, "We, Obama's base, are smart as hell and the rest of you are idiots?"