Obama or McCain? More of the same...

/Enjoying your "democracy", America?

ToxicInk

Pretty good. Not over the top but the last few sentences could have been different. The stupidity was too blatant.

7/10

MrGumboPants: Way to out yourself as being completely ignorant of local politics. Do you even know which side of the city the Sox play in?

People in the city don't cheer the Sox. They're the suburbanite team.

I think the most accurate poll is the USAToday result giving McCain a 10 point lead. They concentrate exclusively on likely voters. The only age group where Obama has a lead, and it's whopping, is in the 18-29 group. But they have a pathetic record in actually showing up and voting. If they follow past desultory performance, Obama is going to get routed by10 points. The other thing is that the Republicans also take the men and the Democrats take the women, even Dole took the men. McCain just has to chip away at the lead the Democrats have among women, and Palin, as the thousand and one smears go off her back like water off a duck, puts Obama on the defensive among the women, so he may not get what Kerry got. McCain is also hot on Obama's tail in Pennsylvania and Michigan, and he's also running a western ticket which will help him stay in the game in Colorado. Of course the unexpected can always happen, but if this were a chess game, I'd say McCain has got everything set up for checkmate.

1. Put snakes on plane: culebra: RQB1018: It greatly disturbs me

You dropped this. Need some bonbons, sweetykins?

RTFT.

Well hell-I can give it an 10/10.
Well trolled, RQB1018.

ToxicInk: CONSIDER THIS POST FROM ILLINOIS AS A VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

I am voting for John McCain and Sarah Palin. I am a Libertarian/Independent. I am from the Chicago area and know how corrupt the city is with Daley, Jackson and the rest of the Good 'ol Boy Network. I wouldn't vote for Barack Obama if I was paid. Obama is too inexperienced. He practiced his speech very well for the convention, and all those fake Roman columns looked quite snazzy, but too much of the insane Hollywood types want him elected. This fact alone should be a Red Flag. Also, if he gets rattled by Bill O'Reilly that easily on "The Factor," then he isn't ready for the presidency.

I think McCain and Palin make a good team. This team is not my idealized vision. I do not agree with them on everything. However, I'd much rather have some Northern Exposure sensibilities introduced to the White House. In she ready for VP? Is anyone ever ready for the position of the President or the Vice-President?

I like that Governor Sarah Palin brings a fresh perspective to our government and that she has brought about change and has made contributions to her hometown in Alaska. So what if she isn't from a big city? Since when does living by a metropolis make you better able to deal with the population? Most city-dwellers are antisocial from my experience. I have lived in the Chicago area most of my life. I know how nasty city people can be. I will welcome a little "country" any day, but then I was born in Memphis, TN.
The democrats want change? Sarah Palin will shake things up a bit for 'em in Washington D.C. They won't know what to make of her. I enjoy the fact that the regular D.C. crowd will be bewildered.

Side note - Palin looks like a younger Peggy Hill, from "King of the Hill." I am comforted by that comparison. Peggy Hill is very no non-sense. With five kids, Sarah Palin knows how the make a dollar stretch. Maybe she can help get us out of our huge deficit.

Think about what you wrote and what is known about Governor Palin thus far.

Oldiron_79: Didn't those same people showing Obama with 292 ev show Kerry with 317 back in '04?

Nope. I know a lot of people got it wrong in 2004 and there were a number of statistical anomalies with that election but, to my knowledge, Nate Silver didn't start applying his statistical modeling to anything but sports until 2007.

icy_one: whyarefartslumpy: captain_heroic44: Obama won't even accept money from lobbiests for his campaign

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html

BTW, it's lobeeists.

How many lobeeists is Biden connected too?

Wrong link. When giving a personal donation to a candidate, it asks you to list your occupation. I don't know if there is a verification on this, but donations from lobbyists are rejected.

"To comply with Federal law, we must use best efforts to obtain, maintain, and submit the name, mailing address, occupation and name of employer of individuals whose contributions exceed $200 per calendar year."

As far as "taking money from employees" well that's just bullcrap. Unless the company is giving money to employees to give to a candidate, the statement is true. And if companies are giving money, then donors are violating campaign finance law by lying when they check the box.

CHECK THIS BOX TO CONFIRM THAT THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS ARE TRUE AND ACCURATE:
I am a United States citizen or a lawfully-admitted permanent resident.
I am at least 16 years old.
This contribution is not made from the general treasury funds of a corporation, labor organization or national bank.
This contribution is not made from the funds of a political action committee.
This contribution is not made from the treasury of an entity or person who is a federal contractor.
This contribution is not made from the funds of an individual registered as a federal lobbyist or a foreign agent, or an entity that is a federally registered lobbying firm or foreign agent.
The funds I am donating are not being provided to me by another person or entity for the purpose of making this contribution.

I mean, if I donate money to Obama, is the tech industry suddenly lobbying? Would Obama lose his claim to "I don't accept money from tech companies"? Of course not. Peddle your spin somewhere else.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/24/biden-rakes-in-lobbyist-c_n_120935.html ?page=3

You not liking it does not make it spin.

I'm center left, will vote for Obama, but am okay with a McCain presidency. Like a previous commenter noted, it would be phenomenally better than the last 8 years. Not to mention once in office, Palin will be relegated to the usual impotent VP status, McCain having used her only to get elected.

I would give President McCain 2 weeks before he totally pisses off the GOP base and makes Michelle Malkin's head explode.

Xenomech: Obama or McCain? More of the same...

/Enjoying your "democracy", America?

Considering we live in a Republic, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe it would be a better idea to refrain from criticizing systems you are ignorant of.

You don't see us bagging on the political system in your gra Lower SloboviaLando Lincoln: Oldiron_79: Didn't those same people showing Obama with 292 ev show Kerry with 317 back in '04?

Kerry was pretty significantly behind in the polls following the conventions and by the time November rolled around he pulled up to Bush in the polls. At least, that's what Chuck Todd said this morning, and if Chuck Todd said it, then it is correct. All hail Chuck Todd!

538.com had Kerry with 243 EV on this date in 2004.

But I was told by all the lefties on here that this election was over and Obama might as well be sworn in today.

Crown_of_Shoes: The Name: Wait a minute . . . could someone tell me how many of these polls I'm hearing so much about are done solely over land-line phones? Because if most or all of them are, they're missing almost everyone under the age of 30.

In which case, Obama wins, and The Name is happy.

These people never show up to vote.

Although proportionally the under-30 crowd is not a big part of the electorate, the polls could be significantly off if they're not representing them at all.

TimSTP: I'm center left, will vote for Obama, but am okay with a McCain presidency. Like a previous commenter noted, it would be phenomenally better than the last 8 years. Not to mention once in office, Palin will be relegated to the usual impotent VP status, McCain having used her only to get elected.

I would give President McCain 2 weeks before he totally pisses off the GOP base and makes Michelle Malkin's head explode.

What are your thoughts regarding McCain's health and the very distinct possibility of President Palin?

Lando Lincoln: ToxicInk: I think McCain and Palin make a good team. This team is not my idealized vision. I do not agree with them on everything.

What DO you agree with them on?

It was a well-crafted troll. I got suckered into feeding him too.

Hawnkee: That was a headline that Happy Noodle Boy would be proud of.

Say it with me and wiggle! PEAS! PEAS! PEAS! Look, David Hasselhoff can fly!

culebra: Considering we live in a Republic, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Petty semantic debate, avoiding the real issue at hand, and calling the side ignorant? On my Fark?

It's more likely than you think.

Also don't forget, we are a few weeks away from the debates, which WILL be game shifting. I think the election will be decided at the debates.

I dis-agree. People remember only what happened in the past week. Now if one of them makes a supremely stupid mistake at the last debate, it will get media play going into the election. Overall, I think the debates will be typical.

1. get asked a question
2. give an answer that in no way answers it.
3. next question.

Shaggy_C: culebra: Considering we live in a Republic, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Petty semantic debate, avoiding the real issue at hand, and calling the side ignorant? On my Fark?

It's more likely than you think.

Yeah, you can always tell which people learned about systems of government from playing Sid Meier's Civilization.

An entire thread in which nobody said 'Penis!' yet? For shame, Farkers. For shame.

whyarefartslumpy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/24/biden-rakes-in-lobbyist-c_n_120935.html ?page=3

You not liking it does not make it spin.

You linking to a website claiming Obama takes money from lobbyists does make it spin. You injected Biden into the argument. And your link? Does nothing to show that Obama is accepting lobbyist money for his campaign. The report shows what Biden (notice: B-I-D-E-N vs O-B-A-M-A) has collected since he was first elected Senator in 72, not what Biden has collected since being nominated as VP.

You lying to try to disprove someone's point is spin. Spin a little faster and we can get off foreign oil!

Pilikia: ToxicInk

You had me stroking my chin thoughtfully until this:

Side note - Palin looks like a younger Peggy Hill, from "King of the Hill." I am comforted by that comparison. Peggy Hill is very no non-sense. With five kids, Sarah Palin knows how the make a dollar stretch. Maybe she can help get us out of our huge deficit.

Peggy Hill is a cartoon character. Looks you have your own brand of teh crazy. City living country wannabe watchin' too much teevee crazy.

That made me snort. I was using sarcasm, but that's OK.

The Icelander: \Is there any way to buy a virtual phone number and forward it to a cell phone? Or two cell phones?

Haven't read down the thread to see if anyone else mentioned it, and I don't want to sound like a complete shill, but Grandcentral (new window) offers sort of what you're looking for. It's also free, though as it's owned by Google, who knows what sort of datamining they're using it for...

Arkham: Also don't forget, we are a few weeks away from the debates, which WILL be game shifting. I think the election will be decided at the debates.

I don't think the debates will be game shifting, at least how the candidates perform in the debates won't change the race.

How the debates are interpreted and spun by the media on the other hand...

Xenomech: culebra: Xenomech: Obama or McCain? More of the same...

/Enjoying your "democracy", America?

Considering we live in a Republic, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe it would be a better idea to refrain from criticizing systems you are ignorant of.

Fail.

Especially given this little gem of culebra's earlier:

Your vote doesn't matter. Only the votes of those in a handful of states matter.

scseth: I hate posting silly comics, but this one pretty much says it all regarding the 'fiscal conservatism' of the republican party

Those numbers are completely DWARFED by our entitlement debt. And guess where that entitlement debt comes from? Started with FDR, had a major jump with LBJ, bumped up with GWB (I'll be fair, it's not just the Dems), and will explode with BHO.

An entire thread in which nobody said 'Penis!'

Sarah Palin has a larger penis than Michelle Obama. But she isn't allowed to use it. Could lead to dancing.

icy_one: whyarefartslumpy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/24/biden-rakes-in-lobbyist-c_n_120935.html ?page=3

You not liking it does not make it spin.

You linking to a website claiming Obama takes money from lobbyists does make it spin. You injected Biden into the argument. And your link? Does nothing to show that Obama is accepting lobbyist money for his campaign. The report shows what Biden (notice: B-I-D-E-N vs O-B-A-M-A) has collected since he was first elected Senator in 72, not what Biden has collected since being nominated as VP.

You lying to try to disprove someone's point is spin. Spin a little faster and we can get off foreign oil!

Oh, gee; my mistake. I thought they were running together. I'm not lying about anything, nor am I spinning anything. Once again, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a lie.

dbubb:
You "progressives" are such pussies. A couple of tight polls and you've got to go nuclear. "Everyone who votes for McCain is an idiot or a racist", blah blah blah. Grow a set and man up.

Because "Obama's a Muslim and a terrorist" isn't in any way "nuclear."

Polling trends:

I have been polled by Rasmussen before.

Yes I still have a land line, and I almost never pick it up if the caller ID shows an unfamiliar or unknown name/number. But this time I was expecting another call so they got me.

The company doesn't identify themselves as Rasmussen. I can't remember the name they used but IIRC it was just three initials (letters). I Googled it afterwards and found some forum postings making the connection to Rasmussen. Then a couple days later, sure enough Rasmussen published a poll with answers to many of the same questions I had been asked.

The entire process was a robo-call. When I answered the phone there was a recorded voice identifying it as a research study, then went straight to the first question -- press 1 for very satisfied, 2 for satisfied, etc.

I felt like I could have very easily manipulated the results by intentionally giving misleading answers. I also felt there was less inhibition about doing so than there would have been talking to a real person.

I do wonder how effective these automated phone surveys are any more, with so many younger people without landline service never getting included.

jaerik: dbubb:
You "progressives" are such pussies. A couple of tight polls and you've got to go nuclear. "Everyone who votes for McCain is an idiot or a racist", blah blah blah. Grow a set and man up.

Because "Obama's a Muslim and a terrorist" isn't in any way "nuclear."

who of any note has said that?

whyarefartslumpy:
Oh, gee; my mistake. I thought they were running together. I'm not lying about anything, nor am I spinning anything. Once again, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a lie.

True or False: The Obama presidential campaign has accepted lobbyist money. Show your work.

RQB1018:
Karl Rove invented the electoral college? Who knew?

I'm... still a loss about how you could have mis-parsed the meaning of my sentence.

dbubb: jaerik: dbubb:
You "progressives" are such pussies. A couple of tight polls and you've got to go nuclear. "Everyone who votes for McCain is an idiot or a racist", blah blah blah. Grow a set and man up.

Because "Obama's a Muslim and a terrorist" isn't in any way "nuclear."

who of any note has said that?

Well, who of note has said that McCain voters are idiots or racists? How do you define "of note"?

dbubb: who of any note has said that?

"Who of any note" has said "Everyone who votes for McCain is an idiot or a racist" either?

Give me a quote, with citation. Link would be nice too. Note the bold, taken from you.

Shaggy_C: For months, Fark LiberalsTM have talked about how 'terrible' McCain's campaign has been, often using polls to prove their point - "Look! Obama has been leading nonstop since March!" And well, now...Take a look for yourselves: "Polls mean nothing!" "Young people don't have landlines!" etc, etc.

Pride cometh before the fall guys. Remember that.

Amen to that.

It's important to observe that Obama supporters imagining this would be an easy election is not the same as RNC shills claiming that Obama supporters expected an easy election, though. The latter is similar to the whole ridiculous "you guys think he's the Messiah!" argument.

Many of us were certainly willing to hope that Obama would be winning by a solid margin at this point, but the wise among us always anticipated a close race. We can't afford to take anything for granted, nor will we.

oldfarthenry: Back in MY day, phones had a wire attached to the back of them!

(I'm considering reporting this headline to the mods)

One of my Xmas gifts last year was a 1930's retro phone with cloth cord. I love it :)

What do I agree with McCain and Palin about? Small government - less feel good programs for those who can't find a job and are lazy - for one. You have to work to get paid. There is no dignity in handouts. I do not believe that income redistribution is the American way. I agree with taxing small businesses less. I also agree with our continued efforts in the the war. I want to have better laws regarding citizenship. Going about things to become an American, the legal way, should be rewarded.

scseth: I hate posting silly comics, but this one pretty much says it all regarding the 'fiscal conservatism' of the republican party

No, it doesn't.

Congress controls the purse.

ToxicInk: What do I agree with McCain and Palin about? Small government - less feel good programs for those who can't find a job and are lazy - for one. You have to work to get paid. There is no dignity in handouts. I do not believe that income redistribution is the American way. I agree with taxing small businesses less. I also agree with our continued efforts in the the war. I want to have better laws regarding citizenship. Going about things to become an American, the legal way, should be rewarded.

I've been saying for a while that I would vote Republican and stomach the socially conservative platform of their party if the fiscal conservative platform of their party still existed. But they're for big government too. The only thing that really separates the Republicans from the Democrats is that the Democrats want to give me things for my money, and the Republicans want to burn it in a desert.

Bring me a true fiscally conservative Republican and he will have my vote.

The only polling I really believe is RealClearPolitics - from what I understand they use other people's polling and combine it? Someone else probably knows more than me about their methods.



Note: I'm betting that some people will tell a pollster they'll vote for Obama but... when they're in their secret little voting booth? More than enough to change that 1.0 or that 0.3 into .7 for McCain.

And the .7 for McCain? That same polling effect will equal a 1.3 for McCain.

The poll that one guy keeps sharing above, he's got 147 listed as undecided! Yeah but undecided for CERTAIN but how are they polling?

It's a lot more neck and neck than some think!

Go McCain.

austinosphere: Go McCain.

Straight into that retirement home...

Believing a blatantly conservative site run by someone that has repeatedly been on Fox and Friends over reputable independent sites? That's "Fair and Balanced" (new window)