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2008-09-09 02:01:11 PM
jaerik: It doesn't matter. Remember Florida 2000, guys? The Democrats whined about the popular vote not counting in favor of the electoral college. Republicans told them to sit down and STFU because that's how our voting works.

This time, even if the polls show a popular vote dead-even 46-46, Obama is way up on the electoral college as of a month ago, by a map made by Karl-farking-Rove himself. Up by more total electoral votes than the number of toss-up states could even provide to McCain if he carried every one of them.

Unless several large blue states flip-flop and goes red, and then other toss-up states trend red too, the election is pretty much callable.


You know who else tried to call an election early?

blog.wired.com
 
2008-09-09 02:02:27 PM
Intrade has 'em at 52.2-47.4 right now.
 
2008-09-09 02:03:42 PM
Clearly going for the gay vote, Obama and Biden get ready to suck face:

img.coxnewsweb.com
 
2008-09-09 02:03:51 PM
culebra: Changey McMooselips

I lol'd.
 
2008-09-09 02:04:09 PM
evareste: Riche: Why do so many Americans want to vote against the best interests of themselves, their nation, and (ultimately) the entire world?

Classic words from a Democrat. I am right and anyone who believes differently is clinically insane or completely ignorant. Do you think your trivial beliefs are shared by everyone?

Democrats are pathetic and, frankly, anyone who believes that the US political system is actually working for its citizens is not paying attention.


The Republican party passes on costs to the middle class as a matter of habit.

Anyone voting for the GOP that is not rich is voting against their own interests. I don't care if they also vote GOP so that the homos don't get hitched. You are retarded if you vote for the GOP based on social issues while they exploit and shortchange you economically.

A great many people vote this way. They are called the GOP base.
 
2008-09-09 02:04:21 PM
PLEASE TRANSLATE THE HEADLINE INTO ENGLISH.

WUT?
 
2008-09-09 02:04:26 PM
key key KEY point to remember


National polls mean NOTHING, farking NOTHING.

If you want to know whats REALLY going on, look at state by state polls. According to pollster.com, Obama has 260 EV's based on states polls. All he needs is one tossup state to switch to him and he's the winner.
 
2008-09-09 02:04:46 PM
The Black Spy:

I'd take a gander at Palin's fur burger if I had the opportunity.


www.uncorrelated.com

Biden's seen it.
 
2008-09-09 02:05:04 PM
balthan: Metallica really needs to rehire that guy as producer.

i235.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-09 02:05:06 PM
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2008-09-09 02:05:51 PM
Riche: Is it a failure of our public educational system to teach critical thinking, logic, history, and the U.S. Constitution? Is it the prevalence of organized religion, where people are actively encouraged to believe fantastic claims with no evidence?

Yes.
 
2008-09-09 02:06:03 PM
images.wikia.com

Rasmussen, you say?
 
2008-09-09 02:06:13 PM
culebra: Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet, gentlemen.

what's that from? great line.

electoral-vote, pollster and http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ all paint a very positive picture.

i think the media's freakin' out a little too much about that cute as the dickens lil evangelical chica from the great northern blight; the scandals will come out, the dust will settle, it'll go back to the old guy and we'll be good.

vigilance, kill any "swift boats for truth" type slander STAT if crops up, and stay on message, stay on message, stay on message.

its ours to lose.
 
2008-09-09 02:06:25 PM
Obama needs to take McCain to the shed on his ties to Bush and Palin's misspeaks, gaffs, hypocracy and whatever else she farks up next.

Pull no punches. Do what it takes, forget the high road. The average slobbering cretin in this country only wants to know who they are suppose to hate. Give them McCain.
 
2008-09-09 02:06:32 PM
Arkham: key key KEY point to remember


National polls mean NOTHING, farking NOTHING.

If you want to know whats REALLY going on, look at state by state polls. According to pollster.com, Obama has 260 EV's based on states polls. All he needs is one tossup state to switch to him and he's the winner.


Also the polls are all based on land line phone calls which only old people have anymore.
 
2008-09-09 02:07:44 PM
captain_heroic44: Riche: It greatly disturbs me that this race is close at all. In a sane society, the McCain poll numbers would be down in the single digits somewhere with Bob Barr's.

There's no doubt that a big percentage of Obama supporters are clueless idiots, but-- shiat! ANYBODY voting for McCain is, to be brutally honest, either willfully ignorant or a wealthy narcissist.

Why are so many Americans willing to vote for 4 or 8 more years of disastrous leadership?

Is it a failure of our public educational system to teach critical thinking, logic, history, and the U.S. Constitution? Is it the prevalence of organized religion, where people are actively encouraged to believe fantastic claims with no evidence?

Why do so many Americans want to vote against the best interests of themselves, their nation, and (ultimately) the entire world?



/Sorry-- just had to rant.

They're not willing to vote for four more years of failed leadership. They're willing to tell pollsters they are after a week high in emotional content, but low in policy content. They'll behave differently in the voting booths this fall. Especially if progressives keep talking about:

1) Obama's plans to fix the economy, as opposed to McCain's plans to continue Bush's failed economic policies,

2) McCain's %91 pro-Bush voting record, and

3) McCain's ties to lobbiests.

Stay focused. Don't let the Republicans drive us off the topics that are important to voters in this election. People vote on the issues, not on who was a POW 40 years ago or who can skin a moose. The Republicans know that. That's why it's imperative to them not to have an issues-based political discussion.

134--the number of lobbiests tied to the McCain campaign.

91--the percentage of time McCain has voted with Bush over the past eight years.

John McCain is no maverick and no reformer. He's a clone of Bush in every way, from the policies he'll pursue, to his willingness to use ugly rhetoric that tears our country apart, to his reckless shoot from the hip decision making style. Eight years of this nonsense is enough. It's time for a change.


Paul Begala?
 
2008-09-09 02:08:20 PM
Raging Thespian: Riche: Is it a failure of our public educational system to teach critical thinking, logic, history, and the U.S. Constitution? Is it the prevalence of organized religion, where people are actively encouraged to believe fantastic claims with no evidence?

Yes.


That's pretty much what I assumed.

As a Canadian, I hope to dog that McCain gets elected. Our economy has been fantastic since 2000! Might not be so good for you guys though. Feh.
 
2008-09-09 02:08:36 PM
McCain. Change Depens.
 
2008-09-09 02:08:45 PM
Everyone I know has only their cell phone and no land line. Are these polls only conducted to home phones? I would suspect that most Farkers are on the do not call list and does this play into the polling?

/slash demands answers!!
 
2008-09-09 02:08:48 PM
Father_Jack: if this is as deep as people are really willing to look into the election, well, i suppose the old white guy isn't abad choice.

If by "old white guy" you're referring to Capt. Picard, I agree.
 
2008-09-09 02:08:51 PM
father jack - Pulp fiction. Great movie.

As far as the land line thing, they said that back in 2004 too, and we all kjnow how THAT ended up.
 
2008-09-09 02:09:30 PM
Korovyov: Intrade has 'em at 52.2-47.4 right now.

It seems to have stabilized, then.

Father_Jack: culebra: Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet, gentlemen.

what's that from? great line.

electoral-vote, pollster and http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ all paint a very positive picture.

i think the media's freakin' out a little too much about that cute as the dickens lil evangelical chica from the great northern blight; the scandals will come out, the dust will settle, it'll go back to the old guy and we'll be good.

vigilance, kill any "swift boats for truth" type slander STAT if crops up, and stay on message, stay on message, stay on message.

its ours to lose.


www.playboy.com
 
2008-09-09 02:09:34 PM
Gallup has McCain at 49% and Obama at 44%. That's been consistent for several days now.

Intrade has Obama at 52% and McCain at 48%.

Folks, I think that it's fair to say that, were the election held today, McCain would win. This Palin pick has really fired up Republicans and gained the ticket many independents. I imagine that 538's numbers will reflect an EC advantage for McCain in the next day or two.

The Obama should be very worried, and rightly so.

/Obama supporter
 
2008-09-09 02:11:20 PM
Not to worry: The polling company I work for is now doing cell-phone only surveys, in an effort to get the all those people who don't have a land-line. I believe we have worked out some way of compensating them for air time usage with the cell companies. We just did the second one ever as a test, and will be ramping them up shortly.

Script is something like this IIRC:
"Hello, I'm (name) calling from (company). I know we are calling you on your cell phone, but we are conducting a very brief survey of Americans on important news topics, we are not selling anything. Are you in a place where it's safe to talk?"

It then goes on with the usual who are you voting for, and why, as well as some current issues type stuff for about 15 minutes.
 
2008-09-09 02:11:23 PM
physt:

Also the polls are all based on land line phone calls which only old people have anymore.


Not true. Gallup calls cell phones.
 
2008-09-09 02:11:36 PM
absoluteparanoia: Laughably ironic. It's as if he really believes that McCain is change.

Exactly my point. Neither one is change. Its all the same. Both candidates and the entire election process is just a nice way to give people the illusion of change and control. The scary thing is most people are gullible enough to believe it.

How many elections are considered "the most important of our time"? How many are about "change"? Everyone....
 
2008-09-09 02:11:37 PM
Father_Jack: that's really true about the oldies favoring the oldy.

my mom (65) said yesterday "my friends dont like obama. they dont like him coz they think his name sounds like a terrorist, and his dad's from kenya."

if this is as deep as people are really willing to look into the election, well, i suppose the old white guy isn't abad choice.




You forget that these same people fought to keep blacks out of white schools and institutions. That sort of belief and resentment doesn't just go away. My grandmother who just passed was a sweet old thing but every once in a while she would say something completely racist. The way people think and vote is often different than how they act day to day.
 
2008-09-09 02:11:39 PM
Arkham: father jack - Pulp fiction. Great movie.

As far as the land line thing, they said that back in 2004 too, and we all kjnow how THAT ended up.


I think it is a mistake to compare 2008 to 2004 without giving 2006 serious attention.

The national mood concerning the GOP has not warmed since then and McCain has flat-out failed to distance himself from it, despite his tepid speech meant to do just that.

It's about rejecting Bush's legacy while retaining the base. He can't do it.
 
2008-09-09 02:11:44 PM
How the fark did the McCain camp pick up points after that shiat show of a convention??
 
2008-09-09 02:12:03 PM
culebra: evareste: Riche: Why do so many Americans want to vote against the best interests of themselves, their nation, and (ultimately) the entire world?

Classic words from a Democrat. I am right and anyone who believes differently is clinically insane or completely ignorant. Do you think your trivial beliefs are shared by everyone?

Democrats are pathetic and, frankly, anyone who believes that the US political system is actually working for its citizens is not paying attention.

The Republican party passes on costs to the middle class as a matter of habit.

Anyone voting for the GOP that is not rich is voting against their own interests. I don't care if they also vote GOP so that the homos don't get hitched. You are retarded if you vote for the GOP based on social issues while they exploit and shortchange you economically.

A great many people vote this way. They are called the GOP base.


Marry me?
 
2008-09-09 02:12:06 PM
Riche: It greatly disturbs me that this race is close at all. In a sane society, the McCain poll numbers would be down in the single digits somewhere with Bob Barr's.

There's no doubt that a big percentage of Obama supporters are clueless idiots, but-- shiat! ANYBODY voting for McCain is, to be brutally honest, either willfully ignorant or a wealthy narcissist.

Why are so many Americans willing to vote for 4 or 8 more years of disastrous leadership?

Is it a failure of our public educational system to teach critical thinking, logic, history, and the U.S. Constitution? Is it the prevalence of organized religion, where people are actively encouraged to believe fantastic claims with no evidence?

Why do so many Americans want to vote against the best interests of themselves, their nation, and (ultimately) the entire world?



/Sorry-- just had to rant.


Anybody voting to give one party control of the presidency, senate and house is just plain stupid...

In spite of how bad McCain may be... the thought of the resulting corruption, forced legislation without debate, etc.. that we will see in washington under an obama (not his fault) presidency will make the corruption under the previous republican monopoly look like chicken feed.

If the senate and house were 50/50 or under republican control, I would vote for Obama... if we want what is best for this country we will split the power between the two self serving parties.
 
2008-09-09 02:12:09 PM
Servo5678: Rasmussen, you say?

OMG, it's Trash Can Man from the future!
 
2008-09-09 02:12:10 PM
Riche: Why are so many Americans willing to vote for 4 or 8 more years of disastrous leadership?

Is it a failure of our public educational system to teach critical thinking, logic, history, and the U.S. Constitution? Is it the prevalence of organized religion, where people are actively encouraged to believe fantastic claims with no evidence?

Why do so many Americans want to vote against the best interests of themselves, their nation, and (ultimately) the entire world?


1. because many many MANY of us havent a clue.
2. yes.
3. because they believe the soundbytes the logical fallacies and bullshiat spouted by the Limbaughs and the Oreillys, and allow themselves to base voting decisions based on perception of cultural myth, due to 2.
 
2008-09-09 02:12:23 PM
The land line argument would work if only the youngsters showed up at the polls the way the wrinklies do.
 
2008-09-09 02:13:03 PM
Sing this song to yourself while you read the latest poll numbers:

Slip sliding away, slip sliding away
You know the nearer your destination, the more you slip sliding away
- Simon & Garfunkel
 
2008-09-09 02:13:23 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake: Gallup has McCain at 49% and Obama at 44%. That's been consistent for several days now.

Intrade has Obama at 52% and McCain at 48%.

Folks, I think that it's fair to say that, were the election held today, McCain would win. This Palin pick has really fired up Republicans and gained the ticket many independents. I imagine that 538's numbers will reflect an EC advantage for McCain in the next day or two.


farm4.static.flickr.com (new window)
 
2008-09-09 02:13:29 PM
I imagine that 538's numbers will reflect an EC advantage for McCain in the next day or two.

The Obama should be very worried, and rightly so.


Man, I want some of what you're smokin'

Have you even looked at the EC numbers?
 
2008-09-09 02:13:43 PM
ultraholland: How the fark did the McCain camp pick up points after that shiat show of a convention??

Two words: Sarah Palin.
 
2008-09-09 02:14:11 PM
Gonz: Lionel Mandrake: I would just like to say that I am seriously disappointed with the quality of greenlighted headlines recently. That is all.

I think the modmins are just trying to balance the trolling. The problem isn't just the quality of greened headlines, it's that there aren't too many good headlines to choose from.


In my eyes, it seems like the mods/admins are siding with the trolls from all the crap that has been occurring/gotten away with here for the past few months. And its not about lack of good headlines; its the fact that they are going for easy flamewars-potential headlines now, even ones that flat-out lie. I agree with Lionel Mandrake. The current trend really, really sucks.

Can we ease up on the damn polls threads please?
 
2008-09-09 02:14:24 PM
The important thing is that an anagram of McCain Palin is "Clam Can I Nip."
 
2008-09-09 02:14:28 PM
For months, Fark LiberalsTM have talked about how 'terrible' McCain's campaign has been, often using polls to prove their point - "Look! Obama has been leading nonstop since March!" And well, now...Take a look for yourselves: "Polls mean nothing!" "Young people don't have landlines!" etc, etc.

Pride cometh before the fall guys. Remember that.
 
2008-09-09 02:14:43 PM
evareste: Democrats are pathetic and, frankly, anyone who believes that the US political system is actually working for its citizens is not paying attention.


So you are going to vote for the Republicans who have spent us into oblivion and have sat idly by while Bush has grown the government more than anyone since LBJ?

Excellent logic, there.
 
2008-09-09 02:14:50 PM
Dread Pirate Slasher: Shilldog: Satan_Sunburn: Here's the most unbiased indicator on how the trends are going. (^)

OMG You're right! (new window)

OH SHI- (pops)


I like how every weekend there's a porn bump.

In fact, I think I'm feeling a porn bump now.


/gotta go
 
2008-09-09 02:14:57 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake: I imagine that 538's numbers will reflect an EC advantage for McCain in the next day or two.

In which states?

Sure the base is fired up, but they live in places that McCain would have won anyhow.

With Paul running in Montana, McCain is in trouble there, too.

I am of the opinion that McCain's bump has fizzled and will fade within two weeks, returning us to the previous equilibrium (ie., a 2-3 point Obama lead).

McCain leads are statistical anomalies in this election. The man is having trouble in Florida.
 
2008-09-09 02:15:04 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake: ultraholland: How the fark did the McCain camp pick up points after that shiat show of a convention??

Two words: Sarah Palin Fundamentalist Titties


FTFY
 
2008-09-09 02:15:46 PM
alywa: Satan_Sunburn: Here's the most unbiased indicator on how the trends are going. (^)

Obama / Palin (new window)

Biden / Palin (new window)

Palin / McCain (new window)

Palin / Nude (new window)


jeez america, quit thinking with your weiner. are we seriously close to ANOTHER republican debacle because that sorry excuse for a VP is attractive?

/seriously, stop it
 
2008-09-09 02:15:49 PM
Father_Jack: my mom (65) said yesterday "my friends dont like obama. they dont like him coz they think his name sounds like a terrorist, and his dad's from kenya."

You damn liberals are so out of touch with Main Street America™. You elitists should go back to your universities and let the Real Americans™ run the country.
 
2008-09-09 02:16:09 PM
The Decider: I imagine that 538's numbers will reflect an EC advantage for McCain in the next day or two.

The Obama should be very worried, and rightly so.

Man, I want some of what you're smokin'

Have you even looked at the EC numbers?


Look, I want Obama to win as much as the next person, but his EC lead has gone down by 15 at 538 since the Republican convention. With these latest Gallup numbers and others showing a McCain lead, I am certain that Obama's lead at 538 will drop even more - perhaps even put McCain ahead.
 
2008-09-09 02:17:02 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake: Gallup has McCain at 49% and Obama at 44%. That's been consistent for several days now.

Intrade has Obama at 52% and McCain at 48%.

Folks, I think that it's fair to say that, were the election held today, McCain would win. This Palin pick has really fired up Republicans and gained the ticket many independents. I imagine that 538's numbers will reflect an EC advantage for McCain in the next day or two.

The Obama should be very worried, and rightly so.

/Obama supporter


The appropriate response is activism. Canvass. Donate $25 to the Obama campaign. Call your friends, your grandparents, your mother, and remind them that:

1) Obama has a plan to fix the economy, while McCain's only plan is to continue Bush's failed economic policies.

2) John McCain voted with Bush %91 of the time through the past eight years.

3) The real reformer is Obama, not McCain. Obama won't even accept money from lobbiests for his campaign. The McCain campaign, by contrast, employs or has ties to 134 lobbiests. McCain is no maverick, and no reformers. He's just four more years of the same. Eight years of this nonsense is enough. It's time for a change.
 
2008-09-09 02:17:03 PM
Uncle Pim: So you are going to vote for the Republicans who have spent us into oblivion and have sat idly by while Bush has grown the government more than anyone since LBJ?

Excellent logic, there.


Nope, I guess you can't read. I think both sides are the same and nothing will change. They have both sold out. I think we need more viable political parties in the country if we are to survive as a nation.
 
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