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2008-09-08 04:28:22 PM
toonz: I did read it. I have a response above stating basically, in the grand scheme, it makes sense, BUT considering the actual reason he went into Iraq, he owes the families of the deceased on 9/11 their man.

"he" could not have gone to Iraq without congressional approval. And those 110 Democrats are now pretending to not be involved, hands in pockets, looking skyward and whistling as if they didn't vote for it. And you're letting - helping them get away with that lie.
 
2008-09-08 04:28:23 PM
schattenteufel: Sullasdog:

You clearly have no insight into how witnessing the violent deaths of thousands of one's fellow citizens can have a profound effect on someone's psyche.

You have no idea what it's like to experience a jet plane flying directly over your home and then crashing into part of the skyline three blocks away. You simply cannot imagine the shock, the sounds, the horror. My mind still have difficulty comprehending it.

You have no clue what it is like to live with the smell of burning corpses for months. Or seeing crushed vehicles with blood-spatter that came from the driver being crushed by debris. Or seeing those posters for the missing, every day, and watching the ink and hope slowly fade.

You don't know what it is like to see loved ones just losing their shiat in panic and fear, becoming unrecognizable to you and being unable to give them answer to as to what's going on, or why.

Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again. I'll always cringe at the sound of a low-flying plane. I'll never get those sounds out of my head. I'll never be able to watch the documentaries without crying.

So go ahead, cope however the hell you want to, but don't tell me that making such a tragedy into entertainment is somehow a good and right thing.

If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

Then see if any jury convicts me for what I'll do next.

//and learn how to spell, f-tard

I know. Poor Iraqis. Guys stop making fun of them.
 
2008-09-08 04:28:24 PM
mynewm5: MonkeyAngst: Sullasdog: Yeah. Funny. Assholes.

According to your profile, you've been a Farker since January. How do you not get how this works by now?

Fark is the place where anything can be funny. ANYTHING. This doesn't mean "anything except that horribly tragic thing that changed everyone's life and killed lots of people." It means ANYTHING. This is the way things are here. If there are things that offend you, you WILL encounter them on Fark, and no one will apologize for it. There are places where it's not acceptable to laugh at tragedy. The largest of these is called "real life." If you are offended by the concept, you might want to hang out in one of those places instead of Fark.

Now I get it.. Fark is Comedy Central for comedians who don't have the balls to say this stuff Live, in front of an audience. Thank you for clearing that up.


Welcome to the intar-webs Mr. Romero.
 
2008-09-08 04:28:30 PM
By then we should have all of the addresses of the IPs from those pussies out there who keep taking cheap shots from their basements.

Hay guize! They are getting our IP's... O noes!!!
 
2008-09-08 04:28:35 PM
scalpod: tweekster: JDAT: What did we do from say 1993 up until then?

We continuously meddled in other nation's affairs, typically less major things but when you already have people pissed at you, they are not going to give you a pass on the small stuff, we were more subtle during the 90's and avoided outright attacks but we didn't exactly attempt to make any friends. We were doing because we felt it was right for our self interest and that is fine. But let's not pretend that no one else will have a problem with our actions. Just remember, every time we back one side over the other, or sell arms to a group, the other side might not feel very happy about it.

You mean we may have created many of the monsters we end up fighting?

School of the Americas anyone? Anyone?


Oh we created a plenty. Put Saddam in power, trained many Taliban operatives to give Russia a hard time, etc. etc. At the time though, it probably was the right move.
 
2008-09-08 04:28:49 PM
Ah, I remember 9/11. Over at Berkeley High, they said anyone who was too upset to stay at school could take the day off. Hey, any excuse to leave is good enough for me. Sometimes there is an advantage to living in a over-sensitive pussy city.

Then again, there was nothing good on TV when I got home...
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...or for several weeks afterwards.
 
2008-09-08 04:29:30 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake:
You do realise that the official story - that Osama Bin Laden and a rag-tag bunch of radical Muslims living in caves in Afghanistan masterminded the attacks - is a conspiracy theory, right?

To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end."

"Conspiracy theory": a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators


an actual conspiracy is different than a theoretical conspiracy. in popular usage, a conspiracy theory is understood, operatively, as pejorative, baseless in fact.
 
2008-09-08 04:29:41 PM
TheNext: very hypocritical, just like both sides.....

Can't we all just agree that Saddam ...


Oh, you're just adorable.

Honey, look -- it's a baby troll! He's trying to combine 9/11 and Iraq into one post all by himself. It's so cute!
 
2008-09-08 04:29:50 PM
mynewm5: MonkeyAngst: Sullasdog: Yeah. Funny. Assholes.

According to your profile, you've been a Farker since January. How do you not get how this works by now?

Fark is the place where anything can be funny. ANYTHING. This doesn't mean "anything except that horribly tragic thing that changed everyone's life and killed lots of people." It means ANYTHING. This is the way things are here. If there are things that offend you, you WILL encounter them on Fark, and no one will apologize for it. There are places where it's not acceptable to laugh at tragedy. The largest of these is called "real life." If you are offended by the concept, you might want to hang out in one of those places instead of Fark.

Now I get it.. Fark is Comedy Central for comedians who don't have the balls to say this stuff Live, in front of an audience. Thank you for clearing that up.


I wonder what it is that makes you think that because it's said here, it won't be said 'on the streets'. I'll speak out anywhere at anytime about anything. And I still haven't 'had the crap beat out of me'. Do you whine only on fark comments but shut up 'on the streets'? Didn't think so. Run along now.
 
2008-09-08 04:30:00 PM

Hey, d
id you guys hear about the man who wasupset about the Twin Towers pizza?

He ordered 2 large pepperonis but instead got 2 planes!
 
2008-09-08 04:30:02 PM
mynewm5: Now I get it.. Fark is Comedy Central for comedians who don't have the balls to say this stuff Live, in front of an audience. Thank you for clearing that up.

Nope - there you go with your qualifiers again. What the person you are replying to said was "Fark is the place where anything can be funny. ANYTHING."

And he/she was right. Now go away.
 
2008-09-08 04:30:09 PM
It was the biggest overreaction in history. You know that girl who cries for half an hour over a paper cut? You know that guy who smashes in his windshield over a flat tire? Yeah, that's us.

4 buildings
3000 people

This was not worth destroying our global reputation and Constitution over.

1,000,000 Americans died during the civil war. What happened to our sense of perspective? Fox news and Karl Rove happened to it. THAT I will never forget. It was pure treason. It still is. Where are my farking WMD's? And where is our $2 trillion?
 
2008-09-08 04:30:20 PM
mister aj: lunkerslaire:
That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.
ooi, would you have the same attitude towards somebody who got their ass handed to them by a fundy in a bar, just because they espoused the PoV that abortion should be legal or isn't a sin?

In civilised countries, it's not acceptable to inflict violence on another just because they have a different opinion, though we sometimes tolerate this kind of thing in the playground. I'm not so sure that America is a civilised country, despite the alleged love of free speech.


You misspelled civilized twice.

And what civilized country were you referring to there my Smarty Pants?
 
2008-09-08 04:30:23 PM
outatime: And you know what? Even she isn't as "OMG YOU MUST BE RESPECTFUL!!1!" as some of the sniveling whiners in here.

OK, so I guess it will be better to just respond in kind.

Q: "What do you call 1,000 people who make jokes about 9/11 at the bottom of the ocean"
A: "A Good Start!"

Q: "How many people who make jokes about 9/11 does it take to change a light blub"
A: "None. Mom takes care of that"

A man walks into a bar. The bartender says "Hey, did you hear the one about the people who had to jump out of the WTC?" The man replied, "Yes, you mom told me while I was farking her in the ass with a pineapple, you ignorant douchebag!"

...forget it, it's not that fun.
 
2008-09-08 04:30:34 PM
It's weird to think that it was seven years ago already. I was in middle school at the time (lol puberty), now I'm in college. I still remember it as if it happened last week though. I wasn't even in the same state but I still find it hard to forget the weeks of watching nothing but Food Network because I didn't want to acknowledge that bad things like that ever happened.
 
2008-09-08 04:31:19 PM
jonnyh: Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again.

I understand, and I sincerely hope that you end up being wrong and that you do find some kind of healing.

I can hardly believe, although I'm no psychologist, that the process of healing will be helped by exposing yourself to a forum where making fun of tragedy is commonplace. If you see a Fark headline about something bad that happened, regardless of whether it happened years ago or is still ongoing, you can trust that inside you will find people actively mocking the event, its victims, those who exploit it, etc. If you're dealing with the emotional shock of such an event, why would you click into the thread? I'm afraid I don't understand that.
 
2008-09-08 04:32:58 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: outatime

A man walks into a bar. The bartender says "Hey, did you hear the one about the people who had to jump out of the WTC?" The man replied, "Yes, you mom told me while I was farking her in the ass with a pineapple, you ignorant douchebag!"

...forget it, it's not that fun.



Hey, that one was pretty good!
 
2008-09-08 04:33:08 PM
Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Why do people place so much emphasis and sentimentality upon recurring dates? Dates are just a function of the mechanics of our solar system and calendar.

And people are just masses of organic molecules so no big deal if they're dead?

It takes all the humanity out of things to always reduce things to logic and science.
 
2008-09-08 04:34:03 PM
MonkeyAngst: jonnyh: Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again.

I understand, and I sincerely hope that you end up being wrong and that you do find some kind of healing.

I can hardly believe, although I'm no psychologist, that the process of healing will be helped by exposing yourself to a forum where making fun of tragedy is commonplace. If you see a Fark headline about something bad that happened, regardless of whether it happened years ago or is still ongoing, you can trust that inside you will find people actively mocking the event, its victims, those who exploit it, etc. If you're dealing with the emotional shock of such an event, why would you click into the thread? I'm afraid I don't understand that.


A. Because it is fun
B. I can get worked up on a boring day.
C. I feel like defending those who suffered.
D. I can take aggression out to those who deserve a proper arse-kicking but are hiding behind a computer
E. I like the fun pictures even if they are offensive and easy to trace.
 
2008-09-08 04:34:05 PM
lunkerslaire: mister aj: lunkerslaire:
That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.
ooi, would you have the same attitude towards somebody who got their ass handed to them by a fundy in a bar, just because they espoused the PoV that abortion should be legal or isn't a sin?

In civilised countries, it's not acceptable to inflict violence on another just because they have a different opinion, though we sometimes tolerate this kind of thing in the playground. I'm not so sure that America is a civilised country, despite the alleged love of free speech.

You misspelled civilized twice.

My god, I made a spelling eror!

I notice you didn't answer my question about abortion - is it acceptable to inflict violence for any disagreement, or just when it's over an opinion that you disagree with?

I once broke a boy's nose when I was 12 because he said something mean to me (I think it was something about the area I lived, but I can't be sure). Last time I ever did something like that ... but that's because unlike the average American, I've grown up. Sticks and stone, etc.
 
2008-09-08 04:35:20 PM
Lurkerbunny:

Then again, there was nothing good on TV when I got home...

...or for several weeks afterwards.


Oh man. You know what? The Onion issue two weeks after 9/11 was the A#1 perfect example of well played, well used gallows humor. Like one of the headlines said "Nation longs to worry about stupid bullshiat again". It was a pressure release, a laugh when everyone had been so heartbroken and serious for so long. I still have that issue along with all my newspapers from 9/11.

/i love that Lifetime still has Non-stop Golden Girls scheduled
 
2008-09-08 04:35:33 PM
mynewm5: Now I get it.. Fark is Comedy Central for comedians who don't have the balls to say this stuff Live, in front of an audience. Thank you for clearing that up.

What I was saying is that real life is a place where it is inappropriate to say such things. Fark is a place where it is not. Just as church is a place where it is inappropriate to smoke a cigarette, and my living room is not. It helps to think of Fark as Drew's living room.
 
2008-09-08 04:36:21 PM
actually, it would be 5/11/1605; europeans do the day/month/year format.
 
2008-09-08 04:36:39 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: outatime: And you know what? Even she isn't as "OMG YOU MUST BE RESPECTFUL!!1!" as some of the sniveling whiners in here.

OK, so I guess it will be better to just respond in kind.

Q: "What do you call 1,000 people who make jokes about 9/11 at the bottom of the ocean"
A: "A Good Start!"

Q: "How many people who make jokes about 9/11 does it take to change a light blub"
A: "None. Mom takes care of that"

A man walks into a bar. The bartender says "Hey, did you hear the one about the people who had to jump out of the WTC?" The man replied, "Yes, you mom told me while I was farking her in the ass with a pineapple, you ignorant douchebag!"

...forget it, it's not that fun.


Well nothing's that fun when it's that corny. Up the ante untill you giggle.
 
2008-09-08 04:38:08 PM
djh0101010: toonz: I did read it. I have a response above stating basically, in the grand scheme, it makes sense, BUT considering the actual reason he went into Iraq, he owes the families of the deceased on 9/11 their man.

"he" could not have gone to Iraq without congressional approval. And those 110 Democrats are now pretending to not be involved, hands in pockets, looking skyward and whistling as if they didn't vote for it. And you're letting - helping them get away with that lie.


he lied to them too. but that's cool right?

Guess what, idiot. I'm not a democrat. so you're not picking on MY people with your straw-man talking point rehashed 27%er nonsense. I've voted for far more republicans than democrats in my life. I just don't recognize this party as such these days.

Hey, If you're cool with Bush, more power to you. the fact that you'll go full out on some random guy on fark over "lies" and not even acknowledge any of the bullshiat this administration has spewed tells me how farked up your priorities are. Of course I notice a lot of Bush lovers have yet to attend an actual military funeral or deal with the REAL costs of these actions. As long as you buy into the "let's establish a constant state of scared-cat-ism and call the libtards the "pussies" and feel smugly superior in the process, I can't expect you to understand much else than your talking points anyway.
 
2008-09-08 04:38:32 PM
mister aj: lunkerslaire: mister aj: lunkerslaire:
That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.
ooi, would you have the same attitude towards somebody who got their ass handed to them by a fundy in a bar, just because they espoused the PoV that abortion should be legal or isn't a sin?

In civilised countries, it's not acceptable to inflict violence on another just because they have a different opinion, though we sometimes tolerate this kind of thing in the playground. I'm not so sure that America is a civilised country, despite the alleged love of free speech.

You misspelled civilized twice.
My god, I made a spelling eror!

I notice you didn't answer my question about abortion - is it acceptable to inflict violence for any disagreement, or just when it's over an opinion that you disagree with?

I once broke a boy's nose when I was 12 because he said something mean to me (I think it was something about the area I lived, but I can't be sure). Last time I ever did something like that ... but that's because unlike the average American, I've grown up. Sticks and stone, etc.


I thought your comment about abortion was irrelevant. Last time I punched someone in the face was 10th grade, and I hope not to have to do it again.

I don't understand where you are getting your averages from? Do you have a link to the stats?

I like this debate, it's fun - keep em coming!
 
2008-09-08 04:39:39 PM
I'll never forget. I was reading a delightful book to a group of schoolchildren when I heard the news.djh0101010: Now, about the whole blame Bush for the Iraq war thing. Do you blame the 110 Democrats who also voted for the "Authorization to use force in Iraq"? If not, why not? Couldn't have happened without 'em, you see.

I blame them all. He was more culpable because he was the one leading the charge to war, but fark the people who didn't stand up to him. If we lived in a world where competence was required of our leaders, everyone involved in the decision to invade Iraq would have retired in disgrace.
 
2008-09-08 04:39:51 PM
unfarkwithable: actually, it would be 5/11/1605; europeans do the day/month/year format.

i283.photobucket.com
And now I know.
 
2008-09-08 04:40:12 PM
mister aj

I once broke a boy's nose when I was 12 because he said something mean to me (I think it was something about the area I lived, but I can't be sure). Last time I ever did something like that ... but that's because unlike the average American, I've grown up. Sticks and stone, etc.

I make it a point to quote posters that I generally don't agree with when I do actually agree with them. This is one of those times.

It's not right to wish harm or cause harm to Fred Phelps and his crew. It's not right to wish harm or cause it upon gay bashers, abortion clinic picketers, Scientologists, right-wing loonies, left-wing loonies, Objectivists, Marxists, Che-wannabes, whatever.

Do unto others, etc etc.
 
2008-09-08 04:40:33 PM
darwinsmonkey: Dude, that's a little scary. Do you work for DHS?

No, hes that fat guy with the skin condition and backpack that you see hanging around the pewter figures at the Hallmark store.

Be careful though...he's got NUN CHUCKS in that backpack!
 
2008-09-08 04:40:49 PM
lunkerslaire: mister aj: lunkerslaire: mister aj: lunkerslaire:
That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.
ooi, would you have the same attitude towards somebody who got their ass handed to them by a fundy in a bar, just because they espoused the PoV that abortion should be legal or isn't a sin?

In civilised countries, it's not acceptable to inflict violence on another just because they have a different opinion, though we sometimes tolerate this kind of thing in the playground. I'm not so sure that America is a civilised country, despite the alleged love of free speech.

You misspelled civilized twice.
My god, I made a spelling eror!

I notice you didn't answer my question about abortion - is it acceptable to inflict violence for any disagreement, or just when it's over an opinion that you disagree with?

I once broke a boy's nose when I was 12 because he said something mean to me (I think it was something about the area I lived, but I can't be sure). Last time I ever did something like that ... but that's because unlike the average American, I've grown up. Sticks and stone, etc.

I thought your comment about abortion was irrelevant. Last time I punched someone in the face was 10th grade, and I hope not to have to do it again.

Oh right, I thought you were one of the violence-advocates on here. Did I make a mistake?

I like this debate, it's fun - keep em coming!
That's what your mom said.

When I was having sexual intercourse with her the other night.
 
2008-09-08 04:40:51 PM
i59.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-08 04:41:24 PM
we_hates: I'll never forget. I was reading a delightful book to a group of schoolchildren when I heard the news.djh0101010: Now, about the whole blame Bush for the Iraq war thing. Do you blame the 110 Democrats who also voted for the "Authorization to use force in Iraq"? If not, why not? Couldn't have happened without 'em, you see.

I blame them all. He was more culpable because he was the one leading the charge to war, but fark the people who didn't stand up to him. If we lived in a world where competence was required of our leaders, everyone involved in the decision to invade Iraq would have retired in disgrace.


word. or this, or whatever the kids are saying these days.
 
2008-09-08 04:42:10 PM
Tsunami Ditka: JDAT: I was surprised though by the whole "we had it coming" comment Obama made the other day. Seemed a little over the top to me.

/but that's just me.

I didn't see that. Link?


Here, I dug it up for you. Link (town hall speech)
 
2008-09-08 04:43:11 PM
JDAT

You magnificent bastard. God bless Flashblock.
 
2008-09-08 04:43:19 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: ...forget it, it's not that fun.

Try being funny next time, see how that goes.
 
2008-09-08 04:43:19 PM
simian04: Well nothing's that fun when it's that corny. Up the ante untill you giggle.

The point... you have missed it.
 
2008-09-08 04:43:56 PM
outatime: Try being funny next time, see how that goes.

You have also missed it.
 
2008-09-08 04:44:06 PM
fatgail: So yes, i get what you mean, and I wanted to clarify that it wasn't what I was talking about.

Let me just start by restating that I don't make these kinds of jokes, at least not to people who I don't know. I do care about what other people feel, and I don't like to offend or make anyone feel bad. (So what the Fark am I doing here?)

I agree that to claim "grieving" is pretty weak. But the point that I was trying to make is that I don't think any of these so called "callous" people who make the jokes (or double them when they are challenged) even know why they really do it. I think it is as much a knee-jerk reaction as praying is to some people. I don't say this as a way to excuse, so much as just a way to understand. You can still call them on it...be my guest. I agree with you. But I also recognize the need to make tasteless jokes as a defense mechanism. It's just my take on it, and I wanted to throw it out there. Not trying to judge anyone or claim that I am above such things. We're all just meat puppets trying to cope with all the crap life throws at us, usually well after it has knocked us on our ass. I think, on the whole, we do pretty well most of the time...when we're not blowing shiat up.
 
2008-09-08 04:44:06 PM
MonkeyAngst: mynewm5: Now I get it.. Fark is Comedy Central for comedians who don't have the balls to say this stuff Live, in front of an audience. Thank you for clearing that up.

What I was saying is that real life is a place where it is inappropriate to say such things. Fark is a place where it is not. Just as church is a place where it is inappropriate to smoke a cigarette, and my living room is not. It helps to think of Fark as Drew's living room.


Damn you. Now I have to go to church to smoke a cigarette.
 
2008-09-08 04:44:16 PM
mister aj: lunkerslaire: mister aj: lunkerslaire: mister aj: lunkerslaire:
That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.
ooi, would you have the same attitude towards somebody who got their ass handed to them by a fundy in a bar, just because they espoused the PoV that abortion should be legal or isn't a sin?

In civilised countries, it's not acceptable to inflict violence on another just because they have a different opinion, though we sometimes tolerate this kind of thing in the playground. I'm not so sure that America is a civilised country, despite the alleged love of free speech.

You misspelled civilized twice.
My god, I made a spelling eror!

I notice you didn't answer my question about abortion - is it acceptable to inflict violence for any disagreement, or just when it's over an opinion that you disagree with?

I once broke a boy's nose when I was 12 because he said something mean to me (I think it was something about the area I lived, but I can't be sure). Last time I ever did something like that ... but that's because unlike the average American, I've grown up. Sticks and stone, etc.

I thought your comment about abortion was irrelevant. Last time I punched someone in the face was 10th grade, and I hope not to have to do it again.
Oh right, I thought you were one of the violence-advocates on here. Did I make a mistake?

I like this debate, it's fun - keep em coming!
That's what your mom said.

When I was having sexual intercourse with her the other night.


I am glad I pissed you off today, however I do have to run, but I will be back on 9/11 to stir up some more goodness. PS nice Mom comment, however she would kick your ass for saying that.
 
2008-09-08 04:44:38 PM
The Dynamite Monkey: simian04: Well nothing's that fun when it's that corny. Up the ante untill you giggle.

The point... you have missed it.


Nah, he saw what you were trying to do. You just failed to do it well.
 
2008-09-08 04:44:45 PM
You must be really bored.
 
2008-09-08 04:45:38 PM
Samsaran: Many of us, not then born, remember Pearl Harbor. I will remember 9/11 for the rest of my life.

That day was a wake up call to the West that some elements within Islam, not all of Islam by any means, but a large proportion tiny band of wackos, had declared war on our culture. This war continues. It is not something "made up" by the Republicans, it is not just a few wild eyed crazies in the caves of Afghanistan. No, the Islamic world resents us lives all around us and contributes to the world in many meaningful ways. They still recall the days of their glory and work to create many more. They still recall the time, centuries ago, when their armies marched in triumph across the face of the Mediterranean world, Byzantium, India, right up to the doors of Vienna. They recall when their physicians, philosophers, scientists, poets and artists were far beyond anything that barbaric Europe could muster. These days are long gone now. They chafe under the knowledge that even with their oil wealth, their culture has stagnated and fallen far behind the West. They, like childrencrusty old Conservatives, blame us moral declines in society for their failure.

No amount of war, no amount of terror, no amount of savagery will restore their former glory. They must, if they are to survive, cast aside their 14th century shackles and bring Islam and the Islamic world into the community of nations, something they will continue to do every day around the world.


EVERY group has a band of wackos who are intent on destroying society to fit their goals. The VAST majority of Muslims (including every one that I know personally) feel terrible about this, and are trying to show the world that Islam IS a peaceful religion.

/And the word of the day, children, seems to be bigotry.
//Sorry for feeding the trolls.
///And, if you want to see what happens when conservatism wins, just look in the Middle East. This is what happens when conservative traditions triumph over reason and tolerance.
 
2008-09-08 04:45:56 PM
The other thing I remember is how friends from overseas emailed me (living in the Midwest) with condolences in the week after the attack.

Now most of those friends refuse to come to America.

/ok...unleashing the "we dont want them here anyway"
//and unleashing French/Euro bashing
///thing is it was actually kind of nice of them to do that...and now we look like chumps
 
2008-09-08 04:46:06 PM
mister aj: Samsaran: It will never happen. These people are cowards and would never say any such thing in public. It is interesting to wonder what would happen if one of these guys screwed up and started spouting some of this in a crowed tavern in a working class part of New York.
It's not really fair to call it cowardice when it's simply deciding not to go out and deliberately shout out opinions that would get you beaten up. This decision has no bearing on the validity of those opinions.

For example, I'd be very careful giving my opinions on gay rights anywhere in San Fransisco, or talking about my stance on abortion in any red state. It's simple common sense - right or wrong, there's no point inflaming violent thugs. Yes, if you beat somebody up because they have a Wrong Opinion, you are indeed a violent thug. And no, I don't think NY-ers, queers or pro-life people are generally violent thugs, but it makes sense to assume that at least one person in a public crowd has that potential.

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While I don't often agree with the guy you're responding too, I have to say that if you're only comfortable expressing your true beliefs or feelings when you can hide behind a cloak of anonymity that is the definition of what a "biatch" is and it IS cowardice.
 
2008-09-08 04:46:13 PM
toonz: So no, I didn't read it the way I wanted to see it. I read it the way it has turned out.

Bin Laden, so what? I got Saddam for daddy!


Yes, when you say that press conference was where he said he didn't care about Laden you are completely interpreting it the way you want. If you'd like to outline the specifics of the effort placed so far in finding Laden, and where those efforts should have been increased so as to achieve the goal of capturing him, I'd be glad to listen. Otherwise, I don't think you know how to track down Laden and I think you are just Bush hating.

It's a free country and you can do that, but if you are saying that Bin Laden was locatable by now and that we stopped trying, have something to back that up instead of a gut feeling.
 
2008-09-08 04:47:01 PM
lunkerslaire: I am glad I pissed you off today, however I do have to run, but I will be back on 9/11 to stir up some more goodness.
I hope to be right there with you, though maybe we shouldn't be wasting our energy on each other. It's not that productive.
PS nice Mom comment, however she would kick your ass for saying that.
Tell her I said "Hi".
 
2008-09-08 04:47:41 PM
Rye_: Nah, he saw what you were trying to do. You just failed to do it well.

Well you got it, so it couldn't have been that obtuse.
 
2008-09-08 04:48:03 PM
Bartleby the Scrivener: I_Love_Cheesecake:
You do realise that the official story - that Osama Bin Laden and a rag-tag bunch of radical Muslims living in caves in Afghanistan masterminded the attacks - is a conspiracy theory, right?

To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end."

"Conspiracy theory": a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators

an actual conspiracy is different than a theoretical conspiracy. in popular usage, a conspiracy theory is understood, operatively, as pejorative, baseless in fact.


Precisely.

If the official story is based in fact, then why is Osama Bin Laden not wanted by the FBI for it? Shouldn't it be a slam dunk, what with all those "facts" pointing to him?
 
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