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2008-09-08 04:13:06 PM
jonnyh: schattenteufel: Sullasdog: Yeah. Funny. Assholes.


oh stop your whining.

I'm so damn tired of people acting all self-righteous & consedscending because of their "I take 9/11 more serously than you" bullcrap. Get over yourself & keep your misery to yourself. Different people cope in different ways. We can't all go 'round never talking about it & wearing black armbands & never having sex or enjoying ice cream again because a few thousand people died seven years ago.

You clearly have no insight into how witnessing the violent deaths of thousands of one's fellow citizens can have a profound effect on someone's psyche.

You have no idea what it's like to experience a jet plane flying directly over your home and then crashing into part of the skyline three blocks away. You simply cannot imagine the shock, the sounds, the horror. My mind still have difficulty comprehending it.

You have no clue what it is like to live with the smell of burning corpses for months. Or seeing crushed vehicles with blood-spatter that came from the driver being crushed by debris. Or seeing those posters for the missing, every day, and watching the ink and hope slowly fade.

You don't know what it is like to see loved ones just losing their shiat in panic and fear, becoming unrecognizable to you and being unable to give them answer to as to what's going on, or why.

Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again. I'll always cringe at the sound of a low-flying plane. I'll never get those sounds out of my head. I'll never be able to watch the documentaries without crying.

So go ahead, cope however the hell you want to, but don't tell me that making such a tragedy into entertainment is somehow a good and right thing.

If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

Then see if any jury convicts me for what I'll do next.

//and learn how to spell, f-tard


I'm honestly surprised that you could smell burning corpses over the normal NY smell.
 
2008-09-08 04:13:18 PM
MmmVomit: I've got a blind date on September, 11. w00t.

Don't let her walk into the side of a building.

/Boo-ya!
 
2008-09-08 04:13:18 PM
charkocu: Allow me to elaborate. Only an asshole like yourself would defend other assholes exploiting their suffering and death for their satirical gain. You defend them because you have likely made or continue to take this event in jest. You are so saddened and so traumatized by what happened 7 years ago that now you feel compelled to laugh about it and show everyone how silly the whole ordeal was. Right. I guess I'm done with you.

Geeze...what an asshole!
 
2008-09-08 04:13:18 PM
Theaetetus:

Tell me, who did you lose on 9/11? Or you, charkocu?


And here's the proof that you don't read posts. I didn't lose anyone personally, which is why I said the jokes don't personally offend me, nor do I grieve on 9/11, or cry about it. I just take the day to remember and think of the others who suffered, but otherwise it doesn't mean much to me deep down on a 'grief' level. As a human being however, I'm able to step outside of myself and see how others may be hurting and what I do is I TRY NOT TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
 
2008-09-08 04:13:26 PM
I live in the Mid-West...and got an email from a friend in France who was just checking to make sure I was ok. I gave him a quick geography lesson and said that I was very safe and had nothing to worry about.

Like most Americans, I have no personal connection to what happened on 9/11. However, I was like most idiots and sat there until my girlfriend said that I should probably stop watching TV after 24 hours.

The odd thing is that because we all watched it on tv there is that sort of shared experience I think. But I really tend to think that for most people (again, not New Yorkers) its like watching Private Ryan too many times and you start getting the two thousand yard stare...

The really odd thing is that this violence scene impacted everyone, yet we dont have the stomach to watch the violence that we have collectively unleashed.
 
2008-09-08 04:13:27 PM
Jamespoon: I can't forget. Not as long as people keep exploiting it.
 
2008-09-08 04:14:53 PM
fatgail: I didn't lose anyone personally,

Right, and then you come in here and tell those of us who did how we should grieve.
Welcome to Ignoreville. Population: you.
 
2008-09-08 04:15:21 PM
I_Love_Cheesecake:
You do realise that the official story - that Osama Bin Laden and a rag-tag bunch of radical Muslims living in caves in Afghanistan masterminded the attacks - is a conspiracy theory, right?


Hey, good point. Maybe nobody's got it right.

To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end."

"Conspiracy theory": a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators


So, is that explanation meant to make me more open to one version of a story with no evidence than another? As I said, I don't know what happened what happened to that plane and neither do you.

In spite of your lack of evidence, what makes you believe that it was shot down? Is the "official story" too boring for you?
 
2008-09-08 04:15:45 PM
jonnyh: If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

It will never happen. These people are cowards and would never say any such thing in public. It is interesting to wonder what would happen if one of these guys screwed up and started spouting some of this in a crowed tavern in a working class part of New York.

I would pay to see it ... I really would.
 
2008-09-08 04:16:21 PM
djh0101010: toonz: but to be fair, the actual quote is here:
white house press release (new window)

When responding to a question of Bin laden's whereabouts he basically says "who cares?" I think his reasoning surrounding that in the quote is plausible, in terms of the big picture, but it IS a reversal on his stance to "GET" those responsible.

So why do people like you use the fake quote? It's so obviously disproven, and you yourself have the actual transcript, so why bother? It just makes anything you say, at all, immediately suspect at best. Could it be because it's what you WISH he had said, and you're hoping nobody calls you on your lies? Because that's what it looks like from here.

Oh, and 'That is what he effectively said, so I am gonna use quotes even though he didn't say it'? No. Just farking no. Someone's biased misinterpretation of the point isn't a quote, it's a biased paraphrase.

If you're gonna disagree with the guy at least disagree with something he actually said, not a lie that someone wrote trying to twist what he did say.


Bush apologists getting their panties in a knot about how "true" something is HAS to be the HEIGHT of irony.

And it's not a lie.
He DID say he would get Bin Laden, then he said -half a year later- it didn't matter, then started gearing up for war with Iraq using MONUMENTAL LIES to do it so he could get revenge for an attempted assassination on his daddy.

He got his man.

So, where's the man that 3000 families want for ACTUALLY KILLING their loved ones?
 
2008-09-08 04:16:45 PM
Came for the Airplane quotes... feeling somewhat satisfied

lazykracker.com

Make them blink in sequence!
 
2008-09-08 04:16:50 PM
JDAT: What did we do from say 1993 up until then?

We continuously meddled in other nation's affairs, typically less major things but when you already have people pissed at you, they are not going to give you a pass on the small stuff, we were more subtle during the 90's and avoided outright attacks but we didn't exactly attempt to make any friends. We were doing because we felt it was right for our self interest and that is fine. But let's not pretend that no one else will have a problem with our actions. Just remember, every time we back one side over the other, or sell arms to a group, the other side might not feel very happy about it.
 
2008-09-08 04:17:01 PM
toonz: When responding to a question of Bin laden's whereabouts he basically says "who cares?" I think his reasoning surrounding that in the quote is plausible, in terms of the big picture, but it IS a reversal on his stance to "GET" those responsible.

Did you even read that press conference release? He doesn't basically say "who cares?". He says Laden is on the run, out of a position of power, and not the one and only focus of their effort. I don't like the Bush, but you are interpreting this how you want.
 
2008-09-08 04:17:03 PM
Theaetetus: fatgail: I didn't lose anyone personally,

Right, and then you come in here and tell those of us who did how we should grieve.
Welcome to Ignoreville. Population: you.


Who did you lose Theaetetus, and where were you on 9/11
 
2008-09-08 04:17:05 PM
Just curious... are we going to do this again in three days. I'm tired of reading, just want to know if we can continue then.
Thanks!
 
2008-09-08 04:17:26 PM
simian04: MmmVomit: I've got a blind date on September, 11. w00t.

Don't let her walk into the side of a building.

/Boo-ya!



I know a blind prostitute. It's a tough gig. Ya gotta hand it to her...
 
2008-09-08 04:17:29 PM
jonnyh: schattenteufel: Sullasdog: Yeah. Funny. Assholes.


oh stop your whining.

I'm so damn tired of people acting all self-righteous & consedscending because of their "I take 9/11 more serously than you" bullcrap. Get over yourself & keep your misery to yourself. Different people cope in different ways. We can't all go 'round never talking about it & wearing black armbands & never having sex or enjoying ice cream again because a few thousand people died seven years ago.

You clearly have no insight into how witnessing the violent deaths of thousands of one's fellow citizens can have a profound effect on someone's psyche.

You have no idea what it's like to experience a jet plane flying directly over your home and then crashing into part of the skyline three blocks away. You simply cannot imagine the shock, the sounds, the horror. My mind still have difficulty comprehending it.

You have no clue what it is like to live with the smell of burning corpses for months. Or seeing crushed vehicles with blood-spatter that came from the driver being crushed by debris. Or seeing those posters for the missing, every day, and watching the ink and hope slowly fade.

You don't know what it is like to see loved ones just losing their shiat in panic and fear, becoming unrecognizable to you and being unable to give them answer to as to what's going on, or why.

Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again. I'll always cringe at the sound of a low-flying plane. I'll never get those sounds out of my head. I'll never be able to watch the documentaries without crying.

So go ahead, cope however the hell you want to, but don't tell me that making such a tragedy into entertainment is somehow a good and right thing.

If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

Then see if any jury convicts me for what I'll do next.

//and learn how to spell, f-tard


WELL SAID!
both sides of this argument were comfy in bed or walking to school or at work or saw it on T.V.
tragedy.
ill see you in Manhattan this week!! for the memorial.
 
2008-09-08 04:17:49 PM
i186.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-08 04:18:12 PM
Nutsac_Jim

So if I walk up to you and stab you in the stomach with a knife, you won't be mad at all? After all, you might have gotten into an auto accident this afternoon anyway, and had a piece of glass cut your stomach instead.

Of course not. One's a deliberate attack, one's an accident, though I think the majority of car "accidents" aren't.

My point is that death is the same outcome in either situation.

It seems to me we overreact to 9/11, while we simultaneously underreact to the fact that the roads are literally filled with idiots who endanger us on such a constant basis that at times it nearly seems routine.

I think both reactions are wrong. Ease up on the 9/11 hype. Anybody can get sucker punched...once. There won't be another domestic hijacking in the USA, well, ever.

Get more serious with people who drive recklessly, including the manufacture and sale of vehicles specifically designed for the purpose.

/Oh wait...that would infringe "our freedoms"....
 
2008-09-08 04:18:48 PM
Tsunami Ditka: JDAT: I was surprised though by the whole "we had it coming" comment Obama made the other day. Seemed a little over the top to me.

/but that's just me.

I didn't see that. Link?


Look up the townhall speech in Aurora Ohio. Google it.
 
2008-09-08 04:19:29 PM
darwinsmonkey: Just curious... are we going to do this again in three days. I'm tired of reading, just want to know if we can continue then.
Thanks!


By then we should have all of the addresses of the IPs from those pussies out there who keep taking cheap shots from their basements.
 
2008-09-08 04:20:14 PM
freakay: The odd thing is that because we all watched it on tv there is that sort of shared experience I think. But I really tend to think that for most people (again, not New Yorkers) its like watching Private Ryan too many times and you start getting the two thousand yard stare...

The really odd thing is that this violence scene impacted everyone, yet we don't have the stomach to watch the violence that we have collectively unleashed.


Less than 5 minutes after the first impact, I was standing on Vescey Steeet almost directly underneath it, looking up at it like it was on TV.

With not a thought about my own safety, or the fact that in about an hour that building was gonna fall and the spot I was standing in would be obliterated.

It was unquestionably the single stupidest thing I have ever done, and I believe it is because we have seen so much on TV. It didn't really sink in that it was a real disaster with real danger...

...until impact #2, which woke me up and I got the f*** out of there.
 
2008-09-08 04:20:42 PM
Samsaran: It will never happen. These people are cowards and would never say any such thing in public. It is interesting to wonder what would happen if one of these guys screwed up and started spouting some of this in a crowed tavern in a working class part of New York.
It's not really fair to call it cowardice when it's simply deciding not to go out and deliberately shout out opinions that would get you beaten up. This decision has no bearing on the validity of those opinions.

For example, I'd be very careful giving my opinions on gay rights anywhere in San Fransisco, or talking about my stance on abortion in any red state. It's simple common sense - right or wrong, there's no point inflaming violent thugs. Yes, if you beat somebody up because they have a Wrong Opinion, you are indeed a violent thug. And no, I don't think NY-ers, queers or pro-life people are generally violent thugs, but it makes sense to assume that at least one person in a public crowd has that potential.
 
2008-09-08 04:20:45 PM
freakay:
The really odd thing is that this violence scene impacted everyone, yet we dont have the stomach to watch the violence that we have collectively unleashed.


"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths," Barbara Bush said on ABC's "Good Morning America" on March 18, 2003. "Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" (new window)
 
2008-09-08 04:20:57 PM
fatgail: Theaetetus:

Remember, everyone: there is only one proper way to grieve, no one is allowed to grieve in their own way. You are no longer allowed to cry at weddings or tell funny stories at funerals. All expressions of emotion must be sanctioned by the above three posters, because everyone is exactly the same.


Oh jesus. I can't wait to hear more about how you've been "greiving" all these years and if you didn't make hilarious jokes about people jumping off buildings or burning to a crisp you'd simply be reduced to a puddle of weeping mush...because tactless jokes that play to the lowest common denominator are the only way you can be convinced to carry on from day to day.

I'm so farking tired of the 'gallows humor' defense on here. It's like a loophole in a tax return. "I can make jokes about anything, any time and if anyone is offended by it, rather than pull back, I'll claim it a "grieving mechanism".


I get what you are saying, but to play devil's advocate here, I think gallows humor goes beyond the specific incident and addresses more of the fear of arbitrary death or the chaos of life. Let's face it, the idea that you might go to work one morning to wind up jumping to your death is pretty horrific. It makes the universe seem like a pretty cruel place. Think about it? No thanks. I'd rather make a tasteless joke. Well, not I, actually...but you get what I'm saying. Some people believe in mythology to avoid addressing the unknown. Other people talk loudly to drown out the horrible whispers from the black void. They are both ways of whistling in the dark.

/I'm sorry for those who lost, and those who died in terror
//I still laughed at the "weeeeeeeeeeee!" comment because it was so ridiculously out-of-place
///good thing I don't believe in hell
 
2008-09-08 04:20:58 PM
toonz: If you're gonna disagree with the guy at least disagree with something he actually said, not a lie that someone wrote trying to twist what he did say.

Bush apologists getting their panties in a knot about how "true" something is HAS to be the HEIGHT of irony.

And it's not a lie.
He DID say he would get Bin Laden, then he said -half a year later- it didn't matter, then started gearing up for war with Iraq using MONUMENTAL LIES to do it so he could get revenge for an attempted assassination on his daddy.


Dude. You claimed it's a quote. It's not a farking quote. You have since admitted you know the actual transcript. You are therefore an admitted liar about the quote.

Why do you lie about the quote?

Now, about the whole blame Bush for the Iraq war thing. Do you blame the 110 Democrats who also voted for the "Authorization to use force in Iraq"? If not, why not? Couldn't have happened without 'em, you see. They told him to start the war, he did. If they hadn't, he could not have legally done so. It's not complicated. Yet your type blame him alone for going to war.

Let's see, now you're going to toss out the "last resort" lie, or the "there was conditional language in that resolution" lie. How about you not insult everyone's intelligence and skip that part? Because we both know how to use tah intarwebs to show the language of the resolution didn't include "last resort" or "if WMDs are found", don't we.

Why do you feel you have to lie to make Bush look bad? Could it be that the only way you can back up your flawed logic, is with lies? Doesn't that say an awful lot about your flawed point of view?
 
2008-09-08 04:21:35 PM
i86.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-08 04:21:48 PM
Theaetetus: fatgail: I didn't lose anyone personally,

Right, and then you come in here and tell those of us who did how we should grieve.
Welcome to Ignoreville. Population: you.


Nope, like i've already said, "mr I don't read anything but my own posts", I don't give a rats ass how you grieve. i want you to prove that you're actually greiving..... Oh heck, don't make me type it all out again. I'll JUST COPY AND PASTE MY PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU DIDN'T READ:

Oh baby, I hope someday you learn how to read for understanding. I dont give a rat's ass how you grieve...the thing I hate is when you're not grieving at all, but use "grieving" as an excuse to make jokes about someone burning to death in a collapsing building. It's...well, it's lying. I'm not big on it. If you simply said "I'm a callous fark who likes to go out of his way to offend people", we'd at least all be on the same page.

Do you get it now? Oh good. You're cute.

oh, and in the future, keep your quotes in context when you're trying to be honest.
 
2008-09-08 04:22:10 PM
TheNext: very hypocritical, just like both sides.....

...

I don't necessarily agree with the time at which we chose to unilaterally bring a brutal dictator down. I do believe it was the right thing to do, being the wealthiest nation in the world.




Hmmm... I can agree that being the wealthiest nation in the world is the right thing to do... can we start there?
 
2008-09-08 04:22:14 PM
ivan: simian04: MmmVomit: I've got a blind date on September, 11. w00t.

Don't let her walk into the side of a building.

/Boo-ya!


I know a blind prostitute. It's a tough gig. Ya gotta hand it to her...


YES!
 
2008-09-08 04:22:16 PM
lunkerslaire: darwinsmonkey: Just curious... are we going to do this again in three days. I'm tired of reading, just want to know if we can continue then.
Thanks!

By then we should have all of the addresses of the IPs from those pussies out there who keep taking cheap shots from their basements.


Dude, that's a little scary. Do you work for DHS?
 
2008-09-08 04:22:48 PM
mister aj: Samsaran: It will never happen. These people are cowards and would never say any such thing in public. It is interesting to wonder what would happen if one of these guys screwed up and started spouting some of this in a crowed tavern in a working class part of New York.
It's not really fair to call it cowardice when it's simply deciding not to go out and deliberately shout out opinions that would get you beaten up. This decision has no bearing on the validity of those opinions.

For example, I'd be very careful giving my opinions on gay rights anywhere in San Fransisco, or talking about my stance on abortion in any red state. It's simple common sense - right or wrong, there's no point inflaming violent thugs. Yes, if you beat somebody up because they have a Wrong Opinion, you are indeed a violent thug. And no, I don't think NY-ers, queers or pro-life people are generally violent thugs, but it makes sense to assume that at least one person in a public crowd has that potential.


That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.
 
2008-09-08 04:23:17 PM
tweekster: JDAT: What did we do from say 1993 up until then?

We continuously meddled in other nation's affairs, typically less major things but when you already have people pissed at you, they are not going to give you a pass on the small stuff, we were more subtle during the 90's and avoided outright attacks but we didn't exactly attempt to make any friends. We were doing because we felt it was right for our self interest and that is fine. But let's not pretend that no one else will have a problem with our actions. Just remember, every time we back one side over the other, or sell arms to a group, the other side might not feel very happy about it.


O.K. so outside of normal relations there wasn't anything? Look we are not isolationists, and if we were then nations would be pissed at us for being isolationists. And remember this was not an attack by a country. That being said, I really don't think you could rationally look at any action that we have taken and say "there, that is a reasonable cause for killing thousands of innocent Americans." Either way I suppose it's a stupid argument to lok for it rationally. People who fly into buildings aren't all that reasonable to begin with.
 
2008-09-08 04:23:28 PM
So the offensive humor argument again boils down to moral superiority vs intellectual superiority. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you're looking to avoid being offended, perhaps Fark isn't the place for you.

I think the main impetus for the Truthers is the inability to accept the fact that a small group of extremists could plan and execute(though not entirely successfully) such a devastating attack against the most powerful nation on earth. They certainly seem to view US agencies, secret or otherwise, as nearly omniscient and omnipotent.
 
2008-09-08 04:23:57 PM
i33.tinypic.com
 
2008-09-08 04:24:17 PM
Theaetetus: fatgail: I didn't lose anyone personally,

Right, and then you come in here and tell those of us who did how we should grieve.
Welcome to Ignoreville. Population: you.


Oh change your diaper and take a nap already. And ignore me too while you're at it, pussy.
 
2008-09-08 04:24:27 PM
My aunt is a minister and was working in a church just blocks away from the Twin Towers on the morning of 9/11. They used her church as a triage and she helped take care of the injured people to the best of her ability for as long as the first responders would let her (they eventually insisted she leave and get some rest). She can tell you some stories from that morning that would turn your ass white.

And you know what? Even she isn't as "OMG YOU MUST BE RESPECTFUL!!1!" as some of the sniveling whiners in here.
 
2008-09-08 04:25:06 PM
jonnyh: You clearly have no insight into how witnessing the violent deaths of thousands of one's fellow citizens can have a profound effect on someone's psyche.

You have no idea what it's like to experience a jet plane flying directly over your home and then crashing into part of the skyline three blocks away. You simply cannot imagine the shock, the sounds, the horror. My mind still have difficulty comprehending it.

You have no clue what it is like to live with the smell of burning corpses for months. Or seeing crushed vehicles with blood-spatter that came from the driver being crushed by debris. Or seeing those posters for the missing, every day, and watching the ink and hope slowly fade.

You don't know what it is like to see loved ones just losing their shiat in panic and fear, becoming unrecognizable to you and being unable to give them answer to as to what's going on, or why.

Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again. I'll always cringe at the sound of a low-flying plane. I'll never get those sounds out of my head. I'll never be able to watch the documentaries without crying.

So go ahead, cope however the hell you want to, but don't tell me that making such a tragedy into entertainment is somehow a good and right thing.

If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

Then see if any jury convicts me for what I'll do next.

//and learn how to spell, f-tard


You'll get over it.
 
2008-09-08 04:25:31 PM
Hey, Samsaran

would happen if one of these guys screwed up and started spouting some of this in a crowed tavern in a working class part of New York.

I seriously doubt you have ever been to a working class part of town anywhere, but I will leave that alone for now.


The truth is, that here, outside of New York, most of America has gotten along just fine without your Jewish banking center.
 
2008-09-08 04:25:32 PM
jonnyh: You clearly have no insight into how witnessing the violent deaths of thousands of one's fellow citizens can have a profound effect on someone's psyche.

You have no idea what it's like to experience a jet plane flying directly over your home and then crashing into part of the skyline three blocks away. You simply cannot imagine the shock, the sounds, the horror. My mind still have difficulty comprehending it.

You have no clue what it is like to live with the smell of burning corpses for months. Or seeing crushed vehicles with blood-spatter that came from the driver being crushed by debris. Or seeing those posters for the missing, every day, and watching the ink and hope slowly fade.

You don't know what it is like to see loved ones just losing their shiat in panic and fear, becoming unrecognizable to you and being unable to give them answer to as to what's going on, or why.

Sadly, I know all of this and more, and I'll never quite get over it. I'll never be right again. I'll always cringe at the sound of a low-flying plane. I'll never get those sounds out of my head. I'll never be able to watch the documentaries without crying.

So go ahead, cope however the hell you want to, but don't tell me that making such a tragedy into entertainment is somehow a good and right thing.

If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

Then see if any jury convicts me for what I'll do next.

//and learn how to spell, f-tard


b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com

Coach McGuirk: Man that was funny, what happened with Larry. He's messed up.
Anger Management Counsellor: It was a bit upsetting, yeah.
Coach McGuirk: Larry's a mess.
 
2008-09-08 04:25:55 PM
MonkeyAngst: Sullasdog: Yeah. Funny. Assholes.

According to your profile, you've been a Farker since January. How do you not get how this works by now?

Fark is the place where anything can be funny. ANYTHING. This doesn't mean "anything except that horribly tragic thing that changed everyone's life and killed lots of people." It means ANYTHING. This is the way things are here. If there are things that offend you, you WILL encounter them on Fark, and no one will apologize for it. There are places where it's not acceptable to laugh at tragedy. The largest of these is called "real life." If you are offended by the concept, you might want to hang out in one of those places instead of Fark.


Now I get it.. Fark is Comedy Central for comedians who don't have the balls to say this stuff Live, in front of an audience. Thank you for clearing that up.
 
2008-09-08 04:26:06 PM
wylkyn:
I get what you are saying, but to play devil's advocate here, I think gallows humor goes beyond the specific incident and addresses more of the fear of arbitrary death or the chaos of life. Let's face it, the idea that you might go to work one morning to wind up jumping to your death is pretty horrific. It makes the universe seem like a pretty cruel place. Think about it? No thanks. I'd rather make a tasteless joke. Well, not I, actually...but you get what I'm saying. Some people believe in mythology to avoid addressing the unknown. Other people talk loudly to drown out the horrible whispers from the black void. They are both ways of whistling in the dark.



I absolutely, 100% understand gallows humor even though I rarely participate in it. It's just not my bag. I am very sarcastic, and I understand dark, dry, scary wit and it's place. It's when you get called on crossing the line and offending someone and you shoot back "SHUT UP I'M GREIVING" that i get pissed. Some folks on here are so hell bent on being tasteless that it probably startles them to hear someone be honest and say 'you hurt my feelings' or "you're being offensive", so they go on the defense by saying "I posted that Hulk Hogan Twin Towers picture out of grief" I doubt we'll find too many people who lost their mom on 9/11 posting LOLTWINTOWERS as a true grieving mechanism.

So yes, i get what you mean, and I wanted to clarify that it wasn't what I was talking about.
 
2008-09-08 04:26:13 PM
tweekster: JDAT: What did we do from say 1993 up until then?

We continuously meddled in other nation's affairs, typically less major things but when you already have people pissed at you, they are not going to give you a pass on the small stuff, we were more subtle during the 90's and avoided outright attacks but we didn't exactly attempt to make any friends. We were doing because we felt it was right for our self interest and that is fine. But let's not pretend that no one else will have a problem with our actions. Just remember, every time we back one side over the other, or sell arms to a group, the other side might not feel very happy about it.


You mean we may have created many of the monsters we end up fighting?

School of the Americas anyone? Anyone?
 
2008-09-08 04:26:29 PM
trappedspirit: toonz: When responding to a question of Bin laden's whereabouts he basically says "who cares?" I think his reasoning surrounding that in the quote is plausible, in terms of the big picture, but it IS a reversal on his stance to "GET" those responsible.

Did you even read that press conference release? He doesn't basically say "who cares?". He says Laden is on the run, out of a position of power, and not the one and only focus of their effort. I don't like the Bush, but you are interpreting this how you want.


I did read it. I have a response above stating basically, in the grand scheme, it makes sense, BUT considering the actual reason he went into Iraq, he owes the families of the deceased on 9/11 their man.

we've lost 4000 so far just so he could play push-button Inigo Montoya from his Ivory Tower, errr white house and avenge daddy. He owes the families of the 9/11 victims AT LEAST as much, yet he squandered our standing in the world, and went off on his big adventure elsewhere for selfish purposes, pulling troops from Afghanistan, allowing the original criminals we went after to regroup.

So no, I didn't read it the way I wanted to see it. I read it the way it has turned out.

Bin Laden, so what? I got Saddam for daddy!
 
2008-09-08 04:26:32 PM
Johnnyh

The waaambulance. Let me call you it.
 
2008-09-08 04:26:51 PM
TheNext: very hypocritical, just like both sides.....

Can't we all just agree that Saddam should still be torturing his people, plotting to use WMD (and using them too), invading other countries for profit, blatantly disregarding UN mandates, and letting his sons rape women for pleasure?

The UN did nothing about it. The EU didn't have enough backing to do anything about it (the second time).

America did.

I don't necessarily agree with the time at which we chose to unilaterally bring a brutal dictator down. I do believe it was the right thing to do, being the wealthiest nation in the world.

/back to your regularly schedulding bush bashing and talk of oil oil oil (which is also quite important, I might add)


Unlike Kim Jong Il, Ahmeninejad, Mugabe, Musharraf, Hu Jintao, and the 30 other dictators doing the exact same thing in much more public fashion? No, they didn't deserve it

Nah. Keep on drinking that Kool-aid! Keep on forgetting that the US invaded a country that was not imposing a direct threat to America OR it's allies.

Although I agree that sanctions against the Iraqi's were unfair and horrible, deposing a leader without even trying diplomatic means is a horrible way to impose democracy on a country and region not yet ready for it.

Although our intentions were great, remember how the US got started... We CHOSE democracy by overthrowing a leader we thought to be tyrannical. Now, we couldn't have done it without some help, but we did the majority of the work.

Iraq needs to choose it too. If they're not ready for it, they won't be able to keep it alive.

/I hope it works for them, but I have some grave doubts.
 
2008-09-08 04:26:52 PM
lunkerslaire:
That is the best point all day - say what you want! However when you do eventually get your ass kicked up and down the street for pissing off someone who was hurt from 9/11 don't come crawling back here whining and crying like a little biatch.

ooi, would you have the same attitude towards somebody who got their ass handed to them by a fundy in a bar, just because they espoused the PoV that abortion should be legal or isn't a sin?

In civilised countries, it's not acceptable to inflict violence on another just because they have a different opinion, though we sometimes tolerate this kind of thing in the playground. I'm not so sure that America is a civilised country, despite the alleged love of free speech.
 
2008-09-08 04:26:55 PM
jonnyh: If you, or any of the other shiatheads that think it cute to make entertainment out of 9/11 really feel that way, please come to NYC and tell me some tasteless jokes in person. Show me your stupid photoshops and cartoons.

Then see if any jury convicts me for what I'll do next.


No more 9/11 threads for you, mister!
 
2008-09-08 04:27:05 PM
9/11 was one of those events where i will always remember incredibly clearly what i was doing when it happened (i think that's barely grammatically correct) kind of like the kennedy assassination for old people.

i'm from the midwest, where of course there isn't a building tall enough for a plane to crash into without landing first, but was at virginia tech at the time. the people there were much more frantic than i was.

still, i think that it's to the point where we can talk a little lightly of it, because no one who's making the jokes seriously believes that king kong would have saved us, or that Hulk mutherfarking Hogan could do that with a chair, not in 01, maybe in the 80's when he was in his prime, but by y2k he was way too washed up for something like BOTH towers
 
2008-09-08 04:27:21 PM
Samsaran

I would pay to see it ... I really would.

You're agreeing with someone that wishes harm / death upon anyone that doesn't think / feel / grieve exactly the right way.

Good work, I knew I was onto something when I figured you for an asshat near the top of this thread.

I could wish harm on you. But that would make me a sick fark for wishing harm on another person simply because I disagree with them. Which is why I don't play the Internet Tough Guy, it's just bad karma and it's not a healthy mental state to be in.

/so many Internet Tough Guys around here
 
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