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2008-09-07 08:24:50 PM
Where's the obvious tag?
 
2008-09-07 08:30:13 PM
mycathatesyou: I suppose men could do a better job?

Yes. The answer is always yes.

Now be love and go grab me a beer.

*smacks mycathatesyou on the ass*
 
2008-09-07 08:33:28 PM
Although I think babysitters and parents and others in charge of kids need to pay attention to the wee ones, I have to say I find the presence of children to be tedious and annoying after about 15 minutes and would therefore probably seek some adult conversation as well.
 
2008-09-07 08:34:03 PM
Froman: Falcc:

Well, in their defense, it's hard to feel good about somebody that saves the lives of a bunch of ungrateful assholes.

I like that circular logic.


The whole text-messaging fad just pisses me off in general. People are so tuned out to the world around them. At least if they were gabbing to other parents or babysitters in the park they would be expanding their social circle a bit and might even learn something new. Your friends will not leave you just because you aren't constantly texting them at every opportunity.


I WISH there were other parents or babysitters at the park my son goes to. It's always just the 2 of us there. I only see other parents there early in the day (while my son is at school) never in the early evening when we go.

/posting from my Blackberry, so I'm getting a kick, etc
 
2008-09-07 08:40:58 PM
naveline: pxlboy: bring on the child hate!

"Yon twat turds, crotch fruit, womb trophies, precious snowflakes and wee bairns offendeth mine eyes, ruineth the taut bellies of young slatterns, maketh visits to yon royal Chili's less than relaxing and causeth fine bosoms of the kingdom to become both saggish and foully milkened. Ban them at once!" (claps)


You left out "pussy vomit"
 
2008-09-07 08:44:37 PM
Oh yes.. Our dear kids need constant supervision and babying.. that way, they feel comforted and are ready for the real world.. especially when they get into high school, and find out what it's like to not be the center of attention all the time.

Better yet.. when they get turned down for a job and off themselves because of this cruel cruel world that wouldn't be cruel if parent's attended to every whimper of their brood...

OH NO.. Little Stacy is on the swing while mommie is on her... wait for it... CELLULAR TELEPHONE... CALL THE BABY POLICE... STAT... give that child to a caring parent who cuddles 24/7...

grow up.. why do you think kids want to rebel when they get older.. they realize, and get tired of, the constant nagging and babying.. there's a middle ground.. sit on it..

and no.. I DRTFA.. the posts told me enough...

g'night.. I'm calling my mom to cuddle me so I won't be depressed, and to make sure I take my Ritalin.
 
2008-09-07 09:04:58 PM
MagTour: Oh yes.. Our dear kids need constant supervision and babying.. that way, they feel comforted and are ready for the real world.. especially when they get into high school, and find out what it's like to not be the center of attention all the time.

Better yet.. when they get turned down for a job and off themselves because of this cruel cruel world that wouldn't be cruel if parent's attended to every whimper of their brood...

OH NO.. Little Stacy is on the swing while mommie is on her... wait for it... CELLULAR TELEPHONE... CALL THE BABY POLICE... STAT... give that child to a caring parent who cuddles 24/7...

grow up.. why do you think kids want to rebel when they get older.. they realize, and get tired of, the constant nagging and babying.. there's a middle ground.. sit on it..

and no.. I DRTFA.. the posts told me enough...

g'night.. I'm calling my mom to cuddle me so I won't be depressed, and to make sure I take my Ritalin.


Tell her I said hi.
 
2008-09-07 09:05:49 PM
MagTour: Oh yes.. Our dear kids need constant supervision and babying.. that way, they feel comforted and are ready for the real world.. especially when they get into high school, and find out what it's like to not be the center of attention all the time.

Better yet.. when they get turned down for a job and off themselves because of this cruel cruel world that wouldn't be cruel if parent's attended to every whimper of their brood...

OH NO.. Little Stacy is on the swing while mommie is on her... wait for it... CELLULAR TELEPHONE... CALL THE BABY POLICE... STAT... give that child to a caring parent who cuddles 24/7...

grow up.. why do you think kids want to rebel when they get older.. they realize, and get tired of, the constant nagging and babying.. there's a middle ground.. sit on it..

and no.. I DRTFA.. the posts told me enough...

g'night.. I'm calling my mom to cuddle me so I won't be depressed, and to make sure I take my Ritalin.


Fine, you were never loved as a child, but Fark's not your personal therapy session.
 
2008-09-07 09:06:52 PM
Poppa Boner:
Tell her I said hi.


I like your response better.
 
2008-09-07 09:09:48 PM
No.. If it's constant control over everything that annoys you in life.. then move to a place that fixes that..

If you're tired of being the only parent in a park full of kids.. go to another park.. the same goes with anything. You go to a restaurant that you don't like.. you don't keep going there, do you???

If you feel it is your duty to control everyone, and not let individuality free, then there are places to make you happy. Apparently this isn't one of them.. You won't be missed.
 
2008-09-07 09:10:56 PM
1. Put snakes on plane: Poppa Boner:
Tell her I said hi.

I like your response better.


Now model yourself after that.. so you won't annoy anyone.
 
2008-09-07 09:11:10 PM
brigid_fitch: Poppa Boner: I'm too creepy looking to get away with that shiat otherwise I would do it all the time.

LOL--my husband tells me he has the same problem. He did use it to his advantage once. We were on a flight to Vegas & this little girl was running up & down the aisle, hitting anyone's arm that was on an armrest. After 4 passes and with no help from Mom, husband called the flight attendant over. Husband asked flight attendant to please control the child because as long as she was out of her seat, he was technically in violation of his parole.

That kid never left her seat again.


That, is comedy gold.
 
2008-09-07 09:11:27 PM
MagTour: .. there's a middle ground.. sit on it..


Yeah - when you're with the kid, give them your attention. When they go off on their own to play for a while or do whatever, that's when you text and chat. This isn't rocket science, folks.

Now here's a hint. Starting at about 4 years old, kids can do chores around the house. Get a chair for them to stand on and they can do the dishes, modern vacuum cleaners have adjustable handles for short people, modern washing machines are easy to operate, they love to drive the riding lawnmower, etc. The busier you can keep the little rugrats and the more work you can get them to do, the more time you have to yourself for texting, talking to your friends and keeping track of your soap operas. You should still be mindful of their needs, however. Remember to pick your feet up when they are vacuuming around your chair, buy them small snow shovels so they can lift them - that sort of thing. You don't want them growing up angry and resentful, now, do you?
 
2008-09-07 09:13:00 PM
MagTour: No.. If it's a lack ofconstant control over everything that annoys you in life.. then move to a place that fixes that..

ftfm
 
2008-09-07 09:14:18 PM
Mr. Right: MagTour: .. there's a middle ground.. sit on it..


Yeah - when you're with the kid, give them your attention. When they go off on their own to play for a while or do whatever, that's when you text and chat. This isn't rocket science, folks.

Now here's a hint. Starting at about 4 years old, kids can do chores around the house. Get a chair for them to stand on and they can do the dishes, modern vacuum cleaners have adjustable handles for short people, modern washing machines are easy to operate, they love to drive the riding lawnmower, etc. The busier you can keep the little rugrats and the more work you can get them to do, the more time you have to yourself for texting, talking to your friends and keeping track of your soap operas. You should still be mindful of their needs, however. Remember to pick your feet up when they are vacuuming around your chair, buy them small snow shovels so they can lift them - that sort of thing. You don't want them growing up angry and resentful, now, do you?


Middle ground is apparently a new idea for you
 
2008-09-07 09:22:19 PM
MagTour:
Middle ground is apparently a new idea for you


What are you talking about? I give them their space but I pay attention to them. How else will I be able to yell at tell them when they don't get the lasagna pan clean? But I never beat them. Hard.
 
2008-09-07 09:26:54 PM
MagTour: 1. Put snakes on plane: Poppa Boner:
Tell her I said hi.

I like your response better.

Now model yourself after that.. so you won't annoy anyone.


Hey! I'm annoying!!

*FARTS*

*grins*
 
2008-09-07 09:27:51 PM
Mr. Right: MagTour:
Middle ground is apparently a new idea for you

What are you talking about? I give them their space but I pay attention to them. How else will I be able to yell at tell them when they don't get the lasagna pan clean? But I never beat them. Hard.


Well.. Lasagna pans are hard to clean.. I have to give them that.. however.. it apparently needs to be hand washed before placing it in the dishwasher..

Go out back and pick out your switch.
 
2008-09-07 09:29:10 PM
Poppa Boner: MagTour: 1. Put snakes on plane: Poppa Boner:
Tell her I said hi.

I like your response better.

Now model yourself after that.. so you won't annoy anyone.

Hey! I'm annoying!!

*FARTS*

*grins*


You can do better than that.. Farts are viewed as adolescent comedic gold.. not annoyance.
 
2008-09-07 09:30:17 PM
AmazingRuss: Single White Male: Don't worry. This problem will solve itself eventually.

Don't be so sure. All they have to do is survive to breeding age, and I've read kids are getting fertile younger. We are up to our armpits in morons in 2008.


ftfy
 
2008-09-07 09:35:55 PM
MagTour: Poppa Boner: MagTour: 1. Put snakes on plane: Poppa Boner:
Tell her I said hi.

I like your response better.

Now model yourself after that.. so you won't annoy anyone.

Hey! I'm annoying!!

*FARTS*

*grins*

You can do better than that.. Farts are viewed as adolescent comedic gold.. not annoyance.


Ah, I guess your monitor is not equipped with "Smell'o'Vision". Trust me, that was annoying.

Let's try this then...

i21.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-07 09:37:12 PM
OMG!!!

I'm afraid to even ask..

Sorry you had to witness it.. but I'm even sorrier you felt the need to share it..
 
2008-09-07 09:44:43 PM
MagTour:

Well.. Lasagna pans are hard to clean.. I have to give them that.. however.. it apparently needs to be hand washed before placing it in the dishwasher..

Go out back and pick out your switch.


Apparently you're a lot meaner than I. I have a no-stick lasagna pan so it's not hard to clean. I do have them wash all the dishes by hand because I don't want to wear out the dishwasher. It needs to be operable when they grow up and move out. We use the dishwasher when we have company so the nosy bastards don't get the idea I abuse my kids.

And I don't use a switch - they leave welts and then Social Services gets all up in your face. Fly swatter.

The problem is that this isn't made up. This was my mother. If we complained about the work she said, from a very early age, "Why do you think I had you." As a teenager I escaped to live with my grandparents who were nothing like her. As a dad, I wanted to be just like my grandfather and I wanted the mother of my children to be just like my grandmother. Came close, still working to improve with the grandkids. Kids love me - even other peoples' kids. My mother, OTOH, hasn't spoken to me in 20 years. I'm happy with that.
 
2008-09-07 09:52:09 PM
MagTour: OMG!!!

I'm afraid to even ask..

Sorry you had to witness it.. but I'm even sorrier you felt the need to share it..


I'm the one on the right.

How YOU doin'?
 
2008-09-07 09:52:51 PM
Madame Ovary: Yeah, it is a wonder I survived my childhood on the farm. Mom would turn us out of the house in the morning. Meal time we checked in with her. We were taught to stay out of trouble and help each other out.

Maybe it is just city kids that don't have the smarts to survive with mommy's constant attention.


i35.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-07 09:55:27 PM
Mr. Right:

And I don't use a switch - they leave welts and then Social Services gets all up in your face. Fly swatter.

The problem is that this isn't made up. This was my mother. If we complained about the work she said, from a very early age, "Why do you think I had you." As a teenager I escaped to live with my grandparents who were nothing like her. As a dad, I wanted to be just like my grandfather and I wanted the mother of my children to be just like my grandmother. Came close, still working to improve with the grandkids. Kids love me - even other peoples' kids. My mother, OTOH, hasn't spoken to me in 20 years. I'm happy with that.


Yeah, yeah.. Phone book, rubber hose, fly swatter.. everyone has their "thing".. my point wasn't to drag out your past.. the past is the past, if it's buried, leave it be. That's how I look at things..

However, my meaning was more on the side of people overgeneralizing. Just because you see someone doing something, doesn't mean that's what they do all the time. Over-generalization is very popular, but it is usually false for the majority. The way I see it, is the only time people can prove their overgeneralizationing (like the way I make up shiat?) is by picking on the few that might be having a bad day, an overly good day, speaking to a friend they haven't talked to in months - or years-.. anyway.. I hope you get the point. If not, it's just that by witnessing someone doing something you don't agree with, doesn't mean it's their intention or their usual means of business. If it happened to BE their means of business.. well it's just that.. THEIR BUSINESS..
 
2008-09-07 09:56:11 PM
Poppa Boner: MagTour: OMG!!!

I'm afraid to even ask..

Sorry you had to witness it.. but I'm even sorrier you felt the need to share it..

I'm the one on the right.

How YOU doin'?


At least you have underpants on.. And yes, I looked close enough..

/sigh
 
2008-09-07 10:01:00 PM
MagTour: Poppa Boner: MagTour: OMG!!!

I'm afraid to even ask..

Sorry you had to witness it.. but I'm even sorrier you felt the need to share it..

I'm the one on the right.

How YOU doin'?

At least you have underpants on.. And yes, I looked close enough..

/sigh


Ha ha. I win.
 
2008-09-07 10:03:08 PM
Yeah, because "moms" and "babysitters" on the phone are a bigger problem than absentee fathers.

Okey doke.
 
2008-09-07 10:04:36 PM
Poppa Boner: MagTour: Poppa Boner: MagTour: OMG!!!

I'm afraid to even ask..

Sorry you had to witness it.. but I'm even sorrier you felt the need to share it..

I'm the one on the right.

How YOU doin'?

At least you have underpants on.. And yes, I looked close enough..

/sigh

Ha ha. I win.


How about this?..

If you're the one on the right.. (as looking at the picture).. do you really hate when people say Midget or Dwarf.. Little Person would piss me off.. might as well say, Big Spirited..

Honestly though.. I use midget.. I also say "retarded".. but come on..

I'm not saying midgets are retarded.. that didn't go right, and I'm too lazy to fix that.. but not lazy enough to type the explanation out.. go figure.
 
2008-09-07 10:12:25 PM
MagTour: Poppa Boner: MagTour: Poppa Boner: MagTour: OMG!!!

I'm afraid to even ask..

Sorry you had to witness it.. but I'm even sorrier you felt the need to share it..

I'm the one on the right.

How YOU doin'?

At least you have underpants on.. And yes, I looked close enough..

/sigh

Ha ha. I win.

How about this?..

If you're the one on the right.. (as looking at the picture).. do you really hate when people say Midget or Dwarf.. Little Person would piss me off.. might as well say, Big Spirited..

Honestly though.. I use midget.. I also say "retarded".. but come on..

I'm not saying midgets are retarded.. that didn't go right, and I'm too lazy to fix that.. but not lazy enough to type the explanation out.. go figure.



Wow. I'm getting a lot of use out of this one today. ;P


i21.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-07 10:14:26 PM
Now that's just kinky hot..

Nothing I'd expect from Idget the Midget..

if that wasn't annoying, or worth pissing you off.. I don't know what is.. Well, maybe I do..

If, whatever that picture of you was from, was annoying.. why did you partake in it in the first place?
 
2008-09-07 10:23:17 PM
MagTour: Now that's just kinky hot..

Nothing I'd expect from Idget the Midget..

if that wasn't annoying, or worth pissing you off.. I don't know what is.. Well, maybe I do..

If, whatever that picture of you was from, was annoying.. why did you partake in it in the first place?


Sorry I was just joshing. Here is an actually pic of me doing my thing.

My thing, as in being sexy!

i54.photobucket.com
 
2008-09-07 10:26:09 PM
Ok.. it's a picture representing you doing your thing...

An overweight midget posing like that could make you some money. Kind of on the lines of that really midgety midget, Troy Verner.
 
2008-09-07 10:27:18 PM
MagTour:

I got your point. My past is done and I poke fun of it. But I still tell kids about how I had to walk ten miles to school, uphill both ways, barefoot through snow up to our waist - AND WE HAD TO MAKE OUR OWN SNOW!!!!! And we were happy to do it! all that crap.

I believe that you pay attention to your kids and you also ignore them sometimes. And you're right - if a long lost friend calls while you're pushing the kid on the swing, you push one-handed for a while. Live with it, kid. It's very important for kids to feel loved and feel important but there's a huge difference between that and making them believe they are the center of the universe. So, as you point out, if you see something going on that you may or may not like, there's a pretty good chance that you actually don't know what the heck is going on and what you see is most certainly not the whole story. I tend to be pretty tolerant of kids and try to view what's going on between them and their parents with a very open mind. I do, however, have a pretty short fuse when there is actual abuse.

One reason for my tolerance, though, is an experience I had. One of my kids started school and she perpetually had bruises on her legs, especially from the knees down. Problem was that she was double jointed all over and ran like a windmill in a hurricane with half the screws loose. But the teacher was apparently concerned and I got the "guilty until proven innocent" visit from CPS. The daughter was playing in the back yard so I took social worker out to the back porch, called my daughter over and just watched her run, all excited to come to me but every step on the verge of disaster. I lucked out and had an intelligent social worker. She could immediately see the cause of the bruises. While the accusation infuriated me, I could certainly understand why the teacher had filed it. I remember that incident when I see something that, at first glance, looks wrong.
 
2008-09-07 10:36:05 PM
brigid_fitch: Poppa Boner: I'm too creepy looking to get away with that shiat otherwise I would do it all the time.

LOL--my husband tells me he has the same problem. He did use it to his advantage once. We were on a flight to Vegas & this little girl was running up & down the aisle, hitting anyone's arm that was on an armrest. After 4 passes and with no help from Mom, husband called the flight attendant over. Husband asked flight attendant to please control the child because as long as she was out of her seat, he was technically in violation of his parole.

That kid never left her seat again.


Dammit... now I suddenly wish I could magically transform myself into a guy just so I could use that fantastic line. Good show!
 
2008-09-07 10:40:55 PM
Mr. Right:

That's understandable, and teachers are NOW under this, supposed, realm of causablitly if further damage comes about one of their students. I applaud your acceptance of what I was saying with understanding of my meaning. (I hope that last sentence made sense.)

It's exactly what I was trying to portray, but in more harsh terminology. You have inside scoop to what it's like to have people muddle in your business, and have lived (from what you say) the opposite.

It's good to see you were able to grow away from your mother's adjustment to having children, and trying to be like someone you idolized.

I, too, have a grandparent I try to model myself from. I have also come to the realization that I will never be like that grandparent, but having that kind of image in front of me will help guide me.

Thanks again for your input and understanding. I was really expecting some nasty snark, and at first did.. But turned it around a little, in my mind anyway.
 
2008-09-07 10:45:06 PM
 
2008-09-07 10:47:29 PM
Poppa Boner: MagTour:

not really.. It just put me into a Gran Mal Seizure..

but I'll let you call me Seizure Boy.. I won't care.. Just like an autistic person won't care if I called them Drooly Man.
 
2008-09-07 10:52:03 PM
Now that my daughter is in bed, I can finally respond to this.

How hard is it to talk to your children? From the time I get home from work until the time the baby goes to bed, she has my attention. We play. We read books. We go outside. I give her a bath. And when she goes to bed, I check my phone and get on the computer.

Kids are not property to be used and put away at a parent's convenience. They are separate people who are always on; while it's true that they need to learn to wait sometimes, they also need to know that Mom and Dad really do care about them and will help them out if they really need it.

/on top of that, they're quick
//my little one would be on the kitchen counter before I finished dialing a number if I didn't watch her
 
2008-09-07 11:02:39 PM
girljen: Now that my daughter is in bed, I can finally respond to this.

How hard is it to talk to your children? From the time I get home from work until the time the baby goes to bed, she has my attention. We play. We read books. We go outside. I give her a bath. And when she goes to bed, I check my phone and get on the computer.

Kids are not property to be used and put away at a parent's convenience. They are separate people who are always on; while it's true that they need to learn to wait sometimes, they also need to know that Mom and Dad really do care about them and will help them out if they really need it.

/on top of that, they're quick
//my little one would be on the kitchen counter before I finished dialing a number if I didn't watch her


I don't know how old your child is, but if you told her to play in her room, would you watch her every move? If she cried because she bumped her knee.. Would you console her until she quit fussing? If she wanted a Twinkie, would you hold out until she fussed harder, and at the grocery store, would you give in to her every desire so you wouldn't feel like a bad parent if she cried? (I understand that what I just said could be very exaggerated).. still, it has a lot to do with perception, but that's what this whole thing is about... PERCEPTION
 
2008-09-07 11:04:19 PM
MagTour: Poppa Boner: MagTour:

not really.. It just put me into a Gran Mal Seizure..

but I'll let you call me Seizure Boy.. I won't care.. Just like an autistic person won't care if I called them Drooly Man.


Can I call you Maurice?
 
2008-09-07 11:07:27 PM
Some people call me gangster of love
 
2008-09-07 11:10:27 PM
Sometimes house apes just need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them. Mine was kinda mad at me because I wouldn't pick her up while I was cooking dinner (frying hot sausage that was splattering everything in a 5 foot radius). She got over it though.

/I got kinda splattered though.
//Oh well, dinner was tasty
///My house ape thought so too...she ate 2 helpings and finished her older sister's sausage as well.
 
2008-09-07 11:12:25 PM
MagTour: Some people call me gangster of love

But are you a smoker...a joker...a midnight toker?

/Playin your music in the sun?
 
2008-09-07 11:17:59 PM
MagTour: Some people call me gangster of love

oldsbone: MagTour: Some people call me gangster of love

But are you a smoker...a joker...a midnight toker?

/Playin your music in the sun?


Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh!

/LOLZ
//you're both going to wake up with that song in your head
///me too probably
 
2008-09-07 11:35:10 PM
They had this thing back when I was a kid called a CB radio. My parents had a base station in the house.

Parents will always find a way to ignore their kids.

After sunspots knocked out the CB thing (or so my parents tell me... sunspots? really?), we got an Atari. Mom pretty much monopolized the Atari and ended up being the first person I ever heard of to get carpal tunnel syndrome (playing Megamania). That was probably the very early 80's.

Then it was Nintendo and Zelda.

(My husband says I was raised in a bubble of benevolent neglect. )
 
2008-09-07 11:44:33 PM
MagTour: I don't know how old your child is, but if you told her to play in her room, would you watch her every move? If she cried because she bumped her knee.. Would you console her until she quit fussing? If she wanted a Twinkie, would you hold out until she fussed harder, and at the grocery store, would you give in to her every desire so you wouldn't feel like a bad parent if she cried? (I understand that what I just said could be very exaggerated).. still, it has a lot to do with perception, but that's what this whole thing is about... PERCEPTION

She is 16 months old...old enough to get hurt, but too young to understand why. So if I told her to play in her room, I'd watch her. If she bumped her knee, I'd kiss it and set her to playing again.

And when she throws tantrums in the store, we leave. I've left a few full shopping carts of groceries in the store. Liz needs to know that tantrums do not result in rewards. They result in going home for a nap.
 
2008-09-07 11:54:49 PM
I helped raise my ex's two year old when I was very young (she was a teenage mother. When I was alone with the kid she very rarely fussed. I didn't ignore her in general but if she was throwing a temper tantrum (in our home) I would. After a little while she was quite well behaved. At least when Mommy wasn't home. I swear as soon as she walked through the door the kid would go completely loco and of course immediately the ex would pick her up and start coddling her. Then it would be hell until we went to bed.

/will never have children after that trainwreck
 
2008-09-07 11:56:27 PM
girljen: And when she throws tantrums in the store, we leave. I've left a few full shopping carts of groceries in the store. Liz needs to know that tantrums do not result in rewards. They result in going home for a nap.

Good call. I've done this, but not to the extent that it creates more work for store employees... I've left a shopping cart near the checkout with instructions that I'd be back in a few moments, then I've taken The Babe out for a time-out, then made her return shame-facedly to apologize.

[threadjack]
That being said, please stop calling her Liz. If her name is Elizabeth, acknowledge that it's the most beautiful name in all the world and "Liz" is the lazy way out.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth
[end threadjack]
 
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